View Full Version : Imprison People Before They Commit A Crime Say Experts.


kermitthefrayer
03-13-2008, 04:28 PM
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=181
13.03.2008

A massive break through was reported last week by the press that a team of world-leading neuroscientists at Berkeley University of California have reached 70% accuracy in reading the thoughts of humans, sometimes even with accuracy above 90%. The new devices dubbed ‘brain scanners’ are used remotely without any need of physical contact with the target person.

You can see from the London Guardian report published below that experts have urged it to be used for imprisoning people before they commit a crime, prosecuting them with an incriminating brain scan. Undoubtedly this will be brought in by governments under the broad banner of terrorism. And undoubtedly it will be used on the public just like other surveillance measures brought in. Experts are also using doublespeaking to stop the apathetic public from desiring a ban on the use of this technology in law, as Professor Haynes doublespeaks, “if we prohibit it, we are also denying people who aren’t going to commit any crime the possibility of proving their innocence.” What the Professor is saying is that everyone will be deemed guilty by default; the law will arrest people before they commit crimes, and as there can be no evidence on something that has not yet happened the only way people can defend themselves is by submitting to thought scans. It won’t matter what your real thoughts are, only what the scan report says they are, which judges (and most likely the public) will believe to be true as neuroscientists, Government officials, and the manufacturers of the device will assure us that they are accurate. Thankfully now our “enlightened civilization” can imprison people such as animal protestors who have a desire to free tortured animals from labs… years before they might do so.


What’s on your mind?
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hFENtkJbBelxxiTZL0-moLUUz4SA
05.03.2008

United States on Wednesday said they had made extraordinary progress towards reading the brain.

The tool used by the University of California at Berkeley neuroscientists is functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), a non-invasive scanner that detects minute flows of blood within the brain, thus highlighting which cerebral areas are triggered by light, sound and touch.

They notched up a 92-percent success rate with one volunteer, and accuracy was 72 percent in the other. The probability of this happening on the basis of chance — i.e. the computer picking the right image out of the 120 — is only 0.8 percent.

*Full Article in link above*


The brain scan that can read people’s intentions.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/feb/09/neuroscience.ethicsofscience
09.02.2007

A team of world-leading neuroscientists has developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person’s brain and read their intentions before they act.

The research breaks controversial new ground in scientists’ ability to probe people’s minds and eavesdrop on their thoughts, and raises serious ethical issues over how brain-reading technology may be used in the future.

“Using the scanner, we could look around the brain for this information and read out something that from the outside there’s no way you could possibly tell is in there. It’s like shining a torch around, looking for writing on a wall,” said John-Dylan Haynes at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Germany, who led the study with colleagues at University College London and Oxford University.

The latest work reveals the dramatic pace at which neuroscience is progressing… If brain-reading can be refined, it could quickly be adopted…, and even usher in a “Minority Report” era.., where judgments are handed down before the law is broken on the strength of an incriminating brain scan.

“These things are going to come to us in the next few years and we should really be prepared,” Professor Haynes told the Guardian.

The use of brain scanners to judge whether people are likely to commit crimes is a contentious issue that society should tackle now, according to Prof Haynes. “We see the danger that this might become compulsory one day, but we have to be aware that if we prohibit it, we are also denying people who aren’t going to commit any crime the possibility of proving their innocence.”

During the study, the researchers asked volunteers to decide whether to add or subtract two numbers they were later shown on a screen.

Before the numbers flashed up, they were given a brain scan using a technique called functional magnetic imaging resonance. The researchers then used a software that had been designed to spot subtle differences in brain activity to predict the person’s intentions with 70% accuracy.

…researchers are already devising ways of deducing what patterns are associated with different thoughts.

Professor Colin Blakemore, a neuroscientist and director of the Medical Research Council, said: … what you can be absolutely sure of is that these will continue to roll out and we will have more and more ability to probe people’s intentions, minds, background thoughts, hopes and emotions.

FAQ: Mind reading

What have the scientists developed?
They have devised a system that analyses brain activity to work out a person’s intentions before they have acted on them. More advanced versions may be able to read complex thoughts and even pick them up before the person is conscious of them.

How does it work?
The computer learns unique patterns of brain activity or signatures that correspond to different thoughts. It then scans the brain to look for these signatures and predicts what the person is thinking.

How could it be used?
It is expected to drive advances in brain-controlled computers… they may be able to spot people who plan to commit crimes before they break the law.

*Full article in link above*

blevunly
03-13-2008, 07:05 PM
Well atleast now "thought crimes" will be thought crimes. Minority report was a good movie.

Nasty Nate
03-13-2008, 07:34 PM
scary

Rynoplasty
03-13-2008, 07:43 PM
Fuck that. That is freaky stuff. Who doesn't think about committing certain crimes? Everyone does, it is just that most normal people are able to weigh out the consequences.

dragonfly
03-13-2008, 08:01 PM
fucking hell

beetsh
03-13-2008, 08:55 PM
dieoff is going to jail.

kermitthefrayer
03-13-2008, 09:11 PM
Phillip K Dick book is Better than Tom Crazyuise movie!!!!

Also A Scanner Darkly is another good Philip K Dick adaption.


But fuck this is so scary!

Thomas Ace
03-13-2008, 10:17 PM
Well atleast now "thought crimes" will be thought crimes. Minority report was a good movie.

LOL that was the first thought that popped into my mind when I looked at the title of the thread... Minority Report will become a documentary.

beetsh
03-13-2008, 10:24 PM
i read about this shit in a moebius comic like 20 years ago..

beetsh
03-13-2008, 10:25 PM
which is why you wanna practice your meditation then they cant catch you.

Lord Krishna
03-13-2008, 11:04 PM
which is why you wanna practice your meditation then they cant catch you.

yo BTJ, how did the vipassna go?

beetsh
03-13-2008, 11:28 PM
still practising. no major improvements as yet but im only doing it like once a week.

Lord Krishna
03-13-2008, 11:46 PM
still practising. no major improvements as yet but im only doing it like once a week.

Hmm, dont do it as a task or something serious. In fact, dont even "do it". Just let the breathing happen on its own, just observe it.......

GiantRobotDelux
03-14-2008, 09:39 AM
Privacy.

beetsh
03-14-2008, 12:24 PM
Hmm, dont do it as a task or something serious. In fact, dont even "do it". Just let the breathing happen on its own, just observe it.......

as one would a scantily clad neighbour through her bedroom window?

blevunly
03-15-2008, 03:31 AM
Phillip K Dick book is Better than Tom Crazyuise movie!!!!

Also A Scanner Darkly is another good Philip K Dick adaption.


But fuck this is so scary!

A scanner Darkly was a great movie and I never would've realized Alex Jones was in it if it wasn't for you kermit.

pokey
03-15-2008, 03:57 AM
this sounds like something out of a bad movie....o wait

Lord Krishna
03-15-2008, 05:36 AM
as one would a scantily clad neighbour through her bedroom window?

yea, while sitting on an easychair

FLemshady
03-15-2008, 05:47 AM
so does this prove there is no free will? or take away from it

GiantRobotDelux
03-17-2008, 06:03 AM
so does this prove there is no free will? or take away from it

It's essentially a way for the government to imprison you without an excuse.

kronker
03-20-2008, 06:27 AM
A scanner Darkly was a great movie and I never would've realized Alex Jones was in it if it wasn't for you kermit.

I didn't realize he was in it either. I knew he was in A Waking Life

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Oh heres the other one.

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kermitthefrayer
03-20-2008, 02:29 PM
WAR Alex Jones!

blevunly
03-20-2008, 04:27 PM
I didn't realize he was in it either. I knew he was in A Waking Life

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Oh heres the other one.

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Is A Waking Life good?

kermitthefrayer
03-20-2008, 09:56 PM
YES!

GiantRobotDelux
03-25-2008, 06:47 AM
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YouSlayMe
03-28-2008, 03:18 PM
so does this prove there is no free will? or take away from it
it proves our government is in serious need of an overhaul...

fuck those fuckers!!!

fuck em...

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg284/galtower/fuck-the-fucking-fuckers2.jpg