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    Fight Doctor Comments on Chael Sonnen, Hypogonadism & Steroid Use

    With testosterone replacement therapy quickly becoming one of the hottest issues in mixed martial arts, it's no surprise that it was a main topic of conversation when Dr. Johnny Benjamin, a frequent contributor to MMA Junkie, did an interview with Bloody Elbow's Stephie Daniels.

    When asked if a fighter like Frank Mir, a 33-year-old former UFC heavyweight champion, could require TRT due to natural circumstances, Benjamin got straight to the point with his answer:

    "Let's be honest here. How many people who never wrecked their bodies with past steroid use, naturally need TRT at 33? Less than one or two percent."

    Shortly after Mir's UFC 146 loss to reigning heavyweight title-holder Junior dos Santos, it was revealed that the challenger used TRT for the bout.

    Also worth mentioning is that Mir passed all of the drug tests issued by the Nevada State Athletic Commission for the event.

    Inevitably, Daniels than asked Benjamin, a member of the Association of Boxing Commissions MMA Medical Advisory Panel, about Chael Sonnen's claim that he uses TRT due to hypogonadism.

    Benjamin briefly explains what hypogonadism is and why he does not believe that Sonnen actually suffers from the condition, instead rationalizing that Sonnen needs TRT from steroid use in the past.

    Was Chael Sonnen a big time collegiate wrestler? Yes he was. I'm going to opine and say to you, there's no way in the world you get to the level of collegiate wrestling that Chael Sonnen was at, with hypogonadism. Let me explain to you why. Hypogonadism means that the testes did not produce enough testosterone for one to normally mature. He wasn't on TRT as a teenager. He became this big, muscled up monster and NCAA wrestler with hypogonadism? Hell no.

    The truth of the matter is, you could never get to that level, because you're not going to have the muscle mass and strength to get you there. They're going to run you over. Your body will not allow you to develop enough muscle and strength to compete at your size. If he has hypogonadism, it's from one thing, and one thing only, because he treated himself with steroids in the past, and wrecked his testes. That's it.

    Benjamin furthers his argument by stating that steroid use typically damages hormone-producing glands for life.

    That's the thing that people don't appreciate. If you use steroids, it can harm your testes in a fashion that's permanent. When these guys use steroids to compete, guess what? They're more than likely going to need steroids for the rest of their lives just to be normal, because now they've destroyed or significantly injured their hormone producing glands, your testes, and they're never going to work correctly again.

    Fans and analysts alike have questioned the legitimacy of Sonnen's TRT use after he tested positive for an elevated testosterone to epitestosterone ratio of 16.9 to 1 after his UFC 117 middleweight title fight with Anderson Silva.

    Mir's TRT use is also interesting given that JDS's original UFC 146 opponent, Alistair Overeem, was pulled from the bout and subsequently suspended by the NSAC for a 14 to 1 T/E ratio.

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    Make it all legal is what I say.....dudes on TRT and Roids can still be defeated. Technique>PEDs

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    Quote Originally Posted by omegatron View Post
    Make it all legal is what I say.....dudes on TRT and Roids can still be defeated. Technique>PEDs
    JDDS vs Mir proved that


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    reverse both Mir vs. Nog fights please, he was clearly cheating

    no way a non-roided Mir ever beats Nog


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
    JDDS vs Mir proved that
    Junior Dos Dos Santos? Is this a newer, badder, more polite JDS?
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    Exactly what I've been saying all along. He needed the TRT due to abusing ROIDS for years so his balls don't work no more. Cheating, lying, criminal scumbag
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake View Post
    Exactly what I've been saying all along. He needed the TRT due to abusing ROIDS for years so his balls don't work no more. Cheating, lying, criminal scumbag
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    Personally I don't see a problem with TRT if you are still within the legal T/E limit like Mir was.
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    T/E limit is just a way to determine if exogenous testosterone has been administered or not, Bean. If you're on TRT they check blood testosterone levels periodically to make sure that you're not going overboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
    JDDS vs Mir proved that
    You're presuming that JDS is clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revo View Post
    You're presuming that JDS is clean.
    Haha, this is true.

    Who knows now and days.

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    the doctor argues a moot point (or his words have been taken out of context). Sonnen is using testosterone legitimately under NSAC rules. Whether or not he wrecked his natural system in the past has no bearing, besides allowing him to use exogenous test to achieve normal levels. the bottom line is still the same, his levels are within the normal range, there is no advantage - only a disadvantage if does not dose himself.

    this is like arguing about a diabetic using insulin. a diabetic who possibly ruined his system through past diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BackDraft View Post
    the doctor argues a moot point (or his words have been taken out of context). Sonnen is using testosterone legitimately under NSAC rules. Whether or not he wrecked his natural system in the past has no bearing, besides allowing him to use exogenous test to achieve normal levels. the bottom line is still the same, his levels are within the normal range, there is no advantage - only a disadvantage if does not dose himself.

    this is like arguing about a diabetic using insulin. a diabetic who possibly ruined his system through past diet.
    Thats a good point


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    Quote Originally Posted by BackDraft View Post
    the doctor argues a moot point (or his words have been taken out of context). Sonnen is using testosterone legitimately under NSAC rules. Whether or not he wrecked his natural system in the past has no bearing, besides allowing him to use exogenous test to achieve normal levels. the bottom line is still the same, his levels are within the normal range, there is no advantage - only a disadvantage if does not dose himself.

    this is like arguing about a diabetic using insulin. a diabetic who possibly ruined his system through past diet.
    Except that he was abusing it and got caught after his first fight with Anderson.
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    Have it all or nothing. This is dumb. Chael or Mir can artificially put themselves in normal range, which of course is going to mean the highest possible normal. Whereas someone who doesn't qualify for TRT might be in a low normal range. And I imagine that "normal" is a pretty damn big range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussjj View Post
    Have it all or nothing. This is dumb. Chael or Mir can artificially put themselves in normal range, which of course is going to mean the highest possible normal. Whereas someone who doesn't qualify for TRT might be in a low normal range. And I imagine that "normal" is a pretty damn big range.
    Normal, healthy adult male is 1:1, depending on the time of day
    World Anti-Doping Agency allows 4:1
    NSAC allows 6:1

    So yes, it's a pretty big difference between what is 'normal' and what is 'allowed'.
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    this is bullshit

    why is 6:1 allowed is 1:1 is average

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    Cam t:e ratio is just an indicator of exogenous testosterone. You can have a completely normal blood testosterone level and still have a high t:e ratio.
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    i dont think I am completely understanding this the way I would like Killemall

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