If you would be so kind; now that you are back at Ninjashoes, to explain to me your interpretation of the battle between God and Lucifer preluding to Lucifer's exile to hell. Impart on us some stories of battles in Heaven and Hell. Source or not, I doesn't matter to me.

Cheers in advance!

How could they even have battles, isn't God omnipotent? None the less let's hear the stories.

^ relax, this is going to be entertaining.

I will do just that for you:

Starting with a short version:

the Tri-une God created all the heavens and the Earth along with the Heavenly hosts (angels) (probably trillions of them, who knows) The bible does say there are quite a lot of them.

The angels objected to creating man, because of what would happen to the Son. God foreknew what would happen ultimately and His ways are well above our ways and that of any created being (Satan, and angels). Satan had a choice to serve and love God, this was his freewill to choose to love God freely and not seek to be worshipped as God is by Man.

Very likely and according to the timelines, Adam and Eve were without sin for 130 years before falling into sin. As satan was the one that was adored and looked up to as the angel (cherub) that led the evening worship and praise to God for all the other angels. But he wanted to be looked at and worshipped as Man does to God the Father. This caused satan to be judged immediately. Our judgement will be later and all at once. The angels are judged immediately. So satan was cast down to the earth and was allowed to tempt eve, these had free will and I believe that only Adam and Eve were the only ones with complete free will. For now, God will only allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear, and even then He will provide a way out for us.

God knew that in order to have an amount of people that freely love Him of their own accord, then they will have to have situations such as a temptor to test their love for Him.

I will elaborate on this more tomorrow.

lol that's some dumbass shit

it lacks logic on so many levels, is purposeless, and not even that interesting

I'm taking Satan in the first round via armbar

Give us the battle stories! Don't omit details about the raping and pillaging done by the victors.

but it was in the name of god. surely they were justified.

There was no war
As strange as it may seem to some of our ears, you need to realize that God and Satan are not, have never been, and never will be in a battle. Yes, they do have differing agendas, and perhaps it could be said that they are in opposition. But when two parties are in opposition to one another, and one is immensely more powerful than the other, their conflicts are not considered battles. Could a snail fight with Fedor? Hardly a fight don't you think?

Satan, like that snail, made a feeble attempt to oppose One who was immensely more powerful. His opposition was quickly dealt with, and he was expelled from heaven “like lightning.” There was no battle—there was only an expulsion.

If God is all-powerful, then Satan doesn’t have a ghost of a chance at slightly hindering God from doing what He wants to do. And if God does permit Satan to do something, ultimately it is only to accomplish His own divine will.

Obviously, God permitted Satan to make a choice regarding obedience or disobedience, which is what we call free will. But the only reason Satan possessed the authority to make a choice was because God gave him that authority.

Satan is no match for God. There is no comparison between God’s power and Satan’s power. Satan cannot even struggle against God’s great power

Satan could not resist. Jesus chose the metaphor, like lightning, to emphasize the speed with which Satan fell. He fell, not like molasses, but like lightning. He didn’t fall like a leaf from a tree or a rock from a cliff. Satan was in heaven one second, and in the next—BOOM!—he was gone!

*plays stairway to heaven in reverse*

There was no war

Revelations 12:7 - 9

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

According to Pope John XXI, 133,306,668 angels sided with Lucifer. That sounds like a war to me.

Now xcept68, stop BSing us. Tell us the battle stories. How many of Satan's followers did the Archangel Michael anally rape?

^ pwn

Maybe the angels just woke up one day and said "Fuck this" and left to do their own thing. So now god is all bitter and just created this "devil" business as a sort of smear campaign. When you die and go to heaven you probably have to work all day in jesus sweatshop making what would jesus do shirts. Everyone just sits around playing dominoes and drinks margaritas in hell.

Maybe the angels just woke up one day and said "Fuck this" and left to do their own thing. So now god is all bitter and just created this "devil" business as a sort of smear campaign. When you die and go to heaven you probably have to work all day in jesus sweatshop making what would jesus do shirts. Everyone just sits around playing dominoes and drinks margaritas in hell.

God is a union breaker.

Revelations 12:7 - 9



According to Pope John XXI, 133,306,668 angels sided with Lucifer. That sounds like a war to me.

Now xcept68, stop BSing us. Tell us the battle stories. How many of Satan's followers did the Archangel Michael anally rape?

Revelation 12:7-9 hasn't happened yet. That is the end of times. At which point Satan is imprisoned.
1/3rd of the angels chose to go with Satan, they were instantaneously judged and sent down out of heaven as a lightning bolt.

Popes and various other people do not know how many the angels number.

So then this would mean there is approx 400 million angels.

I am quite sure there are more than this.

My friend as you speak, satans angels/demons can tempt you by what you say and as you read they can tempt you by this. They cannot read your thoughts as God is the only omnipotent being. But their network is much more than the verizon network. These demonic hosts are about you always and roaminig upon the earth like a hungry lion waiting to devour and ruin you.

He hates you and wants to destroy you. Why would you want to be friendly and joke around with something like that?

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

why past tense?

http://luminescencias.blogspot.com/2_The%20Great%20Red%20Dragon%20and%20the%20Woman%2 0Clothed%20in%20Sun.jpg

good point, because this was the dream that John the revelator had and he is recalling his dream as the best he can. So this is why it is as a past tense, but great catch.

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Popes and various other people do not know how many the angels number.

So then this would mean there is approx 400 million angels.

I am quite sure there are more than this.

WTF?

What makes you so sure?

Maybe there are 3 angels. Just 3, and they have 400 million names that they use.

Popes and various other people do not know how many the angels number. Well the Pope is the head of the church, and the church decided which books to put in the bible and which to discard. I think that makes a Pope much more qualified than either of us to answer questions regarding their religion.

My friend as you speak, satans angels/demons can tempt you by what you say and as you read they can tempt you by this. They cannot read your thoughts as God is the only omnipotent being. But their network is much more than the verizon network. These demonic hosts are about you always and roaminig upon the earth like a hungry lion waiting to devour and ruin you.

He hates you and wants to destroy you. Why would you want to be friendly and joke around with something like that?

I'm being serious now. Could you please expand upon this? How can Satan tempt me by what I say? I don't even understand what that means. How can Satan devour and ruin me? This is something I've never understood about Christianity. What nastiness can Satan do to me that God can't do himself?

Well the Pope is the head of the church, and the church decided which books to put in the bible and which to discard. I think that makes a Pope much more qualified than either of us to answer questions regarding their religion.
This is a misnomer... The church did not decide. They were already decided. They did look at the council of Nicea and see the the various "secret" books of the Bible so they are called or the Apocrypha. And none of them are divinely inspired so this never was decided upon.
I'm sure if you do a google search you can find info on this.

I'm being serious now. Could you please expand upon this? How can Satan tempt me by what I say? I don't even understand what that means. How can Satan devour and ruin me? This is something I've never understood about Christianity. What nastiness can Satan do to me that God can't do himself?

Satan can devour and ruin you merely by you thinking that he doesn't exist. Not to mention thinking that God doesn't exist as well. Satan would rather pull you from the pew than the gutter. He will spend more time and energy pulling church goers than non-church-goers.

Satan cannot read minds. He can only tempt you by what you speak, because his "network" of demonic hosts would hear, read, or see what you do and use it to tempt you.

This is a misnomer... The church did not decide. They were already decided.
So they had a meeting to decide what it is that they had already decided upon. Makes perfect sense. My friend is a librarian and every Friday they have a meeting to decide whether their new books are in English or French.

Satan can devour and ruin you merely by you thinking that he doesn't exist.

No worries there. I believe that Satan exists every bit as much as God does.

"I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." - Lennon

how people can take the bible literally, is fucking mind boggling. Its merely meant to instill morals and values in people,... but people take it as the word of GOD! and that is the fundmental flaw in religion

Man penned the bible, and therefore it was intrupited by someone at some point, and is as flawed as humanity. And it is anything but a literal repenstation of the word of God. But we preach it as if it was

Hell is a scare tactic to make people believe, and the fact that we put impressionable youths in a classroom envoirment and tell that they have to believe in 'this' or ELSE!, is wrong on so many levels.

"I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." - Lennon

"Now I believe in myself more then anything. And I suppose, in a way, thats also believing in god. If there is a god and made you, then if you believe in yourself, your also believing in him." - Jimi Hendrix

how people can take the bible literally, is fucking mind boggling. Its merely meant to instill morals and values in people,... but people take it as the word of GOD! and that is the fundmental flaw in religion

Man penned the bible, and therefore it was intrupited by someone at some point, and is as flawed as humanity. And it is anything but a literal repenstation of the word of God. But we preach it as if it was

Hell is a scare tactic to make people believe, and the fact that we put impressionable youths in a classroom envoirment and tell that they have to believe in 'this' or ELSE!, is wrong on so many levels.

Great! If that were true... is it? Do you have any references we can look up for that info?

Great! If that were true... is it? Do you have any references we can look up for that info?

which part ? the one about the bible only being meant to instill morals and values in people... It just makes sense, the stories are inspiring and they preach fundemental values (dont kill, lie, cheat or steal) which I have no problem with... but to think some guy actually fit 2 over every animal on a boat when the world flooded, is nieve. Its not meant to be so literal

As for the part about Hell being a scare tactic, where we stick kids in a fucking Classroom!! and tell them that if they deny the holyspirt,, that they will burn in hell for enterity... Then I'm your reference, cause I was exposed to that envoriment as I'm sure alot of you were. Thankfully my family was openned minded enough to let me draw my own conclusion and not persicute or ridicule me for it.. which is more then I can say about alot of families and close mind religous types

It just makes sense, the stories are inspiring and they preach fundemental values (dont kill, lie, cheat or steal) Those are things you shouldn't do, but you forgot that the bible approves of murder, rape, bigotry, child abuse, slavery. They may be your fundamental values, and if so then stay the hell away from me.

but to think some guy actually fit 2 over every animal on a boat when the world flooded, is nieve. Its not meant to be so literal As much as I hate to say it, I actually agree with xcept68. If you're a bible bumper then the only logically acceptable position to have is that the bible is 100% literal.

Some people just pick and choose which parts of the bible they agree with and which parts they disagree with. All they are doing is using the bible as an appeal to authority to back up their believes and assertions. And they need that authority because they are weak and require external validation to make them feel that they're not the worthless piece of shit they secretly know themselves to be.

As for the part about Hell being a scare tactic, where we stick kids in a fucking Classroom!! and tell them that if they deny the holyspirt,, that they will burn in hell for enterity

The whole burn in hell thing was a Jesus invention, it's not in the old testament. And the reason you're going to burn in hell is because Jesus loves you. Now stop crying. If you don't stop crying Jesus is going to kill another kitten.

Those are things you shouldn't do, but you forgot that the bible approves of murder, rape, bigotry, child abuse, slavery. They may be your fundamental values, and if so then stay the hell away from me.

None of my personal morals are from the bible. I believe in secular ethics.

As much as I hate to say it, I actually agree with xcept68. If you're a bible bumper then the only logically acceptable position to have is that the bible is 100% literal.

what ? I don't think xcept68 was arguing that

Some people just pick and choose which parts of the bible they agree with and which parts they disagree with. All they are doing is using the bible as an appeal to authority to back up their believes and assertions. And they need that authority because they are weak and require external validation to make them feel that they're not the worthless piece of shit they secretly know themselves to be.

Sounds like alot of bullshit to me, you contradict your last point

You cannot possibly know what the truth is unless you have something for which to measure all things against that you know is true.

ofcoarse I don't know the truth... I never claim to know the truth. I consider myself as ignorant as any religous person.

tell me- why is the greek mythology false, yet the hilarity from the bible true?

Great question. Firstly, Greek mythology was around and very present while the apostles were speaking on the truth of Christ. They dispelled many myths of these mythologies and it is very well documented in the Bible.

What Greek Mythology do you think sounds more true than what's spoken of in the Bible?

What Greek Mythology do you think sounds more true than what's spoken of in the Bible?


In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

Sounds more true to me than Genesis:1

Great question. Firstly, Greek mythology was around and very present while the apostles were speaking on the truth of Christ. They dispelled many myths of these mythologies and it is very well documented in the Bible.

Bible chapters and verses please.

Great question. Firstly, Greek mythology was around and very present while the apostles were speaking on the truth of Christ. They dispelled many myths of these mythologies and it is very well documented in the Bible.

What Greek Mythology do you think sounds more true than what's spoken of in the Bible?

Well relative or cultural truth and things that actually have ontological aspects are different. Thankfully our understanding of truth has improved over time. Obviously, this is useful for putting the bible in its correct context a being merely an abstraction. Which should make everyone question the enduring utility of the a death cult that emerged in Bronze age Palestine promising among other things vicarious redemption through human sacrifice.

Bible chapters and verses please.

of course. I would have included them earlier but I was on a timecrunch.

Acts 19:26

and most of that chapter.

of course. I would have included them earlier but I was on a timecrunch.

Acts 19:26

and most of that chapter.

Thanks, reading now.


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Acts 19 verse 26
And you see and hear how this fellow Paul has convinced and led astray large numbers of people here in Ephesus and in practically the whole province of Asia. He says that man-made gods are no gods at all.

I think you've given the wrong chapter/verse. Acts 19 only mentions Greeks twice, and all it says is that Paul talked to them.

He says man made gods are no gods at all... you have to get this in perpspective of what was happening at the time. Paul and the other apostles were walking around Pergamum and standing next to carved statues of Greek dieties and stating how these gods are no gods at all. See the great thing about herminutics is the more you understand about the words in the Bible the more you realize that it tells you just enough of what you need to know so you can see what was happening without wasting so many words and creating a novel much like other religious works do. The Bible doesn't waste words.

The bible wastes plenty words. In fact, it wastes enough words that almost none of its purported adherents either understand it or follow it to any meaningful degree.

ima demon

...Paul and the other apostles were walking around Pergamum and standing next to carved statues of Greek dieties and stating how these gods are no gods at all.

Umm no. Please read the whole chapter. The man made gods that were talked about in the quote were literally silver statues of the Gods made by the silversmith Demetrius. Demetrius is talking to the other craftsmen and complaining that Paul's missionary work is bad for business.

verse 27 There is danger not only that our trade will lose its good name, but also that the temple of the great goddess Artemis will be discredited, and the goddess herself, who is worshiped throughout the province of Asia and the world, will be robbed of her divine majesty."

Next there's a near riot which is eventually calmed by a city clerk. End of chapter. At the start of the next chapter, Paul leaves the city.

There is nothing in that entire chapter about the greek myths being dispelled. You mistakenly gave the wrong reference and instead of admitting it, you are trying to run with it.

Either give a correct biblical reference for your claim of the bible dispelling the greeks myths, or admit that you don't have an answer for weeb.

You answered your own questions as well as weebs. You pointed out that the greek gods were indeed shown to be false. Good job!!!

No (I'll type slowly for you). A statue of a god is not a god. The greeks gods are as real as biblegod. A statue of Artemis is not a god, just like a statue of Jesus is not a god.

So in absence of an example showing otherwise, xcept68 has proved that the bible admits that biblegod is not greater than the greek gods.

Greek Gods > Christainity.

Zeus would have pwned Jesus. Look at him man...

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No (I'll type slowly for you). A statue of a god is not a god. The greeks gods are as real as biblegod. A statue of Artemis is not a god, just like a statue of Jesus is not a god.

So in absence of an example showing otherwise, xcept68 has proved that the bible admits that biblegod is not greater than the greek gods.

This is where you are lacking in understanding on this point. Jesus walked among us. He clearly showed to those that were present with Him who he is. The statues are merely statues and not gods at all. Christians do not worship a statue or the image of Christ, Christians do not stand in front of an image of Christ to pray at all. Because Christ is the living God and is at the right hand of the Father. Isaiah 44:6 and beyond covers this once again concerning the false gods that were made in the past and how they do not compare to the living Christ.

I cannot explain something like this to you when you clearly haven't a clue of what is true and what isn't. So I will decide not to answer your sarcasms from this point forward. Come back to me when you have something other than your dogmatic presuppositions.

Greek Gods > Christainity.

Zeus would have pwned Jesus. Look at him man...

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yeah go back to playing dungeons and dragons now...

And again as xcept68 loses yet another argument he devolves into insulting people.

xcept works in a gas station

This is where you are lacking in understanding on this point. Jesus walked among us. He clearly showed to those that were present with Him who he is. The statues are merely statues and not gods at all. Christians do not worship a statue or the image of Christ, Christians do not stand in front of an image of Christ to pray at all. Because Christ is the living God and is at the right hand of the Father. Isaiah 44:6 and beyond covers this once again concerning the false gods that were made in the past and how they do not compare to the living Christ.

I cannot explain something like this to you when you clearly haven't a clue of what is true and what isn't. So I will decide not to answer your sarcasms from this point forward. Come back to me when you have something other than your dogmatic presuppositions.

Gibberish

It's pretty funny that you're calling someone dogmatic for not understanding the finer points of your dealth cult.

you are free to believe and do what ever you like. That's what is so great about Christ. He wants everyone to be saved and come to know Him. However with that love, He doesn't force us to. Just like he won't force you into Heaven when you die.

This xcept68 guy pwns. If this was pro rasslin he'd be a great one. From babyface to heel and back again over and over.

^^^^How cool is that!!!

I'm not the only one taking notice bro.

Check out this thread: http://ninjashoes.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44992

How did he express this desire for everyone to be saved before his existence? Also, why does being saved have to involve mandatory observation and submission to the idea of vicarious redemption through torture and human sacrifice? This no doubt is an incredibly peculiar basis for morality. It’s highly unlikely that you have any meaningful insight about heaven, or any evidence that can support the veracity of your claims. Yet, without evidence you consistently state and restate opinions about things which you simply could not know.

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How did he express this desire for everyone to be saved before his existence?
Acts 4:12. As well as 1 Tim 2:1-6 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for ALL MEN ... for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who WILL HAVE A-L-L M-E-N TO BE SAVED, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave Himself a RANSOM FOR ALL, to be testified in due time."

Also, why does being saved have to involve mandatory observation and submission to the idea of vicarious redemption through torture and human sacrifice?
If you are referring to the Christ laying down his life for our sin debt, then, yes, it was necessary. Mainly because man freely chose to disobey God and fall into sin. God is perfect and cannot be in sin. He has no sin nature. We do not know the purpose that God puts upon us from the beginning, however knowing that Satan is also subservient to God. This means that Satan also does the will of God. Satan tempts us along with his demonic hosts. This is allowed in order that we may be able to chose to love God and decide to follow God of our own free will. Love freely given is the only true love, instead of love taken by force.

This no doubt is an incredibly peculiar basis for morality. It’s highly unlikely that you have any meaningful insight about heaven, or any evidence that can support the veracity of your claims.
Christ spoke more of Hell than He did of Heaven. He also stated that if I tell you of earthly things and you do not understand, how much more would you not understand of Heavenly things? As far as morality; Christians who are devoted to keeping Christ in their lives will notice things such as a decreased amount of sin in their lives. (This doesn't mean we are without sin, and also must ask for forgiveness. It means that when we fall down, we get back up. The sinner continues in sin. However we are unpluckable, no one can pluck us from God's hand. No amount of works or things that we do can take us from the hand of God. Therein lies your answer.
Yet, without evidence you consistently state and restate opinions about things which you simply could not know.
The evidence I state is purely what is provided to everyone in His word to us, the Holy Bible.

Revelation 12:7-9 hasn't happened yet. That is the end of times. At which point Satan is imprisoned.
1/3rd of the angels chose to go with Satan, they were instantaneously judged and sent down out of heaven as a lightning bolt.

Popes and various other people do not know how many the angels number.

So then this would mean there is approx 400 million angels.

I am quite sure there are more than this.

My friend as you speak, satans angels/demons can tempt you by what you say and as you read they can tempt you by this. They cannot read your thoughts as God is the only omnipotent being. But their network is much more than the verizon network. These demonic hosts are about you always and roaminig upon the earth like a hungry lion waiting to devour and ruin you.

He hates you and wants to destroy you. Why would you want to be friendly and joke around with something like that?


They can affect the world i'm in by tempting me in written word and tempting me in my own words but cant read my mind, is that what i'm reading?

true. I think you mixed something up however. By seeing what you are viewing, speaking, etc. Satan can use this to tempt you and pull you away from God. Satan and his demonic hosts cannot read our thoughts, for he isn't omnipotent as God is. But I'm sure he would beat us at poker anytime of the day. By merely reading our expressions. Wisdom is the most powerful thing in the earth and Satan has much of it.

you have more holes in your ideas than a rat after the mob catches up to him

feel free to elaborate if you would like to. Thanks!

true. I think you mixed something up however. By seeing what you are viewing, speaking, etc. Satan can use this to tempt you and pull you away from God. Satan and his demonic hosts cannot read our thoughts, for he isn't omnipotent as God is. But I'm sure he would beat us at poker anytime of the day. By merely reading our expressions. Wisdom is the most powerful thing in the earth and Satan has much of it.

he can hear and see what we are all doing, interpret our actions and words and use them against us to lead us into sin, but he cant read our minds?

how does he hear and see what we are all doing? and even though he can do that he cant hear our thoughts?

because he has demonic hosts, minions, fallen angels, spirits that are bound to the earth and want to turn man away from God, firstly by convincing them that they or Satan or God do not exist. Then he no longer has to mess with them and can spend resources on someone else. Without God, then even one single solitary sin, impure thought, stolen pencil, any of that completely condemns you. There is more to go indepth to this. But I am certain there are billions of fallen angels since 1/3 of the angelic hosts went with Satan.

:evil laughter:

muahahahaha

What are your views on this LK?

If you would be so kind; now that you are back at Ninjashoes, to explain to me your interpretation of the battle between God and Lucifer preluding to Lucifer's exile to hell. Impart on us some stories of battles in Heaven and Hell. Source or not, I doesn't matter to me.

Cheers in advance!

You just know that shit is gonna really make your head hurt.

Religion - Don't fuck me over and I'll try to be nice.
Philosophy - Their's not to reason why, their's but to do and die.

Too much time dwelling on the ancient past, yes we must learn from history but we have to remember that events witnessed by more than one person are never remembered ,and written about, the same, or even accurately, even today. Please, let's not argue 2000 years past events, or possible events, that in most cases were recorded dozens and in some cases hundreds of years after said blessed events.

You just know that shit is gonna really make your head hurt.

Religion - Don't fuck me over and I'll try to be nice.
Philosophy - Their's not to reason why, their's but to do and die.

Too much time dwelling on the ancient past, yes we must learn from history but we have to remember that events witnessed by more than one person are never remembered ,and written about, the same, or even accurately, even today. Please, let's not argue 2000 years past events, or possible events, that in most cases were recorded dozens and in some cases hundreds of years after said blessed events.

EXACTLY!!!

That's what's so amazing about the Biblical account. See, so many of the things have checked out even more accurate than other historical texts in the Bible than of any other ancient manuscript in recorded history. I find that fact alone great reason to further investigate the veracity of the Biblical account.

Got cha, it's so totally amazing how prophetic the Biblical accounts are, you know another brain blender? That Nostradamus guy, holy shit, have his calls been right on the money or what?

no, unfortunately, alot of his stuff has been shown not to be very accurate. I remember a required viewing in high school was the Nostradamus movie. It was pretty interesting and as a kid, I mean we viewed it in school so it has to be accurate right? So yeah, it was scary. So nowadays with current knowledge and technology, seems alot of the info provided by mr Nostradamus.. isn't as accurate as we thought. So with this same information and tech we have available today maybe we could disprove alot of the historical claims of the Bible, but seems more are being proved true than disproven.

I'm no expert, but it certainly makes you wanna look harder at it.

no, unfortunately, alot of his stuff has been shown not to be very accurate. I remember a required viewing in high school was the Nostradamus movie. It was pretty interesting and as a kid, I mean we viewed it in school so it has to be accurate right? So yeah, it was scary. So nowadays with current knowledge and technology, seems alot of the info provided by mr Nostradamus.. isn't as accurate as we thought. So with this same information and tech we have available today maybe we could disprove alot of the historical claims of the Bible, but seems more are being proved true than disproven.

I'm no expert, but it certainly makes you wanna look harder at it.

Well I looked a lot harder when I was young; in every way!
The point was to see the truth in the differences and similarities of my example.
As one group spends precious time and resources to prove, or disprove a chosen belief, which may or may not ever be proven, precious life is passing us by.
Your beliefs are yours and bless you, you don't have to justify them to anyone, save the time, use enjoying life and reckin bodies.

Christianity is not a religion it is reality.

werd

So with this same information and tech we have available today maybe we could disprove alot of the historical claims of the Bible, but seems more are being proved true than disproven.

I'm no expert, but it certainly makes you wanna look harder at it.

Ummmmm...just off the top of my head

NEVER PROVED
-Naohs Ark
-Zombie Jesus
-Garden Of Edan
-Heaven
-Hell
-Satan
-Demons
-Angels

and then

PROVED
Dinosaurs
Statues of Willendorf
and the list would go on, but I tired of talking with this gimmick xcept68. He will NEVER accept anything that goes against the Bible.

...and the list would go on, but I tired of talking with this gimmick xcept68. He will NEVER accept anything that goes against the Bible.

I don't think he's read much of the bible at all. Most of his bible claims are taken from pro christian websites. Kronker's right, he's Evil's gimmick. Would a mod like to do an IP check and settle this once and for all?

What are your views on this LK?

me and my e-comrades feel that either your are largely deluded or a magnificent troll job.

I don't think he's read much of the bible at all. Most of his bible claims are taken from pro christian websites. Kronker's right, he's Evil's gimmick. Would a mod like to do an IP check and settle this once and for all?

ROFL

Ummmmm...just off the top of my head

NEVER PROVED
-Naohs Ark
-Zombie Jesus
-Garden Of Edan
-Heaven
-Hell
-Satan
-Demons
-Angels

and then

PROVED
Dinosaurs
Statues of Willendorf
and the list would go on, but I tired of talking with this gimmick xcept68. He will NEVER accept anything that goes against the Bible.


yuo relly now howe to spel their... makes yu vry cridible and sound so edacated!


Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible and described. So if dinosaurs are proved and they are in the Bible, I guess that makes the Bible proved too!

ROFL

That's what happens when you deal with children.

and the Lord said " FLOOD THE MF"ER ".
it's obviously a wash.

yuo relly now howe to spel their... makes yu vry cridible and sound so edacated!


Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible and described. So if dinosaurs are proved and they are in the Bible, I guess that makes the Bible proved too!

I could have spelled every word wrong and still been way more credible than the mumbo-jumbo you spew out.

Oh and I wanna see these verses which mention dinos in the bible. It better not be some vague description of animals with big tails either.

That's what happens when you deal with children.

Hey, I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales

Hey, I'm not the one who believes in fairy tales

You make me laugh, good posting.

I really don't know what wires crossed in Zilla's mind in order to be the way that they are, but I don't suspect it will be fixed by anyone on ninjashoes.

I really don't know what wires crossed in Zilla's mind in order to be the way that they are, but I don't suspect it will be fixed by anyone on ninjashoes.


I'm not looking to be fixed or saved by crazy insecure people such as yourself. You are weak-minded and rely on religion to justify your pathetic existance.

Just because you live your life based on fairy tales from back in the day when people were DUMB as rocks, don't act like something is wrong with me.

I am simply trying to point you towards true enlightenment.

Hello pot, meet kettle. Do you realize the insane amount of superstitions you add to your life with your views? You've got to be kidding with this one right

Hello pot, meet kettle. Do you realize the insane amount of superstitions you add to your life with your views? You've got to be kidding with this one right

First off, a bible thumper such as yourself would never understand or tolerate my views.

No, I'm not kidding.
No, I do not realize the insane amount of superstitions I add to my life???
What the hell does that even mean?

xcept works in a gas station, if he doesn't have god, what the fuck would he have?

xcept works in a gas station, if he doesn't have god, what the fuck would he have?

+1

Christianity is not a religion it is reality.

you are the craziest mother fucker on this whole website.

First off, a bible thumper such as yourself would never understand or tolerate my views.

No, I'm not kidding.
No, I do not realize the insane amount of superstitions I add to my life???
What the hell does that even mean?

There is but one reality my friend. You are in conflict with that reality if you are attempting to live in opposition to it. I would suggest getting back to reality and stop trying to paddle up stream.

+1

+2!

missed a spot on my window, jethro.

There is but one reality my friend. You are in conflict with that reality if you are attempting to live in opposition to it. I would suggest getting back to reality and stop trying to paddle up stream.

The reality is that you don't exist and you are a figment of my imagination as am I a figment of yours. We are the exact same person, the same mind, the same everything, the reason we look so different, sound so different, and act different is because we are living in opposition to reality.

The reality is that you don't exist and you are a figment of my imagination as am I a figment of yours. We are the exact same person, the same mind, the same everything, the reason we look so different, sound so different, and act different is because we are living in opposition to reality.

You don't believe in free will?

There is but one reality my friend. You are in conflict with that reality if you are attempting to live in opposition to it. I would suggest getting back to reality and stop trying to paddle up stream.

You wanna talk about reality... This is coming from the guy who believes in magical boats, zombies, and all sorts of mumbo jumbo.

I am not in conflict or opposition with this reality or any reality for that matter. I am not paddling at all, more like enjoying the ride and every once in a while throwing an ore in the water to steer which path to go down.

You are the one obviously with dellusions and can't accept reality. That is why you have to believe in mythical beings and magical places you go when you die.

christianity is full of hypocrisies. in one direction there is god's will and in the other is free will. make up your fucking minds.

You don't believe in free will?


Yes I do.

Yes I do.

Where do we get free will if we are all just products of our environment?

Oh, I get it--xcept is xceptionalguysd. Nice to see you around.

Xceptionalguysd is supposedly a 7'6" philanthropist named Calvin. I'm not kidding.

the bible was written by humans. there were many gospels not included in the bible. who decided, people not supernatural beings. goggle- First Council of Nicaea