You constantly ask us to prove this or that with facts which you can do yourself if you weren't too lazy/biased to Wikipedia that shit yourself. Which leads me to my point...

Next time there is some sort of religious debate, please please please back up your arguments with something other than the bible. It may make some of us actually think you're not as crazy as your rants make you seem.

ok? thanks.

apt.

You both live in Dallas, you should just fight and get it over with. Hell I'll be in Dallas in a few weeks we can have a triple threat tlc match winner take all!

if you guys want to meet in san antonio ill be there in September.. battle royale on the river walk

I've never fought over something that can be resolved with logic. I only fight for sport. Do we really expect this troll to be like "Oh you guys are right! I've been throwing my full effort and love into a non-existent being!" I just want him to see that the OBVIOUS BULLSHIT can be ignored. If you can get the picture of the bible, ie. the morals, lessons, and values out of a story then awesome. Its just not required to believe that these stories are historically accurate. Sometimes thats just foolish to assume.

i live in houston. i'll fucking come to fuck you in the ass.

I've never fought over something that can be resolved with logic. I only fight for sport. Do we really expect this troll to be like "Oh you guys are right! I've been throwing my full effort and love into a non-existent being!" I just want him to see that the OBVIOUS BULLSHIT can be ignored. If you can get the picture of the bible, ie. the morals, lessons, and values out of a story then awesome. Its just not required to believe that these stories are historically accurate. Sometimes thats just foolish to assume.

He's a troll dumbass. So long as people like you give him attention, he'll keep saying stupid shit.

He's a troll dumbass. So long as people like you give him attention, he'll keep saying stupid shit.

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He's a troll dumbass. So long as people like you give him attention, he'll keep saying stupid shit.

i called him a troll in the post you quoted you fucking retard. Good burn though... agreeing with me then calling me a dumbass. HOF

War xcept, you are obviously getting into these guys heads.

War xcept, you are obviously getting into these guys heads.

yeah war misinformation and brainwashing, war non-supported arguments, war blind faith.

I wish I still had blind faith in atheism, life was so simple back then.

why do you assume im an athiest?

why do you assume im an athiest?

I don't, I was only talking about blind faith. Why do you assume I'm talking about you?

because it was a direct response to what i posted. thats how talking works, one person says something, then the other replies. You need to know how to know.

because it was a direct response to what i posted. thats how talking works, one person says something, then the other replies. You need to know how to know.

We are not talking.

yet you keep responding. should i have said "conversing" or "posting" or "chatting"? were arguing something deeper than semantics here.

Do you not understand how forums work? Anyone can read this.

jesus christ, no wonder youre so hard to argue with, your a fucking idiot.

QuoteAyeah war misinformation and brainwashing, war non-supported arguments, war blind faith.


QuoteBI wish I still had blind faith in atheism, life was so simple back then.


I will make this simple for you. In quote A you clame blind faith is a bad thing and a trate of Christians. In quote B I give an example of how I had blind faith in atheism befor I was a Christian, at this point it doesn't matter if I'm directly refering to your post or not. Understand?

THE FOLLOWING IN FOR EVIL. ALL ARE WELCOME TO READ BUT THIS IS DIRECTED AT HIM.

obviously you dont understand. i never said blind faith was a trait of christians. i dont even say its a bad thing. I was just saying how closed minded xcept is.

and when your words are underlined that means you spelled a word wrong. just fyi.

obviously you dont understand. i never said blind faith was a trait of christians. i dont even say its a bad thing. I was just saying how closed minded xcept is.

I don't think xcept has blind faith but thats just my opinion.

and when your words are underlined that means you spelled a word wrong. just fyi.

How do you get the forum to underline misspelled words? I don't have that.

How do you get the forum to underline misspelled words? I don't have that.

noob

HAHA he has 22X your post count. I dont know how to turn it on or off, probably somewhere in settings. Mine just started doing it after the last update.

HAHA he has 22X your post count. I dont know how to turn it on or off, probably somewhere in settings. Mine just started doing it after the last update.

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thus, evil is a noob.

fucking rep'd. :owned:

QuoteA


QuoteB


I will make this simple for you. In quote A you clame blind faith is a bad thing and a trate of Christians. In quote B I give an example of how I had blind faith in atheism befor I was a Christian, at this point it doesn't matter if I'm directly refering to your post or not. Understand?

Yeah Atheistic faith is just as blind as Christian faith but if you ask either side they will usually tell you the other is the blind faith. Like you said in a later post you feel xcept's faith isn't blind, but to me and all other nonbelievers it appears to be blind.

I don't get why nonbelievers have this urge to tell the believers that their wrong. It's so prevelant on the interent if I never left my house I would swear 90 percent of the world were atheists. I used to have the same tendencies to attack Christianity and tell people they're wrong, but now I don't care if they are wrong and I don't know that they are. They have just as much of a chance as atheist of being right. And if it makes them happy to believe in Jesus why should they be told differently?

Yeah... just felt like ranting, enjoy.

Yeah Atheistic faith is just as blind as Christian faith but if you ask either side they will usually tell you the other is the blind faith. Like you said in a later post you feel xcept's faith isn't blind, but to me and all other nonbelievers it appears to be blind.

I don't get why nonbelievers have this urge to tell the believers that their wrong. It's so prevelant on the interent if I never left my house I would swear 90 percent of the world were atheists. I used to have the same tendencies to attack Christianity and tell people they're wrong, but now I don't care if they are wrong and I don't know that they are. They have just as much of a chance as atheist of being right. And if it makes them happy to believe in Jesus why should they be told differently?

Yeah... just felt like ranting, enjoy.

i understand your point, and it's not the first time i've heard it. still, i think most of us who are openly against religion are either misplacing hate, or can actually recognize the atrocities carried out in Christ's name.

but for me, i am proud to be human, and it makes me ashamed for the human race to be so stupid as to believe in these fairy tales... c'mon, we're smarter than that.

The problem with this thread is that THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROOF OF JESUS CHRIST to source when arguing his existence.

I don't get why nonbelievers have this urge to tell the believers that their wrong.

its a forum. More specifically its ninjashoes: where you get pwned for saying stupid shit that you can't back up.

y're wrong, but now I don't care if they are wrong and I don't know that they are. They have just as much of a chance as atheist of being right. And if it makes them happy to believe in Jesus why should they be told differently?

its not that we care if they worship jesus.. its that they constantly tell us that other faiths are bullshit and that we are all going to burn because we don't believe in the easter bunny.

The problem with this thread is that THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROOF OF JESUS CHRIST to source when arguing his existence.

but there's a book written by unknown authors with no credibility. that's enough for some people.

but there's a book written by unknown authors with no credibility. that's enough for some people.


Starwars.

but for me, i am proud to be human, and it makes me ashamed for the human race to be so stupid as to believe in these fairy tales... c'mon, we're smarter than that.

repped

The problem with this thread is that THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROOF OF JESUS CHRIST to source when arguing his existence.

I was born 1983 years After Christ. I exist so I am proof that Jesus existed.

i understand your point, and it's not the first time i've heard it. still, i think most of us who are openly against religion are either misplacing hate, or can actually recognize the atrocities carried out in Christ's name.

but for me, i am proud to be human, and it makes me ashamed for the human race to be so stupid as to believe in these fairy tales... c'mon, we're smarter than that.

There are atrocities in the name of science aswell. Christianity has also provided funding to feed the poor, build shelters for the homeless, and fund hospitals. Both sides have good and bad things about them.

The problem with this thread is that THERE IS NO HISTORICAL PROOF OF JESUS CHRIST to source when arguing his existence.

There is evidence he existed, but if you were talking about evidence that he was the son of God then I would agree. There is no evidence for macro evolution either. There is evidence for micro evolution or speciation so both take a bit of a leap of faith. Same with the multiverse no evidence for that, but without assuming it exists the probability of us existing right now without a creator goes way down.

its a forum. More specifically its ninjashoes: where you get pwned for saying stupid shit that you can't back up.

I wasn't just referring to this forum, but any forum I've been on with a spirituality section.

its not that we care if they worship jesus.. its that they constantly tell us that other faiths are bullshit and that we are all going to burn because we don't believe in the easter bunny.

Yeah I can see your point here and agree it is annoying to hear people be so sure of something that may or may not be true. Especially when it's all fire and brimstone speech.

I was born 1983 years After Christ. I exist so I am proof that Jesus existed.

that isn't PROOF. that is just speculation that he did exist because the power-hungry church decided to make the world run on their calendar.

A.D. doesn't even mean after death like most people think.

I was born 1983 years After Christ. I exist so I am proof that Jesus existed.

actually most colleges dont even use AD or BC anymore....
they use CE and BCE

evil- i don't disagree with the teachings of jesus, i just think the idea of a heaven/hell existence is absurd. that is PURE speculation, so one cannot judge me for not believing in that idea. I'm not shitting on your deity, Evil, I just think the big picture presented by the bible of "accept him or go to hell" makes no common sense, and it's cruel to make people think that.

a lot of people are afraid of hell; it's a terrible thing to add fear to this world.

actually most colleges dont even use AD or BC anymore....
they use CE and BCE

WAR COMMON ERA!!! Thats what the CE stands for all you jesus buffs that think take it as Certain Evil.

Another thing, Evil, why did you chose that name? For being such a christian dont you think its wrong to flaunt Evil like its something to be proud of or make it seem cool?

a lot of people are afraid of hell; it's a terrible thing to add fear to this world.


There is no reason to fear hell unless you embrace sin.

Another thing, Evil, why did you chose that name? For being such a christian dont you think its wrong to flaunt Evil like its something to be proud of or make it seem cool?


I am whatever you say I am.

I was born 1983 years After Christ. I exist so I am proof that Jesus existed.

You were born 1983 years after the Christian (or common) era began.

As in you were born in 1983 CE

The fact that some people choose to use the old catalog does not mean that it is proof that christ existed.

No one can prove or disprove Christ. Faith is a gift from God and all the proof I need.

No one can prove or disprove Christ. Faith is a gift from God and all the proof I need.

changing your argument, eh?

There is no reason to fear hell unless you embrace sin.

but i thought you could embrace sin and still get to heaven so long as you accept Christ. that is the basis of christianity's appeal, is it not?

but i thought you could embrace sin and still get to heaven so long as you accept Christ. that is the basis of christianity's appeal, is it not?

No, having faith in Jesus means believing in his word and he teaches us to change our heart and give up sin.

changing your argument, eh?

We can prove that a man named Jesus lived but there is no way to prove he was the son of God without some faith.

We can prove that a man named Jesus lived but there is no way to prove he was the son of God without some faith.

okay. then why is it so hard for you to understand why we don't accept jesus as our savior?

Just trying to understand the logic behind rejecting Christs teachings.he claimed to be the son of god, which cannot be proven. it seems absurd to us that a man could be the son of god, it just doesn't make logical, practical, or spiritual sense to us. therefore, if he spouted out he was the son of god, which we don't believe to be true, then of course we will be skeptical of anything else he apparently said. that goes for anything else he is associated with, such as the bible or other christians.

okay. then why is it so hard for you to understand why we don't accept jesus as our savior?

It's not hard to understand. Why don't you understand that I'm just trying to help you? I'm not here to judge you or anyone else.

he claimed to be the son of god, which cannot be proven. it seems absurd to us that a man could be the son of god, it just doesn't make logical, practical, or spiritual sense to us. therefore, if he spouted out he was the son of god, which we don't believe to be true, then of course we will be skeptical of anything else he apparently said. that goes for anything else he is associated with, such as the bible or other christians.


It's hard to believe but its true.

We can prove that a man named Jesus lived but there is no way to prove he was the son of God without some faith.

We can also prove that a man named Bob (or Sam or Bill) lived. What we have no evidence for is that a man named Jesus lived who did any of things attributed to him in the bible.

We can also prove that a man named Bob (or Sam or Bill) lived. What we have no evidence for is that a man named Jesus lived who did any of things attributed to him in the bible.

If we can prove that Jesus lived and the bible is an accurate historical recording of his life then what more evidence do you need?

It's not hard to understand. Why don't you understand that I'm just trying to help you? I'm not here to judge you or anyone else.


and see, before you made this post, i was just telling you why i disagree with christianity. but for some reason, most of you christians feel it necessary to convert everybody to your beliefs. just leave us alone, if we need help we'll let you know. and that is why us atheists have a chip on our shoulder. it's insulting to be told we are wrong our entire lives. that's what christians do when they "spread the word," they are telling people they are wrong.

It's hard to believe but its true.

the arrogance that comes with your new found faith is disgusting.

If we can prove that Jesus lived and the bible is an accurate historical recording of his life then what more evidence do you need?

you can't prove the bible is a historical account of his life. it's from unknown authors that are terribly bias.

and see, before you made this post, i was just telling you why i disagree with christianity. but for some reason, most of you christians feel it necessary to convert everybody to your beliefs. just leave us alone, if we need help we'll let you know. and that is why us atheists have a chip on our shoulder. it's insulting to be told we are wrong our entire lives. that's what christians do when they "spread the word," they are telling people they are wrong.

You are posting in the Spirituality and Philosophy section on a open forum... you leave me alone.



the arrogance that comes with your new found faith is disgusting.

I'm sorry you feel this way and I assure you I don't feel that I'm better than you in any way.

you can't prove the bible is a historical account of his life. it's from unknown authors that are terribly bias.


I can't but you can do it for yourself. I have faith that God will try to lead everyone to him, he gave us free will.

You are posting in the Spirituality and Philosophy section on a open forum... you leave me alone.

again, you prove you never read things through. i was clearly talking about christians in general... "you christians." missionaries, door-to-door, etc.

of course i'm open for you to debate your beliefs in this forum, it's not like i go out every day and picket against religion.

I am whatever you say I am.

i didnt say you were anything. I was just asking why you chose that name being such a staunch christian eminem.

i didnt say you were anything. I was just asking why you chose that name being such a staunch christian eminem.

Not you nessicarely. I close this name befor I found truth in Gods words and there's no point of changing it.

actually, the proof that Christ existed permeates all of humanity, history, and everything else in between.

so it's up to the non-believe to prove that EVERY reference to Christ in every book and document in history is false.

You have no hope in doing such. You have failed. Your arguments are vapid. You have lost once and for all.

so it's up to the non-believe to prove that EVERY reference to Christ in every book and document in history is false.

You have no hope in doing such. You have failed. Your arguments are vapid. You have lost once and for all.

troll

so it's up to the non-believe to prove that EVERY reference to Christ in every book and document in history is false.

Both of those references have been disproved already.

the most accurate historians from christ's era do not speak of him at all. The ones that did have been proven to be frauds. Just because you have faith does not prove anything.