DEBATE: Jesse Ventura VS. Gavin McInnes WHO WON?

#41
Communism and Socialism are just tools of the Elite to manipulate poor people into overthrowing their government.

Neither of those systems have ever worked, everyone just ends up being poor and the political leaders live like rich people anyway. It always turns into fascism. Look at China and how miserable the people are, like a bunch of drones unable to have individual expression or speak out.

What they want now is a one world government with no borders.
 

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#42
......money is an invented concept.

CApitalism has failed. All the shit youve worked for is potentially fucked if you take a 6 month hit that stops you earning a wage.

YOur pride can come back and bite you hard and then you become the lazy fucker on welfare. Illness, paid off from your job, jail time. All potentially around the corner.

ANd i'll umderline the fact again 5% own 99%. You are not and never will be in that 5%. Not even fucking close. If your lucky and amass 10 or 20 million. Your still not even fucking close. Lose the pride and the special feeling you get when you look about at all the shit your probably still in debt for and think about what would actually be fair.

ANd nobody wants your shit. It will be obsolete in 10 years. Thats the way capitalism works. Always on that treadmill having to update your plastic shit. Your house. Your fucking whatever. All which results in an empty feeling because at the end of the day money and things are made up. There is no value in them when you really think about it. Relationships and achievements in skill and an appreciation of nature are more flllfilling than the pursuit of stuff.
 

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#43
ANd that isnt some tree hugging shit. Its an honest appraisal of people in all stages of life, most stratas of life. And the common threads from those stratas.
 

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#44
ANd......

WHy are you so successfull? A twist of fate. You were born to someone in a rich country. Thats not something you achieved. Thats luck. The rent free basement dwelling. Luck.

NOw theres obviously an element of drive that is required to achieve and congrats for having that, but you joined the marathon at mile 24 on a global scale
 

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#45
ANd at the end of the day how is that fair? And if it isnt fair how can there be peace? And your country goes around the world fucking with other peoples lives to preserve that advantage. Its called liberation or regime change - but its ultimately killing them and taking their shit. War capitalism.
 
#45
......money is an invented concept.

CApitalism has failed. All the shit youve worked for is potentially fucked if you take a 6 month hit that stops you earning a wage.

YOur pride can come back and bite you hard and then you become the lazy fucker on welfare. Illness, paid off from your job, jail time. All potentially around the corner.

ANd i'll umderline the fact again 5% own 99%. You are not and never will be in that 5%. Not even fucking close. If your lucky and amass 10 or 20 million. Your still not even fucking close. Lose the pride and the special feeling you get when you look about at all the shit your probably still in debt for and think about what would actually be fair.

ANd nobody wants your shit. It will be obsolete in 10 years. Thats the way capitalism works. Always on that treadmill having to update your plastic shit. Your house. Your fucking whatever. All which results in an empty feeling because at the end of the day money and things are made up. There is no value in them when you really think about it. Relationships and achievements in skill and an appreciation of nature are more flllfilling than the pursuit of stuff.
Capitalism is doing great compared to Communism which has never worked anywhere. No I'm not fucked after 6 months, why would you assume so much?

I actually save for a rainy day which is something that the low life type would never do. I am not in any debt.

You need money to be able to relax enough to have relationships and a vehicle to get out to nature.

The rich elite will still be around and in control regardless of what governing system is in place. They created every Communist revolution.

ANd that isnt some tree hugging shit. Its an honest appraisal of people in all stages of life, most stratas of life. And the common threads from those stratas.
It sucks being poor and it sucks less being rich. Life sucks and no money can't buy happiness but it is better to have than have not. Those who have not need to depend on others to survive.

Everyone needs a friend when you have no where to crash.

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WHy are you so successfull? A twist of fate. You were born to someone in a rich country. Thats not something you achieved. Thats luck. The rent free basement dwelling. Luck.

NOw theres obviously an element of drive that is required to achieve and congrats for having that, but you joined the marathon at mile 24 on a global scale
Actually that could not be further from the truth. I was born poor, everyone is not rich in America, that is not even close to true, the homeless problem is worse than in India.

I have worked for everything in my life. If anything I have had to work against bad luck.

The American dream means everyone has a chance, you aren't defined by your birth status.

I don't live in a basement. Sound like you are confused about gimmicky stuff from 10 years ago. I actually have a successful career in the business world and a radio show. I am planning several other ventures. I love living in a capitalist society, it works well for me.

How can I be both a loser and live in a basement yet be super lucky? That doesn't make sense. If I was in a basement and got out of the basement then I would actually be pretty successful in terms of bettering my own life in a capitalistic system.

ANd at the end of the day how is that fair? And if it isnt fair how can there be peace? And your country goes around the world fucking with other peoples lives to preserve that advantage. Its called liberation or regime change - but its ultimately killing them and taking their shit. War capitalism.
That isn't our fault, Israel makes us do those things.
 

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#46
DO you have a house? Or an apartment that you own? Your claims of success seem overstated if you dont own multiple properties. Sure you might be the best office cleaner they ever had and you get your picture on the wall regularly... but thats not most peoples definition of success.

IF you have no income for 6 months most people would be fucked. Or borrowing against their assets. If you have a years income in the bank well done.

LEts forget communism and look at canada or nordic countries or iceland. More socialist models.

NOw lets look at your claim you were born poor.

LOok at the average income for people around the world. Your family were in one of the top ranking countries for average wage. Even if one of your parents was flipping burgers - youre still richer than the majority of the people on the planet. Feel free to look at the actual numbers.

The reason you have so many homeless is because the american dream fucked them and they couldnt afford their house payments. They thought like you too. Thought they were special, deserved that big house because of how hard they worked. Took the cheap credit. Felt the pride. Then your financial system fucked them hard.

HAving the "look at me im doing so well" attitude that western culture encourages is an empty achievement. It means most people have everything on credit to keep up with their peer group.

ANd the real sting in the tail is once you have it all. All the toys. All the trimmings. You still feel empty. Crave more. Bigger better.

I Know a lot of people that have multiple properties paid off. Work 50 hours a week making hundreds of thousands. Most of them could retire right now no problem, live a very comfortable life and enjoy themselves. But they cant. Working is what they do, theyre defined by their job. Take it away and what are they? Fuck that. You need reflect on what you want and need and adjust the balance accordingly.
 

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#48
DO you have a house? Or an apartment that you own? Your claims of success seem overstated if you dont own multiple properties. Sure you might be the best office cleaner they ever had and you get your picture on the wall regularly... but thats not most peoples definition of success.

IF you have no income for 6 months most people would be fucked. Or borrowing against their assets. If you have a years income in the bank well done.

LEts forget communism and look at canada or nordic countries or iceland. More socialist models.

NOw lets look at your claim you were born poor.

LOok at the average income for people around the world. Your family were in one of the top ranking countries for average wage. Even if one of your parents was flipping burgers - youre still richer than the majority of the people on the planet. Feel free to look at the actual numbers.

The reason you have so many homeless is because the american dream fucked them and they couldnt afford their house payments. They thought like you too. Thought they were special, deserved that big house because of how hard they worked. Took the cheap credit. Felt the pride. Then your financial system fucked them hard.

HAving the "look at me im doing so well" attitude that western culture encourages is an empty achievement. It means most people have everything on credit to keep up with their peer group.

ANd the real sting in the tail is once you have it all. All the toys. All the trimmings. You still feel empty. Crave more. Bigger better.

I Know a lot of people that have multiple properties paid off. Work 50 hours a week making hundreds of thousands. Most of them could retire right now no problem, live a very comfortable life and enjoy themselves. But they cant. Working is what they do, theyre defined by their job. Take it away and what are they? Fuck that. You need reflect on what you want and need and adjust the balance accordingly.
That is actually a myth. The gap between rich and poor is pretty bad in America. If you flip burgers, you won’t make your rent, rent is SKY high here especially in Seattle yikes! You are lucky if you can pay your rent with five roomates.

India actually has less homeless than America at this point and yes you are right, the dream does not work for everyone but Seattles socialist policies create more homeless and draw them in.

I have no credit debt. I do not rent. I don’t own multiple properties but its in the plans.

I don’t know what I have to do lol, you want to believe I’m some loser ok believe what you want. I live in my grandmas basement, I’m unemployed, in a wheelchair and I don’t have a girlfriend and never will because I’m closet gay...
 

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#49
ITs not a myth its a fact. An hours wage flipping burgers is a weeks wage in a large part of the world.

THe world is a big place
 

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#50
I Also struggle to believe india have less homeless.

ANd you really need to see what some of them call a home. Americans think they have it tough. The fucking california "ghettos" are all fucking detached houses! Omg poor me in my big assed detached house.

Try a fucking tin shack by an open sewer
 

ninjashoes

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#51
“WIth regards to your home owning
situation - you said the other day that you were planning on buying a house.

IF you dont own a house and you dont rent.... grandmas basement is looking more likely.“(sorry accidently deleted the post)

For someone who supposebly does not care about money. You sure seem to care about my living situation.

When did I say I don’t rent?

lol Beets you are so weird man, you crack me up.
 
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ninjashoes

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#52
ITs not a myth its a fact. An hours wage flipping burgers is a weeks wage in a large part of the world.

THe world is a big place
No....

That is because of currency exchange rates. If you can live off a dollar a week, you are doing well because the cost of living is lower.

I can live like a king in some places like the Philippines but not Seattle where rent is 4K a month for a shit house.
 

ninjashoes

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#53
I Also struggle to believe india have less homeless.

ANd you really need to see what some of them call a home. Americans think they have it tough. The fucking california "ghettos" are all fucking detached houses! Omg poor me in my big assed detached house.

Try a fucking tin shack by an open sewer
There are people living in shacks by the sewer.

Again, there are more homeless in America than many other countries that you would probably think are far worse off.

I was born dirt poor and climbed my way up. Nothing lucky about that, it took hard work and living in America with free enterprise gave me more opportunity. I just did things right after learning from my mistakes.
 

ninjashoes

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#54
Oh I did say that I don’t rent haha whoops.

I do actually rent, sorry, wasn’t paying attention or was trying to convey that I’m in the process of buying.

Squirrel just bought a house and we have been chatting privately about buying houses a lot recently.
 

ninjashoes

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#56
Look at it this way.

In a capitalist society, it may be unfair but you have a chance to make it better. I don’t pretend I am some millionaire but having personal success has allowed me to have a hand in what my reality is actually like.

In a socialist or communist society, everyone is poor equally. Everyone is treated like a drone and everyone is paranoid about being killed by the political party who are afraid of expression because expression equals individuality which equals capitalism.
 

ninjashoes

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#57
Plus...

Do we really want to reward people for having babies and getting divorced?

All the handouts just cause a single mother epidemic.

Lets focus on making arguments relevent social issues rather than making ad-hominem person attacks.
 

Beets

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#58
Have you ever been outside america? I reckon you should give it a try. Maybe bring some reality into your perpectives.
 

ninjashoes

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#59
Have you ever been outside america? I reckon you should give it a try. Maybe bring some reality into your perpectives.
Yes I have and that is not a relevent point considering a vacation hardly reflects the day to day lives of all social classes within a closed government system.
 

Beets

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#60
Closed government system? You realise there are numerous countries around the world that afford their citizens more freedom than america dont you?