We constantly hear that we shouldnt judge others. Now we can agree for the most part that being a judgemental person is a negative charactor trait, but may it, at times be a moral necessity to judge others?

Take for instance if a child is being abused by their parents physically, psychologically sexually or otherwise. By following the maxim of "do not judge thee let thee be judged", it excuses these actions and allows them to keep happening, leaving the child as the mercy of an abusive parent. Luckily those actions would be judged negatively in many cases and the child through organizations such as children's aid would be able to find protection from such abuse.

In another case, we often find that the homeless are often pre-judged by many as lazy, free loading drug addicts. However by taking a less judgemental stance, rather, one seeking to understand rather than judge, you can find that they often are plagued with mental illness and other conditions that limit their oppurtunities to live a normal life. I remeber reading a story about one recently deceased homeless man whom spent most of his life as a steel worker and lived a normal life and worked hard for his money, until he had an acident, was left injured and unable to work, developed an addiction to a drug his doctor had perscribed him and it was all a downward spiral from there. perhaps a less judgemental view in this case may help create an awareness of the reality of the lives of the homeless that might foster the development of a better system for dealing with the problem, by providing help and oppurtunity for advancement rather than just condemnation and resentment.

wow, sorry I seem to be rambling.

I'll just end this by asking, how do we find a healthy medium between judging when it is ethically necessary and being judgemental in a negative sense?

Thoughts?

yeah you were rambling a bit. Sounds like you have a real conundrum on your hands...

Maybe you can figure it out within your dogmatic atheistic worldview? let me know what you come up with. I'd be interested to hear your take on it mr. Basowns.

There is nothing wrong with being judgmental. You just need an open mind to allow it to be changed should good information come along.

yeah you were rambling a bit. Sounds like you have a real conundrum on your hands...

Maybe you can figure it out within your dogmatic atheistic worldview? let me know what you come up with. I'd be interested to hear your take on it mr. Basowns.

HAHAHAHAHA! Obviously your religion hasnt helped you much in this area as you are constantly on here judging every non-christian.

i assume what he is trying to say is you dont have to judge since god will do it for you, but this doesnt work for me because i believe that if you dont have prejudgement about some folks you will surely end up in a bad spot (robbed, raped, murdered). Learning your surroundings and realizing what is dangerous is necessary and requires judgement, everyone does it, if you dont youre an easy target.

We constantly hear that we shouldnt judge others. Now we can agree for the most part that being a judgemental person is a negative charactor trait, but may it, at times be a moral necessity to judge others?

Take for instance if a child is being abused by their parents physically, psychologically sexually or otherwise. By following the maxim of "do not judge thee let thee be judged", it excuses these actions and allows them to keep happening, leaving the child as the mercy of an abusive parent. Luckily those actions would be judged negatively in many cases and the child through organizations such as children's aid would be able to find protection from such abuse.

In another case, we often find that the homeless are often pre-judged by many as lazy, free loading drug addicts. However by taking a less judgemental stance, rather, one seeking to understand rather than judge, you can find that they often are plagued with mental illness and other conditions that limit their oppurtunities to live a normal life. I remeber reading a story about one recently deceased homeless man whom spent most of his life as a steel worker and lived a normal life and worked hard for his money, until he had an acident, was left injured and unable to work, developed an addiction to a drug his doctor had perscribed him and it was all a downward spiral from there. perhaps a less judgemental view in this case may help create an awareness of the reality of the lives of the homeless that might foster the development of a better system for dealing with the problem, by providing help and oppurtunity for advancement rather than just condemnation and resentment.

wow, sorry I seem to be rambling.

I'll just end this by asking, how do we find a healthy medium between judging when it is ethically necessary and being judgemental in a negative sense?

Thoughts?

judge not lest ye be judged...

condemning, criticizing, or judging folks is a pretty common practice, specially considering how many christian and other religious zealots there are in the world, but not the only ones who engage in the judgmental behavior.

In the case of an abused child, there is no question that a terrible wrong is being committed upon a person too young or incapable of understanding how to deal with that situation. Adult intervention is usually necessary, many times to save the child from harm. A friend of mine is a social worker for the state and she's told me some horrible things folks to do their children. I think the most horrific was of a home she went to where the mother had her two children tied up, gagged, and hanging from hooks on the wall. That was her was of punishing and keeping them out of her way. They were immediately taken away...they did not have to go back to that.

Sadly, the homeless are looked upon as lazy and no good. homelessness can happen to anyone...no one is immuned to hard times, and not all are able to pick themselves up and regroup.

Many people like to go by a philosophy "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Not me. "do unto others as you would want them to do unto those you love" is mine.

Many people like to go by a philosophy "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Not me. "do unto others as you would want them to do unto those you love" is mine.

Thats a really good way to see things. I could really care less what people do to me. Mental and physical pain is of no concern to me, but I do care about my family and wouldn't want them to suffer either one. Thanks youslayme, I will definately use this philosophy.

Thats a really good way to see things. I could really care less what people do to me. Mental and physical pain is of no concern to me, but I do care about my family and wouldn't want them to suffer either one. Thanks youslayme, I will definately use this philosophy.

You are welcome, Evil, but there is no need to thank me...i've no doubt you've practiced this many, many times. Yes, it is a hard-knock life, but what we don't mind enduring, we don't want to see our loved ones face.

:good:

Judemental to me means holding something against someone, feeling it makes you a better person than they are. Recognizing flaws is not judgement, sterotypes are not judgement. We have a law system to do this so we don't have to.

everyone judges always. It's the "not having the truth" part that is usually missing from this. People judge others based upon what they think, not based upon the truth.

everyone judges always. It's the "not having the truth" part that is usually missing from this. People judge others based upon what they think, not based upon the truth.

what are you talking about. if someone is whitnessed abusing a child than im pretty sure our judgment is based on the truth that they are a child abuser.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. So it would be fair to judge that person, because you have a grounding of truth in order to make that judgement. This judgement that they are a child abuser is a not based upon what the person doing the act may think is right, since they are doing it, but based upon something else, which is based upon truth. That very truth goes all the way back to the Bible... http://bible.cc/luke/17-2.htm anyway, truth that we have made our very laws come from the 10 commandments, those are given to Moses by God. This is where truth comes from. Not from the internet or wherever you think you have found it from.

yeah you were rambling a bit. Sounds like you have a real conundrum on your hands...

Maybe you can figure it out within your dogmatic atheistic worldview? let me know what you come up with. I'd be interested to hear your take on it mr. Basowns.

It was merely a question to set up a discussion. I think discussion rather than blind obedience to scripture written by people who thoguht the world was flat is important. But if you feel personal attacks are more important than critical analysis then so be it

ps. I'm not an athiest, sorry to burst your bubble.

I can't find the personal attack. Help please.

I can't find the personal attack. Help please.

It doesn't matter, the personal attack rule no longer applies.

As a mod approves of personal insults, I guess ninja's restriction no longer applies.

LOL ok...

That's exactly what I'm talking about. So it would be fair to judge that person, because you have a grounding of truth in order to make that judgement. This judgement that they are a child abuser is a not based upon what the person doing the act may think is right, since they are doing it, but based upon something else, which is based upon truth. That very truth goes all the way back to the Bible... http://bible.cc/luke/17-2.htm anyway, truth that we have made our very laws come from the 10 commandments, those are given to Moses by God. This is where truth comes from. Not from the internet or wherever you think you have found it from.

not every law comes from the ten commandments. i dont the legality of marijuana was discussed on the tablets Moses had, for example.

that was dumb.