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    Movies Are Getting Shittier Because You Keep Stealing Them

    Unless you want to see the kid from David After Dentist grown up and self-aware of his fame, this weekend’s ROFLcon convention on internet humor offered scant intellectual discourse. An exception was an impassioned lecture by Ben Huh, impresario of the lolcat sweatshop Cheezeburger Network on the future of intellectual property law and the web.
    4chan harbors a resentment that Huh profitted from the Lolcat images and ideas that they created for free, and he's long been plagued by accusations (and even death threats) that he’s a ripoff artist profiting from the work of the exact kind of people in attendance at ROFLcon. In light of this, it wasn’t surprising that his stance is that people should just relax and not get so worked up about stealing intellectual property.
    After a heckler was escorted out of the panel, Huh explained how culture and media moves and grows so much faster in countries like China where IP law doesn’t really exist. Sure, the people might be oppressed by their government, but they can make all the advice animals memes they want.
    Of course, the flip side of China’s freedom to enjoy “remix culture” of funny internet pictures and videos is that the lack of copyright laws make it a hotbed of piracy of everything from electronics to clothing, and of course, pirating movies and music.

    I worked at major movie studios for years, and I know exactly the consequences of movie piracy. I was around for several rounds of massive layoffs at studios where thousands of jobs were eliminated. There is a direct and real effect on a large American industry. While Tom Cruise or the president of the studio doesn’t see a dent in his paycheck, you might see the entire accounting department outsourcedto trim overhead.
    If that sounds too much like a sad Detroit auto industry sob story -- the fault of an industry that failed to evolve – here’s the sobering truth that film executives won’t outright say: they ARE adapting. They’re adapting by making terrible movies. And it’s actually a sound business move.
    First, several studios shuttered their arthouse imprints like Picturehouse and Warner Independent in the past few years. So no more “good” movies that don’t make huge profits. Then, they cut their slates, meaning that they used to release about 15 movies and year, and cut that to around 11. That’s why sometimes you look at the movie listings and it seems like there’s nothing new and good out that week. It also means each movie has to be more of a sure bet.
    That’s why there’s turd torpedos like Battleship based on a toy franchise, and that’s why there will be endlessly unneeded sequels like Hangover Part III. That’s why Katherine Heigl could drive a Lamborghini off a cliff every month for a year if she wanted.
    It’s piracy’s fault. Don’t pirate. Don’t give Katherine Heigl a Lamborghini.

    Ben Huh is not really endorsing people illegally downloading full length movies. He’s onto something – that the legally loosey-goosey “remixing” can live happily along side a thriving and lucrative entertainment industry. At least, in some cases.
    Take the 2010 movie Inception. This was a massive hit, and made tons of money. However, there was definitely a big pile money left on the table in terms of merchandising because Leonardo DiCaprio didn't agree to any merchandise with his image. Director Christopher Nolan was in favor of making merchandise, since he knew from the Batman films just how lucrative it can be. I respect DiCaprio for being a true artist and not selling out by having his face plastered on lunchboxes. I can only speculate he’s suffering some psychic scars from having his face on a poster in the bedroom of every girl in the '90s. However, there were plenty of people who really wanted an Inception t-shirt or a replica of the spinning top, and it just wasn’t going to happen.
    What slightly tickles me is that though DiCaprio prevented his face from being plastered on a coffee mug or t-shirt, a goofy version of his likeness became a meme he had absolutely no control over.

    The people who made and spread these memes were fans of the film – the movie was good enough to stay in their minds the next day, and they knew their friends would have seen it and could understand the reference. If Inception sucked, it wouldn’t have become a meme.
    Did the Inception memes help the box office of the film? Certainly. It made it become a must-see, the kind of thing where everyone you know has seen it and you’d feel left out if you hadn’t seen it yet. I’m sure that there were box office dollars that were generated by people who were influenced by seeing the images on Reddit everyday. Not as big an impact as traditional movie marketing (Inception had a $100M marketing budget), but surely it had some effect.
    This is the kind of organic publicity that can’t be generated by the studios themselves; they might be aware of it, but they can’t force it. The only way they can hope to get fans to spontaneously start making remixes of their films to create organic viral marketing is simple: make really good movies, like Inception.
    The perfect sweet spot in the middle is exactly what Ben Huh advocates: stop real piracy so movie studios don’t have to make shitty movies, and then allow people to do the kind of remixing that actually helps and promotes those movies. Everyone wins.

    I think Ben Huh incepted me.

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    19 out of 20 movies has always been shit. right back to when they started making them.

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    I think it's really subjective. Because movies can be shit but entertaining. Like the fast and the furious movies imo!

    I think people need to take movies for what they're worth. Like if it's suppose to make you laugh, and it does...... Why the fuck are we bitching? I'm not watching American Pie to get some deep controversial meaning like I would from the movie American History X.

    Or watch a horror movie, and bitch that it was not gory or too gory for my taste..... Kind of see where I'm going? Btw best horror movie, High Tension!!!
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    The studio's make shit movies, cuase thats what gets people to the theaters.

    People don't flock to the theaters to see art house movies.

    It comes down to simple business decisions. What is more likely to make money? Risk vs reward. So they are just going to copy something that has already made money. Hence all the comic movies.

    Really dosn't have much to do with piracy.

    The most popular movies are also the one that are most pirated.

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    movies are crappy because they're much cheaper to make and any idiot can get a crappy script off the ground

    The only solution to piracy is to stop the cammers camming and stop distributing those dvd copies "for awards consideration". If the original product is available to steal then somebody will be stealing it.

    And by Camming I don't mean chopping off your hand with a Canadian table saw whilst bass fishing and sipping Coronas.

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    no the solution to piracy is selling the product at a price that is reasonable.

    taking the family to the cinema is around 72$ american

    buying the dvd/ bluray varies from 30 to 50$ american

    bottom line - theyre taking the piss. just like the record companies did for so many years.

    if they sell it at a price that makes it more hassle to download than to buy then the problem will disappear. thats the only way it will disappear. this sopa thing is gonna work as well as the war on drugs - pissing in the wind.

    plus - everyone knows the money is in the merchandising
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    Quote Originally Posted by killemall View Post
    Then, they cut their slates, meaning that they used to release about 15 movies and year, and cut that to around 11. That’s why sometimes you look at the movie listings and it seems like there’s nothing new and good out that week.
    this is quite untrue. counting this year, which is incomplete and has already seen 241 titles released, US movie studios released an average of 535 movies a year over the past ten years. the previous ten year span saw an average of 472. average ticket prices have gone up almost 2 dollars over the last ten years as well.

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    I agree movies are getting shittier but its just the way of things, maybe music and movies the way they are will be a thing of the past and in the future the entertainment industry will be more like a hobby and not an industry.

    I don't really mind, the software for a hobbyist to make movies keeps getting better and better and the most creative flicks tend to be small indy movies anyway.

    stuck up movie stars suck as well


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    there are no more indie movie companies left, everything is big business now

    new line cinema was the best movie company and put out the most awesome movies when we were kids. they were a production company that knew how to work within a low budget very well and took a lot of chances that other movie companies would not take.

    new line was absorbed by its parent company, paramount or some shit, at the end you couldnt make a movie with them for under 5 million dollars. all of these big production companies wont take a risk with anything new. they want something that will guarantee profits, which is why they recycle old movie ideas that have proved the numbers are already there. they just copy and paste some bullshit shallow script, throw in some up to date special effects, call it "edgier than the original" and as long as the numbers go into the green, who gives a fuck about how stupid it is or how much integrity it lacks

    it just has to make money. thats it.

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    When they stop charging 20 bucks for popcorn combo, I'll consider stopping too.


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    Movies are getting shittier....

    The Avengers
    Chronicle
    Avatar
    Contagion
    The Lord Of The Rings
    The Dark Knight
    Inception
    Watchmen
    Sin City
    13 Assassins
    American Astronaut
    Martyrs
    Scanner Darkly
    Sword Of The Stranger
    Toy Story 3
    The Hangover
    Black Swan
    IronMan
    Sherlock Holmes


    These are all fairly recent films that I enjoyed, and those are just a few that come to mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiLLa View Post
    Movies are getting shittier....

    The Avengers
    Chronicle
    Avatar
    Contagion
    The Lord Of The Rings
    The Dark Knight
    Inception
    Watchmen
    Sin City
    13 Assassins
    American Astronaut
    Martyrs
    Scanner Darkly
    Sword Of The Stranger
    Toy Story 3
    The Hangover
    Black Swan
    IronMan
    Sherlock Holmes


    These are all fairly recent films that I enjoyed, and those are just a few that come to mind
    toy story 3? really?

    the kid was going to college and still had a cowboy doll.... and all the other toys... and then there was the horrific sickly sweet ending.

    yep. someone fucked up in that story board development session
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beets View Post
    toy story 3? really?

    the kid was going to college and still had a cowboy doll.... and all the other toys... and then there was the horrific sickly sweet ending.

    yep. someone fucked up in that story board development session

    Yeah but when they were all about to go into the fire pit, and than they just decided to hold hands and accept their fate... That was some emotional shit right there.

    PS I still have all my old GI Joes, Hotwheels, TMNT, Xmen figures and I finished college a 2 years ago
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    I like that episode of Robot Chicken where andy comes home with his gf to visit and turns buzz lightyear into a bong

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