DEBATE: Jesse Ventura VS. Gavin McInnes WHO WON?

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COuntries with a strong socialist leaning. With better standards of education and healthcare than america. With free trade. The ability to make your own destiny.
 

ninjashoes

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Closed government system? You realise there are numerous countries around the world that afford their citizens more freedom than america dont you?
Sure there are but that has more to do with America becoming socialist. That is what is happening so you should be in agreement with the current climate here.
 

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COuntries with a strong socialist leaning. With better standards of education and healthcare than america. With free trade. The ability to make your own destiny.
Those concepts conflict.

A good doctor wants a capitalistic health care system where he gets paid more for not sucking at his job.
 

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btw all those awesome Euro countries that people used to say are so much better than the US...

Well right now they are being overrun by Muslims and are losing their cultural identities. They are succumbing to their own hippie ways.
 

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Those concepts conflict.

A good doctor wants a capitalistic health care system where he gets paid more for not sucking at his job.
THey maybe conflict in your limited understanding of how the world outside of seattle exists, but they dont in reality.

I Cant be fucked looking up figures but a GP is on 200k+ us dollars per annum.

SUrgeons and specialists probably double
 

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btw all those awesome Euro countries that people used to say are so much better than the US...

Well right now they are being overrun by Muslims and are losing their cultural identities. They are succumbing to their own hippie ways.
HAve a look at the growth of the right wing. The pendulum is swinging the other way.

FOr someone who claims to have thought about the people controlling the world, you political viewpoints are extremely main stream american. Fucking still eating up the post ww2 propaganda
 

arokido

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Currently watching Yes Minister on Amazon Prime. Hilarious story about a clueless politician James Hacker being constantly pwned by permanent secretary Humphrey Appleby is absolutely hilarious to watch. I saw this 10 years ago but couldn't really get the pwnage but now everything seems so clear and apparent.
 

ninjashoes

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THey maybe conflict in your limited understanding of how the world outside of seattle exists, but they dont in reality.

I Cant be fucked looking up figures but a GP is on 200k+ us dollars per annum.

SUrgeons and specialists probably double
My undestanding isn’t limited. I have the internet just like you do.

I’m just coming from the perspective of someone who grew up poor and saw how useless and unmotivated most poor people are.

I saw Koreans and Indians coming here and starting small busineses unlike the wellfare fed native born Americans who would prefer to milk to system.

Capitalism provides the opportunity to better your life. Regardless of if you were born here or came here, the sky is the limit and the world is your oyster.
 

ninjashoes

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HAve a look at the growth of the right wing. The pendulum is swinging the other way.

FOr someone who claims to have thought about the people controlling the world, you political viewpoints are extremely main stream american. Fucking still eating up the post ww2 propaganda
None of us truly know who pulls the strings. The true puppet masters are hidden.

The growth of the right is another manipulation.

Both Democracy and Communism are used for manipulation so dividing them up and claiming that one is more “anti-Illuminati” than the other just shows well their divide and conquer tactics work.
 

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??? Wtf is anti illuminati? Im claiming youre buying some tired old bullshit line that allows trillions to be wasted on bullshit weapons that dont even work half the time, built at 100 times the cost that the work in an alleged capitalist country should cost.

IVe seen first hand the cutting edge weapons in action. Fucking bullshit.

ALl im claiming is people want to live in peace but some people make money and maintain power by them killing each other
 

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And you can see who is pulling the strings quite easily by seeing who benefits from govermnent policy. Thats as complicated as it gets.

NO popes, no secret rituals, no pizza restaurants, no illuminati past rich people cutting deals with each other.
 

ninjashoes

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??? Wtf is anti illuminati? Im claiming youre buying some tired old bullshit line that allows trillions to be wasted on bullshit weapons that dont even work half the time, built at 100 times the cost that the work in an alleged capitalist country should cost.

IVe seen first hand the cutting edge weapons in action. Fucking bullshit.

ALl im claiming is people want to live in peace but some people make money and maintain power by them killing each other
Russia and China were/are Communist/Socialist and spend just as much on weapons but here we have more personal freedoms and the potential to better ones life.

Most of the people in those countries are dirt poor.
 

ninjashoes

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And you can see who is pulling the strings quite easily by seeing who benefits from govermnent policy. Thats as complicated as it gets.

NO popes, no secret rituals, no pizza restaurants, no illuminati past rich people cutting deals with each other.
-The Catholic Church has and has always had massive power and influence. Just research the Jesuits. Hitler copied their manipulation tactics quite a bit because he admired their ability to shape the world.

-Secret rituals are common among the elite. It is well documented and they admit to it. You are simply unaware of it as most folk are. I was too until I started reading about it.

-The Illuminati is very real and all the information in regards to who started it and who funded it is public knowledge on Wikipedia under Bavarian Illuminati.

-Pizza Gate is another manipulation. The child molesters are obviously real and its well documented regardless of the authenticity of Pizza Gate.




I am glad you at least acknowledge that the super rich manipulate us. These people actually mostly live in Europe and control the world from there.
 

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And all those people hold power through either large amounts of cash or large amounts of voters.

THe ritual thing...... maybe but its just for their own perverted thrills.
 

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Russia and China were/are Communist/Socialist and spend just as much on weapons but here we have more personal freedoms and the potential to better ones life.

Most of the people in those countries are dirt poor.
Tell me about the freedoms you have over the russian people
 

ninjashoes

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And all those people hold power through either large amounts of cash or large amounts of voters.

THe ritual thing...... maybe but its just for their own perverted thrills.
of course they do and "perverted thrills" sounds like a pretty weak explanation.

I am not even going to try to convince you about magick, might as well try to get my cat to play the drums in my band.
 

ninjashoes

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Tell me about the freedoms you have over the russian people
Russia is no longer communist and has embraced democracy.

Notice how life started improving there once they dropped the communist bullshit?

Why would they quit if it was so great so share everything?
 

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of course they do and "perverted thrills" sounds like a pretty weak explanation.

I am not even going to try to convince you about magick, might as well try to get my cat to play the drums in my band.
IM sure he has more natural rhythm than you