alright, my curiosity has finally gotten the best of me. i need to know what people think of the nightmare that is the PS3. i feel like im taking crazy pills when i listen to people talk about this heap of shit. who in their right mind would pay an extra 200 bucks for the system and 10-20 bucks per game on something that is, buy its manufacturers own admission, technologically inferior to its competition?!? am i the only one on planet earth that has no use for this pyle? other that SCEA games, which means god of war 3 in four years, why is this system even necessary? there is no more exclusivity, the 360 is cheaper, and its more powerful. its semi-backwards compatible, which is better than not at all. and its not using what can still optimistically be called an experimantal disk drive. i get the feeling that this is gonna be the most monumental fuck up in gaming since the nintendo 64 being cartridge based.

/dismount soapbox

so am i the only one that thinks this thing is gonna suck?

you always have to end up getting both to enjoy the exclusive games, there will always be exclusive games because thats how Sony and Microsoft compete. I don't know why you think the 360 is more powerful.

source?

read the specs. the head of development for sony flat out told everyone that he thought what microsoft was doing was stupid, and that the 360 was far more powerful than it needed to be. then, in the same breath, he talked about how sony was gonna revolutionize the world with blu ray. what a cunt. blu ray = beta-max 2k. needless to say, most developers dont even fill up a standard DVD, let alone one that costs twelve times as much, adn holds the retarded extra amount of data that blu ray does. and from the standpoint of exclusivity, sonys bread and butter has always been exclusive third party support, which, other than konami, no one is giving them this console generation. so we have a 6 month delay on the new castlevania titles and no god of war III if you dont own a ps3. come to think of it, i cant even recall any other games that sont actually developed for the PS2. on the flip side, microsoft had some pretty decent games developed for the xbox prior to their aquisition of rare. granted, rare hasnt put out anything good since conkers bad fur day, but the potential is always there. i just feel that sony is more trying to tell me what i want in a console instead of asking me. and 700 dollars to enjoy it on my HDTV. that can eat my cock all day long. id much rather have a 360 and the wii. i trust nintendos exclusive stuff. and even buying both, itll be about as much as the ps3.

I plan on getting both just like how right now I got an xbox and a Ps2, I want the xbox because of knights of the old republic and playstation for devil may cry

i guess ill have to reserve my judgement till its been out for a while. i just cant see the necessity for it. its always been a 3rd party driven platform, even from the ps one. without that exclusive 3rd party support, i just cant see the necessity for it. it just seems a little...... unnecessary i guess. its not like it does special things like the Wii will. other than play blu ray (useless shite) disks, its just an expensive sony console. tho, on a positive, for people that want it, it is "theoretically" going to be backwards compatible. i cant see that working too well with a completly new drive format. i guess the whole damn thing just pisses me off. i dont know why, but im really mad at sony about it.

yeah teh backward compatibility is gonna pwn. I like the idea that Microsoft doesent have a monopoly on everything

i dont see it so much as a monopoly with the gaming system. this time around they just made a better console. a considerably better console. its not like with windows, where it sucks, but there isnt anything else readily available. they really did their homework. i hated the original xbox, with a seething passion. they won me over. i remember talking to my microsoft rep at my store about it. she told me that they did focus groups all over the country with people like me that hated the original a lot. they asked em all what it would take to make em buy the next gen system. and they implimented around 60% of the feedback they got into the 360. that amazed me. totally won me over. then i read about sony saying that they will decide what gamers want. and i get MAD. i hate it when companies try to tell me what i want in a product. thats what killed the american automobile. the big three told people what they wanted, foreign manufacturers listened to what they were asking for. we all see what happened there.

I don't really think you should judge a system so harsh that hasnt come out yet. It can be argued which system is truly more powerful. The PS3 theoretically will process 4 times as much floating point performance. The PS3 will also use a higher level of resolution. You can't tell yet if Blu Ray's are gonna catch on or not but you have to admit in the future its gonna be nice having that much storage capacity even if they only end up using it for the PS3. Both companies will tell you their system is more powerful but what it really comes down to is if the developers can push the system to its limits in the future. Having both systems is good because the competition improves the overall product. If Microsoft owned everything it would turn the video game industry to shit.

im only being harsh on it because im really disappointed in it. the more i hear about it, the less i like it. my favorite rep at my store is my sony rep, and every time i talk to her about it, i like it less. im not downplaying the possibilities that the system presents, but if 30% of the people who own PS2s feel the way i do, itll never get to that, cause no one will develop for sony. and unlike nintendo, that would effectively kill sonys involvement in the gaming industry. im all for technological advancement, but why would they dump it all out now? thats just bad business. and a big gamble, since from what i can tell, most companies are leaning to HD-DVD to boot. on top of that, my store sells about 5 HD-DVD players for every blu ray player we sell. im a passionate guy, and when i see things i dont like, it really makes me upset. and i dont like what sony is doing with this at all. for the most part, it just seems like bad decision making. bear in mind that i hate microsoft with a passion, im not one of them microsoft weirdos that is gates-ized. i just think that they made the better system this cycle, and without good internal development like nintendo has, i dont know that sony can recover from it.

I think the blue ray technology will still be good for games even if it never catches on with movies, the PS3 will still play dvds so I dont know what the difference will be. I think the PS3 is gonna pwn just like the PS1 and the PS2. Sony will still have exclusive games just like how you don't see Devel May Cry on the xbox. All it takes is one must have game for me to blow a wad of cash on the system. If one day developers are able to take advantage of the Ps3's advanded processor then we might even see some never before seen stuff.

part of the problem is that no one signed that exclusivity with sony for this console generation. no one. so the big must own title you speak of will have to be a sony title. and since GoW II is a PS2 title, unless they have some magic hiding somewhere, itll be a while for that. other than GoW, i cant think of any title worth a crap that sony developed. i just cant see things going well for sony, and i dont unserstand why they would do this to themselves or us as consumers. im sure GoW III will be great, but i wont pay $770 for it. not that im not excited about the prospects that blu ray offers, but developers dont fill DVDs now, whats the point of all that extra space as it stands? im sure 5 or 6 years down the road itll be a different story, but with the average life cycle of consoles, itll be new system time by then.

$770? the ps3 will only be like 300-400, all systems are super expensive when they are released, wasnt the xbox360 like 300-400? The prices will be competitive and there will be exclusive games like Devil May Cry 3 for one and thats enough for me to buy. The cool thing about Blu Ray is we are gonna have extra movies and stuff inside of games.

I just checked it looks like the ps3 will be 500 when its released. Im going to wait until both systems are way cheaper then i will get both.

its supposed to be 599 or 699 depending on what you get, plus the 70 bucks per game they are looking at. price point on the 360 was 299 and 399. it averages 55 bucks per game. it also does a lot of stuff no one mentions. im using it to stream music from my pc thru my tv/stereo system. i think that for me thatll be what makes or breaks the ps3, the added features. other than the blu ray drive, i dont see it doing much else for me. this banter back and forth has definately weakened my strong feelings against it, but im still not in much of a hurry to run out and get one.

on an unrelated note, how long you think well go before someone else comments here?

yeah you gotta look at the good points

-processor with cell technology which can deleiver 4 times as many floating points as the xbox 360

-highest resolution of any gaming console ever

-6 degrees of freedom controller thats wireless and can be recharded while you play with a usb cable

-backward compatible with all your current ps2 games which will appeal to many customers who already have a PS2

-here a list of games which includes some very good exclusives

# Railfan (Ongakukan)
# Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom)
# Fatal Inertia (Koei)
# Blade Storm (Koei)
# Mahjong Taikai IV (Koei)
# Coded Arms Assault (Konami Digital Entertainment)
# Genji: Days of the Blade (SCEJ)
# Formula One World Championship (SCEJ)
# Heavenly Sword (SCEJ)
# Lair (SCEJ)
# MotorStorm (SCEJ)
# Resistance Fall of Man (SCEJ)
# The Eye of Judgment (SCEJ)
# Warhawk (SCEJ)
# Gran Turismo Series (SCEJ)
# Minna no Golf 5 (aka Hot Shots Golf, SCEJ)
# Ridge Racer 7 (Bandai Namco Games)
# Gundam Target in Sight (Bandai Namco Games)
# Armored Core 4 (From Software)

-blue ray technololgy that will give us extra features like whole movies inside of games, maybe your character goes inside a movie theatre and watches some cheesy horror flick

-will work with the psp in numerous ways

I will get both systems however because games like Halo and Knight of the Old Republic I cannot live without

You want to hear the truth (only time I have ever really heard it) He breaks it down geeky style! He thinks Sony has really made some bad descision this time around, and states that the new hardware is WAY harder to program for so many developers will be turned off (unless it is a know huge selling title where $ is guarunteed).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8&mode=related&search=

that was an excellent vid. thanks.

Its harder to program for but the end result will be better given its power. Think about 3 years from now when developers are used to the machine and have developed game engines they can use over and over again and programming is much easier.

The only way a system will fail is if it gets pushed out by another system. History has shown us that theres room at the top for 2 maybe 3. We have microsoft, sony and nintendo. Sega is gone and any nintendo system is gonna appeal to little kids. Theres no way the PS3 is gonna fail guys. Sony still have the biggest piece of the market share and the PS3's backward compatitbility is like having a system with 30000 titles at launch.

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The only way a system will fail is if it gets pushed out by another system. History has shown us that theres room at the top for 2 maybe 3. We have microsoft, sony and nintendo. Sega is gone and any nintendo system is gonna appeal to little kids. Theres no way the PS3 is gonna fail guys. Sony still have the biggest piece of the market share and the PS3's backward compatitbility is like having a system with 30000 titles at launch.

yeah, this is true. but you also have to take into account that at one time, there was only nintendo. nintendo tried to tell people what they wanted with the 64. when squaresoft decided they didnt want to work with the "limitations" of a system that made making games difficult, thats what put sony on the map. everyone else followed suit. nintendo still havent recovered, and that was 11 years ago. i think the Wii may well be what brings nintendo back to prominance. its seems to be a very promising system, and very innovative. if they can get some developement support, the Wii could be the sleeper system of this console cycle. speaking of title library at launch, how about anything on any nintendo system ever, plus turbo graphix 16 and most genesis titles? that excites me more than the potential for anything the Wii may do as a system.

Yeah thats some pretty cool stuff nintendos talking about, it would be pretty cool playing maximum carnage again.

check this out guys

from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3




Software development

The PlayStation 3, unlike the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 systems[citation needed], is based on open and publicly available application programming interfaces. The PlayStation 3 development kit was recently praised by IGN as having "distinct lack of noise and heat coming from the system". Despite earlier rumours of programming being difficult,[32] IGN reports that they were told that the dev kit "seemed extremely adaptive and easy to program for".[33]

thats a nice find too. im starting to think it might not be so bad when it drops about $300 in price. ill still have a Wii first, tho ill never say its name out loud. itll always be the revolution to me.

$600 is too much

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ps3 sux ass

here are the specs forr the ps3
http://playstation.about.com/od/ps3/a/PS3SpecsDetails_3.htm
here are the specs for xbox360
http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/1144/The-Xbox-360-System-Specifications/p1

not to dis the PS3 but I have a 360 so im going to stick with that

i know but the 360 is good for me

Tonight there talking about it on attack of the show. They have had problems with the blu ray laser or somthing like that. i think the xbox360 is way better personally.

Funny, because I was under the impression that M$ actually regretted the decision to forgo blu-ray/better specs to get a base market before the PS3 dropped.

PS3 is way too fucking expensive, but you get what you pay for, and it is pretty retarded to just make claims how inferior it is to the 360. Console wars, or actually just fags arguing which is better, is pointless. Buy whatever you want to buy, and enjoy it. All 3 of the next-gens look solid, and I like Sony's approach. They have every consoles niche plus a little something extra, like controllers that can operate in 3dimensional motion like the wii... not to mention that like it or not, Sony is the world leader market wise in the gaming industry - maybe bluray will flop... maybe not, but it's simply not true that developers aren't limited by the storage of a DVDs and the possibilities of bluray for games is significant.

Wii is cheap, xbox360 is affordable and PS3 needs a bank loan... I think the real gay thing is the fact that all 3 of them really need a high quality tv which costs more than all 3 put together.

good point made without the high def tv it is pointless

Yeah forget that. they should of thought that out a bit more

i really dont have a 360 but my brother does, so its mostly mine i play it more

I love my 360. I will love my PS3 and Wii when I get them too I am sure.

I was thinking of getting the PS3 but I am a Nintendo person and will probably be getting the Wii instead.