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    Obama and the world

    by Vir Sanghvi

    All of us, or so the saying goes, should have a vote in the American Presidential election because the results affect the rest of the world almost as much as they affect America itself. If we did, in fact, have such a vote, it’s quite clear who we would vote for. Poll after poll tells us that the world prefers Barack Obama to John McCain.

    And now, it looks as though America may agree. There are the skeptics: people say that Americans are too shy of admitting that they would never vote for a black man to opinion poll agencies, but that when it comes to the crunch, they will chose the white guy. And there’s my theory, advanced on this page, some months ago, that Americans are uneasy with an ethnic President.

    But there are too many polls for us to deny the obvious. Unless something goes drastically wrong in the next couple of weeks, Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States.

    Obviously, this will be an epochal moment for America. As late as the mid-sixties, black people were forced to use segregated toilets in the American South and refused seats on buses. Now, only 40 years later, an African-American will sit in the Oval office.

    But if Obama does win, this could also be the moment when the world stops hating America. Surveys tell us that global anti-Americanism has now grown to an all-time high. At a time when their country’s global authority has been eroded by eight years of capricious governance by George W Bush, easily the stupidest man to occupy the White House in many decades (even Gerald Ford was brighter), and their economy has gone to the toilet, Americans need the goodwill of the world more than
    ever.

    By electing Obama they have the chance to earn that goodwill, to transform their country’s image, and to finally stem the rising tide of global anti-Americanism.

    In the long run, that might do them more good than anything Obama can achieve in the domestic policy sphere.

    Some positive global consequences of an Obama victory are:

    The Black factor: For centuries, America has fed the world a lie about its essential character. It has told us it is the land of free where it is ‘self-evident’ that “that all men are created equal” etc. etc. For much of this time, it has restricted these freedoms to white males. The framers of the Constitution kept slaves. Blacks had to fight to be regarded as fully human. And the country itself was founded on land-grab and genocide: the early settlers massacred the Indians and stole their lands before condemning the surviving native Americans to second-class citizenship.

    Unfortunately for America, its huge propaganda machine has never succeeded in fully obscuring this lie. And that’s one reason why even though much of the world loves American popular culture, an air of suspicion has always haunted the global view of America. When things go wrong — as they have over the last few years — this suspicion turns into downright hostility.

    By electing a black man, Americans finally have a chance to the tell the world that their country has changed: it is now truly, an equal society.

    International outlook: When Bill Clinton was President, we had a sense that he was a global citizen, engaged with the world. George Bush, on the other hand, strikes most non-Americans as being parochial, small-minded and unmindful of the concerns of the rest of the world.

    John McCain, to his credit, is more international but his campaign is hamstrung by the appalling Sarah Palin, a woman who only got her first passport a few years ago so she could go on an official trip and whose idea of a global perspective is looking at Russia ‘on a clear day’ from Alaska.

    Obama comes across as truly international. He is an African-American in the full sense of the term: his father was African (Kenyan) and his mother was American (white.) He grew up in Indonesia, has travelled the world, cares about global affairs (he was quick to issue a statement about India’s moon mission a few days ago) and conveys the impression that his concerns extend beyond the American heartland.

    All that is certain to work to America’s benefit. The world will feel engaged by an Obama Presidency.

    Muslims and Iraq: Sending himself up at a roast two weeks ago, Obama joked that whoever gave him his middle name clearly had no idea that he would run for President one day. It’s a good joke but it also reminds us that the next President of the United States could well be a man called Hussein.

    What’s more encouraging is that even though some of his opponents have tried to cash in on his Muslim middle name, referring to him as ‘Barack Hussein Obama’ (rather as Narendra Modi used to refer to ‘James Michael Lyngdoh”), America seems largely unmoved.

    This is certain to have an effect on the psyche of the world’s Muslims many of whom now loathe America with intensity. It’s easy to demonize Bush’s America if you are a Muslim; less easy if America is led by a black man with Muslim middle name who grew up in the world’s largest Muslim country.

    On Iraq, Obama’s record has been better than nearly everybody else’s. Unlike say, Hillary Clinton, he voted against the war arguing, sensibly, that America should devote its energy to rooting out Al Qaeda and the Taliban from Afghanistan (and Pakistan), not in a pointless engagement in Iraq which has destroyed that hapless country, encouraged fanatics to turn to terrorism and now, devastated the US economy as well.

    His views are pretty much the views of the rest of the world as well and so, are bound to find resonance.

    The economic crisis: It hasn’t happened yet but I think it’s only a matter of time. As the global economic crisis begins to bite, as factories close, as people are rendered unemployed and as the world’s middle classes see their savings wiped out, there will be a tendency to blame America for the world’s financial misfortunes. After all, who can deny that this crisis was caused by Wall Street’s greed and the failure of the US government to regulate its mammoth private financial institutions?

    The best hope for America’s image in this situation is the election of a President who slams Wall Street and the big multi-nationals; who promises regulation and who disowns the excesses of the last decade.
    Bush can’t do that: his administration allowed the crisis to happen, even helped make it possible. Nor can McCain, whose traditional Republican ties to big business restrict his room for maneuver and who clearly doesn’t understand what’s going on anyway.

    Only Obama has the ability and credibility to tell the world that America made mistakes and that, he will fix them.
    Education: Even those who support Obama will concede that he has a tendency to come off as too clever and loves to lecture.

    In America, this is seen as a disadvantage. In the rest of the world, it is a huge advantage.

    Most of us are so fed up of the folksy simplicity of American politicians that we long for an American President who has an IQ higher than Mickey Mouse’s or Goofy’s.

    McCain’s probably a bright guy but his slow, soft, ingratiating (every sentence is addressed to “my friends”) delivery does not suggest mental agility. Sarah Palin actually makes a virtue out of her ignorance, passing this off as an All-American value. Asked by interviewer Katie Couric which papers she read, she couldn’t name one. Asked to name a single Supreme Court decision apart from the famous Roe v. Wade, she had no idea.

    The world is terrified by the prospect of having the most powerful country on the planet led by a moron. We’ve already seen the havoc eight years of Bush have wrought. So, on balance, we don’t mind if the next US President is an intellectual show off. Hell, we may even like it!

    The big change: If Obama does win, as seems likely, then it will serve notice to the world that America is finally ready to turn its back on the past: on centuries of discrimination; on pointless wars; on parochialism and small-mindedness; on the economics of greed; and on years of refusing to understand the planet.

    Is it any surprise that the rest of the world hopes that he will win?

    Source: http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...+and+the+world


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    This shit pisses me off to no end. Where does this Vir get the right to judge my country? The USA paved the way for modern liberal, capitalist societies. Our record is not perfect, but nor is yours and I would argue that the fact that we are a nation of immigrants with people still trying to enter illegally is a testament to the quality of life that did and does exist here.

    When your economic and social situation is better than the US, come talk. Until then, fuck off.

    FYI, I am not a McCain supporter. I just think that the idea that people should vote according to what the rest of the world thinks is laughable.
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    Looking back at the footprints in the sand, he noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.

    The Lord replied, "My son, My precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

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    One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, the other to the Lord.

    Looking back at the footprints in the sand, he noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.

    The Lord replied, "My son, My precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper Man View Post
    This shit pisses me off to no end. Where does this Vir get the right to judge my country? The USA paved the way for modern liberal, capitalist societies. Our record is not perfect, but nor is yours and I would argue that the fact that we are a nation of immigrants with people still trying to enter illegally is a testament to the quality of life that did and does exist here.

    When your economic and social situation is better than the US, come talk. Until then, fuck off.

    FYI, I am not a McCain supporter. I just think that the idea that people should vote according to what the rest of the world thinks is laughable.
    I agree that no society is perfect and he's wrong in judging you in that respect. The idea was just to present what a "famous media personality" thinks of the US. I don't think the view is consistently shared by all though.

    I dunno much about history but I dont think that US government supports democracies. Support of dictatorship in Pakistan might be an example.

    Also, people shouldnt vote thinking about what the rest of world would think but the implications on the rest of the world should matter. What do you think?


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    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

    Robert Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by amanamagus View Post
    I agree that no society is perfect and he's wrong in judging you in that respect. The idea was just to present what a "famous media personality" thinks of the US. I don't think the view is consistently shared by all though.

    I dunno much about history but I dont think that US government supports democracies. Support of dictatorship in Pakistan might be an example.
    The US's problem is that it thinks that you have to act like the shit to be the shit. People seem to think we need to strut around and tell people how to run their home.

    Now I have no problem criticizing another country, say China for repressing its dissident voices and horribly polluting the world, but I'm not going to move in to correct China's problem.

    Nor do I have a problem helping another country, but if we do it, it should be with the understanding that we expect favors in return. A favor for a favor--Godfather style.

    I'm not even completely opposed to supporting our values either. But changes in the world must come for the local people, not because we have imposed certain things on other people. Successful revolutions start from within, not from without.

    Also, people shouldnt vote thinking about what the rest of world would think but the implications on the rest of the world should matter. What do you think?
    Again, if I had my druthers the US would stay out of world affairs unless it is protecting itself or its interests (which it with absolute conviction), or it is doing favors for allies.

    With that said, from a practical, current standpoint, I do think you are right--Obama will improve how the world sees America and that will be important for our petty jockeying for power.

    One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, the other to the Lord.

    Looking back at the footprints in the sand, he noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.

    The Lord replied, "My son, My precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper Man View Post
    Now I have no problem criticizing another country
    but you have a problem with this man offering constructive criticism of US politics and the country's overall recent history? you're pretty much the stereotypical american this guy is talking about to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper Man View Post
    I just think that the idea that people should vote according to what the rest of the world thinks is laughable.
    Quoted for truth. This is one thing all Americans should agree on.
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    i don't agree with Vir on everything there, and i definitely don't go into the voting booths thinking too much about what the rest of the world wants to see happen. i just think it's ridiculous to say this writer doesn't have the "right" to judge america. he's not even being an asshole about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douchebag View Post
    but you have a problem with this man offering constructive criticism of US politics and the country's overall recent history? you're pretty much the stereotypical american this guy is talking about to begin with.
    I don't have a problem with him criticizing US politics. He is welcome to. I have a problem with him being ignorant and wrong.

    One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, the other to the Lord.

    Looking back at the footprints in the sand, he noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.

    The Lord replied, "My son, My precious child, I love you and would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

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    we had a sense that he was a global citizen, engaged with the world
    I didn't know that Clinton was the president of a World Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterglow View Post
    I didn't know that Clinton was the president of a World Government.
    Does the quote imply in any way that Clinton was the president of a World Government?


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    Quote Originally Posted by amanamagus View Post
    Does the quote imply in any way that Clinton was the president of a World Government?
    It mentions global citizen. And he is not one. He is a US citizen.

    That terminology is for the one world nuts. Sorry...Not falling for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterglow View Post
    It mentions global citizen. And he is not one. He is a US citizen.

    That terminology is for the one world nuts. Sorry...Not falling for it.
    you need to learn to reading comprehension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afterglow View Post
    It mentions global citizen. And he is not one. He is a US citizen.

    That terminology is for the one world nuts. Sorry...Not falling for it.
    lol. Well, there are other interpretations of "global citizen". I think you're stretching the definition to fit it into a context where it doesn't belongs. You should read the whole sentence to see the context it is it.

    he was a global citizen, engaged with the world

    And from the wiki page,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_citizenship

    Global Citizenship is both moral and ethical disposition which might guide an individual or groups' understanding of the local and global contexts — and their relative responsibilities within different communities. It is motivated through a complex set of commitments to local interests (love of family, communal fairness, self-interest) and a sense of universal equality and notions of care for human beings and the world in its entirety. Global citizenship, as participatory action, entails a responsibility to alleviating local and global inequality, while simultaneously avoiding action that hinders the well-being of individuals or damages the planet. This notion is closely linked to an understanding of globalization and cosmopolitanism.
    ^^^This terminology, I don't think, is for one world nuts. So I dont know why anyone would have any problems with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by amanamagus View Post
    Does the quote imply in any way that Clinton was the president of a World Government?
    I repeat the question.


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    In my eyes it is.

    It is used to make us feel comfortable with the idea of us being as one with the rest of the world. One world.

    Cute little worlds to make people feel safe about it.

    You can call me crazy. But words can be used for certain things. And I see it as that.


    O and Clinton sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afterglow View Post
    In my eyes it is.

    It is used to make us feel comfortable with the idea of us being as one with the rest of the world. One world.

    Cute little worlds to make people feel safe about it.

    You can call me crazy. But words can be used for certain things. And I see it as that.


    O and Clinton sucked.
    i hope you get some new eyes before you get behind the wheel of a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afterglow View Post
    In my eyes it is.

    It is used to make us feel comfortable with the idea of us being as one with the rest of the world. One world.

    Cute little worlds to make people feel safe about it.

    You can call me crazy. But words can be used for certain things. And I see it as that.


    O and Clinton sucked.
    Did you read my post?

    the idea of us being as one with the rest of the world. One world.
    This, imo, doesnt imply a one world government.


    A man.

    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, and die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

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