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Reaper Man
08-18-2008, 10:10 PM
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One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern. We have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. And we lack a conscientiously developed appreciation of what it means to us. In other words, as Harry Frankfurt writes, "we have no theory."

Frankfurt, one of the world's most influential moral philosophers, attempts to build such a theory here. With his characteristic combination of philosophical acuity, psychological insight, and wry humor, Frankfurt proceeds by exploring how bullshit and the related concept of humbug are distinct from lying. He argues that bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshit need not be untrue at all.

Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant. Frankfurt concludes that although bullshit can take many innocent forms, excessive indulgence in it can eventually undermine the practitioner's capacity to tell the truth in a way that lying does not. Liars at least acknowledge that it matters what is true. By virtue of this, Frankfurt writes, bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are.

Harry G. Frankfurt is Professor of Philosophy Emeritus at Princeton University. His books include The Reasons of Love (Princeton), Necessity, Volition, and Love, and The Importance of What We Care About.

Read please:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040421060422/www.jelks.nu/misc/articles/bs.html

Then lend me your thoughts.

Judoka
08-18-2008, 10:28 PM
tl/dr, however it is a known fact that this site, especially this subforum runs on bullshit. If we could figure out how to make other things run on bullshit wed have to energy crisis right now.

Reaper Man
08-18-2008, 10:50 PM
This is not a joke, but a brilliant piece of analytic moral philosophy.

Chaz
08-19-2008, 09:55 AM
"Bullshit" as you call it doesn't work in real professional business meetings.

kronker
08-19-2008, 10:43 AM
This is not a joke, but a brilliant piece of analytic moral philosophy.

Judoka can be a piece of shit sometimes. Pay no attention.

Bloodshot {ADR}
08-19-2008, 10:51 AM
We're all full of bullshit, I desire something that isn't bullshit. What is it? I don't "know", but I want to find out just like anybody else.

Reaper Man
08-19-2008, 10:05 PM
SO did anyone actually take the time to read it?

xcept68
08-20-2008, 10:06 PM
nope

amanamagus
08-20-2008, 10:36 PM
SO did anyone actually take the time to read it?
I didnt get much time to. I've started it though.