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GiantRobotDelux 05-28-2008, 12:12 AM oldy but a goody.
Genesis says the ark was 450ft and made of wood. Animals aside.. there is no way a ship that small made of wood could be made sea faring by 1 or 2 people without iron re-enforcements and the knowhow, technology, and experience in ship building.
Heres another approach http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
God made everything you see out of nothing.
xcept68 05-28-2008, 04:56 PM The article is very skewed from Talkorigins. First thing is that the ark was covered inside and out with pitch (before any oil and gas or coal was present) Pitch was made from the boiling of charred wood, this is as God instructed Noah to do. This would have made the ark very seaworthy.
Second thing is that gathering the animals. The earth was one continent, as God stated it was all very good when created. This would have been able to easily sustain life and support the possibly 9+ bil people currently on the earth, plus the numerous animals. As all animals have a sense of danger, they flee from hurricanes and tidal waves. The animals would have came to Noah. If all we in one lush tropical continent, then it wouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, cave dwelling and other adaptations would have been after the flood, since there were no caves, or islands, they were all formed by water from a large deluge. Also no deserts, polar ice caps etc. Noah took 2 of every KIND onboard the ark. This means 2 bears, not 16 different bears. 2 small cats, 2 large cats, not 4500 cat species. No fish, as they as well as Noah would have been able to stay away from the areas of heavy torrents and hyper-hurricanes. The ark isn't for sailing, but for keeping safe the contents within. That entire article as well as Rogan's commentary are shoddy and based upon today's state of the world, not what it was when God created it perfect before it was destroyed by the flood.
I hope that helps you understand a bit more and perhaps you can utilize your own discernment next time.
ZiLLa 05-28-2008, 11:18 PM The article is very skewed from Talkorigins. First thing is that the ark was covered inside and out with pitch (before any oil and gas or coal was present) Pitch was made from the boiling of charred wood, this is as God instructed Noah to do. This would have made the ark very seaworthy.
Second thing is that gathering the animals. The earth was one continent, as God stated it was all very good when created. This would have been able to easily sustain life and support the possibly 9+ bil people currently on the earth, plus the numerous animals. As all animals have a sense of danger, they flee from hurricanes and tidal waves. The animals would have came to Noah. If all we in one lush tropical continent, then it wouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, cave dwelling and other adaptations would have been after the flood, since there were no caves, or islands, they were all formed by water from a large deluge. Also no deserts, polar ice caps etc. Noah took 2 of every KIND onboard the ark. This means 2 bears, not 16 different bears. 2 small cats, 2 large cats, not 4500 cat species. No fish, as they as well as Noah would have been able to stay away from the areas of heavy torrents and hyper-hurricanes. The ark isn't for sailing, but for keeping safe the contents within. That entire article as well as Rogan's commentary are shoddy and based upon today's state of the world, not what it was when God created it perfect before it was destroyed by the flood.
I hope that helps you understand a bit more and perhaps you can utilize your own discernment next time.
This may be the funniest thing I ever seen you post...and you post A LOT of crazy shit.
I am not even going to bring up how ridiculous what your saying is.
I am not even going to bring up how ridiculous what your saying is.
Please do.
jetjaguar 05-28-2008, 11:34 PM The article is very skewed from Talkorigins. First thing is that the ark was covered inside and out with pitch (before any oil and gas or coal was present) Pitch was made from the boiling of charred wood, this is as God instructed Noah to do. This would have made the ark very seaworthy.
Second thing is that gathering the animals. The earth was one continent, as God stated it was all very good when created. This would have been able to easily sustain life and support the possibly 9+ bil people currently on the earth, plus the numerous animals. As all animals have a sense of danger, they flee from hurricanes and tidal waves. The animals would have came to Noah. If all we in one lush tropical continent, then it wouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, cave dwelling and other adaptations would have been after the flood, since there were no caves, or islands, they were all formed by water from a large deluge. Also no deserts, polar ice caps etc. Noah took 2 of every KIND onboard the ark. This means 2 bears, not 16 different bears. 2 small cats, 2 large cats, not 4500 cat species. No fish, as they as well as Noah would have been able to stay away from the areas of heavy torrents and hyper-hurricanes. The ark isn't for sailing, but for keeping safe the contents within. That entire article as well as Rogan's commentary are shoddy and based upon today's state of the world, not what it was when God created it perfect before it was destroyed by the flood.
I hope that helps you understand a bit more and perhaps you can utilize your own discernment next time.
Your pretty cool dude, I like a sense of humor.
ZiLLa 05-29-2008, 12:17 AM Please do.
Alright, but I apologize in advance.
The idea of one continent on this planet, refered to as Pangea, was over 225 million years ago. And there wasn't no fucking human beings, and according to your "religion", there wasn't even a planet.
I understand animals have a wierd sixth sense, commonly refered to as their third eye. Or what I like to believe is their pineal gland which connects them spiritually to the world around them. But us humans in all our evolution have lost this ability because our pineal gland has slowly retreated into our brains over thousands and thousands of years.
How the fuck are you gonna get lions and tigers and bears on to a wooden fucking barge. These animals would have attacked each other and Noah's drunk ass. The idea that they happened to gather in one place is just retarded, it would have been chaotic and all these creatures would have killed each other.
There was no technology capable of builing something like this soo long ago that would hold millions of different types of animals. In order to support this many organisms would require massive amounts of food and fresh water. Where the hell did he store all of this??
If Noah was able to build such a badass boat. What the fuck happened to everyone else's boats. Did your "God" destroy them all with lightning bolts or some other type of Godly intereference. Don't you think it would be a lot easier for your "god" to just make himself known to everyone, instead of some 500year old drunk. And instuct all this retards, who were basically still animals themselves, to get the act together or else your "god" would have to drown some bitches.
How the hell was this old dude able to construct the massive frieghter without help. And don't you think his help would have wanted a ride too.
I'm done for now picking apart except's pathetic christian concepts. But he likes to believe in fairy tales, as you do to Evil. And that's okay by me, I could honesty care less. Just don't get on here and preach to people like you have some divine knowledge. Becuase you DON'T. Believeing in the bible is almost as crazy as people 2,000 years from now, looking back and believing the Lord Of The Rings was real and they should live their lifes by it.
I was raised Christian and even when I was a kid something just didn't seem right about what I was being taught. It wasn't until I was much older that I relized how weak-mind and pathetic these people are.
I'm sorry, but Noah's Ark is a JOKE and if you believe it literally....you are a joke too, and will never understand the punchline.
kronker 05-29-2008, 05:42 AM Santa Clause only has one little sleigh but he delivers presents all over the world so.....
I'm starting to believe in Hamanaptra from the Mummy. I want to come back as a mummy and rule the world and get hot Egyptian bitches.
Theirs historical documents proving this so it must be true, just like the bible.
Dr. Bob {ADR} 05-29-2008, 05:49 AM How the fuck are you gonna get lions and tigers and bears on to a wooden fucking barge.
Exactly what I thought.
Don't cite animal instincts to flee danger, and then expect those instincts to guide them onto a floating enclosed death trap.
And if these instincts were driving animals there because it seemed safe, more than 2 animals would be trying to get on the boat. And we know how safe and under control scared animals are.
WTF @ noah's ark.
kronker 05-29-2008, 05:59 AM I was actually on Noah's Arc. I was a lion and this guy I went to school with was a bear and once I did my past life regression therapy session with a trained, professional hypnotist, I realized it and now I don't hold any anger towards him.
I'm telling you. Past life regression is so important to understand your lifes purpose.
lancaster 05-29-2008, 06:27 AM 2 of every animal isn't all that Noah took on the ark with him. He also took every possible human specific disease and parasite with him. Herpes, HIV, siphillis, Ebola, leprosy, AIDS etc.
As these diseases didn't evolve (remember evolution is an atheist plot) and they can't live outside of a human host, the only possible explanation is that Noah himself was infected with the lot of them. And once the waters went down, he passed all these diseases on to his daughters just like it says in the bible.
This is one of the true inspirational stories in the bible. If a siphillitic incestuous old drunk can be saved by God, then how easy is it for the rest of us.
xcept68 05-29-2008, 05:38 PM look at your explaination... it's even worse than anything I've ever encountered. Maybe you can do some research on this. You will find that the animals didn't eat other animals they ate seed bearing fruit and plants. They didn't eat meat until after the flood, even man didn't eat meat until then. As far as diseases go they degenerate and mutate, just as animals have speciated from the original. There's no problems there. This is why people could have offspring without any birth defects if they were directly related, because the sin condition was gradually affecting our DNA.
xcept68 05-29-2008, 05:41 PM the Ark had the capacity equal to 526 train box cars. Also only 1/3 of the space was reserved for the animals, who would have went into a more hybernative state onboard the ark. the other space was for people and food. Noah preached to people foro 120 years and no one came, because it had never rained so they didn't believe. When Christ died upon the cross He also freed those that were alive in Noah's day that were too afraid to come to the ark or didn't understand. But those that were of the nephilim were not and also will not be resurrected at the end of days.
QQmoreimo 05-29-2008, 06:54 PM The article is very skewed from Talkorigins. First thing is that the ark was covered inside and out with pitch (before any oil and gas or coal was present) Pitch was made from the boiling of charred wood, this is as God instructed Noah to do. This would have made the ark very seaworthy.
Second thing is that gathering the animals. The earth was one continent, as God stated it was all very good when created. This would have been able to easily sustain life and support the possibly 9+ bil people currently on the earth, plus the numerous animals. As all animals have a sense of danger, they flee from hurricanes and tidal waves. The animals would have came to Noah. If all we in one lush tropical continent, then it wouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, cave dwelling and other adaptations would have been after the flood, since there were no caves, or islands, they were all formed by water from a large deluge. Also no deserts, polar ice caps etc. Noah took 2 of every KIND onboard the ark. This means 2 bears, not 16 different bears. 2 small cats, 2 large cats, not 4500 cat species. No fish, as they as well as Noah would have been able to stay away from the areas of heavy torrents and hyper-hurricanes. The ark isn't for sailing, but for keeping safe the contents within. That entire article as well as Rogan's commentary are shoddy and based upon today's state of the world, not what it was when God created it perfect before it was destroyed by the flood.
I hope that helps you understand a bit more and perhaps you can utilize your own discernment next time.
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xcept68 05-29-2008, 08:08 PM Since God is truth (John 3:33, Romans 3:4), whats breathed out by God, must also be true (John 17:17) and infallible
GiantRobotDelux 05-29-2008, 09:24 PM Since God is truth (John 3:33, Romans 3:4), whats breathed out by God, must also be true (John 17:17) and infallible
You can't prove the bible by quoting the bible.
also, an ark that size would never be able to survive the ocean without a serious amount of metal. "God made it happen" is not a legit reason.
xcept68 05-29-2008, 09:31 PM Sure it would, because it did. And did so for nearly a year.. How cool is that! It was covered with pitch inside and out. That probably helped quite a bit.
GiantRobotDelux 05-29-2008, 10:34 PM Sure it would, because it did. And did so for nearly a year.. How cool is that! It was covered with pitch inside and out. That probably helped quite a bit.
There is no proof outside of the bible. Stop using the bible to prove the bible. It makes your points sound weak and contrived. Here is your chance, find a non-biblical source for Noah and the Ark.
xcept68 05-30-2008, 01:00 AM sure... all the sediment layers, oil, gas, coal, peat bogs, separation of the continents, fossils, ice caps, deserts and the lack of population are all evidences for the flood.
QQmoreimo 05-30-2008, 01:26 AM I can understand non literal bible christians, but I have no idea how it's possible to remain a literal bible christian since the invention of the internet. I picture this guy surfing the internet with his hand covering one eye for fear of seeing something that would disturb his faith. Sad state of affairs my friend.
lancaster 05-30-2008, 02:20 AM lAs far as diseases go they degenerate and mutate, just as animals have speciated from the original.
And here the troll trips himself up. In other threads he denies evolution, and here he uses it to back up his points.
kronker 05-30-2008, 06:26 AM You can't prove the bible by quoting the bible.
also, an ark that size would never be able to survive the ocean without a serious amount of metal. "God made it happen" is not a legit reason.
You make the key essential point that all religions/religious people can't seem to fanthom.
kronker 05-30-2008, 06:30 AM I can understand non literal bible christians, but I have no idea how it's possible to remain a literal bible christian since the invention of the internet. I picture this guy surfing the internet with his hand covering one eye for fear of seeing something that would disturb his faith. Sad state of affairs my friend.
All Christians are hypocrites. Its impossible not to be.
1)They are a hypocrite for beliving in the literal translation and then don't live up to every single thing the bible says(its impossible to do all the bible says in modern north american society)
OR
2)They are hypocrite for saying they are "Christian" and then make excuses for not following certain parts of bible while using other parts to judge others and advocate for certain laws and societal norms based on these few parts of the bible.
chulahumper 05-30-2008, 07:08 AM All Christians are hypocrites. Its impossible not to be.
1)They are a hypocrite for beliving in the literal translation and then don't live up to every single thing the bible says(its impossible to do all the bible says in modern north american society)
OR
2)They are hypocrite for saying they are "Christian" and then make excuses for not following certain parts of bible while using other parts to judge others and advocate for certain laws and societal norms based on these few parts of the bible.
Go tell it on the mountain you magnificent bastard!
All Christians are hypocrites. Its impossible not to be.
1)They are a hypocrite for beliving in the literal translation and then don't live up to every single thing the bible says(its impossible to do all the bible says in modern north american society)
OR
2)They are hypocrite for saying they are "Christian" and then make excuses for not following certain parts of bible while using other parts to judge others and advocate for certain laws and societal norms based on these few parts of the bible.
1. I try my best but nobody is perfect, thats why God sent himself to save us for our sins.
2. I don't judge others, that's not my role.
kronker 06-03-2008, 08:42 AM 1. I try my best but nobody is perfect, thats why God sent himself to save us for our sins.
2. I don't judge others, that's not my role.
Yes you do. You neg me all the time. And you troll in the spiritual forum.
Fail.
xcept68 06-03-2008, 04:17 PM It's ashame that so many people miss out on what the Bible explains clearly, because they would rather get hearsy information on the bible rather than just pick up the source and figure it out on their own. Yeah I could read MMA rumors and blogs all day long, but it's nothing like being at the fight, or seeing the fight directly. Because I was there I can tell you what happened, even if you asked me 50 years from now I would still know what happened. People write books about their lives and some of that information is more than 20 yrs old of them when they were younger, their friends or family can read it and say... yeah I remember that!
Well this topic is so far gone it should be in the "unexplained or in the anus".
Nothing to do with anything of spirituality any longer.
ZiLLa 06-03-2008, 10:25 PM It's ashame that so many people miss out on what the Bible explains clearly, because they would rather get hearsy information on the bible rather than just pick up the source and figure it out on their own. Yeah I could read MMA rumors and blogs all day long, but it's nothing like being at the fight, or seeing the fight directly. Because I was there I can tell you what happened, even if you asked me 50 years from now I would still know what happened. People write books about their lives and some of that information is more than 20 yrs old of them when they were younger, their friends or family can read it and say... yeah I remember that!
Well this topic is so far gone it should be in the "unexplained or in the anus".
Nothing to do with anything of spirituality any longer.
:stfu:
Believing in the bible is like people a thousand years from now, looking back and thinking that The Lord Of The Rings was real and that is how you should live your life.
You my friend are pathetic and weak-minded.
:stfu:
Believing in the bible is like people a thousand years from now, looking back and thinking that The Lord Of The Rings was real and that is how you should live your life.
You my friend are pathetic and weak-minded.
And you are closed minded. Far worse IMHO
ZiLLa 06-03-2008, 10:42 PM And you are closed minded. Far worse IMHO
Actually, I'm not close-minded at all. :sifone:
I have freed my mind and you believe in fairy tales.
Actually, I'm not close-minded at all. :sifone:
I have freed my mind and you believe in fairy tales.
I used to believe the same thing you do. Does this scare you?
ZiLLa 06-03-2008, 10:51 PM I used to believe the same thing you do. Does this scare you?
First off, you have no fuckin idea what I believe. You may know one thing I don't believe(your crazy religion), but thats about it.
And yes it does scare me, because it once again shows me that people can actually get dumber as they get older.
First off, you have no fuckin idea what I believe. You may know one thing I don't believe(your crazy religion), but thats about it.
And yes it does scare me, because it once again shows me that people can actually get dumber as they get older.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
ZiLLa 06-03-2008, 11:19 PM Whatever helps you sleep at night.
The only things that help me sleep at night are blunts, booze, and my beautiful girlfriend.
Not trying to make some crazy bible-thumpers on the intraweb realize how pathetic and weak they are.
Not trying to make some crazy bible-thumpers on the intraweb realize how pathetic and weak they are.
Then what are you doing here posting in the Spirituality section?
ZiLLa 06-03-2008, 11:34 PM Then what are you doing here posting in the Spirituality section?
Showing people the blatant hypocrisy and absurdity of religion. Especially christianity...
This world would be a much better place without religion and crazy bible thumpers such as yourself..
Lord Krishna 06-03-2008, 11:42 PM Showing people the blatant hypocrisy and absurdity of religion. Especially christianity...
This world would be a much better place without religion and crazy bible thumpers such as yourself..
he's right, you know
hotnewton 06-04-2008, 01:47 AM this thread once again delivers
xcept68 06-04-2008, 05:07 PM Evil, never argue with an idiot... bystanders cannot tell the difference.
ZiLLa 06-04-2008, 05:31 PM Evil, never argue with an idiot... bystanders cannot tell the difference.
Never argue with xcept68, for he is a moron who believes in myths and fables that have been translated and edited over generations to suit the church or given empire of the time. He also has the uncanny ability to convince other weak-minded, pathetic individuals of his crazy beliefs. These people are almost always the poor and one's in most desperate need of help.
Bystanders may not be able to tell the difference, because they are generally as stupid as except68 and unable to make a morality based decision based on their own thought.
xcept68 06-04-2008, 06:00 PM Thank you
ZiLLa 06-04-2008, 09:21 PM Thank you
Your welcome
xcept68 06-04-2008, 09:34 PM so what else is new? What you got planned for this weekend? Watchin the UFC fight?
ZiLLa 06-05-2008, 09:26 PM so what else is new? What you got planned for this weekend? Watchin the UFC fight?
Praying for all you crazy conservative christians.
Praying for all you crazy conservative christians.
Praying to who obama?
xcept68 06-05-2008, 10:06 PM Praying to who obama?
Repped!
Who does the atheist pray to? Themselves? Their momma? Or obama
ZiLLa 06-06-2008, 12:47 AM Repped!
Who does the atheist pray to? Themselves? Their momma? Or obama
Just because I don't pray to zombie jesus and your "god"...Doesn't make me an atheist.
Just because I don't pray to zombie jesus and your "god"...Doesn't make me an atheist.
Again I ask. If your not praying to God then who?
ZiLLa 06-06-2008, 04:37 AM Again I ask. If your not praying to God then who?
I was joking.
I don't pray and even if I did it wouldn't be for you crazy christians.
Bloodshot {ADR} 06-11-2008, 02:59 PM I was joking.
I don't pray and even if I did it wouldn't be for you crazy christians.
CHRISTIANS!!! Quick, don't pray!
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xcept68 06-11-2008, 04:46 PM thank God for grace. because grace is for the non-believer as well as the believer in hopes that they will one day turn their face back to God who loves them.
Bloodshot {ADR} 06-11-2008, 04:51 PM thank God for grace. because grace is for the non-believer as well as the believer in hopes that they will one day turn their face back to God who loves them.
:correct: but that's not going to mean anything to an unbeliever.
xcept68 06-11-2008, 05:35 PM I wish that it did
lancaster 06-12-2008, 01:37 AM thank God for grace. because grace is for the non-believer as well as the believer in hopes that they will one day turn their face back to God who loves them.
Hey, Jesus already paid for our ticket to heaven "paid in full" remember? Or did God change the rules again so gets paid twice?
chulahumper 06-12-2008, 02:06 AM Remind me never to go to Frisco, TX.
ZiLLa 06-12-2008, 02:22 AM Remind me never to go to Frisco, TX.
Remind me to bomb Frisco,TX back to the stone age. xcept would fit right in with primitive retards.
VENDO 06-12-2008, 06:37 AM the same people that make fun of xcept for his belief in god, are the same ones that believe in aliens.
lancaster 06-12-2008, 06:44 AM Yeah but aliens are real.
Evil, never argue with an idiot... bystanders cannot tell the difference.
how can you call yourself a christian, but pass judgments like that?
contradictions of xcept86:
be christian, yet he judges (christianity is a contradiction in itself)
dinosaur bones are bogus, yet sediment fossils prove the flood!
evolution did not exist, yet they took place to justify noah and his gay cruise
lancaster 06-12-2008, 08:39 AM noah and his gay cruise
It wasn't gay, it was incestuous. The bible tells how Noah slept with his daughters. It didn't mention anything about him sleeping with his Sons, but I suppose he could have. We'd have to ask xcept68 to be sure.
xcept68 06-12-2008, 09:23 AM the same people that make fun of xcept for his belief in god, are the same ones that believe in aliens.
QFT
+ 8 (infinity sideways)
Repped.
Douchebaggery runs rampant in here.
xcept68 06-12-2008, 09:24 AM how can you call yourself a christian, but pass judgments like that?
How can you call yourself a.... wait a min, what DO you call yourself?
VENDO 06-12-2008, 11:03 AM Yeah but aliens are real.
so is santa claus, and chupacabra.
lancaster 06-12-2008, 04:19 PM so is santa claus, and chupacabra.
No. Santa and chupacabra are just made up stories.
xcept68 06-12-2008, 04:45 PM ^^^^ He's serious! LOL.
How can you call yourself a.... wait a min, what DO you call yourself?
a human being, a bipedal primate, a homosapien, an organism of self awareness... any of those will do
^^^^ He's serious! LOL.
there's more evidence to prove aliens exist than the existence of heaven.
people like you are weak and afraid; you want to make sure you're never going to die. so how do we never die? we create images in our brain that a conscious afterlife exists.
here's a really simple question.
if it's the year 1000 A.D., and there are indigenous tribes living all over the world in secluded regions (e.g. aborigines living off the coast of australia) that have never heard the word of jesus christ for they have lived said secluded life, do they go to hell for not accepting a savior of whom they have never even been informed?
xcept68 06-12-2008, 07:44 PM do you have an alien tomb that you refer to? Is your head connical in shape? GTFO of here with that crap. You're delusional.
do you have an alien tomb that you refer to? Is your head connical in shape? GTFO of here with that crap. You're delusional.
exactly. the evidence for alien life is weak, but it is still more solid than evidence proving your beliefs.
again,
if it's the year 1000 A.D., and there are indigenous tribes living all over the world in secluded regions (e.g. aborigines living off the coast of australia) that have never heard the word of jesus christ for they have lived said secluded life, do they go to hell for not accepting a savior of whom they have never even been informed?
xcept68 06-12-2008, 08:47 PM oh that was a question right there?
God judges by the laws written upon our hearts. Those that haven't heard the gospel would be judged fairly just as those that hear (such as yourself) and deny and mock it will also be judged fairly.
VENDO 06-12-2008, 09:53 PM Can't the guy just believe in god?
Jesus.
Everyone is gonna have different beliefs.
QQmoreimo 06-12-2008, 09:59 PM Can't the guy just believe in god?
Jesus.
Everyone is gonna have different beliefs.
It's fine to "believe", but it's when you try and substitute belief for fact that you become an idiot. I don't mind christians, but I do mind christians that try and tell me evolution is wrong and push to keep it out of schools, etc. If you want to be a closet retard, be my guest, but please keep that shit to yourself.
oh that was a question right there?
God judges by the laws written upon our hearts. Those that haven't heard the gospel would be judged fairly just as those that hear (such as yourself) and deny and mock it will also be judged fairly.
gimmick
lancaster 06-13-2008, 05:08 AM do you have an alien tomb that you refer to? Is your head connical in shape? GTFO of here with that crap. You're delusional.
Who do you think build the pyramids or the Nazca lines or sunk Atlantis? Early mad didn't have the technology. (And don't say God did it because it's not in the bible.)
Can't the guy just believe in god?
Jesus.
Everyone is gonna have different beliefs.
it's not like he just believes in god. he starts arguments and warps quality scientific research to fit his delusional beliefs.
xcept68 06-13-2008, 05:17 PM Who do you think build the pyramids or the Nazca lines or sunk Atlantis? Early mad didn't have the technology. (And don't say God did it because it's not in the bible.)
Atlantis.
Maybe I can put things into perspective for you a bit?
Based upon the Biblical model of the earth prior to the flood, people were building great things then. Look at the expanse of the ark that was built by Noah and his family. People lived much longer and had many more children. So as the Babylonian story the Epic of Gilgamesh goes, the earth was overpopulated and too noisy, there were too many people on the earth and so the gods flooded the earth to shut them up.
According to some numbers compiled, there were likely more people on the earth before the flood, probably around 9 billion. With this amount of people a highly technological city wouldn't have been a problem for them. Things such as an atlantis. All of this being made from wood and stone and such, tobal cain was the manufacturer of alloys, so they would have had metals to work with for fastening these things. All this destroyed in the flood. The reason we find fossils is because these living organisms float when they die or try to float to survive. Everything else would you crushed and turned to stone.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
QQmoreimo 06-13-2008, 05:49 PM Atlantis.
Maybe I can put things into perspective for you a bit?
Based upon the Biblical model of the earth prior to the flood, people were building great things then. Look at the expanse of the ark that was built by Noah and his family. People lived much longer and had many more children. So as the Babylonian story the Epic of Gilgamesh goes, the earth was overpopulated and too noisy, there were too many people on the earth and so the gods flooded the earth to shut them up.
According to some numbers compiled, there were likely more people on the earth before the flood, probably around 9 billion. With this amount of people a highly technological city wouldn't have been a problem for them. Things such as an atlantis. All of this being made from wood and stone and such, tobal cain was the manufacturer of alloys, so they would have had metals to work with for fastening these things. All this destroyed in the flood. The reason we find fossils is because these living organisms float when they die or try to float to survive. Everything else would you crushed and turned to stone.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
The best part about this is that he thinks he proved his point instead of just telling a story
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/bingersb/spilled-beer.jpg
lancaster 06-14-2008, 03:38 AM Based upon the Biblical model of the earth prior to the flood, people were building great things then. Look at the expanse of the ark that was built by Noah and his family.
Okay, I'll give you the Ark. Possibly also the Tower of Babel, even though you didn't mention it. But that's it. There's no other great works done by man in the bible. But as those are just two isolated incidents I'd say that they are things that another race did, and the the bible authors just stole the ideas and claimed them as their own.
According to some numbers compiled, there were likely more people on the earth before the flood, probably around 9 billion. With this amount of people a highly technological city wouldn't have been a problem for them.
No. If large numbers of people were all it took there would have been many cities, but we haven't found anything. Humans from thousands of years ago weren't very technologically advanced. Things like the pyramids, atlantis etc could not have been made by early man so the only logical solution is outside help - aliens.
xcept68 06-14-2008, 04:40 AM Did you not just hear me? I said that that was ALL destroyed by the flood. The Pyramids were build AFTER the flood. Joseph ring any bells? How about Moses? Remember these people? The Hebrews were brought into Egypt through Joseph, and later put into slavery, then Moses was chosen to free them. You'd never get that part. So why try to explain it to you. You already have shown your hand that you actually have no interest in anything I have to say other than to talk shit about my wife. That pretty much makes you dirt. I have no use for dirt in my life.
Bloodshot {ADR} 06-14-2008, 04:48 AM people like you are weak and afraid; you want to make sure you're never going to die. so how do we never die? we create images in our brain that a conscious afterlife exists.
That's about as evidentual of a comment as Christianity, only more oppressing.
lancaster 06-14-2008, 10:45 AM Did you not just hear me? I said that that was ALL destroyed by the flood.
Yeah I got that bit about all being destroyed. But just as we've found evidence of dinosaurs (bones and footprints), we should have found evidence of these great cities. We haven't so it's pretty likely that atlantis was the only one.
other than to talk shit about my wife. That pretty much makes you dirt. I have no use for dirt in my life.
Hey sorry about that. Your wife's a real nice women. Really talented. Tell her from me, same time next week.
xcept68 06-14-2008, 03:24 PM You just stated the evidence for yourself. Atlantis remember? We've found all sorts of right angled large stones in the ocean off the coast, we've found evidence in the black sea, and the dead sea. I think it's funny how you can state it's evidence that aliens came when there isn't one scrap of proof for this at all. There's much more proof for an advanced society, people that lived MUCH longer than we did prior to the flood, imagine how much knowledge they would have living for 7 and 800 years. Then co-mingling with the fallen angels created super race of man that were as the Bible states "The heroes of old, men of renown". There's alot in that one sentence.
xcept68 06-14-2008, 04:03 PM http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba17.htm
Proof outside of the Bible. Also eludes to long ages of men in babylonia
GiantRobotDelux 06-16-2008, 05:05 AM http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba17.htm
Proof outside of the Bible. Also eludes to long ages of men in babylonia
These are the sources of the article you linked to.
245:1 Genesis, xii and xiii.
246:1 Genesis, xiv, 13.
246:2 Ibid., xxiii.
246:3 Ezekiel, xvi, 3.
247:1 Genesis, xiv, 1-4.
247:2 Ibid., 5-24.
250:1 Babylonian and Assyrian Laws, Contracts, and Letters, C. H. W. Johns, pp. 392 et seq.
255:1 Translation by Johns in Babylonian and Assyrian Laws, Contracts, and Letters, pp. 390 et seq.
256:1 Matthew, ix, 37.
256:2 Johns's Babylonian and Assyrian Laws, &c., pp. 371-2.
Also.. the article refers to the Christian (or Common) Era.. not Christ or Jesus, or the alpha and omega, or the son god. Or even the flood.
GiantRobotDelux 06-16-2008, 05:06 AM Although it does state
SUN worship came into prominence in its most fully developed form during the obscure period which followed the decline of the Dynasty of Isin. This was probably due to the changed political conditions which brought about the ascendancy for a time of Larsa, the seat of the Sumerian sun cult, and of Sippar, the seat of the Akkadian sun cult. Larsa was selected as the capital of the Elamite conquerors, while their rivals, the Amorites, appear to have first established their power at Sippar.
lancaster 06-16-2008, 06:13 AM http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/mba17.htm
Proof outside of the Bible. Also eludes to long ages of men in babylonia
So you agree that things after the flood, like the pyramids and the Nazca lines were made with alien assistance.
xcept68 06-16-2008, 08:30 AM no I don't. They were made by man and by the power of slaves. Don't you know ANYTHING about history other than what you find on Wiki and google?
lancaster 06-16-2008, 08:38 AM They were made by man and by the power of slaves
No. If man had easy access to the technology to build structures with that level of precision there would be more structures than what there are.
GiantRobotDelux 06-16-2008, 04:01 PM No. If man had easy access to the technology to build structures with that level of precision there would be more structures than what there are.
There are 7 great pyramids on the earth and 1 beneath the ocean off of the cost of Japan. They all date around 5-6 thousand years old.
fun fact, the pyramids of giza point east the rest of the pyramids point north, south, and west.
xcept68 06-16-2008, 05:02 PM lies...
GiantRobotDelux 06-16-2008, 07:08 PM lies...
Well first of all, the great pyramids are a architectural reflection of Orion's belt in the constellation Orion. Orion is in the Eastern sky. The entrances to each building are on the north sides, and they follow a straight line East. As does the Sphynx.
lancaster 06-17-2008, 10:05 AM Well first of all, the great pyramids are a architectural reflection of Orion's belt in the constellation Orion. Orion is in the Eastern sky. The entrances to each building are on the north sides, and they follow a straight line East. As does the Sphynx.
Hey cool, I didn't know that. I wonder what the ancient egyptians found so special about the Orion constellation?
GiantRobotDelux 06-17-2008, 05:35 PM Hey cool, I didn't know that. I wonder what the ancient egyptians found so special about the Orion constellation?
It was Isis and Osiris that they were interested in. Which are the constellations that we know today..
here is a picture of Isis and her baby horus (Osiris was her husband and brother)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/MaryAndHorus.JPG
I think we all know who the second photo is.
GiantRobotDelux 06-17-2008, 05:39 PM Among these names of Roman Isis, Queen of Heaven is outstanding for its long and continuous history. Herodotus identified Isis with the Greek and Roman goddesses of agriculture, Demeter and Ceres. In later years, Isis also had temples throughout Europe, Africa, and Asia.
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