Which Org is #2 Bellator or Strikeforce

[Crunchie]

Was just thinking after the StrikeForce event what organization do you think is #2 now.

Strikeforce has some good fighters, but with them soon getting rid of the HW division they are down to, LHW,MW,WW,LW and Womens 135.
Their cards are usually solid, but are few and far between.

Bellator consistently puts on events, holds tournies and has a pretty big stable of fighters representing every weight category except FLY. Their woman's division is somewhat scattered, mostly concentrating on the 115lb div with the odd 125lb fight.


I didnt include OneFC - they are slowly building a nice roster, just not there yet.

[kurleedaddee]

Good question. Strikeforce is UFC's farm team. But Bellator has a lot of talent as well. I guess you have to look at each weight division in each and match them up against the UFC fighters in their same division.

Lightweight:
Strikeforce - Gilbert Melendez vs Bellator - Michael Chandler vs UFC - Ben Henderson

Welterweight
Strikeforce - Nate Marquardt vs Bellator - Ben Askren vs - UFC GSP

Middleweight
Strikeforce - Luke Rockhold vs Bellator - Vacant vs UFC - Anderson Silva

Light Heavyweight
Strikeforce - Vacant vs Bellator - Christian M'Pumbu vs UFC - Jon Jones

Heavyweight
Strikeforce - Daniel Cormier vs Bellator - Cole Konrad vs UFC - Junior Dos Santos

Nothing pops out at me to tell me which one is better. I am just glad we have other options other than UFC.

[Crunchie]

Good question. Strikeforce is UFC's farm team. But Bellator has a lot of talent as well. I guess you have to look at each weight division in each and match them up against the UFC fighters in their same division.

Lightweight:
Strikeforce - Gilbert Melendez vs Bellator - Michael Chandler vs UFC - Ben Henderson

Welterweight
Strikeforce - Nate Marquardt vs Bellator - Ben Askren vs - UFC GSP

Middleweight
Strikeforce - Luke Rockhold vs Bellator - Vacant vs UFC - Anderson Silva

Light Heavyweight
Strikeforce - Vacant vs Bellator - Christian M'Pumbu vs UFC - Jon Jones

Heavyweight
Strikeforce - Daniel Cormier vs Bellator - Cole Konrad vs UFC - Junior Dos Santos

Nothing pops out at me to tell me which one is better. I am just glad we have other options other than UFC.

Good job

[cam]

i choose one fc

[Revo]

Good question. Strikeforce is UFC's farm team. But Bellator has a lot of talent as well. I guess you have to look at each weight division in each and match them up against the UFC fighters in their same division.

Lightweight:
Strikeforce - Gilbert Melendez vs Bellator - Michael Chandler vs UFC - Ben Henderson

Welterweight
Strikeforce - Nate Marquardt vs Bellator - Ben Askren vs - UFC GSP

Middleweight
Strikeforce - Luke Rockhold vs Bellator - Vacant vs UFC - Anderson Silva

Light Heavyweight
Strikeforce - Vacant vs Bellator - Christian M'Pumbu vs UFC - Jon Jones

Heavyweight
Strikeforce - Daniel Cormier vs Bellator - Cole Konrad vs UFC - Junior Dos Santos

Nothing pops out at me to tell me which one is better. I am just glad we have other options other than UFC.

You only mentioned the champions of each organization, which is hardly indicative of what organization is better. When you said, "nothing pops out at me" where you referring to just Strikeforce and Bellator or where you also including the UFC?

[Crunchie]

i choose one fc

WAR!!

[Crunchie]

You only mentioned the champions of each organization, which is hardly indicative of what organization is better. When you said, "nothing pops out at me" where you referring to just Strikeforce and Bellator or where you also including the UFC?

Yeah looking at the champs is one thing, but the depth of each roster is another.
Bellator has more fighters. But is it necessarily better?

[Crunchie]

SF HW
Daniel Cormier 10-0-0
Josh Barnett 31-6-0

BFC HW
Cole Konrad (C) 9–0
Zak Jensen 10–9
Alexei Kudin 14–4
Neil Grove 11–6–1
Kevin Asplund 15–2
Brett Rogers 12–4 (1 NC)
Abe Wagner 10–6
Mark Holata 12–3
Thiago Santos 10–1 (1 NC)
Eric Prindle 7–2 (1 NC)
Hae Joon Yang 7–3
Mark Godbeer 8–1
Ruslan Magomedov 8–1
Ron Sparks 8–1
Vitaly Minakov 8–0
Ryan Martinez 7–1
Blagoi Ivanov 6–0 (1 NC)
Vinicius Queiroz 5–2

[Crunchie]

SF LHW
Mike Kyle 19–8–1 (2 NC)
Rafael Cavalcante 11–3 (1)
Ovince St. Preux 11–5
Gegard Mousasi 32–3–2
Gian Villante 10–3
Trevor Smith 10–2
Virgil Zwicker 10–3
TJ Cook 12–4
Derrick Mehmen 12–5
Carlos Inocente 6–0
Joe Cason 8–1
Roy Jones 6–3
Lionel Lanham 5–1
Marcos Rogerio de Lima 9–2
Yoel Romero 4–1

BFC LHW
Christian M'Pumbu (C) 18–4–1
Travis Wiuff 67–14 (1 NC)
Attila Vegh 26–4–2
Emanuel Newton 18–6–1
Richard Hale 19–4–1
Zelg Galesic 11–7
Martin Desilets 11–3 (1 NC)
Raphael Davis 12–2
Chris Davis 10–4
Josh Burns 6–6
Roy Boughton 8–3
Tim Carpenter 9–1
Muhammed Lawal 8–1 (1 NC)
Beau Tribolet 7–2
Anthony Gomez 5–2
Phelipe Lins 5–0
Matt Van Buren 5–0

[kurleedaddee]

You only mentioned the champions of each organization, which is hardly indicative of what organization is better. When you said, "nothing pops out at me" where you referring to just Strikeforce and Bellator or where you also including the UFC?

Good observation. The original question was who is # 2. Bellator or Strikeforce. I just paired champs to champs. I didn't go in to depth. There are so many different ways of looking at it to say who is # 2. And I guess it really doesn't matter who is #2.

"Nothing pops out at me" means that I can't distinguish between Bellator fighters and Strikeforce fighters and who has the better fighters as a whole organization. So yes, I didn't answer the question because in my opinion both orgs have great fighters in all weight classes. I am just happy we have other orgs we can watch besides the UFC. Makes things interesting.

[Crunchie]

SF MW
Luke Rockhold (C) 10–1
Robbie Lawler 19–9 (1 NC)
Tim Kennedy 14–4
Ronaldo Souza 15–3 (1 NC)
Lorenz Larkin 13–0 (1 NC)
Roger Gracie 5–1
Antwain Britt 11–6
Derek Brunson 9–1
Adlan Amagov 9–2–1
Lumumba Sayers 6–2
Keith Jardine 17–11–2
Yancy Medeiros 9–0
Nate James 13–8–1
Anthony Smith 15–8
Keith Berry 11–9
Benji Radach 21–6 (1 NC)
Bristol Marunde 12–7
Danillo Villefort 13–4

BFC MW
Alexander Shlemenko 45–7
Maiquel Falcao 31–4 (1 NC)
Brett Cooper 16–7
Giva Santana 17–2
Vyacheslav Vasilevsky 17–2
Vitor Vianna 12–3–1
Cory MacDonald 12–2
Norman Paraisy 10–2–1 (1 NC)
Bruno Santos 13–0
Brian Rogers 9–4
Jonas Billstein 10–2
Dan Cramer 8–3
Trey Houston 10–0
Andreas Spang 8–2
Mikkel Parlo 7–0
Duane Bastress 5–2
Jack Hermansson 5–0
Kelvin Tiller 4–1

[Crunchie]

SF WW
Nate Marquardt (C) 32–10–2
Tyron Woodley 10–1
Scott Smith 17–10 (1 NC)
Roger Bowling 11–2
Tarec Saffiedine 12–3
Bobby Voelker 24–8
Nah-Shon Burrell 8–2
Quinn Mulhern 18–2
Nate Moore 8–3
Evangelista Santos 18–15
Jason High 16–3
Jordan Mein 25–8
Chris Spang 5–1
Tyler Stinson 23–9
Kazuo Misaki 25–11–2 (1 NC)
Mike Bronzoulis 13–5–1
Brian Melancon 6–2
Eduardo Pamplona 15–3
Ricky Legere 14–4
Yuri Villefort 6–1
Ryan LaFlare 6–0

BFC WW
Ben Askren (C) 10–0
Carlos Alexandre Pereira 34–11–1
Paul Daley 29–12–2
Jose de Machado Gomes 33–8–1
Jim Wallhead 23–6
Douglas Lima 21–5
Marius Zaromskis 17–6 (1 NC)
Ryan Ford 18–4
Bryan Baker 18–3
Jordan Smith 17–3–1
Karl Amoussou 15–4–2
Waachiim Spiritwolf 9–10–1 (1 NC)
Ben Saunders 13–5–2
War Machine 12–4
Michael Costa 10–5–1
Lyman Good 12–2
Chris Lozano 10–3
Nathan Gunn 9–3
Tim Welch 9–3
David Rickels 10–1
Andrey Koreshkov 10–0
Raul Amaya 9–1
Alberto Mina 9–0
Nordine Taleb 8–1
Marcus Aurelio 6–1
Giedrius Karavackas 6–1
Cristiano Souza 5–0

[Narbegesicht]

i think entertainment and match making have a lot to do with ranking #2, bellator consistently puts on great shows

[Crunchie]

SF LW
Gilbert Melendez (C) 21–2
Josh Thomson 19–5 (1 NC)
Billy Evangelista 11–2 (1 NC)
James Terry 11–5
Justin Wilcox 11–5 (1 NC)
Pat Healy 28–16
Ryan Couture 5–1
Caros Fodor 7–2
Jorge Masvidal 23–7
KJ Noons 11–5
Jorge Gurgel 14–8
Matt Ricehouse 6–0
Bobby Green 18–5
Gesias Cavalcante 16–6–1 (2 NC)
Conor Heun 9–5
Joe Duarte 10–3
Isaac Vallie-Flagg 13–3–1
Estevan Payan 13–3 (1 NC)
Mizuto Hirota 14–5–1
Chad Leonhardt 9–3

BFC LW
Michael Chandler (C) 10–0
Brent Weedman 20–8–1
Ferrid Kheder 18–10 (1 NC)
Rob McCullough 19–8
Eddie Alvarez 23–3
J.J. Ambrose 17–4 (1 NC)
Alexander Sarnavskiy 20–0
Dave Jansen 17–2
Ricardo Tirloni 14–2
Rick Hawn Genghis 14–1
Magomed Saadulaev 14–1
Marcin Held 13–2
Lloyd Woodard 12–2
Patricky Freire 10–3
Thiago Michel 10–3
Renê Nazare 10–2
Guillaume DeLorenzi 9–1
Patrick Cenoble 8–1
E.J. Brooks 7–0
Lorawnt-T Nelson 4–1
Cosmo Alexandre 2–1

[Crunchie]

i think entertainment and match making have a lot to do with ranking #2, bellator consistently puts on great shows

This

[Crunchie]

Strike force has 13 Womens bantamweights
Bellator has 19 FW, 13 BW and 6 womens 115lbs

[Crunchie]

After thinking about it I see it this way:

The LHW, MW, WW and LW divisions are very close.
I give the edge to Bellator in LHW
MW goes fairly easily to Strikeforce
WWis really close since Daley went to Bellator, but with the emergence of Nate Im going with Strikeforce.
LW is a draw, unless Bellator loses Eddie to the UFC then Strike force gets th upper hand.

As for the intangibles such as more weight divisions and frequency of Cards as well as tournies(which I like greatly) it has to go to Bellator

So everything is very close but I think I am going with Bellator as the #2 org

[cam]

I'm just gonna agree with crunchie cause he really thought about this and made such a strong argument.

[cam]

ONE FC

[Neo_Pop]

Bellator is the 2nd best.