no white or asian has ever went under 10 seconds in the 100 meters sprint. [Archive]

Xeones

04-09-2009, 03:19 PM

chrismortimer66, it is well known fact that blacks (West African descent to be precise) have superior genetics comparing to others, and that includes whites. They have a higher amount of fast-twitch fibers (thanks to superior ACTN3 gene). East Africans, like Kenyans, are slow-twitch dominant and they excel at long distance running.

No white man has ever broke the 10s mark, and those that were really close have really good genetics. Top black sprinters break it few times in ONE season (Asafa Powell broked it 15 times in one season, he even run under 9.80 seven times). Why do you think that is? Do they train harder than the hundreds of white sprinters in the last few decades? No. They have access to better drugs? (yeah, Jamaica is so rich, lol) No. They have superior genetics.

bird

04-09-2009, 03:46 PM

Fight or Flight

Radar

04-09-2009, 03:51 PM

Any prediction when we will see one? lol

From 1998 Shirvington claimed 5 consecutive Australian national titles for the 100m sprint event. In 1998 at the Commonwealth Games he broke an Australian record with a personal best time and fourth place finish of 10.03 seconds in the 100m. This record stood until 2003, when Patrick Johnson achieved a time of 9.93s over 100m[3].

go aussie

Xeones

04-09-2009, 04:50 PM

Yeah, Matt Shirvington was close. Patrick Johnson is half-aborigine as I already said before:

http://www.athletics.com.au/freestyler/files/patrick_johnson.jpg

But we could acknowledge him, since his father is Irish.

nakedrear

04-09-2009, 06:39 PM

Blacks are only a few generations removed (or not at all) from from living largely in the wild and depending on their physical attributes for survival....where whites have largely divorced themselves from nature and have been sitting indoors eating crumpets and tea on their nice deforested land for generations.

But no, those distinct ways of life aren't going to cause any genetic variations over time. Sheesh, don't know why some people still have a hard time accepting that. Oh noes...that's racist.

Xeones

04-09-2009, 08:09 PM

That's a generally bad theory so it's better to stick to the facts. Kenyans and Ethiopians didn't sit indoors eating crumpets and tea on their nice deforested land for generations and they still suck at sprinting or any speed/power event.

I agree that those that can't accept the fact that white man has inferior genetics when it comes to sprinting are just racist and uneducated.

killemall

04-10-2009, 12:27 AM

Fight or Flight

lol, i c wht u did dere

TBA

04-10-2009, 05:31 AM

Western Africans and Eastern Africans have such opposite body types.

I'm curious of some other theories as to why this is so.

I seriously don't know why this came to be.

How did the Westerners develop fast twitch heavy bodies and the Easterners develop slow twitch heavy bodies?

It's possible that it was trait from way back and not necessarily an evolved trait I guess, but either way I'd like to hear some intelligent ideas as to why this is.

Here's some music to help you think about this subject more deeply:
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tomatocanfury

04-10-2009, 05:45 AM

There are no lions in Europe.

GoatCheese

04-10-2009, 07:51 AM

My heart beats like crazy whenever I see an athlete break the 10 second barrier in the 100 meter sprint. amazing shit...

supersudo

04-10-2009, 08:27 AM

Liu Xiang of china has the world record in the 110m hurdle... with 12.88 seconds

add 10m plus jumping and that's pretty impressive.. :)

Xeones

04-10-2009, 11:37 AM

HAD the world record. Now it's held by Dayron Robles.

How did the Westerners develop fast twitch heavy bodies and the Easterners develop slow twitch heavy bodies?

It's possible that it was trait from way back and not necessarily an evolved trait I guess, but either way I'd like to hear some intelligent ideas as to why this is.

Well, West Africans are still a mystery, that is, there's no definite explanation for their genetics. They are fast, and that's it. But, there are theories about Eastern Africans, especially Kenyans, like their diet (low side for essential amino acids and some vitamins as well as fat), high altitude living and training (efficient oxygen use), they resist fatigue longer as lactate accumulates more slowly in their blood...Those things can shape your genetics over the centuries.

BuxomBlonde

04-13-2009, 05:14 AM

HAD the world record. Now it's held by Dayron Robles.

Well, West Africans are still a mystery, that is, there's no definite explanation for their genetics. They are fast, and that's it. But, there are theories about Eastern Africans, especially Kenyans, like their diet (low side for essential amino acids and some vitamins as well as fat), high altitude living and training (efficient oxygen use), they resist fatigue longer as lactate accumulates more slowly in their blood...Those things can shape your genetics over the centuries.

Kelly Bagget hypothesizes that it is due to the abundance of food that West Africans were privy to.

You notice that there are no (few?) black strongmen. Most are from the far north European countries. When they did WSM in China, the Chinese competitor was literally laughable in comparison.

Rob

04-13-2009, 05:33 AM

Lol at not getting the Kalib Starnes joke.

Xeones

04-13-2009, 02:38 PM

Kelly Bagget hypothesizes that it is due to the abundance of food that West Africans were privy to.

You notice that there are no (few?) black strongmen. Most are from the far north European countries. When they did WSM in China, the Chinese competitor was literally laughable in comparison.

Kelly Badget is not an authority on anything. So, we don't really know. It can't be just food.

Yeah, there are very few black strongman, but you need to realize that blacks are not very exposed to that sport and generally are not built for it (that's why this thread is about sprinters). Whites (and chinese) also dominate the olympic weightlifting, which is the most powerful sport of all. But again, that's not because they have better genetics for it. There are no black people in countries with few decades long weightlifting tradition (Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Poland...). They were not exposed to it like they are to track and field.

Rob, would you just let it go, I didn't know who the guy was.

Rob

04-13-2009, 02:49 PM

Hahaha.

Not letting it go^

Rob

04-13-2009, 02:49 PM

Them blicks be quick.

tomatocanfury

04-13-2009, 03:00 PM

I'm pretty sure I explained this in post 21.

nakedrear

04-13-2009, 04:37 PM

chrismortimer66

04-14-2009, 06:41 PM

"chrismortimer66, it is well known fact that blacks (West African descent to be precise) have superior genetics comparing to others, and that includes whites. They have a higher amount of fast-twitch fibers (thanks to superior ACTN3 gene). East Africans, like Kenyans, are slow-twitch dominant and they excel at long distance running. "

I fuckin knew where this fucking post was going, Seriusly the only reason black do well at sport is they have no fucking choice, sport, rapper or gangster thats all they see as choices. Also Its a known fact that blacks especialy during the 80's and 90's where badly abusing steroids [i.e.]mike tyson to compete with whitey as well as the [left wing hippy fascist]ideal that blacks are supposeldy stronger then whites that has been imprinted into thier mind.

Complete bullshit, white people have superior genes for strength and power, thats why they rule powerlifting, weightlifting and strongman events.
Thats also why you asking about a fucking 100 meter dash and not 700lbs plus raw bench[i.e. ryan kennelly, scott mendleson].

Mark Felix is the only black dude to come in the top 3 in Worlds strongest man in its 31 year history and it is blatantly obvious the guy is steroid dependant[just check out his huge bulbus eyes].
All the guys in WSM take gear, but Felix like the Williams sisters is the embodiment of black insecurity and steroid abuse.

Here is why white people have superior genetic make up for strength,
WAR, it is the one thing that has cursed the white man and pushed him to highest levels of excellence at the same time.
White mans history is plagued in vicious wars, the close quarter kind, through these wars many warrior tribes where produced, the Vikings, Visi + Ostro Goths, Spartans to name a few, War speeded up natural selection, so it was the stronger men who came back after they had fought and procreated.
Black history hs nothing on European History when talking about Wars.
Fucking 100 metre sprint, what a brilliant basis for such a huge encompassing statement.

I cannot belive people with this low level of IQ can even type on a fucking keyboard. 100 metre sprint, but we won't mention squat, deadlfit and bench records set by white people, seriously have fucking word with yourself, absolute idiocy at the highest level.
I suppose you believe white men can't jump[go talk to Louie simmons].

You might not like, but its the science of natural selection is why white people have the genetic POTENTIAL to become very strong and powerfull.
Ever thought that black people doing well at sport is because of thier overrepresentation in the strata of sports[just a wild idea I am guessing you have not even bothered to think about]

Xeones

04-14-2009, 08:10 PM

First, let me start by calling you an idiot. And now I'll explain why you're an idiot:

Seriusly the only reason black do well at sport is they have no fucking choice, sport, rapper or gangster thats all they see as choices.
So, Jamaicans who dominate men and women sprinting have a choice of sport or being a reggae singer? Are you aware how ridiculous your theory is? There are a lot of countries in Europe where (white) people turned to athletics as the only option for success and they haven't broke any records in sprinting.

Also Its a known fact that blacks especialy during the 80's and 90's where badly abusing steroids
It's also a known fact that Soviet athletes were on steroids in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's (well, Russians). It's ridiculous to think that whites were fair players and that only black people needed to cheat.

Complete bullshit, white people have superior genes for strength and power, thats why they rule powerlifting, weightlifting and strongman events.
USA don't rule weightlifting. USA sucks at weightlifting. There are numerous white weightlifters in USA who accomplished...well, nothing. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Greece, former soviet countries, etc rule weightlifting because they have the longest weightlifting tradition in their countries. They were exposed to weightlifting for decades. They have the best coaching and the sport has greater expansion. There are no black people in countries with the greatest weightlifting tradition.

Similar thing goes with strongman and powerlifting. Exposure to track is incredibly larger than exposure to strongman. Again, not all black people are born for excellence. They need to be greatly exposed to certain sport so the greatest athletes will come to surface.

I cannot belive people with this low level of IQ can even type on a fucking keyboard. 100 metre sprint, but we won't mention squat, deadlfit and bench records set by white people, seriously have fucking word with yourself, absolute idiocy at the highest level..
Do you seriously think that I made that up? That's a scientific research, something you never heard of I suppose. I could name you a number of books and studies, but you won't read them anyway.

I suppose you believe white men can't jump[go talk to Louie simmons].
Long jump and high jump records are held by black men. White man can jump. But so far, black people jump better (Ivan Ukhov is going to change that, at least in high jump).

Again, I never said that white men are weak and slow. I just pointed to the facts why blackmen dominate sprinting. Again, FACTS.

The reason why you're angry is because you were offended by that, and that proves that you're just a racist (uneducated one by the way, your theories about white man genes shaped by war are laughable).

Conclusion:
White men and black men are equally exposed to sprinting (or white man even more). No white man has ever broke a 10 second mark. One black man breaks it 15 times in one season. Easily. You don't need to be Vladimir Zatsiorsky to figure out why that is.

bird

04-14-2009, 08:24 PM

Fight or Flight

i.e; genetically predisposed to running away.

GoatCheese

04-15-2009, 05:52 AM

Oh shit a japanese guy by the name of Naoki Tsukahara completed the hundred meters in 10.15 seconds once. He just might be able to break the the 10 second barrier someday. amazing.

GoatCheese

04-15-2009, 06:17 AM

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GoatCheese

04-15-2009, 06:18 AM

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chrismortimer66

04-15-2009, 10:18 AM

First, let me start by calling you an idiot. And now I'll explain why you're an idiot:

So, Jamaicans who dominate men and women sprinting have a choice of sport or being a reggae singer? Are you aware how ridiculous your theory is? There are a lot of countries in Europe where (white) people turned to athletics as the only option for success and they haven't broke any records in sprinting.

It's also a known fact that Soviet athletes were on steroids in the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's (well, Russians). It's ridiculous to think that whites were fair players and that only black people needed to cheat.

USA don't rule weightlifting. USA sucks at weightlifting. There are numerous white weightlifters in USA who accomplished...well, nothing. Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Greece, former soviet countries, etc rule weightlifting because they have the longest weightlifting tradition in their countries. They were exposed to weightlifting for decades. They have the best coaching and the sport has greater expansion. There are no black people in countries with the greatest weightlifting tradition.

Similar thing goes with strongman and powerlifting. Exposure to track is incredibly larger than exposure to strongman. Again, not all black people are born for excellence. They need to be greatly exposed to certain sport so the greatest athletes will come to surface.

Do you seriously think that I made that up? That's a scientific research, something you never heard of I suppose. I could name you a number of books and studies, but you won't read them anyway.

Long jump and high jump records are held by black men. White man can jump. But so far, black people jump better (Ivan Ukhov is going to change that, at least in high jump).

Again, I never said that white men are weak and slow. I just pointed to the facts why blackmen dominate sprinting. Again, FACTS.

The reason why you're angry is because you were offended by that, and that proves that you're just a racist (uneducated one by the way, your theories about white man genes shaped by war are laughable).

Conclusion:
White men and black men are equally exposed to sprinting (or white man even more). No white man has ever broke a 10 second mark. One black man breaks it 15 times in one season. Easily. You don't need to be Vladimir Zatsiorsky to figure out why that is.

Do you want me to anhilate just about everything have just written? You certianly don't think do you, you just let it all flood out, all the knee jerk left wing hippy fascist crap just comes floats right out of your small mind with not a hint of forethort.
Reread what you have written, if you cannot see the huge chasmic flaws in your arguments and distinct lack of logic, then stay with it for as long as you can.
I could be a real asshole and let you continue thinking you psuedo interlectual left wing propoganda, but I'm a sucker for putting people straight.

Xeones

04-15-2009, 12:25 PM

Do you want me to anhilate just about everything have just written? You certianly don't think do you, you just let it all flood out, all the knee jerk left wing hippy fascist crap just comes floats right out of your small mind with not a hint of forethort.
Reread what you have written, if you cannot see the huge chasmic flaws in your arguments and distinct lack of logic, then stay with it for as long as you can.
I could be a real asshole and let you continue thinking you psuedo interlectual left wing propoganda, but I'm a sucker for putting people straight.

So, you still don't have any real arguments so you decided to respond with ad hominem (again)? Tell me, oh Almighty chrismortimer66, what are my huge chasmic flaws, where do I lack logic? What logic could that be? The one when your childish ego refuses to acknowledge our opinions and facts that are contrary to your believes?

Seriously, how old are you? Because I never seen a man who's that unaware of his own ignorance (thank you TapOut136). You can't give any real arguments in any discussion and you always respond with ad hominem (sometimes combined with some crazy TV-shaped theories). You keep calling people "psuedo interlectual" (and misspelling it every time like that btw) and yet you haven't shown not even a bit of reasoning in your own posts.

I'm always for argumented discussions, but you are incapable of it. You say you're a sucker for putting people straight. Well, you haven't put anyone straight here, but you could think about straightening up yourself.

nakedrear

04-15-2009, 01:11 PM

As long as we're having a nice racial amnesty on sports, I must say I've always thought many asians appear exceptionally fast...especially when watching MMA or whatever. It doesn't mean it translates into sprinting speed or whatever, but I wonder if any tests have been done on it or anything. I wonder if some groups of asians have exceptionally fast reflexes. Or perhaps it's just very good coordination that kind of deceptively looks like raw speed.

If you watch a guy like Genki Sudo, sure he's unorthodox, but a lot of his success is his come out of nowhere quickness. Anybody remember his RNC on Leigh Remedios? The way he spun for that shit was ridiculous.

I do though remember reading somewhere that caucasions were supposed to have genetic advantages for powerlifting, like in an actual book with research and all that. I think it was called Taboo and it talked about race in sports. It also mentioned how some native americans make great ultra-endurance athletes because of something about fat and the way energy is stored...and something. But anyhow, it was interesting.

Yah, that was random. Thanks

Xeones

04-15-2009, 01:51 PM

Honorable mention: Koji Ito, Japanese, had one of the best 100m times for non-african sprinters - 10.00

deegs

04-15-2009, 03:20 PM

uhh, don't bring the high jump into this. only 3 of the top 12 at beijing were black. silnov and ukhov will be dominating for a while. also, german sebastian bayer made the 2nd longest indoor long jump ever. 8.71m

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not to mention the triple jump world record holder is white brit jonathan edwards. no one is coming close to breaking that anytime soon.

funny how there is no mention of the other events in track and field. the record holder prior to mj in the 200m was italian pietro mennea with a time of 19.72s. he did this back in the 70's!! kenteris was euro champion and olympic champion and had a pb of 19.85s.

lets completely ignore the throws, which may require more explosion and strength than any other event in track. it's completely dominated by whites.

Xeones

04-15-2009, 03:51 PM

Bayer is awesome, I got so excited when he made that jump, it was half a meter more than his PR at the time, it was totally unexpected. Totally inspiring.

funny how there is no mention of the other events in track and field. the record holder prior to mj in the 200m was italian pietro mennea with a time of 19.72s. he did this back in the 70's!! kenteris was euro champion and olympic champion and had a pb of 19.85s.
Alan Wells was a 100m champion in 1980 Olympic Games. He's the last white man who got to the final. Never happened again. He was a great sprinter, he's one of the candidates for sub 10 in my book (if we imagine that he raced today, on new type of track and with new track shoes). He's Pietro Mennea's generation. Kenteris was also a good sprinter, but he won that gold without Michael Johnson in the race, and without the sub 20. Not to mention that his doping violations are well known (but that doesn't mean much, as almost every elite athlete is on something).

Let's not make this thread like "blacks vs whites in all fields". We started about sprinting, and I think it's clear that blacks dominate it due to superior genetics. White men have some serious beasts in sports as well (throwing for example, like you said already).

Zere

04-15-2009, 04:06 PM

I thought it was a commonly accepted fact that black people generally have a higher natural concentration of fast twitch muscle fibers?

Xeones

04-15-2009, 04:16 PM

Zere, I thought so too, but it seems that there are people who think that black people dominate sprinting because they didn't want to be rappers or gangsters :D

Zere

04-15-2009, 04:17 PM

We got some edyuhkated folk roun here

Xeones

04-15-2009, 04:20 PM

Let's present the facts and see if chrismortimer66 can fight his ego:

- No white man has ever broke the 10 second mark in 100 meters sprint (but it will, eventually).

- Black men break it every year, some even in the quarter-final heats, several times in one season.

Now, that event exists for decades. Both white and black men were exposed to it almost equally (white man slightly more). Both had equal access to drugs. Both had good coaching. There's no other explanation except genetics. That's a common sense, that's what research says, and that's what you need to accept.

Now, if he plans to respond with powerlifting arguments I will just point him to the thread title now, so I wouldn't have to do it later. Stick to the subject, it's not a racial attack, you don't need to defend yourself with all means and finding black men weaknesses in sports.

GoatCheese

04-15-2009, 07:05 PM

You are wise Xeones.

GoatCheese

04-15-2009, 08:23 PM

Honorable mention: Koji Ito, Japanese, had one of the best 100m times for non-african sprinters - 10.00

freaggin A!! asians do have a chance!

chrismortimer66

04-15-2009, 09:30 PM

Zere, I thought so too, but it seems that there are people who think that black people dominate sprinting because they didn't want to be rappers or gangsters :D

What the fuck, and I suppose black people are predisposed to being taller to, that why they play such good basket ball, read what you fucking right you racist[left wing positive discriminitive kind] moron.
You let you insecurities blind you from truth.

I am a big guy, but bout 8-9 yrs ago was about 50lbs lighter, but still had a good pair off arms, bout 16.5inches, the amount of times I would see a black person second look me, look at my arms[yes I know 16.5 aint big] and check thier own, it was just plane silly. But in thier tiny little head, black men are these ultimate high testosterone fast muscle twitch dude that intimadate whitey, but in reality nothing could be further from the truth.

A good friend of mine who was a fucking monster 250lbs at 20, walks into a gym full of blacks, and they all couldn't believe what they where seeing, he was benching 425 for reps, shoulder pressing 150lbs dumbells etc, and they just couldn't fucking handle it. Just like you Xeones.
I do believe a direct quote from one of those guys in the gym was "thats the biggest strongest white guy I ever saw"
You post a racialy slanted post, and expect no come backs, seriously dude think again.
I haven't got time today to reply to all your comments, but I guarantee I will reply to your [what I can only describe as] ignorance tommorow.

Xeones

04-15-2009, 10:24 PM

Your whole post has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Your post haven't proved me wrong in anything. Who the fucking cares that you're a big guy or how much your friend benches. Unless he sprints a sub 10 on 100 meters he is not relevant to this thread.

Also, it seems that you insinuate that I'm a black guy. As I already said in one of my first posts on this forum, I'm a Serb. You now, small country in southeastern Europe, where seeing a black man on the street equals seeing a UFO.

Thing is, you haven't done anything to prove me wrong about black dominance in sprinting. You're just coming back to something else with ad hominem.

It's also evident that you're a unrepairable racist. You're also choosing a gen pop in your gym as a measure subjects of genetics between races, on a thread that deals with world class sprinting, and that's just sad.

TBA

04-15-2009, 11:35 PM

I have to agree with chrismortimer66 here. His friend is buff, therefore people with West African blood are not the fastest sprinters in the world.

supersudo

04-15-2009, 11:55 PM

Xeones

04-16-2009, 12:46 AM

TBA, you just made my day.

Zere

04-16-2009, 12:46 AM

What the fuck, and I suppose black people are predisposed to being taller to, that why they play such good basket ball, read what you fucking right you racist[left wing positive discriminitive kind] moron.
You let you insecurities blind you from truth.

I am a big guy, but bout 8-9 yrs ago was about 50lbs lighter, but still had a good pair off arms, bout 16.5inches, the amount of times I would see a black person second look me, look at my arms[yes I know 16.5 aint big] and check thier own, it was just plane silly. But in thier tiny little head, black men are these ultimate high testosterone fast muscle twitch dude that intimadate whitey, but in reality nothing could be further from the truth.

A good friend of mine who was a fucking monster 250lbs at 20, walks into a gym full of blacks, and they all couldn't believe what they where seeing, he was benching 425 for reps, shoulder pressing 150lbs dumbells etc, and they just couldn't fucking handle it. Just like you Xeones.
I do believe a direct quote from one of those guys in the gym was "thats the biggest strongest white guy I ever saw"
You post a racialy slanted post, and expect no come backs, seriously dude think again.
I haven't got time today to reply to all your comments, but I guarantee I will reply to your [what I can only describe as] ignorance tommorow.

This has nothing to do with racism in the classical sense. This has to do with science. There are tons of studies out there showing that populations of black people have a higher concentration of fast twitch muscle fiber. One of the theories is because they have adapted to the environment which they were living in for thousands of years (this is evolution). You are clearly the racist person.

Fast twitch muscle fiber does not equal size, but it does translate directly into sprint speed. Fast twitch muscle fiber also directly translates into basketball, which is why blacks are better at that (not because of whatever you were trying to say). Being big does not make you a better athlete or better sprinter it just means you participate in resistance training and cause hypertrophy in your muscles. 50lbs in 9 years is nothing, so don't brag, you uneducated racist. read a fuckin book.

deegs

04-16-2009, 05:57 AM

i didn't argue the 100m point. he simply said:

chrismortimer66, it is well known fact that blacks (West African descent to be precise) have superior genetics comparing to others, and that includes whites....

which i disagreed with. yes i know we're talking about 100m, but just wanted that cleared up. it just depends on the sport/event. how can something be better if it's detrimental in a way. also, don't overestimate the contribution of fast twitch muscle fibres. there are studies done on sub-10 sprinters which show muscle fibre percentages to be all over the board. from outrageously high(expected) to surprisingly low. things like limb lengths and proportions, tendon attachments, and the central nervous system have just as much to do with sprinting quickly. not to leave out which muscles groups those fast twitch fibres are in. all muscles are not made equal. even on the same person.

deegs

04-16-2009, 06:11 AM

Not to mention that his doping violations are well known (but that doesn't mean much, as almost every elite athlete is on something).

yea, he was just stupid. he was never caught, but it's clear. at least its better than american sweetheart carl lewis who actually did get caught and it was swept under the rug. anyone who tries to deny kenteris' medals/pr's, i laugh at because at the top, they are all on something. lol dwayne chambers is back for fucks sake!

Xeones

04-16-2009, 12:31 PM

things like limb lengths and proportions, tendon attachments, and the central nervous system have just as much to do with sprinting quickly. not to leave out which muscles groups those fast twitch fibres are in. all muscles are not made equal. even on the same person.
Yeah, I should have mentioned CNS, proportions and the rest. Thank you. While we are at it, I watched a (Japanese) documentary on Asafa Powell, where they made analysis of his hip flexors (responsible for many things in sprinting, like stride frequency due to knee raise and all) and compared it to some Japanese sprinter, and there was a huge difference. I also found a quote from one study that says:

Hanson et al. (1999) found the anatomical cross sectional area for the psoas major to be 3 times greater for black subjects compared with white subjects (P<0.001).

yea, he was just stupid. he was never caught, but it's clear. at least its better than american sweetheart carl lewis who actually did get caught and it was swept under the rug. anyone who tries to deny kenteris' medals/pr's, i laugh at because at the top, they are all on something. lol dwayne chambers is back for fucks sake!
Carl Lewis is the biggest cheat of all. It's ok that he was on something, almost everyone is, but acting like he's clean, spiting on Ben Johnson, that's just cowardly and hypocritical. Inadvertent use my ass.

Dwain Chambers really regret it, I watched interviews with him, where he talked how he got into it, how he felt guilty after every win, how he basically became a junkie, etc. I think he's clean now. He had an excellent time on 60m this indoor season. I hope that he will get more invitations to major competitions.

Anyway, deegs, thank you for a smart discussion, I got tired of replying to chrismortimer66 retarded posts.

deegs

04-16-2009, 03:20 PM

oh yea i've seen that film as well. japanese sports science or something. nobuharu asahara was the jap in the vid. a great japanese sprinter who retired this year.

amazing anecdote about the psoas major. hard to believe that there can be that much difference in development.

yea no problem, i love track and especially the field events so i enjoy these threads.

Xeones

04-16-2009, 08:22 PM

Slight off topic: Andrew Howe (for those who don't follow athletics - he's a long jumper ) is switching to sprinting (200m and 400m). He will start with 400, but he plans to run 200 at the World Championships in Berlin. I hope he'll do well, we don't see that kind of switches to the track anymore.

GoatCheese

04-18-2009, 02:40 AM

^ I dont think hes gonna accomplish big in sprinting though. Two different things. It took Mo greene 10 years to master the sprint.

Xeones

04-18-2009, 03:30 PM

Well, Alan Wells was a triple and long jumper. He started sprinting at 24 (and won 60m indoor title at 25). He's one of the greatest sprinters of all times. Andrew Howe is 24 now as well and he's not unfamiliar with sprinting. But it will take a lot of work, that's for sure.

GoatCheese

04-21-2009, 05:16 AM

^Dayum. Well I hope he does well then. And heres some ass
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GoatCheese

05-01-2009, 06:54 AM

Michael Johnson say usain bolt can break his 400 meter record.
Scroll down and click on the video.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympic_games/8024828.stm

GoatCheese

05-01-2009, 07:09 AM

Michael Johnson interview. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tomfordyce/2009/04/michael_johnson_your_questions.html

Xeones

05-01-2009, 02:49 PM

I believe he can but I don't want him to work on 400m, because his 100m will suffer. I want to see more records on 100m and a battle between him and Asafa.

TBA

05-01-2009, 10:17 PM

I think he could too but that would increase his chance of injury I think.

Once he hits top speed in the 100 it's pretty scary. If he carried that kind of momentum much past the 200 who knows what would happen... ruptured tendons, time warp, second big bang creating new universe?

GoatCheese

05-01-2009, 11:06 PM

^LOL, naw but seriously, I wanna see him break the record in the 400 meters. And I wanna see how Asafa would do in the 60m.

Xeones

05-01-2009, 11:46 PM

Asafa has an amazing start/drive, he would rule 60m. But, it's like a tradition for Jamaicans not to compete indoors. I don't know why. At 2008 World Indoor Championships there were like just two no-name Jamaicans competing.

Asafa will catch-up with a current Bolt's 100m record, but with a max effort. Bolt broke it effortlessly.

GoatCheese

05-10-2009, 08:50 AM

^Dayum, I always wondered why I dont see jamaicans in indoor events lol.

GoatCheese

05-26-2009, 12:20 AM

Hmmm, I'm reading some Usain Bolt articles right now and it seems like he really hates training. Usain needs to taste defeat so that he can be pumped and train harder.

Snake

05-26-2009, 11:03 AM

Xeones

05-26-2009, 04:41 PM

Snake, they don't need an indoor facility for sprint training. I'm not talking about competitions held in Jamaica, I'm talking about the Worlds.

Hmmm, I'm reading some Usain Bolt articles right now and it seems like he really hates training. Usain needs to taste defeat so that he can be pumped and train harder.
Like Muhammad Ali said: "I hated every minute of training, but I said, ''Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.''"

But I don't think that Bolt really hates training. I watched an interview with him where he said that he hates squats (who doesn't?) and maybe other parts of gym training. That doesn't mean he hates track training.

He tasted defeat, Asafa defeated him in Stockholm.