shoot or upper body?

[ninjashoes]

What takedowns do you prefer? I have only a couple years wrestling experience and maybe thats why but I hate to shoot. I kind have long legs for my height and I swear its the most awkward thing for me. I would much rather go for an upper body takedown like a head and arm or a trip. Do you prefer shooting or upperbody takedowns?

[SD_ATOmega119]

i like both...but i find that upper body takedowns like bodylock with a outside tripbis VERY ineffective (the trip is taug for inside the leg in every other grappling sport) the best upper body takedowns are the greco-ones but they do requiure a bit more strength...this is all assuuming you are facing a pretty well versed oppenent

[yooooshi]

I dont like getting sprawled on so I prefer upper body :S

[Tom Stall]

i like both...but i find that upper body takedowns like bodylock with a outside tripbis VERY ineffective (the trip is taug for inside the leg in every other grappling sport) the best upper body takedowns are the greco-ones but they do requiure a bit more strength...this is all assuuming you are facing a pretty well versed oppenent

i dont like to do inner leg trips cause most guys don't wear cups and i don't wanna knee nobody in nuts....

[SD_ATOmega119]

if ur not retarded you wont knee anyone in the nuts

[Rob]

Matt Serra being told off by Serrajitsu119. Does anyone see the irony?

[Rob]

Oh to return to the topic at hand I have the same problem as Ninja and have pretty long legs for my height and find it weird to shoot so I go for the upper body takedown but if I'm pissed off I try to got for the double leg and slam my opponent.

[Tom Stall]

if ur not retarded you wont knee anyone in the nuts

wear a cup

[aussjj]

i dont like to shoot unless i have to. upper body work is much safer and allows you to get a feel of there balance. The only time i really grab anyones legs is when im already in an upperbody clinch and i have the underhooks so all you have to do is slide down. Shooting for the legs from any distance other than point blank seems extremely akward to me. Maybe cause im not explosive. Whenever i get the takedown its always pretty gentle and usually on the counter.

[SolitaryIndividual]

shoooooot!!!

[Aiden]

i really like takedowns from the clinch..little trips like randy or some JUdo tosses

[TBirds]

doubleleg FTW lol

[The Fire]

I prefer the upper body takedowns - like Aiden, from the clinch especially.

[kimo]

i also prefer upper body takedown/slams

[HALFbakedHAWK]

Agian for me it depends on the situation. In the clinch I like alot of the Judo moves from the upper body, they work well with my MT. If my opponant has a stronger upper body than me I like to circle with leg kicks and jabs, then move in with an angled double-leg or single leg to transition into a heel-hook/knee bar. Some of the Judo moves work well against stong wrestler types, counter-sweeps/split-throws work alright in those situations where your opponents strength comprimises your footing.

[oddtopsy]

i usually go for legs a lot on instinct, if im taller i will sometimes go up..

[HALFbakedHAWK]

I like softening the legs with thai kicks, keeping it moving help to gauge your opponants shooting ability, allowing a counter or shoot. I like to mix it up.

[skunknuts[ADR]]

I love shooting double leg shots into slams, but upper-body throws can be twice as painful if done right

[HALFbakedHAWK]

I agree

;269887']I love shooting double leg shots into slams, but upper-body throws can be twice as painful if done right

[HeelHook]

my favorit is the single leg take down. your not as exposed as a double and if they sprawl you can transition to a hip toss.

[UrbanX]

Talking strictly JiuJitsu, it depends on the experience level of the other guy. Someone of equal or better ability, I'll work the upper body takedown (e.g. Judo throw, trip). I don't want to risk losing the takedown and ending up on the bottom...then having to work out of that. Someone of lesser ability, I'll punish them with what ever they let me have.

[boomboom]

clinch first always

[dynamitemitch]

shooting for a single or double usually but i also like leg sciisor takedowns too as something unexpected

[HALFbakedHAWK]

scissor kicks are gimmickey and leave you exposed

[dynamitemitch]

i very much agree but the heel hook is kinda my safety move (when in trouble get the heel) so it works well because i go all or nothing or switch it into a variation of a monkey flip

[HALFbakedHAWK]

I love the hook where do you train out of?

[Shoei]

da last time i shot for a single leg, that fool put me a triangle in about 10 seconds as we hit the ground...

[dynamitemitch]

I love the hook where do you train out of?

I train in Canada at Inner Cirlcle JJ and MMA and Champion Fight Club, Inner Cricle emphasizes leg locks so ive gotten to love them.

yourself?

[UrbanX]

This is a little off topic, but we teach and train leg and ankle subs as well, but have always been concerned about injuries. Since you guys emphasize leg locks, do your folks experience many injuries related to that?

[dynamitemitch]

not really techniques are empahsized to be performed slowly, including takedowns. Meaninga heel hook is applied slowly after its been locked in as well as armbars ect. If someone is picked up for a slam the idea to slowly put them on the ground.

[UrbanX]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Me and the other senior belts are the biggest advocates for safety, but it seems like no matter how much you preach safety or how hard you try to make things safe, injuries happen. We haven't had that many from ankle locks, toe holds, etc., but there have been a few.

[HALFbakedHAWK]

Yeah injuries are a part of the deal.
I trained at Maurice Smith's for a bit, they are really into heel-hooks, knee-bars, etc. and I really got into them. They are great for taking out BJJ opponants, they are usually too afraid of getting injured to try them out. So they aren't prepared.

Where in Canada is your Gym, which city/province?

[dynamitemitch]

saskatchewan, saskatoon for champion fight club and Inner circle in in lloydminister on the sk side
you guys?

Whenever i'm watching anyone spar we always yell out slow when a body part is grabbed. i also like spar at slower speeds because its easy to something from speed 1 to 10 than when you need it from 9 to 10 (does that make sense)

Anyone else use the high crotch shot here?

[HeelHook]

This is a little off topic, but we teach and train leg and ankle subs as well, but have always been concerned about injuries. Since you guys emphasize leg locks, do your folks experience many injuries related to that?
I started training at AMC back in 98, Matt would strongly encourage us to tap in training if you felt they had the hook locked in. It can be hard to check your ego, but a snapped acl is nothing to mess around with.

[UrbanX]

It sounds like we all practice the same way. Thanks for the input.

I've never used the high crotch, but it's an awesome takedown!

[nakedrear]

i dont like to shoot unless i have to. upper body work is much safer and allows you to get a feel of there balance. The only time i really grab anyones legs is when im already in an upperbody clinch and i have the underhooks so all you have to do is slide down. Shooting for the legs from any distance other than point blank seems extremely akward to me. Maybe cause im not explosive. Whenever i get the takedown its always pretty gentle and usually on the counter.

I would say this guy has the right idea. Use a single or double underhooks to set up your leg attacks. There are few times the open shoot is a good idea in my opinion. If you are going to shoot without being tied up, you at least to set it up with a "head tap" or bait him into stepping forward with the leg you want. Remember, you don't need to go for strictly upper body throws from the clinch, transition between the two.

[fighter19]

ive got 6 years exp and im in 8th grd and i like 2 shoot a low single or upper body throw

[knockkraut]

I hate to shoot. I always feel like I'm exposing my neck too much when I shoot for a leg.

[u4s4]

I did judo as a kid so upperbody takedowns all the way :P

[Goodrich]

shooting takes too much energy so i clinch now lol

[graciegirl]

I like 2 on 1's, they set up lots of takedowns that can be executed on bigger opponenets. If done right, no can defend!

[WiezorekByHugs]

I usually preferred to set up with some clinching and/or underhook work, and either snag a leg or go for an ankle pick. Being a bigger guy, that's kind of the norm. When I started to train with a Judo club I switched to handfighting to set up a low single or power double leg.

[mmaboi]

I agree, a low single or a double leg...my fav is a double tho!

[mmabiker]

judo no problem how long your legs are it helps