Defranco STRONG documentary

[Zere]

trailers

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[blevunly]

I've been waiting for this for awhile, should be good.

[Rob]

I've always wanted to push myself in an environment like that but I'm too weak and not athletically impressive to join a group like that.

The doco should be good, I'm looking forward to it.

[Cung-Le]

looks dopeeee

whens it comin out?

[Radar]

that looks awesome

[Radar]

I just downloaded DeFrancos Super Strength - seems to cover a lot of the stuff in this documentary.

[Cung-Le]

I just downloaded DeFrancos Super Strength - seems to cover a lot of the stuff in this documentary.

Where'd u find it?

[Radar]

Where'd u find it?

Are you familiar with MMA tracker..?

[Cung-Le]

Are you familiar with MMA tracker..?

.....nopeeee =(

[Radar]

.....nopeeee =(

oh


well that's where anyway

[Boss]

that looks cool

[parker]

post it on here

[Reaper Man]

Damn, that was quite a jump.

[TapOut136]

Can someone post this please?

[blevunly]

It hasn't been released yet.

[Xeones]

Well, the documentary wasn't exactly up to my expectations (it could be longer), by it was awesome anyway. Joe DeFranco rules. I'm posting the links:

http://uploading.com/files/C1G1AM2U/Strong.part1.rar.html
http://uploading.com/files/2XOL252T/Strong.part2.rar.html
http://uploading.com/files/CO6J7NIU/Strong.part3.rar.html
http://uploading.com/files/ASUSFXU1/Strong.part4.rar.html
http://uploading.com/files/CEDM6QKE/Strong.part5.rar.html
http://uploading.com/files/AW02K4GM/Strong.part6.rar.html

If you get slow speed, try to free register on that site, it should increase it. You can cheat the 24 hour limit of 100 and 300 MB (no-account and account) by changing the IP address (reseting the modem/connection) and/or registering another account. Or you can buy $4.95 3-day premium and enjoy :P

[unquiet]

I can't believe nobody has repped for the links. Thanks Xeones!

[Xeones]

Probably they weren't happy when they saw that those are not rapidshare links :D But better something then nothing, right?

[humpty]

Yeah, the links are slow but you can't get this anywhere else so a big reppedy rep to Xeones. Cheers fella.

[Reaper Man]

Probably they weren't happy when they saw that those are not rapidshare links :D But better something then nothing, right?

Hey if anyone has downloaded this yet, can someone repost it as rapidshare or megaupload links? I'm having a lot of trouble with this site, not just with the speed.

[TapOut136]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YPURF5CD

[Zere]

Website works pretty well for me. PATIENCE my friends...

[Reaper Man]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YPURF5CD

Link not available. :(

[Xeones]

That's the reason why I don't choose big file hosting services. The copyrighted files don't stay long.

[parker]

can you re upload it to megeupload of rapidshare please??

[Xeones]

Buy a $4.95 3-day premium and download that without any problems...

[TapOut136]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZAIAKCUP

[humpty]

That 4.99 membership is looking better all the time.

[Zere]

watched it. was pretty good. not great or anything but relatively inspirational.

[Reaper Man]

watched it. was pretty good. not great or anything but relatively inspirational.

Yeah, it didn't really have much to say. Also, I must admit, I've read some of DeFranco's programs and after seeing the documentary there doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to his workouts. They seem to emphasize "hardcore" over "intelligent". E.g. he cares more about things being dirty or grungy than them working. He spent about five minutes talking about how badass chains felt and about five seconds talking about their relevance to strength and conditioning.

[Xeones]

It's not really his fault. It's directing. They had way more material (you can see that a lot of stuff from trailers is missing). It was not a documentary about his training methods, it was about his gym. He doesn't emphasize "hardcore" over "intelligent". He uses a westside/conjugate methods, which have a big science behind them,. If you want a DVD about his training methods, then go watch his Super Strength. If you want to go deeper behind his training methods, then go read Louie Simmons. If you want to go deeper than that then go read Verkoshansky, Zatsiorsky, Siff, Roman, Medvedyev, Prilepin...

50 minutes is just not enough. A lot of material was cut out for no reason. They had a footage of those British guys back in England, performing. They had more about Deon, about EJ, about that wrestler kid...Had that girl from trailer...Whoever did a final cut on that documentary needs a drop kick in the face.

[TapOut136]

It's not really his fault. It's directing. They had way more material (you can see that a lot of stuff from trailers is missing). It was not a documentary about his training methods, it was about his gym. He doesn't emphasize "hardcore" over "intelligent". He uses a westside/conjugate methods, which have a big science behind them,. If you want a DVD about his training methods, then go watch his Super Strength. If you want to go deeper behind his training methods, then go read Louie Simmons. If you want to go deeper than that than go read Verkoshansky, Zatsiorsky, Siff, Roman, Medvedyev, Prilepin...

50 minutes is just not enough. A lot of material was cut out for no reason. They had a footage of those British guys back in England, performing. They had more about Deon, about EJ, about that wrestler kid...Had that girl from trailer...Whoever did a final cut on that documentary needs a drop kick in the face.

+1 very well put

Honestly, it is not very "intelligent" to insinuate that the westside/conjugate method is essentially without reason.

[Reaper Man]

From my exposure to his programs, they are rather haphazardly designed and do NOT reflect the actual Westside/conjugate periodization programs.

Sure he utilizes a dynamic/explosive element and emphasized max effort lifting coupled with accessory training, but it is a forced Westside template rather than the real thing.

Also, the unsafe manner in which the exercises were being performed (the tire flips and power rack walk stand out in my mind) disturbed me.

However, I willingly admit that I am not extremely familiar with DeFranco or his training methods. What I know of him is merely from the few articles written by him that I have read and this documentary. I ran myself through an eight week block of his hugely popular "Westside for Skinny Bastards" program and was quite unimpressed.

He is certainly head and shoulders above most guys out there, but he does not hold a candle the top trainers in the country from what I have seen of him.

[Reaper Man]

Honestly, it is not very "intelligent" to insinuate that the westside/conjugate method is essentially without reason.

I agree, but who did that?

[Xeones]

What I know of him is merely from the few articles written by him that I have read and this documentary. I ran myself through an eight week block of his hugely popular "Westside for Skinny Bastards" program and was quite unimpressed.

Westside for Skinny Bastard is just what it is. Simple program for skinny bastards. You can't make assumptions based on that. I think that the results of his athletes speak for themselves. And I don't mean just the ones in documentary. I mean the dozens of others.


I ran myself through an eight week block
Eight week? You rotate ME and DE exercises every three weeks. How did you come up with eight? You can't blame the program, you need to blame yourself. Ask yourself about your nutrition during that program, ask yourself about the exercise choices, about weights....and you'll see that you failed because of you, not the program itself.

[Xeones]

Imho, no one can judge Joe Defranco about anything until they train at the Defranco's Gym. I don't see the bunch of guys that got drafted because of Joe complaining about anything. I don't see anyone who visited Joe's gym and wrote about it complaining about anything.



He is certainly head and shoulders above most guys out there, but he does not hold a candle the top trainers in the country from what I have seen of him.
Well, you're wrong. When it comes to combine prep and off season training Joe is one of, if not the, best coach in the country. Name one coach who's athletes had such results in past few years as Joe's. Name one coach who has Joe's reputation. Thing is, when you look at the, for example, awesome coaches like Eric Cressey (that man can fix you and build you) you'll see that they talked about Joe at some point on their blogs or in their articles. Same goes for strength guys like Dave Tate, Jim Wendler and the rest of EliteFTS. Or Louie Simmons himself. If the guys that accomplished much more than us, that have a knowledge that we don't have, have nothing but respect for Joe, ask yourself who are you to say anything against him.


Also, the unsafe manner in which the exercises were being performed (the tire flips and power rack walk stand out in my mind) disturbed me.
I think it's time to visit your gynecologist. Tire flips disturbed you? Have you ever flipped a tire? And what the hell is power rack walk? That's called yoke or super yoke, not power rack, lol. Reaper, no hard feelings, you are a good guy and all, but man don't talk about things you don't know.

[Reaper Man]

Eight week? You rotate ME and DE exercises every three weeks. How did you come up with eight? You can't blame the program, you need to blame yourself. Ask yourself about your nutrition during that program, ask yourself about the exercise choices, about weights....and you'll see that you failed because of you, not the program itself.

Er...I followed the template provided by DeFranco on his website--http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles.html

The program actually has precious little to say regarding periodization in general, but I followed his prescriptions. I schedule out four weeks at a time out of habit, and by eight weeks I was not impressed so I discontinued the program.

The program was not worthless...I saw some improvements, I just felt others were superior.

My nutrition was flawless (follow Berardi's Precision Nutrition) and I selected from the exercises DeFranco himself suggests.

[Xeones]

Well, eight weeks is just two rotations then. I don't know what exactly did you expect from that.


The program actually has precious little to say regarding periodization in general
Like I always say to people: If you want more from conjugate method, then don't follow some program blindly, do your research and make your own.

[Reaper Man]

Imho, no one can judge Joe Defranco about anything until they train at the Defranco's Gym. I don't see the bunch of guys that got drafted because of Joe complaining about anything. I don't see anyone who visited Joe's gym and wrote about it complaining about anything.


Well, you're wrong. When it comes to combine prep and off season training Joe is one of, if not the, best coach in the country. Name one coach who's athletes had such results in past few years as Joe's. Name one coach who has Joe's reputation. Thing is, when you, look at the, for example, awesome coaches like Eric Cressey (that man can fix you and build you) you'll see that they talked about Joe at some point on their blogs or in their articles. Same goes for strength guys like Dave Tate, Jim Wendler and the rest of EliteFTS. Or Louie Simmons himself. If the guys that accomplished much more than us, that have a knowledge that we don't have, have nothing but respect for Joe, ask yourself who are you to say anything against him.


I think it's time to visit your gynecologist. Tire flips disturbed you? Have you ever flipped a tire? And what the hell is power rack walk? That's called yoke or super yoke, not power rack, lol. Reaper, no hard feelings, you are a good guy and all, but man don't talk about things you don't know.

LOL. Okay man, I appreciate the ebooks and all, but are you Joe DeFranco's best buddy? You seem to be taking the criticism rather personally. Maybe Joe is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I don't know. As I said, I am simply expressing my lay opinion based on the material I have seen of him and his output.

And no, tire flips do not disturb me and yes I have flipped a tire. It was the manner in which they were lifted. The athletes clearly lacked the hip mobility to perform the action safely.

[Xeones]

but are you Joe DeFranco's best buddy
I wish :( (:D)

Ok man, we agree that we disagree. I don't want to get into pointless argument here. Let's stick to me sharing stuff and you saying thanks and that you love me :P

[humpty]

Ahhh, ain't that sweet? See, that's how all forum based 'discussions' should go.

Props to both for restoring my faith in human nature.

[Xeones]

Offtopic: Did anyone noticed that English is not my first language? Just curious.

[humpty]

Can't say I did, where are you from dude?

[Xeones]

Serbia (you know, evil Serbs), Southeastern Europe.

[Zere]

Arg. I agree some of that looked unsafe, but I'm not in any position to say that. You just gotta give props to the fucking intensity that gym creates, pretty amazing.

[Reaper Man]

Offtopic: Did anyone noticed that English is not my first language? Just curious.

I had an inkling. There were a few grammar errors that I noticed. I kind of wrote them off because everyone has them but the thought did cross my mind. I've taught people English who did not speak the language immediately and they were similar errors. Nothing very noticeable at all though. And most non-native speakers do not know they word "gynecologist" from my experience, lol.


Arg. I agree some of that looked unsafe, but I'm not in any position to say that. You just gotta give props to the fucking intensity that gym creates, pretty amazing.

I will agree it does look like a pretty fun gym to train at.

[Reaper Man]

Ahhh, ain't that sweet? See, that's how all forum based 'discussions' should go.

Props to both for restoring my faith in human nature.

STFU!!!!1