DEBATE: Jesse Ventura VS. Gavin McInnes WHO WON?

Beets

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ALso the 'american dream" which is the same goal 99% of the fucking world have is not something new and neither was it invented in america. You can do it in countless countries and most of the european ones offer a better safety net. The obsession of collecting money and stuff as your primary purpose on earth is flawed. You will not find hapiness in it. And i hope you dont find out the hard way how easily all your climbing can be kicked out from underneath you. Saying stupid shit based on your pride for 'having worked you way up' and if people havent done the same it because theyre lazy has a way of bringing karma into the picture.
 
.....see? Youre a fucking dummy. You just dont grasp the bigger picture. Of course its to do with the political system it shows that its all bullshit. They lie to you to do what they want and start wars. Then when the truth comes out 20 years later nobody gived a fuck. ou might think you have freedom - but you dont. Fucking winning team!
I’m a dummy? Is that your idea of an intellectual debate? Calling a person a dummy? Another Ad Hominem attack.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.
 
The very fact you claim your system is the best in the world is pride. Your pish about founding fathers is pride. So answer me a question - how many countries in the world have you been to? I mean to make such a bold claim you must have been to at least half the countries in the world and studied the finer points of their systems. Weighing up pros and cons in a logical manner. I mean surely its not just some empty propoganda that youre mindlessly repeating.
Yes going on vacations to other countries automatically means your opinion is more valid.
 
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ALso the 'american dream" which is the same goal 99% of the fucking world have is not something new and neither was it invented in america. You can do it in countless countries and most of the european ones offer a better safety net. The obsession of collecting money and stuff as your primary purpose on earth is flawed. You will not find hapiness in it. And i hope you dont find out the hard way how easily all your climbing can be kicked out from underneath you. Saying stupid shit based on your pride for 'having worked you way up' and if people havent done the same it because theyre lazy has a way of bringing karma into the picture.
-If America isn’t something special then why have so many Europeans come here? They must be “dummies” like me because opportunity is a lie *eye roll

-safety net? Like wellfare? We have that. A country like ours cannot be compared to a small close knit country like Sweden anyway, apples and oranges.

-I never said money buys happiness. However to assert that it is unimportant to ones happiness or wellfare is simply innaccurate. Why hate on someone for being successful?

-I don’t put all my eggs in one basket so this fall you want me to have, won’t be happening. Most likely I will continue to grow wiser and more successful.

-I did work for everything and to continously try to deny that, rationalize and make excuses sounds very.....socialist?

-I never said anything stupid, not in this thread anyway.

-chill out, I did not call you anything or personally attack you and yet your calling me names and trying to attack me on a personal level. Fer Shame Beets.
 
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My primary purpose is not to make money but I put it on the forefront of my thinking because I enjoy success as someone literally coming from rock bottom.

People who don’t value money at all are the ones asking to sleep on your couch.

I’m somewhere in the middle but yeah closer to the greedy side.
 

Beets

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I’m a dummy? Is that your idea of an intellectual debate? Calling a person a dummy? Another Ad Hominem attack.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.
Address the point. Your leaders blatantly lie to you. Your youth gets killed and maimed. The truth comes out and everybody forgets about it when the next set of lying begins.

VIetnam - tonkin
AFghanistan - 911
IRaq - wmd

JUst 3 examples that come to mind
 

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I Reckon anyone you ask would rather live in the US. To say otherwise is a rediculous assumption.
THats because you have an overinflated opinion of your country. Many people see it as a souless cultural wasteland. China isnt all straw hats and paddy fields. It has bigger and better cities than the one you live in.
 

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Also I never said I wanted you to have a fall. I merely pointed out that pride comes before a fall.

YOu are looking at everything from a very narrow perspective and believing shit you hear on the tv without ever going and validating it. Stuff like the US is the only place in the world thats free, you can make money, greatest example of civilisation ever achieved , blah blah blah.

ALl im saying is stop and actually think about the shit the tv tells you objectively. Maybe with some first hand actual experience of other countries.
 
Address the point. Your leaders blatantly lie to you. Your youth gets killed and maimed. The truth comes out and everybody forgets about it when the next set of lying begins.

VIetnam - tonkin
AFghanistan - 911
IRaq - wmd

JUst 3 examples that come to mind
We were arguing socialism/communism vs. democracy.

Conspiracies are a seperate discussion.
 
THats because you have an overinflated opinion of your country. Many people see it as a souless cultural wasteland. China isnt all straw hats and paddy fields. It has bigger and better cities than the one you live in.
I don’t have an overinflated opinion. I am just arguing for democracy being the best system we as humans, have come up with, so far.

I am proud of my country and heritage and that is a good thing. It does not blind me however, that is all in your own head.
 
Also I never said I wanted you to have a fall. I merely pointed out that pride comes before a fall.

YOu are looking at everything from a very narrow perspective and believing shit you hear on the tv without ever going and validating it. Stuff like the US is the only place in the world thats free, you can make money, greatest example of civilisation ever achieved , blah blah blah.

ALl im saying is stop and actually think about the shit the tv tells you objectively. Maybe with some first hand actual experience of other countries.
Ok I will get back to you after I have spent 15 years as the US ambassador...

Seriously though, I read books and follow current events. I inform myself, that is what is important.

I never said any of those things you listed. Those are just projections. I do an entire show about being open minded and about all the conspiracies that go down. You telling me I have a narrow viewpoint or that I need to look into conspiracies is like telling Michael Jordan he needs to practice his free throws...
 

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Ok I will get back to you after I have spent 15 years as the US ambassador...

Seriously though, I read books and follow current events. I inform myself, that is what is important.

I never said any of those things you listed. Those are just projections. I do an entire show about being open minded and about all the conspiracies that go down. You telling me I have a narrow viewpoint or that I need to look into conspiracies is like telling Michael Jordan he needs to practice his free throws...
... these arent conspiracy theories. This is the simple fact that a number of americans think that they are the biggest at everything. When it may not be factually accurate. But because you heard it on tv you repeat it as a fact.

NAme a fucking war youve won in the last 50 years. Fucking one half arsed shit show after another leaving chaos behind you. Fucking clowns.
 
ITs not a theory its documented fact. Feel free to read about it.
Read about conspiracies? Pretty sure I have done my share of that. Again, not what the original discussion was about. You are bringing up evil and corruption. That is not the subject we were debating.
 
... these arent conspiracy theories. This is the simple fact that a number of americans think that they are the biggest at everything. When it may not be factually accurate. But because you heard it on tv you repeat it as a fact.

NAme a fucking war youve won in the last 50 years. Fucking one half arsed shit show after another leaving chaos behind you. Fucking clowns.
Just sounds like you have a bigotted type bias towards Americans..

Your the guy who hates all black folk because he got mugged by one 15 years ago.

Clowns? You have to name call when you get mad?