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GiantRobotDelux
06-14-2008, 09:24 PM
Jesus Christ Never Existed

During centuries, church tradition had to defend their historical Jesus in order to consolidate their faith. Many documents had to be fabricated for that purpose. Only a few decades ago, Pope Pius became tired of the struggle and declared Jesus to be a fact of faith only.

Emilio Bossi wrote a book "Gesu` Cristo non e` mai esistito" (Jesus Christ has never existed), where he compared Jesus to Socrates, both having a circle of disciples, but left nothing written on their own. Alas, the disciples of Socrates were no analphabetic parrots of the tradition of the fathers.

The sociopolitical power of the Vatican oppressed any free thought in Europe for many centuries until the Enlightenment, when humanism without superstition was made possible.

Jesus is an ideal invented for midrash of Scripture.

The Jewish people migrated from Central Asia into the Semitic areas of the Near East. It was subject to a lot of hostility and oppression. The Jewish religion grew in that environment. Starting as a people of nomads and itinerant craftsmen, it evolved into a people of merchants. At this stage, literacy became important.

The sect of the Essenes demonstrated elaborate community ethics. Their messianic expectations in the Diaspora gave cause to the formation of Christianity.

Christianity was thus a tool for survival of the diaspora Jews. It became more and more popular among the high society of the Roman empire. An authoritarian class of priests thus was established once Christianity took over the rule of the Empire.

Modern science shows that a lot of early Christian writings are forged and faked.
II The Proofs and Counterproofs

Tacitus, Suetonius, Plinius, Philo, Iustus Tiberias, and Flavius Iosephus have all been tampered with by church scribes in order to camouflage Christian origins.

According to Tacitus, Augustus and Tiberius expulsed some Judeo-Egyptian superstition from Rome in early first century.

The most important author for the formation of Christianity is Philo Alexandrinus. In a lost tractate, Philo supposedly wrote about the good god Serapis. The tractate may have been similar to the Christian Gospels and ruthlessly abused by plagiarists. Thus non-apologist scholars showed that Christianity started out in Alexandria. Philo adapted Judaism to fit in a framework of hellenic philosophy, especially Platonism.

Of course Philo would have known about a historical Jesus of his generation, if there had been any.

The same silence extends to the apostles, to Mary and Joe, and so on.

Church tradition is built on fabrications and forgery only, the head of the enterprise having been Eusebius of Caesarea in Constantine times.

Starting with the Tuebingen school, the historical value of the bible was step by step reduced to naught. Like Jesus himself, it's a heap of fictions, arrangements, and adaptions.

Jean Guitton underlined the significance of perspective in NT research. While denying the historical existence of Jesus, Couchoud affirmed the ideal existence of the same.

Voltaire exposed the parallels of John's Gospels and Philo's collected works, and that Christian philosophy is essentially Philo's.

Historical criticism also suggests that Paul is a creation of Marcion.

[La Sagesse falsely scribes this to the Tuebingen school]

The bible, claiming inerrancy by appeal to higher authority. is full of primitive contradictions and humbug.

Hundreds of gospels have been written before church dogmatics reduced them to four. Laterre holds that they all copied one from another, starting with Mark's, in a chaotic race, and from sources being in part prior to Hebrew scripture.

Since second century, a historified Jesus was invented for sociopolitical reasons. Finally the Empire was assimilated during the rule of Constantine.

A. Loisy concluded that the Christian church based its structure and dogmatics essentially on Essene doctrine and ritual. The Jesus figure is thus derived from Essenic legends.

Prosper Alfaric, author of "L'e'cole de la raison" (school of reason) expounds on the efforts of reconciliation of Christian faith and reason throughout church history. Alfaric underlined the parallelism of Jesus and pagan solar cults, and sees the Qumran scrolls as the missing link for proving that Jesus is the legendary Chrestos of the Esseni. The Habakuk scroll mentions a righteous teacher, a traitor, and a vicious priest. The scroll predates the Common era and its legendary character influenced a lot the Gospel stories.

Christianity is nothing but syncretism of a diversity of Jewish sects, seasoned with pagan cult elements. The term Evangelion (gospel) already appears in Homer's Odyssea. It was applied to Emperor Augustus, as is seen in an inscription in Priene in Ionia.

The gospels "according to" someone were not actually written by those persons. Justin Martyr did not know of acts, gospels, and letters. This underlines that they were not known much prior to 150.

Marcion was a contemporary of Justin. He came up with a letter of Paul to the Romans, for the very first time. The letter was not to the liking of the Catholic church, like the other main letters, and went through dogmatic mutilations and redactions before being added to the canonical writings.

For Engels, the Apocalypse is the oldest of the NT writings.

Origenes accuses Flavius Iosephus of neglecting Jesus. This shows that the TF is posterior to Origenes and faked, just as the Testimonium Tacitum. Suetonius wrote about Jews instigated by a certain Chrestus, which can be seen as a reference to legendary essenic Chrestus.

Christians in the proper sense never incited revolts and similar stuff but proved as obedient inhabitants of the Empire. The letter of Plinius has been shown as falsified from front to back by various methods.

Seneca was the first prominent carrier of Christian ethics.

Judaism built much on the solar deity cults of the Mediterranean world, especially the Osiris-Isis cult. This carried over to Christianity. Mary is essentially Isis. Seth, the enemy of Isis- Osiris-Horus, turned into Herod. Christianity is thus just a renaming exercise. A very important source is the Mitras cult and its relative, the Sol Invictus.

Hobbes and Spinoza proved that the Pentateuch is from the Hasmonean era. Reimarus shattered a lot of superstitious church tradition by showing that the whole fulfilled prophetic stuff smells fishy. Dupuis showed the absurdity of the humanity of Jesus by usage of solar mythology that was abundant in ancient times. Kalthoff underlined the socio-economical aspects of early Christianity which fit nicely into the general situation of Rome and its environment.

GiantRobotDelux
06-14-2008, 09:26 PM
II The Fabrications

Extrabiblical evidence for Jesus is based on Flavius Iosephus, Tacitus, Plinius II, and Suetonius.

An educated romanophile Jew like Flavius would never write such a humbug, as underlined by Pater Gillet. No one before Eusebius dared to refer to Flavius as a witness for Jesus. Phocius of Constantinople already stated the absurdity of the testimony ascribed to Flavoius Iosephus in the 9th century.

Tacitus wrote about Christ-driven sectarians in Rome as enemies of mankind. The interpolatedness of this passage is plainly self-evident.

Ganeval noted the expulsion of Jews and Egyptians, members of one superstition, from Rome, concluding that this must refer to Alexandrian Esseni, followers of Chrestus.

Suetonius explicitly used the term Chrestus for the troublemaker.

Also the forgedness of the passage in Plinius' letter to Traian is self-evident.

If there had been a real Jesus Christ, the church would not have invented fraudulent witnesses.
IV

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http://www.egodeath.com/LaSagesseJesusNeverExisted.htm#_Toc103935146

jetjaguar
06-14-2008, 09:48 PM
man, it sounds like you've been doing your homework. My understanding is that the modern cult of jesus is a conglomeration of the major monotheistic religions of empire at that time (Constantine's rule). Drawing heavily on the cults of mithras and sol invictus.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e240/mbuck32138/Mithras-solinvictus.jpg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3238578.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=9724400E855F9263933BF07042680128A55A1E4F32AD3138

lancaster
06-15-2008, 04:13 AM
Nice find.

GiantRobotDelux
06-15-2008, 06:33 AM
cheers fellas

kronker
06-15-2008, 07:09 PM
Okay, now ruin Santa Clause for me as well.


JESUS WALKS WITH ME!!!

GiantRobotDelux
06-15-2008, 09:27 PM
Okay, now ruin Santa Clause for me as well.


JESUS WALKS WITH ME!!!

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FLemshady
06-15-2008, 10:08 PM
Source?

weeb
06-16-2008, 01:48 AM
themoreyouknow

GiantRobotDelux
06-16-2008, 04:14 AM
Source?

Jesus Christ Never Existed

La Sagesse