Celestial Teapot

[GiantRobotDelux]

Bertrand Russell

If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.

Richard Dawkins

The reason organized religion merits outright hostility is that, unlike belief in Russell's teapot, religion is powerful, influential, tax-exempt and systematically passed on to children too young to defend themselves. Children are not compelled to spend their formative years memorizing loony books about teapots. Government-subsidized schools don't exclude children whose parents prefer the wrong shape of teapot. Teapot-believers don't stone teapot-unbelievers, teapot-apostates, teapot-heretics and teapot-blasphemers to death. Mothers don't warn their sons off marrying teapot-shiksas whose parents believe in three teapots rather than one. People who put the milk in first don't kneecap those who put the tea in first.

[GiantRobotDelux]

bump

[Bloodshot]

that's a low blow, if it cannot be proven but serves a good purpose and betters humanity that is a terrible comparison and is out of nothing but will to prove nothingness. And for the slow by nothingness I mean that life is pointless.

I could easily be argued and proven wrong. But my feeling overwhelms my proof. And if you love anyone in your life you're no different. If that's not more important to you than anything else it's not love.

p.s. weeb, I'm not better than you. This is my opinion, show me one of those lovely christ pics so I can neg it again.

[GiantRobotDelux]

that's a low blow, if it cannot be proven but serves a good purpose and betters humanity that is a terrible comparison and is out of nothing but will to prove nothingness. And for the slow by nothingness I mean that life is pointless.

I could easily be argued and proven wrong. But my feeling overwhelms my proof. And if you love anyone in your life you're no different. If that's not more important to you than anything else it's not love.

p.s. weeb, I'm not better than you. This is my opinion, show me one of those lovely christ pics so I can neg it again.

suspend your belief for a moment and try to believe that man created god to give himself a purpose. A point to his life besides, eat, sleep, work, fuck, die.
we are animals. Animals who can reason conductively. If you want to understand how something works you don't study the most outrageous possibility you study the basic facts of life.
"god did it" is the worst explanation of all time, its bland, not specific, and although god bring billions of people hope and faith does not mean reasonable to conclude that god exists.
You can love someone without feeling like God gives you love to give.. athiests feel love too.

[GiantRobotDelux]

Also, a low blow? Can you actually argue anything in the statements of these two men?

[Bloodshot]

suspend your belief for a moment and try to believe that man created god to give himself a purpose. A point to his life besides, eat, sleep, work, fuck, die.
we are animals. Animals who can reason conductively. If you want to understand how something works you don't study the most outrageous possibility you study the basic facts of life.
"god did it" is the worst explanation of all time, its bland, not specific, and although god bring billions of people hope and faith does not mean reasonable to conclude that god exists.
You can love someone without feeling like God gives you love to give.. athiests feel love too.

Okay, I see your point. But look at it in the bounds of christian. You say anthiests feel love to. The reason I argue so hard is because love is freewill.

Now, out of my christian mind set. I understand EVERYTHING you are saying, and it is certainly most logical. But it's not full-proof. I need a 100% proof, and the only way to achieve that in this state of existance is faith.

I'm not trying to say "THIS IS RIGHT" I'm here to debate, anger free. :)

God may have created man to give himself a purpose. That sounds logical even in terms of faith for me.

[Bloodshot]

Also, a low blow? Can you actually argue anything in the statements of these two men?

it's implications are what I find as a low blow. If it's not proven it's purely opinion, they treat it as factual evidence against faith in God.

I guess Christians do it to a certain extent, but they call it faith not fact.

[GiantRobotDelux]

it's implications are what I find as a low blow. If it's not proven it's purely opinion, they treat it as factual evidence against faith in God.

I guess Christians do it to a certain extent, but they call it faith not fact.

very valid point. The celestial tea pot is more of a hipothetical theory.. I don't think anyone including Russel believes this is anything more then an equally believable alternative to viewing faith. I not feel this is a low blow.. because it's logical and reasonable.

[GiantRobotDelux]

Okay, I see your point. But look at it in the bounds of christian. You say anthiests feel love to. The reason I argue so hard is because love is freewill.

Now, out of my christian mind set. I understand EVERYTHING you are saying, and it is certainly most logical. But it's not full-proof. I need a 100% proof, and the only way to achieve that in this state of existance is faith.

I'm not trying to say "THIS IS RIGHT" I'm here to debate, anger free. :)

God may have created man to give himself a purpose. That sounds logical even in terms of faith for me.


Love = Freewill. Are not all of your actions and thoughts an act of free will? I mean.. you don't choose to love something, you just do. If you can turn the emotion off and on on a whim.. its most likely not love. Is that not reasonable?

This could be a fine debate.


IMHO making the claim that in order to have 100% proof in anything is to have small bit of faith in its validity is completly valid. You have to accept something as truth to find anything false, correct?

[Bloodshot]

Love = Freewill. Are not all of your actions and thoughts an act of free will?

That's what I'm argueing. Before you were even given a chance to think, I believe this opportunity was given to you. Our opinions are pointless if we do not know where we truely came from. I believe that feeling is all that is important in life. And I don't think people can argue that. Their love is all that is of value when they're about to die. And by about to die all I mean to imply is you're not thinking about yourself, for you understand your fate regardless if you accept it.

and no, it's not unreasonable at all. It's logical, outside the reason of faith.

[Bloodshot]

IMHO making the claim that in order to have 100% proof in anything is to have small bit of faith in its validity is completly valid. You have to accept something as truth to find anything false, correct?

Exactly. Because if you believe what I believe, all cannot be proven, because God exists and he cannot be proven for if proof existed it would delete the purpose of faith. Which is what religion is built around.

[GiantRobotDelux]

That's what I'm argueing. Before you were even given a chance to think, I believe this opportunity was given to you.

I also agree that your senses are the most important part of your life (E.G "feeling")

But why would you think you were given this opportunity? If it is because you were told.. well.. then I'm never going to understand. :sifone:

[GiantRobotDelux]

I am not one of those athiests that can personally believe that people have faith in the existance of an all mighty because they are weak or stupid.. so I don't want to come off like that FYI.

[Bloodshot]

I also agree that your senses are the most important part of your life (E.G "feeling")

But why would you think you were given this opportunity? If it is because you were told.. well.. then I'm never going to understand. :sifone:

I haven't felt anything more overwhelming in feeling than being close to God. When you feel something you know it's real, that's the way love works.

True faith is something you have to find on your own, no word can convince you but that of yourself. My only purpose is to honor something greater than myself and not betray that entity as long as I walk this earth.

[Bloodshot]

I am not one of those athiests that can personally believe that people have faith in the existance of an all mighty because they are weak or stupid.. so I don't want to come off like that FYI.

You haven't been coming off that way, but it's good to know. I want to have reason for every action I make, if I don't it's not important. I hope you stump me on a question, I really do. But when it comes to beliefs your facts don't really hold bounds, that's why argueing religion is impossible to figure out until the final cards have been dealt.

[Bloodshot]

When you feel something you know it's real, that's the way love works.


bad analogy, all that glitters is not gold.

[GiantRobotDelux]

I haven't felt anything more overwhelming in feeling than being close to God. When you feel something you know it's real, that's the way love works.

True faith is something you have to find on your own, no word can convince you but that of yourself. My only purpose is to honor something greater than myself and not betray that entity as long as I walk this earth.


I see what you're saying.. our senses dictate to us our reality.

If you feel a closeness to God and that empowers you to have meaning in your actions that is very interesting to me. What I do not understand is how you can know what you're feeling is God, you can believe it is God, but you cannot know. That is the most puzzling thing about religious people to me.. they act and speak as if they "know" when they base their feelings on pure non-factual faith.

Another interesting idea to think about is if your connection is really to God at all.. or is it to the Earth and its powerful laws and forces. Also, could it not be a chemical reaction in your brain that makes you feel loved when you suspend your disbelief? Perhaps in some people they can create this reaction by believing something peaceful, posative, and pure.

Good posting Bloodshot.

[GiantRobotDelux]

Also, its interesting to note that reasoning is an entirely mental process, it can but does not necessarily require your senses to pick something up, faith is also a mental process that can effect your senses in the same way.

So although one may be able to reason himself into believing in an almighty who controls all it is just as easy for another to reason his way out of that belief. When you make analogies it helps to understand both sides.. but I find disproving something I cannot pick up with my sight, touch, hearing, or taste alot easier then proving something I cannot pickup with these senses.

[GiantRobotDelux]

double post

[Evil]

Richard Dawkins believes in the possibility for an intelligent creator so why cant you?

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[Evil]

Sorry I couldn't resist. Dawkins is a joke seriously... :gojerkit:

[basowns]

if dawkins is a joke why would his opinion be considered evidence?

[jetjaguar]

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faith in the teapot is the one true path!

war Bertrand Russell!

[weeb]

that's a low blow, if it cannot be proven but serves a good purpose and betters humanity that is a terrible comparison and is out of nothing but will to prove nothingness. And for the slow by nothingness I mean that life is pointless.

I could easily be argued and proven wrong. But my feeling overwhelms my proof. And if you love anyone in your life you're no different. If that's not more important to you than anything else it's not love.

p.s. weeb, I'm not better than you. This is my opinion, show me one of those lovely christ pics so I can neg it again.

it bettered humanity; it's no longer relevant. because Christianity has been proven wrong, it gives the less intelligent people reason to become defensive, yet overbearing, excessively dominant characters that have adverse side effects on society.

http://spd.fotologs.net/photo/29/18/33/chikob/1191866467_f.jpg

[weeb]

Sorry I couldn't resist. Dawkins is a joke seriously... :gojerkit:

dawkins is real. i can find him and prove his existence. can you do the same to jesus?

[Bloodshot]

I also agree that your senses are the most important part of your life (E.G "feeling")

But why would you think you were given this opportunity?

My grandfather gave an opinion on this, he's a wise man I look up to him alot but he looks at it faith from a logical aspect. "don't expect everything you think to be right." Here's what he thought the point of life was. The fact that 1/3 the angels left from heaven is what started all of this. God is using man to show the conceqences of sin in a place of freewill.

Who knows.

[Bloodshot]

it bettered humanity; it's no longer relevant. because Christianity has been proven wrong, it gives the less intelligent people reason to become defensive, yet overbearing, excessively dominant characters that have adverse side effects on society.

http://spd.fotologs.net/photo/29/18/33/chikob/1191866467_f.jpg

are you calling christians defensive? Take a look in the mirror. Christianity has NOT been proven wrong, only criticized.

I'm through picking on you, I welcome all insults, let's hear em. :) This is why the earth must be cleansed.

[Evil]

if dawkins is a joke why would his opinion be considered evidence?

He's a hypocrite that is all I'm saying. Here's a direct quote from Rickard Dawkins. "There could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible and beyond our present understanding." But he will not admit the possibility of a God, this makes his credibility less than zero IMHO.

[Evil]

dawkins is real. i can find him and prove his existence. can you do the same to jesus?

Jesus has already proved himself by entering my heart and changing me for the better every single day. I pray he does the same for everyone.

[lancaster]

He's a hypocrite that is all I'm saying. Here's a direct quote from Rickard Dawkins. "There could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible and beyond our present understanding." But he will not admit the possibility of a God, this makes his credibility less than zero IMHO.

The full quote:


in Dawkins's words, "there could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible beyond our understanding." That's God, said Collins. Yes, but it could be any of billions of Gods, replied Dawkins: "the chance of its being a particular God, Yahweh, the God of Jesus, is vanishingly small." In other words, the God of a particular scripture and tradition is a parochial and inherently improbable notion. But the idea of some kind of creator, said Dawkins, "does seem to be a worthy idea. Refutable -- but nevertheless grand and big enough to be worthy of respect."

[GiantRobotDelux]

^ :applause:

[Evil]

in Dawkins's words, "there could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible beyond our understanding." That's God, said Collins. Yes, but it could be any of billions of Gods, replied Dawkins: "the chance of its being a particular God, Yahweh, the God of Jesus, is vanishingly small." In other words, the God of a particular scripture and tradition is a parochial and inherently improbable notion. But the idea of some kind of creator, said Dawkins, "does seem to be a worthy idea. Refutable -- but nevertheless grand and big enough to be worthy of respect."


Allah, Buddah, Jesus, Yawhe or whatever name you want to give to it, there can only be one God

If its not God then what is it Aliens?

[weeb]

lol. so basic.

[Lord Krishna]

buddha is not a god, he is just a teacher

[Evil]

buddha is not a god, he is just a teacher

Then what was Jesus?

[weeb]

jesus didn't exist. the image or jesus portrayed by the bible comes off as a liar, though.

[Evil]

jesus didn't exist. the image or jesus portrayed by the bible comes off as a liar, though.

I liar how?

[weeb]

because he isn't the son of god.

[Lord Krishna]

Then what was Jesus?

over rated

[Evil]

because he isn't the son of god.

Now that we have this established I have another question. Without a way out of sin, no one has a chance for afterlife. We are no better than any other animals on earth. Is Murder wrong?

[lancaster]

over rated

Zing!

[Judoka]

Now that we have this established I have another question. Without a way out of sin, no one has a chance for afterlife. We are no better than any other animals on earth. Is Murder wrong?

you always go back to that. Murder is wrong BECAUSE there is no afterlife. Youre taking the only life a person has to live. No one is as obsessed with murder as much as your are. You have to be a sociopath. Good thing youre afraid of the boogyman or else you would be a serial killer.

[weeb]

Now that we have this established I have another question. Without a way out of sin, no one has a chance for afterlife. We are no better than any other animals on earth. Is Murder wrong?

your arguments are so basic. read some other literature besides the bible.

[Evil]

your arguments are so basic. read some other literature besides the bible.

If they are so basic strike them down.

I didn't like life without God, putting some people into the afterlife seems like it could be doing them a favor.

[Bloodshot]

If they are so basic strike them down.

I didn't like life without God, putting some people into the afterlife seems like it could be doing them a favor.

He can't grasp the concept of something greater than himself and others around him.

And I agree 100%, while there is alot in life worth living for, I didn't enjoy it without God. Crossed boundries tell there was nothing left I wanted to cross, leaving me feeling empty and bitter.

[Evil]

you always go back to that. Murder is wrong BECAUSE there is no afterlife. Youre taking the only life a person has to live. No one is as obsessed with murder as much as your are. You have to be a sociopath. Good thing youre afraid of the boogyman or else you would be a serial killer.

Are you a vegetarian?

[Judoka]

Are you a vegetarian?

you're an idiot. you contradict yourself more times than the bible. we are talking about people, not animals. You always say they are different. Now they are the same? You're a moron and a joke.

[Judoka]

He can't grasp the concept of something greater than himself and others around him.

And I agree 100%, while there is alot in life worth living for, I didn't enjoy it without God. Crossed boundries tell there was nothing left I wanted to cross, leaving me feeling empty and bitter.

I disagree 100%. Weeb has said several times that the universe is bigger than him and he will never fully understand it. You are usually above this. I'm disappointed.

[weeb]

He can't grasp the concept of something greater than himself and others around him.

And I agree 100%, while there is alot in life worth living for, I didn't enjoy it without God. Crossed boundries tell there was nothing left I wanted to cross, leaving me feeling empty and bitter.

you presume to know all of my beliefs, because i don't believe in the bible's god you decide where i stand.

[Judoka]

you presume to know all of my beliefs, because i don't believe in the bible's god you decide where i stand.

thats called being a christian.

[Bloodshot]

you presume to know all of my beliefs, because i don't believe in the bible's god you decide where i stand.

I don't presume anything. I only recognize your criticism of others beliefs.

[Bloodshot]

thats called being a christian.

^

That attitude is what starts wars, not christianity.

[weeb]

I don't presume anything. I only recognize your criticism of others beliefs.

TS started this thread to criticize religious beliefs, so that's what i aim to do when i post here. if you want a thread that praises christianity, start one... i'll be sure to stay out of it.

also, quit being so arrogant. you criticize others' beliefs just as much as anyone else here. you think you know the bros here, but you haven't been here long enough to know anyone's beliefs, especially mine.

[Bloodshot]

TS started this thread to criticize religious beliefs, so that's what i aim to do when i post here. if you want a thread that praises christianity, start one... i'll be sure to stay out of it.

also, quit being so arrogant. you criticize others' beliefs just as much as anyone else here. you think you know the bros here, but you haven't been here long enough to know anyone's beliefs, especially mine.

I've said it before I'll say it again, I'm here to debate and further understand my beliefs. I don't mean to come off as a prick, I try not to put myself above anyone. I don't criticize, I ask for a further explanation. Don't take it so personally, I made an ignorant comment earlier about assuming your beliefs. And I apologized, get over it. Don't hold me to one statement or influence you feel I'm putting on you.

[weeb]

lol, one statement

[Bloodshot]

lol, one statement

I pick on you. Like I said, you take it way too personally.

[weeb]

you pick on me? cool guy, want my lunch money?

[Bloodshot]

you pick on me? cool guy, want my lunch money?

You're like my previous girl friends, easy to fuck and I don't give a shit what they have to say.

[Judoka]

You're like my previous girl friends, easy to fuck and I don't give a shit what they have to say.

pre-marital sex is a sin.

[Evil]

you're an idiot. you contradict yourself more times than the bible. we are talking about people, not animals. You always say they are different. Now they are the same? You're a moron and a joke.

Don't avoid the question. Are you a vegetarian?

[Bloodshot]

pre-marital sex is a sin.

Tell me about it..

[Judoka]

Don't avoid the question. Are you a vegetarian?

oh sorry i was taking your lead. you've avoided pretty much every question ive ever asked you. So fuck you. You're half-assed attempts at pwning me are played out. No i am not a vegetarian, neither was Jesus. I eat animals that are raised for the purpose of eating. I do not kill these animals myself. How is your question relevant?

[Evil]

oh sorry i was taking your lead. you've avoided pretty much every question ive ever asked you. So fuck you. You're half-assed attempts at pwning me are played out. No i am not a vegetarian, neither was Jesus. I eat animals that are raised for the purpose of eating. I do not kill these animals myself. How is your question relevant?


Why should this matter?


It's not my fault you can't hold a civil conversation, calm down and don't take thing so personally.

[Judoka]

Why should this matter?


It's not my fault you can't hold a civil conversation, calm down and don't take thing so personally.

again you've avoided my question. These animals are already dead when they get to me. I am merely fulfilling their intended purpose by eating them and not letting their death be in vain. I am returning them to the circle of life. What is your point?

[weeb]

Why should this matter?


It's not my fault you can't hold a civil conversation, calm down and don't take thing so personally.

why do you think people take forum talk seriously? it's merely having a motivated discussion.

[Evil]

you're an idiot.

so fuck you

why do you think people take forum talk seriously? it's merely having a motivated discussion.

Yeah keep telling yourself that. I wonder if this is how Judoka would discuss things with his family and I highly doubt he would say this to my face. Not that it bothers me, it's just impossible to take him seriously.


What is your point?

Wait and see.

[weeb]

what does naughty language have to do with taking things personally?

[Evil]

what does naughty language have to do with taking things personally?

I'm not going to play your game.

[weeb]

game? like this?

http://wylfwt.com/home/files/images/CrucifyJesus.jpg

[Evil]

game? like this?

http://wylfwt.com/home/files/images/CrucifyJesus.jpg

Why are you trying to ruin this sub forum? This is for serious conversations, if you can't grasp that concept please stop posting in here.

[weeb]

i really don't care much... lol, a philosophy forum with a christian mod

[lancaster]

again you've avoided my question. These animals are already dead when they get to me. I am merely fulfilling their intended purpose by eating them and not letting their death be in vain. I am returning them to the circle of life. What is your point?

I'm not sure what Evil's point is, but let's run with it. Judoka, that answer is a cop out. Those animals were raised with the intention that you were going to eat them. So you did kill them even if you didn't wield the knife yourself. In fact, their squalid living conditions and pitiful short lives are due to you personally. Own responsibility for your actions.

Evil, if you want a vegetarian for your point you can pick me.

[weeb]

i am not a vegetarian, but i have considered it. i don't really like the taste of meat that much, but i wonder if i'll crave it.

[Evil]

Murder is wrong BECAUSE there is no afterlife. Youre taking the only life a person has to live.


I asked Judoka if he was a vegetarian because of this quote and after jumping through some hoops to get an answer he confirmed that he is NOT a vegetarian. Now without trying to be a dick or insult you I'm interested why not. Surely in a world without God animals have just as much right to live as humans. What gives you the right to take the only life that animal has?

[Lord Krishna]

I asked Judoka if he was a vegetarian because of this quote and after jumping through some hoops to get an answer he confirmed that he is NOT a vegetarian. Now without trying to be a dick or insult you I'm interested why not. Surely in a world without God animals have just as much right to live as humans. What gives you the right to take the only life that animal has?

The same reason a lion hunts it's prey.

[Judoka]

Yeah keep telling yourself that. I wonder if this is how Judoka would discuss things with his family and I highly doubt he would say this to my face. Not that it bothers me, it's just impossible to take him seriously.


I talk to lots of people this way, family included. I talk to weeb this way daily, face to face. And i would say it to your face. What would you do?

This Jesus you speak of I know, but who the hell are you? Just because you think you're better than everyone else doesn't mean that you are.

[Judoka]

I asked Judoka if he was a vegetarian because of this quote and after jumping through some hoops to get an answer he confirmed that he is NOT a vegetarian. Now without trying to be a dick or insult you I'm interested why not. Surely in a world without God animals have just as much right to live as humans. What gives you the right to take the only life that animal has?

Rights are an illusion.

I eat them because its the easiest form of protein available. Besides, we are higher up in the food chain.

Killing an animal for food is VERY VERY different than murder. The animal lived its live to produce meat. If i eat the meat then the animal's life had purpose.

If i kill the animal and leave it there to rot then it's life served no purpose. This would make the killing a useless act of violence which we can agree is a bad thing.

[lancaster]

Killing an animal for food is VERY VERY different than murder.

I think this is one of those blurry lines.

Killing an animal for food is survival. We agree that is okay. But what about murdering a person for survival? I don't mean eating that person. Say that person is killing (and wasting) the limited supply of animals? Then murdering that person would be ensuring our survival. We can contrive all sorts of scenarios where murdering a person would directly benefit our own survival.

The animal lived its live to produce meat. If i eat the meat then the animal's life had purpose.

What if the animal is being consumed by an obese gluttonous person. Then there is no purpose to that animal's death.

Evil, are you are arguing that all killing is wrong? I'm not sure I agree with that, but at least it is a consistent viewpoint.

[Judoka]

He isn't arguing that all killing is wrong. He surfs the net looking for videos of people getting blown away. He's trying to make me contradict myself. As far as i can see he wishes murder was condoned by his God. He's certainly obsessed enough with it.

All this discussion is proving is that there are no absolutes. I believe that killing someone can be done with good intentions. But again, there are two logical sides to this situation. If you kill a bad person he can no longer cause harm. But what if his harm was helping someone else and we put those people back into danger by killing someone who was trying to help them. If you realize good and bad aren't absolute then "what if" seems silly.

[Evil]

Rights are an illusion.

I eat them because its the easiest form of protein available. Besides, we are higher up in the food chain.

Killing an animal for food is VERY VERY different than murder. The animal lived its live to produce meat. If i eat the meat then the animal's life had purpose.

If i kill the animal and leave it there to rot then it's life served no purpose. This would make the killing a useless act of violence which we can agree is a bad thing.


So as long as I eat the people I kill it's ok? Just trying to understand your logic.

[Judoka]

People are animals, but not all animals are equal. If you'd bothered to read I've answered your question in an earlier post. Although this wording is a big disturbing. But I suppose if you kill someone and eat him because you're on a desert island or stuck in an ice cave after a plane crash that would be more just than just killing him because he annoyed you.

[Judoka]

So as long as I eat the people I kill it's ok? Just trying to understand your logic.

and its usually not a person's role in life to be a food source to you. Many animals serve this exact purpose.

[Evil]

and its usually not a person's role in life to be a food source to you. Many animals serve this exact purpose.


According to whom, mans traditions?

[Judoka]

religion is also on of man's traditions. But i eat animals because they taste good.

[Evil]

People are animals, but not all animals are equal. If you'd bothered to read I've answered your question in an earlier post. Although this wording is a big disturbing. But I suppose if you kill someone and eat him because you're on a desert island or stuck in an ice cave after a plane crash that would be more just than just killing him because he annoyed you.


From this statement I must assume that not all people are equal. Could you explain who these people are?

[Judoka]

From this statement I must assume that not all people are equal. Could you explain who these people are?

Well there's this girl i like to have sex with. She has DD titties and a vagina. I have neither of those. Her and I are not equal.

[Evil]

religion is also on of man's traditions. But i eat animals because they taste good.

I'm not religous because it makes me feel good, I'm religous because I feel like its the right thing to do. As far as I can understand by your logic you are not sure if killing animals is right or not you just do it because you want to without regard to these animals lives that should be precious because they only get one.

[Evil]

Well there's this girl i like to have sex with. She has DD titties and a vagina. I have neither of those. Her and I are not equal.

So you base someones worth on how they physically look?

[Judoka]

So you base someones worth on how they physically look?

I never said that. You asked me to show you how people aren't equal. I did. It was never a question of someone's worth.

[Evil]

I never said that. You asked me to show you how people aren't equal. I did. It was never a question of someone's worth.

So you only eat animals if they don't have big titties? See where your logic doesn't hold up to scrutiny? I'm trying to understand your point of vier but its not making sense. Maby you could be more clear to how some animals are not equal.

[Judoka]

your questions don't make sense. You're combining two statements I made that have nothing to do with each other. Learn some reading comprehension then ask a intelligent question. What you are saying is "my logic" is nowhere close.

[Bloodshot]

calm down, before I bring some nonsensical logic up in this bitch.

[Judoka]

ok bloodshot third party, is it me or did his last question really not make any sense? I gave an example of how humans are not equal to one another. He applies that to what animals i choose to eat.

[Evil]

ok bloodshot third party, is it me or did his last question really not make any sense? I gave an example of how humans are not equal to one another. He applies that to what animals i choose to eat.

Are all men (man and woman) created equal? Its a very simple question.

[Bloodshot]

ok bloodshot third party, is it me or did his last question really not make any sense? I gave an example of how humans are not equal to one another. He applies that to what animals i choose to eat.

I found it a bit random, but I also see that he was relating it to you disagreeing with him on more than one account. "i.e. you disagree with me on this, so I'm going to mention something else you disagree with me about"

[Evil]

If animals are not all equal than wouldn't the same be for humans? Whats so hard to understand about what I'm asking? Without free will humans CAN NOT be any better than animals.

[Judoka]

Are all men (man and woman) created equal? Its a very simple question.

I already answered this. The fact that there are men and women show that people aren't equal. It goes beyond the physical too, but i figured that was the easiest to see and understand. People's worth are not equal either. Perhaps potential for worth could be seen as equal by some but in order to do agree with this you would have to disregard learning disabilities and other factors. Burger flippers are easily replaceable, surgeons are not as easily replaced.

[Judoka]

If animals are not all equal than wouldn't the same be for humans? Whats so hard to understand about what I'm asking? Without free will humans CAN NOT be any better than animals.

What makes you think animals don't have free will? I'm pretty sure if you fucked with a lion in africa using your god given free will he would use his nature given free will to eat you.

[Bloodshot]

What makes you think animals don't have free will? I'm pretty sure if you fucked with a lion in africa using your god given free will he would use his nature given free will to eat you.

their instincts overwhelm freewill. IMO

[Evil]

I already answered this. The fact that there are men and women show that people aren't equal. It goes beyond the physical too, but i figured that was the easiest to see and understand. People's worth are not equal either. Perhaps potential for worth could be seen as equal by some but in order to do agree with this you would have to disregard learning disabilities and other factors. Burger flippers are easily replaceable, surgeons are not as easily replaced.

Do you agree with this statement?

"Nature . . . puts living creatures on this globe and watches the free play of forces. She then confers the master's right on her favourite child, the strongest in courage and industry . . . The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel."