does do they have to do with how hard you punch? also, any way to make your knucks get stiffer?

does do they have to do with how hard you punch? also, any way to make your knucks get stiffer?

lightweight fighters generally have small hands and small heads

heavyweight fighters generally have big hands and big heads


It's genetic, so blame your parents, learn how to punch right, and you'll be fine.

Knuckles arent like shinbones in the fact that they can't take as much "weathering" to toughen them up, but plenty of bag work etc with small gloves will callous up your knuckles and the impact will go some way to strengthen the bones in your hands.



Or not.

Small hands have the disadvantage of being more easily broken than larger ones because of bone size but the advantage of having a smaller surface area. The pain and dammage is caused by pressure not force:
P=F/A if you punch with a set force, a smaller hand will have a smaller surface area of contact which will cause more pressure. Undoubtable, there are many other factors such as the inertia available due to the weight of your hand. This is not based on anything I have ever read, it just seems to make sense.

i think the wrist and metacarpals are more important than knuckles

i think the wrist and metacarpals are more important than knuckles

I reckon they're all fairly important.

Hit blocks of wood like karate guys. Theres a reason why some dudes can break huge blocks of ice and cement with punches. Your also gonna have to use grip excercise gadgets like those ball things you squeeze. A tighter fist makes a harder punch. Be careful to build yourself up slowly so you dont mess up your hands.

Hit blocks of wood like karate guys. Theres a reason why some dudes can break huge blocks of ice and cement with punches. Your also gonna have to use grip excercise gadgets like those ball things you squeeze. A tighter fist makes a harder punch. Be careful to build yourself up slowly so you dont mess up your hands.
but doing that is a 'trick', it's more about technique than anything.
There was this programme on the bbc called 'mind,body + kick ass moves', interview this asian guy who had a very unique fighting technique .. anyway he would go about thickening up his skin everywhere by just beating himself up, damaging the skin around his neck and face till it was thick as an elephant hide over many many years .He wouldn't say how he developed his rock hard hands other than .. I've heard things like soaking them in something and pounding gravel or certain hard objects for developing them.
The guy presenting the show , kung fu fighter, purposefully went about breaking his hands so the bones would be harder..... crazy.

I heard shaolin monks would start by hitting soft wood then move onto harder oak wood then stone and finally metal. On National Geographic fight Science they explain how bones grow back twice as strong.

Force = Mass x Speed

I heard shaolin monks would start by hitting soft wood then move onto harder oak wood then stone and finally metal. On National Geographic fight Science they explain how bones grow back twice as strong.

that makes absolutely no sense...

once u break a bone.. or joint or cartilage.. it should be weaker than before.. .. ie. ur nose, ribs, hands.. etc etc.. it doesn't get stronger..

that's why u hear everybody who's had their nose broken, say it's easier to get it broken again after it's broken for the first time..

that makes absolutely no sense...

once u break a bone.. or joint or cartilage.. it should be weaker than before.. .. ie. ur nose, ribs, hands.. etc etc.. it doesn't get stronger..

that's why u hear everybody who's had their nose broken, say it's easier to get it broken again after it's broken for the first time..

Bones become stronger after they heal. Anyways you arent breaking it, the impact is causing your bones to add more supports kinda like a frame of a building. They explain how it works during the hard body portion of Fight Science.

Now cartilidge is a bitch that takes forever to heal. I can see how a nose would be easier to break the second time. Im sure you could risk messin up your hands if you dont build them slowly enough and the cartilidge gets deformed. I'm not sure the exact process but Mas Oyama was said to have gnarly hands whos fists didnt even look human, he would drive nails with his fists and even killed a guy with a punch.

My guess is that you push most of the cartilidge away from the impact area of the knuckles and strengthen the bone. If this isnt true then how can guys break huge blocks of ice and cement with their fists. Don't tell me its because of a certain tecnique because the better tecnique you have causes more force which causes more impact and theres nowhere and noway you could punch something so hard without fucking up your hand and breaking it unless your bones are actually conditioned in some way.

The only other explanation is some kind of Chi force which we all know doesent do that. It was all explained in fight science anyway if you don't believe me.

that makes absolutely no sense...

once u break a bone.. or joint or cartilage.. it should be weaker than before.. .. ie. ur nose, ribs, hands.. etc etc.. it doesn't get stronger..

that's why u hear everybody who's had their nose broken, say it's easier to get it broken again after it's broken for the first time..

you arent breaking your bones - you're conditioning them to impact.

it's the same with the shins of muay thai guys. they hit it over and over again, compacting the bones, in a way kinda like particle board, where the pieces are made stronger with the pressure.

punch small forest animals

it's the same with the shins of muay thai guys. they hit it over and over again, compacting the bones, in a way kinda like particle board, where the pieces are made stronger with the pressure.

Ninja was right about the Fight Science show - it explains how these two big bastards can put their elbows through giant blocks of ice - all down to conditioning.

Yeah the fight science show called it "Wolff's law"

- Wolff's law is a theory developed by the German Anatomist/Surgeon Julius Wolff (1835-1902) in the 19th century that states that bone in a healthy person or animal will adapt to the loads it is placed under. If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading. The converse is true as well: if the loading on a bone decreases, the bone will be adapted and become weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf's_Law

Yeah the fight science show called it "Wolff's law"

- Wolff's law is a theory developed by the German Anatomist/Surgeon Julius Wolff (1835-1902) in the 19th century that states that bone in a healthy person or animal will adapt to the loads it is placed under. If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading. The converse is true as well: if the loading on a bone decreases, the bone will be adapted and become weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf's_Law

which is why they recommend weight training for the elderly - it helps reduce loss of bone density so when nanna falls down the stairs again, mebbe the hips won't break this time

awesome. thanks for the info. im gonna purposely break my hands now so they can get twice as strong

They said Sonny Liston had some huge fuckin hands, 15 or 16 inches in diameter. Imagine getting hit by one of those frying pans.

http://www.hickoksports.com/images/liston_sonny.jpg

They said Sonny Liston had some huge fuckin hands, 15 or 16 inches in diameter. Imagine getting hit by one of those frying pans.

http://www.hickoksports.com/images/liston_sonny.jpg

whao thats like twice the size of normal hands

it's the same with the shins of muay thai guys. they hit it over and over again, compacting the bones, in a way kinda like particle board, where the pieces are made stronger with the pressure.

yeh thatd different...same with myself and my 'knife hand' aka the back part of your hand....heavy impacts and 'brusing the bone' etc which is what MT fighters do with rolling pins etc on their shins, it builds more layers of calcium on the bones (hence the ugly lumps and inconsistent smoothness). when you break bones they dont heal 'stronger' than before, trust me. ive broken my hand three times now and it gets easier everytime...call it unlucky or whatever but thats my opion...maybe serious break but little fractures which is what happens 99% of the time will heal worse and will be painful etc particularly around joints...

but the best way to strengthen your hands and knuckes i find is to get a piece of wood, wrap it with rope and just start pounding until it bleeds...then once it doesnt hurt alot strap it heavily and do it again....once its ehaled do it again till it bleeds....just do that over a year and your knuckles will be very thick..i have nice big red skin over mine all the time thanks to my instructor

i would first make sure then when you strike you are doing it correctly you should always aim do impact the first two knuckles on your hand with your target...first 2 hurt them...second 2 hurt you...learn that and you will have alot less chnace of damaging your hands

They said Sonny Liston had some huge fuckin hands, 15 or 16 inches in diameter. Imagine getting hit by one of those frying pans.

http://www.hickoksports.com/images/liston_sonny.jpg
Kinda like Chuck. I heard Rogan say Chuck had big fists during the second Horn fight, then I saw this pic, which confirms it. No wonder he has as many KO's as he does.
http://www.djdynasty.net/pictures/MeandChuck.JPG

that makes absolutely no sense...

once u break a bone.. or joint or cartilage.. it should be weaker than before.. .. ie. ur nose, ribs, hands.. etc etc.. it doesn't get stronger..

that's why u hear everybody who's had their nose broken, say it's easier to get it broken again after it's broken for the first time..

Fight Science wasn't talking about compound breaks or anything. Just the small, minuet fractures that occur in the shin bones as a result of kicking a pinaple tree over and over. Those "small fractures" get "filled in" by new bone and thus make the entire shin that much stronger.

wow chucks knuckles look unaturally straight

wow chucks knuckles look unaturally straight
I've always thought the same thing. I've seen a lot of his weigh-in pics, and every other fighter I've seen has a large, protruding middle knuckle. His hand is pretty much flat all the way down. I'd suspect that it gives him an advantage because all his knuckles hit you at once, instead of the first two or last three, which has to be better for the hands due to the spreading of force over his entire hand. Big, flat fists and a concrete chin. The man is a born fighter.

dang check out Shane Mosley's hands compared to those of Rampage's


http://www.rampagestreetsoldier.com/celebs%202/sugar-shane.jpg

mosleys hands must be huge considering that rampage is a naturally bigger guy than him.

Yeah the fight science show called it "Wolff's law"

- Wolff's law is a theory developed by the German Anatomist/Surgeon Julius Wolff (1835-1902) in the 19th century that states that bone in a healthy person or animal will adapt to the loads it is placed under. If loading on a particular bone increases, the bone will remodel itself over time to become stronger to resist that sort of loading. The converse is true as well: if the loading on a bone decreases, the bone will be adapted and become weaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf's_Law

Wolf's Law, from my understnading of the concept, applies to shearing and compression forces, such as bending, twisting, and compressing of the bone. I'm not sure this actually applies to lateral impact forces.

man, mosley got some gloves. i would hate to get hit by those fists. that's gotta suck. i think it'd be interesting to see if there was a hand chart of some famous boxers, just to compare and see.