Most people who don't believe in a deity think religion is pretty silly. But one religion in particular, Christianity, seems to raise a lot of hatred and anger.

Why is this? Why doesn't anyone feel hatred towards the Ancient Greek religion or the religion of the Australian aborigines or the religion of the Polynesian Islanders?

Is it just because we are more familiar with Christianity and the abhorrent acts done in it's name? Or is there something particular about Christianity (and Scientology too for that matter, because it is also vehemently despised) that inspires this hatred?

because Christianity is a hypocrisy. at least most other religions you actually have to do good to get into "heaven."

Christianity is used to dupe the public into thinking they are morally superior to people in other nations. the stories arn't realistic. you dont have to do fuck all to get into heaven but repent. It's a uniter used by the slave owners to control the slaves.

the only reason people believe it is because it uses real places and scenery in its description. its no more real then the LDS.

also,

Jesus is an ideal invented for midrash of Scripture.

The Jewish people migrated from Central Asia into the Semitic areas of the Near East. It was subject to a lot of hostility and oppression. The Jewish religion grew in that environment. Starting as a people of nomads and itinerant craftsmen, it evolved into a people of merchants. At this stage, literacy became important.

The sect of the Essenes demonstrated elaborate community ethics. Their messianic expectations in the Diaspora gave cause to the formation of Christianity.

Christianity was thus a tool for survival of the diaspora Jews. It became more and more popular among the high society of the Roman empire. An authoritarian class of priests thus was established once Christianity took over the rule of the Empire.


this is why I hate on Jesus.

i dislike christians because when i tell them i don't believe in jesus christ and they automatically think i don't believe in god like motherfuckin christianity is the only religion out there.

It's the way it is.. It affects our own little world of peace and understanding, we can't have that, we have to know we're right.

Ignorance is bliss, so is faith.

Christianity is used to dupe the public into thinking they are morally superior to people in other nations. the stories arn't realistic. you dont have to do fuck all to get into heaven but repent. It's a uniter used by the slave owners to control the slaves.


Yep, It has been used to exploit the populace for a millenia. Much in the same way the hardcore christians are lumped in with republicans now. they know that if they appease their delusional wants they can control the vote of the bible belt (and a few elections as a result).

That being said, the elephant in the room is Islam. I'd take our national religion to be christianity over that anyday. But they are very similar in that their values are centered around controlling a populace. Faith = subservience to a value system that's not rational and can be used to kill others.

Look at hinduism or buddhism. You don't see crusades or terrorism in the name of meditation.

Yep, It has been used to exploit the populace for a millenia. Much in the same way the hardcore christians are lumped in with republicans now. they know that if they appease their delusional wants they can control the vote of the bible belt (and a few elections as a result).

That being said, the elephant in the room is Islam. I'd take our national religion to be christianity over that anyday. But they are very similar in that their values are centered around controlling a populace. Faith = subservience to a value system that's not rational and can be used to kill others.

Look at hinduism or buddhism. You don't see crusades or terrorism in the name of meditation.

i'm down with buddhism. it promotes growth, not how to make people think like you.

Much in the same way the hardcore christians are lumped in with republicans now. they know that if they appease their delusional wants they can control the vote of the bible belt (and a few elections as a result).




I agree, the same way black people always vote for Democrats even if it keeps them in poverty. Something has to change....

Ignorance is bliss, so is faith.

Sorry, what was the difference between ignorance and faith again

Sorry, what was the difference between ignorance and faith again

+1. he doesn't even realize how dumb his arguments sound. he basically just agreed with us that faith is ignorance.

at least bloodshot can appreciate other peoples view. he may not agree but he doesnt condemn us to hell like others on this forum including the mod.

at least bloodshot can appreciate other peoples view. he may not agree but he doesnt condemn us to hell like others on this forum including the mod.

Funny how you don't think I can appreciate others people views considering I useto be an athiest and an agnostic. I'm sorry if you feel like I'm condemning other faiths but I'm really not, all I'm doing is trying to help people see the truth that I see. Its nothing personal and I definitely am not here to judge anyone. If I was to judge you than I wouldn't be a very good Christian because half the point of having faith is forgiving other people so that God can forgive me when that time comes.

Funny how you don't think I can appreciate others people views considering I useto be an athiest and an agnostic. I'm sorry if you feel like I'm condemning other faiths but I'm really not, all I'm doing is trying to help people see the truth that I see. Its nothing personal and I definitely am not here to judge anyone. If I was to judge you than I wouldn't be a very good Christian because half the point of having faith is forgiving other people so that God can forgive me when that time comes.

the bible teaches that all other faiths are wrong and invalid...."I am the way,the truth and the light,no-one gets to the father except by me".
So y wouldnt u condemn other faiths and y feel sorry for condemning them?

the bible teaches that all other faiths are wrong and invalid...."I am the way,the truth and the light,no-one gets to the father except by me".
So y wouldnt u condemn other faiths and y feel sorry for condemning them?


Its up to each individual to find out the truth for themselves. I can only help guide people to the same truth that I have found. If I was to outright condemn other faiths then the likelihood that the people in those faiths would listen to be would go down substantionally. The only thing I would condemn in not keeping an open mind because then you can't possibly escape ignorance. I don't clame to know everything but I do know God loves everyone and I think it could be possible that there are other ways that God has for people to learn about his sacrifice. But ultimately Jesus was correct when he said ...."I am the way,the truth and the light,no-one gets to the father except by me" . Considering I useto be an atheist I KNOW its possible to find faith in God without being a Christian. I hope this makes sence.

Its up to each individual to find out the truth for themselves. I can only help guide people to the same truth that I have found. If I was to outright condemn other faiths then the likelihood that the people in those faiths would listen to be would go down substantionally. The only thing I would condemn in not keeping an open mind because then you can't possibly escape ignorance. I don't clame to know everything but I do know God loves everyone and I think it could be possible that there are other ways that God has for people to learn about his sacrifice. But ultimately Jesus was correct when he said ...."I am the way,the truth and the light,no-one gets to the father except by me" . Considering I useto be an atheist I KNOW its possible to find faith in God without being a Christian. I hope this makes sence.

sorta...but u just contradicted urself in saying that u believe Jesus when he said "I am the way,the truth and the light,no-one gets to the father except by me" and then u said that "I KNOW its possible to find faith in God without being a Christian" because according to Jesus the Gods outside of christianity are false prophets
u also defy Jesus by saying finding faith in the one true God without being a christian is possible...
do u really believe that salvation can be attained without belief in Jesus?

i mean u either believe Jesus' words wholeheartedly or u dont.
Theres no lukewarm.

im just trying to understand how u think evil.

hmm tough question

Alot of people have christian parents who try to force it on them. Then when they have sex or do anything that might make them feel guilty they blame their upbringing for that dirty feeling underneath their skin.

hmm tough question

Alot of people have christian parents who try to force it on them. Then when they have sex or do anything that might make them feel guilty they blame their upbringing for that dirty feeling underneath their skin.

this is why i no longer am a christian.

80% of Christians wouldn't be so without the forcing of their parents. If some of these people had parents of different faiths then there would be no way they would be christians.

80% of Christians wouldn't be so without the forcing of their parents. If some of these people had parents of different faiths then there would be no way they would be christians.

nah alot of people get recruited later in life too like when they go into rehab they always discover god and shit

whats amusing to me is how followers all of these different offshoot sects of christianity all believe that they r the only ones who know the real truth and that all the others r wrong in their interpretations of the bible.

its pathetic

sorta...but u just contradicted urself in saying that u believe Jesus when he said "I am the way,the truth and the light,no-one gets to the father except by me" and then u said that "I KNOW its possible to find faith in God without being a Christian" because according to Jesus the Gods outside of christianity are false prophets


u also defy Jesus by saying finding faith in the one true God without being a christian is possible...
do u really believe that salvation can be attained without belief in Jesus?



I thought my point was hard to understand so I'll try again. Faith in the sacrifice Jesus made to forgive us from our sins IS the only way to get into heaven short of living a perfect sinless life... My point is God has strange ways of doing things, if it wasn't for my being hardcore athiest I don't think I would had enough interest in spirituality to find my way to Christianity. So without atheism I don't think I would have found Jesus. I know this sounds strange but it is why I don't condemn any religions, I only condemn closed minds.

im just trying to understand how u think evil.

Thant's fine, sometimes I have a hard time translating thoughts into words and it takes me a few tries.

80% of Christians wouldn't be so without the forcing of their parents. If some of these people had parents of different faiths then there would be no way they would be christians.

I'm one of the lucky 20% that figured things out for myself..

I thought my point was hard to understand so I'll try again. Faith in the sacrifice Jesus made to forgive us from our sins IS the only way to get into heaven short of living a perfect sinless life... My point is God has strange ways of doing things, if it wasn't for my being hardcore athiest I don't think I would had enough interest in spirituality to find my way to Christianity. So without atheism I don't think I would have found Jesus. I know this sounds strange but it is why I don't condemn any religions, I only condemn closed minds.

I agree,the christian God surely does have strange ways of doing things.

Like sending his supposed son to earth to die a slow agonizing death at the hands of the evildoers in the hope that his death may somehow save man from eternal damnation.

Its an elaborate and unconvincing plan to save mankind and frankly i'd have thought that if God almighty wanted to let it be known that he exists he could came up with something a bit better than that.
I mean im just a mere person and I dont buy it.....and i know in my heart i dont need religion to be a good person and feel content

I like the story of Jesus alot but the thing is people misinterpret it

Jesus didnt say he was the son of God, he said he was the son of man

Jesus would hang out with prostitutes and other types of sinners, he would never act like he was better or holier than thou, he would probably smoke a bowl with anyone

alot of stuff Jesus said was edited out of the bible

the hugeass empire of Rome went from killing christians to being christians its really a crazy thing when you think about it

imo we all have some sort of christ consciouness or buddha conciousness inside of us and thats what we feel sometimes when we take stuff like LSD

shit I dont know what Im trying to say really but it makes sense to me, when I did LSD for the first time I guess I could really feel my soul and sorta understand the eternal essence, very hard for me to explain how I just sorta became aware of it

thats what a lot of the prophets used to do,take drugs and then prophecize.

its weird how chemically altering the brains function with drugs can cause a person to believe in 'soul' and other imaginary concepts.Our thoughts,emotions and perceptions r the result of physiological brain chemistry.
If the soul was a definite part of our makeup and an awareness of it essential to our eternal well being then y cant we access it without the use of powerful halucinagenics that in fact alter our state in a synthetic manner?

The soul is an imaginary concept,we r the result of brain chemistry.When the brain dies all that makes us unique dies along with it.

So without atheism I don't think I would have found Jesus.

As an atheist, I don't believe in any gods. So what was it that convinced you that 1) gods do exist, and 2) only the Christian god exists, none of the others do?

As an atheist, I don't believe in any gods. So what was it that convinced you that 1) gods do exist, and 2) only the Christian god exists, none of the others do?

God convinced me personally, I had no choice after that.

I can't do this anymore.

nah alot of people get recruited later in life too like when they go into rehab they always discover god and shit

thats why i said 80%. Maybe that number is a little high considering rehab and prisons.

I can't do this anymore.

let it go man

I can't do this anymore.

Jesus didn't tap.

1) It allows people to judge others
2) It allows people to control others
3) It impedes on many people's personal rights.
4) It allows governments to invade and abuse other countries in the name that they're righteous.
5) It creates and promotes mental illness, especially Catholics. through intense guilt conditioning.
6) It creates false beliefs to happiness.

I can't do this anymore.


I think we need to let up on Evil... alot of these threads have become Judeo-Christian hate mongering then actual debate and discussion.

The beauty of this world is that everyone sees it in a different light.

I think not believing in an afterlife gives life more value, Evil may feel the opposite.. that is his right as a citizen of the united states of America and the world, as it is mine as a citizen of Canada and the world.

Freedom of speach = freedom of expression = :ok:

I can't do this anymore.

lol, it's one giant replay. "You're wrong!' "No you're wrong!"

I'm through debating it. Atleast daily.

lol, it's one giant replay. "You're wrong!' "No you're wrong!"

I'm through debating it. Atleast daily.

Thats what debating is, both sides provide their argument along with reasonable justification. No one is wrong. Although the christian alliance sometimes forgoes the latter.

Thats what debating is, both sides provide their argument along with reasonable justification. No one is wrong. Although the christian alliance sometimes forgoes the latter.

and it's all good. But we're not argueing facts. We're not going to prove anything to one another inless a non believer is looking for answers or vise versa. Still think this is a great forum concept. I just find it stressful, sometimes.

thats what a lot of the prophets used to do,take drugs and then prophecize.

its weird how chemically altering the brains function with drugs can cause a person to believe in 'soul' and other imaginary concepts.Our thoughts,emotions and perceptions r the result of physiological brain chemistry.
If the soul was a definite part of our makeup and an awareness of it essential to our eternal well being then y cant we access it without the use of powerful halucinagenics that in fact alter our state in a synthetic manner?

The soul is an imaginary concept,we r the result of brain chemistry.When the brain dies all that makes us unique dies along with it.

Our conciousness is being altered everyday theres nothing sythetic about it. Whether your taking a chemical, having a life experience or listening to a certain song you are always changing your conciousness.

We are the result of brain chemistry and electical impulses. Why do you have to associate the soul with religeon necessarily?

I have only stated the yes the soul exists as the center of my conciousness and yes the Jesus type conciousness does exist and can be jumped started by certain chemical compounds ingested in the right set and setting.

Is it possible that the soul might exist and the explanation of what it is could be perfectly scientific? If anything that sounds more logical that your insistance that you seem to have all the answers to the mysteries of the human consiouness and things are just as simple as to throw them away with a simple one sentence explanation that what I or anyone could be perceiving is simply an anatomical error commited by someone who was in a frezied stupor.

When we go into certain psychedelic states we are not only witnessing whats inside us being mixed around and spun up but what actually is happening is we might be made aware of certain non locality that might exist within our universe. Could I exist in several places at once? Does that make any sense?

The goverments of Russia, China, the USA have all pumped millions of black budget money into remote viewing. Theres no scientific explanantion for why its possible for a person to be able to see something across the planet yet it has been 100% proven to work with documented case studies.

Its funny how the most cutting edge metaphysicist seem to come closer to bridging the gap between science and the paranormal everyday.

I'm not arguing the case for religeon or christianity only that no human should say whether the soul exists or not like its an outright fact. Its just me opinion of course but

:damn: was that a good post I just made

Our conciousness is being altered everyday theres nothing sythetic about it. Whether your taking a chemical, having a life experience or listening to a certain song you are always changing your conciousness.

We are the result of brain chemistry and electical impulses. Why do you have to associate the soul with religeon necessarily?

I have only stated the yes the soul exists as the center of my conciousness and yes the Jesus type conciousness does exist and can be jumped started by certain chemical compounds ingested in the right set and setting.

Is it possible that the soul might exist and the explanation of what it is could be perfectly scientific? If anything that sounds more logical that your insistance that you seem to have all the answers to the mysteries of the human consiouness and things are just as simple as to throw them away with a simple one sentence explanation that what I or anyone could be perceiving is simply an anatomical error commited by someone who was in a frezied stupor.

When we go into certain psychedelic states we are not only witnessing whats inside us being mixed around and spun up but what actually is happening is we might be made aware of certain non locality that might exist within our universe. Could I exist in several places at once? Does that make any sense?

The goverments of Russia, China, the USA have all pumped millions of black budget money into remote viewing. Theres no scientific explanantion for why its possible for a person to be able to see something across the planet yet it has been 100% proven to work with documented case studies.

Its funny how the most cutting edge metaphysicist seem to come closer to bridging the gap between science and the paranormal everyday.

I'm not arguing the case for religeon or christianity only that no human should say whether the soul exists or not like its an outright fact. Its just me opinion of course but

:damn: was that a good post I just made

i think debating over the existence of a soul is a good thing. it's one's logic vs. another's logic. nobody can be proven wrong, it's just a matter of personal speculation, unlike christianity where we can clearly prove this nonsense false.

You hate Christianity because it convicts you and your way of life as being wrong and punishable by an everlasting death sentence.

This is the root of it all.

You hate Christianity because it falsely convicts you and your way of life as being wrong and punishable by an everlasting death sentence.

This is the root of it all.

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You hate Christianity because it convicts you and your way of life as being wrong and punishable by an everlasting death sentence.

Nah, there's plenty of religions that do that, and they aren't hated nearly as much as Christianity.

probably because the countries with higher populations of the non-religous seem to have christianity as the most immediate example of religion. If you were critical of say islam in pakistan, saudi arabia etc you'd probably be killed right quick

also christianity for the past thousand or so years has been most powerful, the more power you have the worse shit you can do (and it has)

One guy I know told me I don't believe in God because I don't want to be wrong. Huh?

One guy I know told me I don't believe in God because I don't want to be wrong. Huh?

was it shane west?