I rank him #3 behind Hagler and Monzon (and YES, above Sugar Ray Robinson who I think had his better days at Welterweight, and I can't comment on Harry Greb becuase I haven't seen the motherfucker fight). B-Hop had it all IMO, skill and knowledge with the discipline to match it. There were middleweights who probably fought tougher compedition and of course there were MWs who fought more fights, but no one had Bhop's longevity.

Too many people try to diminish his accomplishments. Tito had just DESTROYED a huge, top tier middleweight in William Joppy before his fight with Hopkins, so saying he was too small or didn't have his power at 160 is rediculous. The compedition he beat is severely underrated IMO.

So how do you guys see Bhop? I'm sick of not seeing him in people's top 10s, and I'm sick of seeing guys like Jake LaMotta (who I am a big fan of) showing up in ATM lists before him.

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Well considering I rank him top 20 all time any weight (20 straight defenses will do that for you)... He's gotta be top 5 MW's (5 sounds about right)

It depends on if I include Sam Langford as a middleweight considering that he walked around at 185 lbs even though he fought at heavyweight. Which makes it

Hagler, Monson, Greb, SRR (best WW by so far its ridiculous though), Sam Langford if he is middleweight (which he fought at also), BHop

I don't rate Sam Langford because as I understand it he fought all over the place like most of the old timers.

Wish I could see greb fight. I'd give anything to see him whip Tunney

harry Greb was the man... Tunney had a lucky career - Long count motherfucker

I also wish I could have seen this

I like Tunney because he seemed like a cool guy and he was my kind of fighter (scientific and skillfull), but being a Dempsey fan I always wanted to see him get pounded.

Theres not many boxers who rank higher than Hopkins, he is easily in the top 5 all time imo

ya, top 5 easily.
hope he hangs em up after pavlik wares his old ass out

I'm pickin Bhop to beat Pavlik

BHop by outthinking Pavlik.

I'm pickin Bhop to beat Pavlik

must we disagree on all things boxing?
its getting repetitive
Pavlik's slow, thunder-bringing ass will march down the old man.
cant see it any other way
i just hope hopkins remembers how to walk to the correct corner after each round

Pavlik should beat Hopkins, I dont see Hopkins continueing to shock people

Well I'm not counting Pavlik out but I think his lack of speed and lack of fluidity (speed and fluidity is what Calzaghe used to counter Bhop's tactics) are going to cost him the fight. IMO its all about whether or not Bhop can still walk that tightrope at that age. If he can't he's going to get hurt very badly.

pavlik is overated and will get beat.

I'm not going that far, I think Pavlik deserves all the respect he's getting and he's a fantastic fighter, but Bernard is a fucking scientist in the ring and he's a freak of nature.

I'd have to really think about it, but definitely top 3 of all time.

I'm not going that far, I think Pavlik deserves all the respect he's getting and he's a fantastic fighter, but Bernard is a fucking scientist in the ring and he's a freak of nature.

uh huh, truthness