We were discussing this in English class and i agree they should keep it seperate what do you think?

History is filled with atrocitys from a church or other outside source having too much power over a poeple or their government.

Governement is just as bad as Church, absolute power corrupts. Church v State does not matter, either way, the powerful get to powerful and abuse the people!

Church has no place in the state in my opinion, but like it or not, our government was put together by Christians. That is why there are so many religous references in a good part of our everyday lives. From the pledge of allegiance, numerous counts in the Constitution and on everday handled money. It is really a nonfactor until the question of abortion is brought in. I support abortion, although I would not want my future child aborted But I have pushed for the woman's right to choose and still believe that every woman has the right to decide.

The only thing seperating the two is why the blood is spilled.

Conformity or Capitalism

do people really come to a MMA site to talk about religion and politics? ... this is incredible

do people really come to a MMA site to talk about religion and politics? ... this is incredible



This site allows someone to express themselves and voice opinions on a variety of topics. This is a great forum, you should give it a chance and see the many aspects the 'Shoes provides.

do people really come to a MMA site to talk about religion and politics? ... this is incredible

This site is about more than just MMA, you should be able to discuss anything here not just MMA, not everyone is always in the mood to talk about MMA.

Governement is just as bad as Church, absolute power corrupts. Church v State does not matter, either way, the powerful get to powerful and abuse the people!

Uh, except religion is based on myths and superstitions.

Religion is the number one most motivating factor in the lives of the human race. The idea of seperating Church and State will not take hold in the majority of countries in our lifetime.
State is basically goverement. Governments govern with law. Law is based on a belief system of what is right and wrong and attempting to create rules that place that idealogy in the forfront. The whole right and wrong idealogy will be based within the writtings of whatever religion the majority of the population subscribes to. It's where our laws come from and everbody else's too.

Civil society can only begin once freedom from religion has been established

The inspiration should be religion. I mean the religion should be followed in spirit. There should be concept of free will. No imposing of religion on anyone. No outcasting of atheists.

A society without moral values will crumble. If "religion" isn't incorporated into government, then how will moral boundaries be established? It will turn into chaos/anarchy. Separation of Church and State was intended to keep the Government out of the Church's business - not the other way around...

do people really come to a MMA site to talk about religion and politics? ... this is incredible


Yeh man, check out the witch video in "The Unexplained" forum. Most people here on The Shoes are really aware. I fit right in when I joined. Or at least I thought so. This place is dope. :sifone:

The only thing seperating the two is why the blood is spilled.

Conformity or Capitalism



Wow, really good point. *Thumbs up*

Governement is just as bad as Church, absolute power corrupts. Church v State does not matter, either way, the powerful get to powerful and abuse the people!

I'm with you on the absolute power thing, but to me that reinforces an argument for the separation of the two. The more they compete against each other for political power the less they actually have. Whether or not they are separate isn't irrelevant, it makes an enormous difference to the level of relative freedom the citizens of a state enjoy

This isn't to say a state can't oppress its people without the church being involved in its day to day operation...just that without a divide government gets a lot more power over those it is [at least according to the brochure] intended to serve.

As for government being necessarily evil as opposed to being a necessary evil....surely that depends on whose doing it, how its done and what its results are. I'm not sure I accept the proposition government=bad.