I actually bout protein mix.

Do I take this drink before or after a workout?

Dunno if I asked this already but thanks anyways.

You want to take protein right after working out and should consume your shake slowly over about 30-45 mins. What kind did you get?

You want to take protein right after working out and should consume your shake slowly over about 30-45 mins. What kind did you get?

Alright thanks, It just says soy Whey Protein or whatever...I dont really know much about it but heard good things.

For some reason i am thinking SOY based whey isn't a good kind....not sure why but i remember reading it somewhere. I use just normal whey protein powder. Isopure is awsome if u can afford it too, a protein isolate with no additives.

i have a whey protein 2 scoop thing IMMEDIATLY after weight lifting....although i dont drink it slowly.....i actually just drink it all in one go at it, 2 scoops+some water, downed in like 10 seconds.....of course i still have a sensible meal about 30 min after that too also typically high in protein. But iv been doing that.

Right after if you're not using lifting supplements

If you are wait 2 hours.

40g is all you need don't exceed that.

I believe I've heard that Soy is estrogenic so that's bad. I think.

There's a big difference on what kind of nutrition you should take after lifting. Pure proteinshake isn't what you want to take. Right after workout you should take recoveryshake which includes a lot of carbs. You might think that why. Well the answer is that you need to get your glycogen storage full right after the work out and start the recovery process as fast as possible, recoverydrink does right that. Good recovery drink consists about 60% protein and 40% fast carbs.

Then you can take this pure protein as meal replacement, for example right before going to bed. If you do that make sure that you get as slowly digesting protein you can find. This way it will solely go to building muscle and not fat. I suggest that you go to some bodybuilding forum, because there you will get all the answers from guys who know their shit a lot better than people in here (no offense to anyone).

There's a big difference on what kind of nutrition you should take after lifting. Pure proteinshake isn't what you want to take. Right after workout you should take recoveryshake which includes a lot of carbs. You might think that why. Well the answer is that you need to get your glycogen storage full right after the work out and start the recovery process as fast as possible, recoverydrink does right that. Good recovery drink consists about 60% protein and 40% fast carbs.

Then you can take this pure protein as meal replacement, for example right before going to bed. If you do that make sure that you get as slowly digesting protein you can find. This way it will solely go to building muscle and not fat. I suggest that you go to some bodybuilding forum, because there you will get all the answers from guys who know their shit a lot better than people in here (no offense to anyone).

True, You need Carbs, Glutamene (Dont' know the correct spelling), and Omega 3 if you're gonna be active the rest of the day. (Glutamene won't help your energy levels but I have to if I want to be able to practice later without sore muscles bothering me).

Which you should be considering your workout should be in the morning.


The Protein can be taken any time during the day really, I've gotten the best results 2 hours after the workout however.

I've heard that soy protein lowers testosterone, which, obviously you don't want if you're hoping to put on muscle, but the research is inconclusive. Some people say it's just as good as any other protein supplement, and others swear you'll grow man boobs. There's no certainty, but I err on the side of caution.

These guys are right though about when to take your whey protein shake. After hard lifting, you need to nourish your muscles within 30 minutes to get the full benefits. In this window of time, you also need simple carbs to rush the nutrients to your muscle cells. You want to avoid fat during this time because it slows digestion. Not what you need in this time period. One of the best ways to get your protein and simple sugar is to mix some whey protein into some low-fat (fat-free is even better) chocolate milk. You'll get protein from the whey and casein protein from the milk. The sugar comes from the chocolate syrup. You could also have a chicken breast and a piece of fruit or something like that.

There's also a difference between whey and casein protein, and ideally your diet will include both. Whey protein is fast digesting, so it's best right after a workout. Casein protein (the kind in dairy) digests more slowly, so it's good to take some before you go to bed so you'll have a steady supply of protein during your sleep when you're not eating. Some cottage cheese and fruit or yogurt will do the trick.

The easy thing to remember is whey after a workout and casein before bed.

At other times of the day you can choose whichever protein source you like, preferably meat and eggs, but whey and casein are good substitutes also.

ah yeah, so soy is bad..ok. I'll have to buy another one of those gallons of this stuff.
All this does is muscle recovery:s hmm, well hopefully it puts on a lil bit more muscle. Im tired of the 180lbs mark. Goal is to get a bit bigger...fuck I've been trying this for so long now.

There's a big difference on what kind of nutrition you should take after lifting. Pure proteinshake isn't what you want to take. Right after workout you should take recoveryshake which includes a lot of carbs. You might think that why. Well the answer is that you need to get your glycogen storage full right after the work out and start the recovery process as fast as possible, recoverydrink does right that. Good recovery drink consists about 60% protein and 40% fast carbs.

Then you can take this pure protein as meal replacement, for example right before going to bed. If you do that make sure that you get as slowly digesting protein you can find. This way it will solely go to building muscle and not fat. I suggest that you go to some bodybuilding forum, because there you will get all the answers from guys who know their shit a lot better than people in here (no offense to anyone).

Yes and no. Depends on body type. People that put weight on easily don't need carbs right afterworkout. I don't take it because when I was, I started putting fat on.

For tiny guys like Kundurp, peaking the insulin is a great idea to stop your body from going into a catabolic state.

Yes and no. Depends on body type. People that put weight on easily don't need carbs right afterworkout. I don't take it because when I was, I started putting fat on.

For tiny guys like Kundurp, peaking the insulin is a great idea to stop your body from going into a catabolic state.

Well a lot of research is pointing towards taking a High Glycemic Index sugar(dextrose being the best choice) after a workout with whey. You have the simplest carbs and protein immediately following the workout for fastest absorption. You are right about the sugar and the insulin spike caused. This spike has been shown to allow the body to use the protein most efficiently. Why take protein if it is just going to be used for glycogen storage, when it could be used for anabolism?

At all other times I suggest limiting or eliminating simple carbs, and replace them with oats or wheat.

As for soy, I would say it is fine as long as it isn;t overdone. There are plenty other protein sources that have higher bioavailability.

Ok before I go buy a new one, I have some more questions just so I dont waste anymore money.
COPY AND PASTE

Whats the best whey protein I can buy?
Would this make me bigger?
Would it be good if I take it days I dont workout?
Best fruits or foods to mix with the Protein?
How long does it take to see some results?
Would taking Protein mix before a workout give me a boost?


Thats about it...thanks.

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Whats the best whey protein I can buy?

As far as brand goes, I like Designer Whey. It doesn't have the chemical taste that some proteins can have, and they have a wide variety of flavors. Ideally, you want to find one that gives you about 20 grams per serving, which most do. Really whatever is in your budget and whatever you like should suffice regarding the brand.

Would this make me bigger?

Protein just repairs muscles and are essentially the building blocks for muscles. You won't get bigger just ingesting a ton of protein. Whether you put on size depends on your workout regimen (your sets, reps, rest, the heft of the weight, etc. that's another topic though.) After a hard workout, the protein will help you grow muscle though but the results depend less on the protein and more on how you're training.

Would it be good if I take it days I dont workout?

Sure. If I'm running late in the morning or busy, I'll blend a protein shake and hit the road. Your body needs protein whether you're a competitive bodybuilder or a feeble old lady. It's a macronutrient that you can't go without. What changes is the amount you need. On days you don't work out, you won't need as much. So you can take whey protein when you're not lifting and use it as a meal replacement if you can't sit down and have a real meal. You just don't need to take as much as you would when you're training.

Best fruits or foods to mix with the Protein?

After a workout, I think it's best to stick to fat-free milk, whey and a high-glycemic source such as the chocolate syrup for flavor or a sweet fruit. You can toss in just about anything you have on hand: strawberries, berries, cherries, melon, mango, banana, etc. When I make a protein shake as a quick meal, I'll also include a healthy fat source such as flax seed or peanut butter. One of my favorite ones is vanilla whey (or praline if you can find it), milk, banana and peanut butter. Tastes like a Butterfinger.

How long does it take to see some results?

Again, that depends on your training and genetics. Protein supplements will help you repair and build muscle after you train, but it's not like steroids or something. Protein alone won't cut it. Your training regimen often determines whether you add bulk, strength or whether you get lean. Also, some people are just genetically better at gaining muscle and others have to work harder. If you have a fast metabolism, for instance, it'll often be hard to keep up the caloric intake you need to put on weight. For other people, it's no sweat though.

Would taking Protein mix before a workout give me a boost?

Your body does need a little protein before a workout, but not much. The protein itself won't give you the boost because it doesn't cause a rise in blood sugar. Really a simple carb source will do the trick. Have some fruit or juice about half an hour or so before you work out, and that should give you a bit of an energy boost. A cup of coffee can rev you up too.

Hope this helps.

-- And don't worry about the soy. Instead of wasting it and buying another jug of protein, just finish it up and switch when you run out. Studies also show that if you eat cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, etc.) they combat the effects of plant estrogens such as those you might get in soy. Soy itself is good protein and great for your heart, so if you double up on these veggies when you're taking it you should be fine. You should be eating a ton of veggies anyway.

Best,

Whats the best whey protein I can buy?

As far as brand goes, I like Designer Whey. It doesn't have the chemical taste that some proteins can have, and they have a wide variety of flavors. Ideally, you want to find one that gives you about 20 grams per serving, which most do. Really whatever is in your budget and whatever you like should suffice regarding the brand.

Would this make me bigger?

Protein just repairs muscles and are essentially the building blocks for muscles. You won't get bigger just ingesting a ton of protein. Whether you put on size depends on your workout regimen (your sets, reps, rest, the heft of the weight, etc. that's another topic though.) After a hard workout, the protein will help you grow muscle though but the results depend less on the protein and more on how you're training.

Would it be good if I take it days I dont workout?

Sure. If I'm running late in the morning or busy, I'll blend a protein shake and hit the road. Your body needs protein whether you're a competitive bodybuilder or a feeble old lady. It's a macronutrient that you can't go without. What changes is the amount you need. On days you don't work out, you won't need as much. So you can take whey protein when you're not lifting and use it as a meal replacement if you can't sit down and have a real meal. You just don't need to take as much as you would when you're training.

Best fruits or foods to mix with the Protein?

After a workout, I think it's best to stick to fat-free milk, whey and a high-glycemic source such as the chocolate syrup for flavor or a sweet fruit. You can toss in just about anything you have on hand: strawberries, berries, cherries, melon, mango, banana, etc. When I make a protein shake as a quick meal, I'll also include a healthy fat source such as flax seed or peanut butter. One of my favorite ones is vanilla whey (or praline if you can find it), milk, banana and peanut butter. Tastes like a Butterfinger.

How long does it take to see some results?

Again, that depends on your training and genetics. Protein supplements will help you repair and build muscle after you train, but it's not like steroids or something. Protein alone won't cut it. Your training regimen often determines whether you add bulk, strength or whether you get lean. Also, some people are just genetically better at gaining muscle and others have to work harder. If you have a fast metabolism, for instance, it'll often be hard to keep up the caloric intake you need to put on weight. For other people, it's no sweat though.

Would taking Protein mix before a workout give me a boost?

Your body does need a little protein before a workout, but not much. The protein itself won't give you the boost because it doesn't cause a rise in blood sugar. Really a simple carb source will do the trick. Have some fruit or juice about half an hour or so before you work out, and that should give you a bit of an energy boost. A cup of coffee can rev you up too.

Hope this helps.

-- And don't worry about the soy. Instead of wasting it and buying another jug of protein, just finish it up and switch when you run out. Studies also show that if you eat cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, etc.) they combat the effects of plant estrogens such as those you might get in soy. Soy itself is good protein and great for your heart, so if you double up on these veggies when you're taking it you should be fine. You should be eating a ton of veggies anyway.

Best,

hey thanks alot man, that is awsome information. Ya deserve a rep.

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/leaneating_1.htm

Demling et al (2000) compared two groups on a 2100 to 2300kcal diet containing 143gP (26%), 286gC (52%), and 49gF (20%). Both groups weight trained for twelve weeks but received 75g of their daily protein intake from either a whey-based drink or a milk-protein isolate drink (80% casein, 20% whey). At the end of the study, the milk-protein isolate group lost more fat (15.4lbs vs. 9.2lbs), gained more lean mass (9lbs vs. 4.4lbs), and gained more upper and lower body strength than the whey group. It appears that milk protein isolate ingestion, when on a training program, may be a better way to enhance fat loss and muscle gain.

You should be having a quality meal before training if possible about 1-2 hours before, if not take a shake before approx. 30-45 minutes before. Post workout you definately should take it WITHIN 45 MINUTES, THAT IS YOUR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY. Now depending on your goals you can add a carb source of your liking. When i'm trying to gain size I add a creatine supplement with dextrose into my shake and take it asap after lifting. When i'm cutting, i switch out the dextrose and use plain creatine mono with oats in the shake of course with a couple scoops of protein.
I highly recomend bringing a shaker bottle to the gym if you do cardio after your hit the weights and drink your post workout shake ASAP after cardio.

I like designer whey too, for a free sample voucher you can print out www.designerwhey.com protein 2.go they fucking stole my idea...

Well a lot of research is pointing towards taking a High Glycemic Index sugar(dextrose being the best choice) after a workout with whey. You have the simplest carbs and protein immediately following the workout for fastest absorption. You are right about the sugar and the insulin spike caused. This spike has been shown to allow the body to use the protein most efficiently. Why take protein if it is just going to be used for glycogen storage, when it could be used for anabolism?

At all other times I suggest limiting or eliminating simple carbs, and replace them with oats or wheat.

As for soy, I would say it is fine as long as it isn;t overdone. There are plenty other protein sources that have higher bioavailability.

Dextrose is terrible for you. It's basically a poison to your body. Sugar is bad for you. Even after a workout.

And my protein doesn't go to glycogen storage, it goes to my muscles and makes me bigger, where as if I took that poisonous sugar I would become fat. Reading one article from bodybuilding.com doesn't make you right. Bodybuilding.com has a lot of bullshit on it and just because someone gains muscle or has a muscular body, doesn't meant they're healthy inside.

Putting high glycemic foods into your body can really fuck up your hormones and your digestive system, which affects your immune system which can lead to a host of diseases and afflictions.

Dextrose is terrible for you. It's basically a poison to your body. Sugar is bad for you. Even after a workout.

And my protein doesn't go to glycogen storage, it goes to my muscles and makes me bigger, where as if I took that poisonous sugar I would become fat. Reading one article from bodybuilding.com doesn't make you right. Bodybuilding.com has a lot of bullshit on it and just because someone gains muscle or has a muscular body, doesn't meant they're healthy inside.

Putting high glycemic foods into your body can really fuck up your hormones and your digestive system, which affects your immune system which can lead to a host of diseases and afflictions.

Thanks for your insight. You got me beat. I actually get my info from scientific research and textbooks and teachers, since I major in exercise physiology. But, I guess I will take my info from some random person on a message board instead from now on.:gojerkit:
Just because you spend every waking minute hanging on message boards and have thousands of posts doesnt make you right.

glucose(pure sugar) that has rapid absorption causes insulins secretion which is much better than having cortisol secreted and eating your muscles after a workout. Insulin is good post workout. Look up cell-tech sometime. People got a lot better results from that than regular creatine a while a go. I dont know the trend nowadays for creatine, but basically that was due to insulin helping the creatine cellular transport. Yes, this works very similarly for protein as well.

muscle is made of protein, protein is made of amino acids. aminos can be used almost the same as glucose in the metabolic pathways. If you leave your bloodsugar low, like it should be after a workout then muscle catabolism will take place reducing your muscle to amino acids to be used for energy. This is why it is important to replenish glycogen(storage form of gucose)
I dont have money to waste on supplements that i am not tying to maximize the effectiveness of.

*This is the only time I advocate the taking of refined sugar

Thanks for your insight. You got me beat. I actually get my info from scientific research and textbooks and teachers, since I major in exercise physiology. But, I guess I will take my info from some random person on a message board instead from now on.:gojerkit:
Just because you spend every waking minute hanging on message boards and have thousands of posts doesnt make you right.

glucose(pure sugar) that has rapid absorption causes insulins secretion which is much better than having cortisol secreted and eating your muscles after a workout. Insulin is good post workout. Look up cell-tech sometime. People got a lot better results from that than regular creatine a while a go. I dont know the trend nowadays for creatine, but basically that was due to insulin helping the creatine cellular transport. Yes, this works very similarly for protein as well.

muscle is made of protein, protein is made of amino acids. aminos can be used almost the same as glucose in the metabolic pathways. If you leave your bloodsugar low, like it should be after a workout then muscle catabolism will take place reducing your muscle to amino acids to be used for energy. This is why it is important to replenish glycogen(storage form of gucose)
I dont have money to waste on supplements that i am not tying to maximize the effectiveness of.

*This is the only time I advocate the taking of refined sugar

Thankyou. I'm glad you agree with me. Masturbating over sugar is probably some sort of mental illness. You might want to get that checked out.

Fair enough, Id probably say what you did too when I became aware that I was over my head, and could no longer debate a rational argument further.

But keep in mind that you are the one who came in and attacked my sound advise out of nowhere. And the only thing I agree with is that not only is refined sugar "bad" for you, so is all of the other over-processed foods in our diet. If we want to go that route we should just say that it is better to shop at a whole foods store and eat organic. I hardly think taking in 50-75g of dextrose postworkout 3 times a week is going to kill me when Im eating oatmeal and wheat bread all day long the rest of the week.

Right after if you're not using lifting supplements

If you are wait 2 hours.

40g is all you need don't exceed that.

pffff no more than 24 grams

I eat about 60 grams of protein a day and i got more muscle than most here.

Testosterone > Protein

high protein is such a shit myth its not even funny

I eat 1/3 of the protein of elderly obese women and have 8 000 x the muscle mass

TESTOSTERONE is what makes blacks strongest

not protein

tools

high protein is such a shit myth its not even funny

I eat 1/3 of the protein of elderly obese women and have 8 000 x the muscle mass

TESTOSTERONE is what makes blacks strongest

not protein

tools

HGH > Testosterone :owned:

Fair enough, Id probably say what you did too when I became aware that I was over my head, and could no longer debate a rational argument further.

But keep in mind that you are the one who came in and attacked my sound advise out of nowhere. And the only thing I agree with is that not only is refined sugar "bad" for you, so is all of the other over-processed foods in our diet. If we want to go that route we should just say that it is better to shop at a whole foods store and eat organic. I hardly think taking in 50-75g of dextrose postworkout 3 times a week is going to kill me when Im eating oatmeal and wheat bread all day long the rest of the week.

It might not affect you or be completely detrimental to you but I don't know your body type. It affects certain body types much harsher than others. If you are a hard gainer then you can probably get away with it but I don't understand why you wouldn't want to just drink orange juice with your protein shape.

Also, most people aren't strict on their diet like you are.

Finally, that shit is highly addictive.

People think corn is good for you and it is, but when you break it down into a specialized syrup, then it becomes a drug. Just like a cocoa plant is okay to eat, when you break it down into cocaine its terrible for you.

http://www.antiaginglifeextension.com/health_matters_minutes/articles/high_fructose_corn_syrup.asp?a=&c=&p=
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/07/22/debate-about-dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup.aspx
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/79/4/537

etc etc

There is no such thing as soy whey protein, unless it's a blend of two different sources. Soy is plant based, whey is found as a component of whole milk protein.

Schools of thought suggest drinking before, after and even DURING your workout, so I guess the whole point is, get it inter ya. If possible (i.e training at home) I drink one during and then another after. Also, if you mix a no-carb with with milk, the natural sugars (lactose) in the milk will give you your carb fix post-workout

...or so Nanna said.

casein has the highest retention but also the slow absorption. whey has lower retention but fast absorption. Casein_whey mixture is the best. Best taken post workout and before sleeping. Post workout you can add some carbs too as body needs energy.

yea, for workout music, you basically need hard-hitting euro-dance music....
nothing else does the job really. Search around on iTunes for "euro club hits"
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Thanks for your insight. You got me beat. I actually get my info from scientific research and textbooks and teachers, since I major in exercise physiology. But, I guess I will take my info from some random person on a message board instead from now on.:gojerkit:
Just because you spend every waking minute hanging on message boards and have thousands of posts doesnt make you right.

glucose(pure sugar) that has rapid absorption causes insulins secretion which is much better than having cortisol secreted and eating your muscles after a workout. Insulin is good post workout. Look up cell-tech sometime. People got a lot better results from that than regular creatine a while a go. I dont know the trend nowadays for creatine, but basically that was due to insulin helping the creatine cellular transport. Yes, this works very similarly for protein as well.

muscle is made of protein, protein is made of amino acids. aminos can be used almost the same as glucose in the metabolic pathways. If you leave your bloodsugar low, like it should be after a workout then muscle catabolism will take place reducing your muscle to amino acids to be used for energy. This is why it is important to replenish glycogen(storage form of gucose)
I dont have money to waste on supplements that i am not tying to maximize the effectiveness of.

*This is the only time I advocate the taking of refined sugar

Yeah, you know your shit. And kronker is a faggot fucking fuck...:sifone::sifone:

high protein is such a shit myth its not even funny

I eat 1/3 of the protein of elderly obese women and have 8 000 x the muscle mass

TESTOSTERONE is what makes blacks strongest

not protein

tools



ORL'Y, All this time i've been wasting my time taking in protein. Lol, you have muscle mass??????

pffff no more than 24 grams

I eat about 60 grams of protein a day and i got more muscle than most here.

Testosterone > Protein



Yea if you weigh a buck 50. Just curious on how you get your testosterone? Roids, supplements? Just curious cause i don't you have a clue on what your doing.

Yea if you weigh a buck 50. Just curious on how you get your testosterone? Roids, supplements? Just curious cause i don't you have a clue on what your doing.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/silva_69/IMG_0514.jpg

I've actually plenty of muscle mass which i hide always under my black clohing... everyone gets extra test from zinc supplements and shit tons of fruits

protein is a giant myth

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/silva_69/IMG_0514.jpg

I've actually plenty of muscle mass which i hide always under my black clohing... everyone gets extra test from zinc supplements and shit tons of fruits

protein is a giant myth

Fruits..?

Jesus.

Fruits..?

Jesus.

eat foods very high in vitamin c and zinc and you will never have to worry about protein...your test will be high enuf to compensate for ANY lack of macro nutrients

i've been in poverty my whole life and eat low very low amounts of protein.....trust me guys...testosterone is EVERYTHING

^LOLOLOLOL You're scrawny dude sorry to break it to you. I'm a FAT 185 right now and i'm bigger muscle wise and still more cut. I"ll post pics after I get through this madness cut diet Im going on and I get down to 165. 20 lbs in 20 days

WAR LIPO-6 SugerFree Monster and Optimum Nutritrion Pro Performance Whey + Muscle Milk CaseinWhey hybrid

im naturally jacked and awesome

^LOLOLOLOL You're scrawny dude sorry to break it to you. I'm a FAT 185 right now and i'm bigger muscle wise and still more cut. I"ll post pics after I get through this madness cut diet Im going on and I get down to 165. 20 lbs in 20 days

WAR LIPO-6 SugerFree Monster and Optimum Nutritrion Pro Performance Whey + Muscle Milk CaseinWhey hybrid

you lack natural confidence and testosterone thus you must resort to major supplements

^at least you have enough swagger and ego to make up for everything else

^at least you have *unjustified swagger and ego to make up for everything else

*fixed