If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as follows:

* He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in cosmos (Laplace's "World Spirit").
* He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping is no god.
* He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can't do, he certainly is not omnipotent.
* He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced. But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.
* He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?
The theodicé problem

We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?

I don't know why evil exists, but it does a good job demonstrating why it is not worthy of life. Nothing replaces experience.

That opinion implys a "what if" it's potential may not be it's outcome.

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Yes, but what do you think about God being unable to be Good if there is evil in the world? He must be neutral. If he is pure and good he cannot do evil, so why does it exist? or why do we believe it does?

this is the point

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Yes, but what do you think about God being unable to be Good if there is evil in the world? He must be neutral. If he is pure and good he cannot do evil, so why does it exist? or why do we believe it does?

this is the point

I tried and explain evil as a demonstration of wrong through experience.

Getting deep, but try and stick with me here. If 1/3 the angels left from heaven they didn't share God's values. Earth is a demonstration of good and evil in an environment of freewill. Seeing these things let's us learn from experience why morality must be valued. Both good and evil walk this earth and they do as they please. We punish wrong doing in civilization, only showing morality is a must for a functioning society.

Don't quote me on that, that's nothing in the bible it's just my opinion. Now, realistically. I don't have an answer to that question, except my belief of all being set right on judgement day.

This is why you can argue faith all day long, because it's just that. I see the logic being stated, it just doesn't share my values.

I see the logic being stated, it just doesn't share my values.

Faith by definition is illogical.

faith |fāθ|
noun
1 complete trust or confidence in someone or something : this restores one's faith in politicians.
2 strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
• a system of religious belief : the Christian faith.
• a strongly held belief or theory : the faith that life will expand until it fills the universe.

Faith by definition is illogical.

feeling by science is illogical, but it certainly exsits.

* He must be able to do anything.

if god played hide and go seek with himself, how long would it take him to find himself? If he is omnipresent would there even be a place for him to hide?

feeling by science is illogical, but it certainly exsits.

how do you feel by science? Science is used to explain things.

I Earth is a demonstration of good and evil in an environment of freewill.


If God is omnipotent why does he have to demonstrate anything? What has he got to prove? Who does he need to explain things to?

how do you feel by science? Science is used to explain things.

Science does not conflict with my beliefs, it's simply a way of understanding. But science can only gauge what we can measure. life, feelings, cannot be measured but are what drive us.

If God is omnipotent why does he have to demonstrate anything? What has he got to prove? Who does he need to explain things to?

He wants his creations to love him willingly, what does it mean if abunch of robots love you? By being put in a world of good and evil, we're given the opportunity to choose. If you don't desire to serve God, you don't have to. There's just no future in it.

If I wanted an army of trustworthy followers, I can't think of a better way to recruit. If he poped in and said "hi, I'm God I made you. wanna see some magic tricks?" You'd know and facts would get in the way of faith. People will follow out of fear and obligation, rather than freewill.

He is a boogeyman

He wants his creations to love him willingly, what does it mean if abunch of robots love you? By being put in a world of good and evil, we're given the opportunity to choose. If you don't desire to serve God, you don't have to.

Love me or burn in eternal torment forever is hardly a choice.

Love me or burn in eternal torment forever is hardly a choice.

For real, eternal torment ftw.

For real, eternal torment ftw.

George W. Bush said that if you were not with his coalition of the willing then you are against his coalition. We all can agree that is an inane statement. So why do we think that we are given a choice when 1 option is eternal joy and the only other option is to rot in hell forever.

This is not a choice. If I take a knife to your throat and tie you up with rope and give you the option of doing everything I say or I will cut you into tiny pieces and torture you until you die, what choice will you make?

George W. Bush said that if you were not with his coalition of the willing then you are against his coalition. We all can agree that is an inane statement. So why do we think that we are given a choice when 1 option is eternal joy and the only other option is to rot in hell forever.

This is not a choice. If I take a knife to your throat and tie you up with rope and give you the option of doing everything I say or I will cut you into tiny pieces and torture you until you die, what choice will you make?

considering we'll all die, it's not much of a choice. suffering and what not, can't help you there. I just felt I was worthy of it at one time or another.

Do you agree or not that the choice that Christians believe in is a fallacy, no one wants to rot in hell forever so they HAVE to choose Gods rules.


Do you agree to this?

Do you agree or not that the choice that Christians believe in is a fallacy, no one wants to rot in hell forever so they HAVE to choose Gods rules.


Do you agree to this?

It's not a fallacy, All those who suffer, suffer for a reason. I don't know what happens to good people that are not christians, it's called a day of judgement, not a day of christians go to heaven unbelievers go to hell. I have craved a great deal of wicked things, not according to the bible but according to the sick gratification it gave me. Maybe not everyone needs a guide, but I know I do.

Bloodshot, i just want to thank you for actually being a christian and understanding that not everyone needs to be one. reps.

Bloodshot, i just want to thank you for actually being a christian and understanding that not everyone needs to be one. reps.

I wouldn't say that, but I respect others choices.