This seems to cover everything, do you think anyting else like Sambo?

Sambo seems to be very good..

SO yeah add that and your set to go.

But for an all rounded fighter...I say...Jiu-jitsu+Judo+Muay Thai=Greatness.

Freestyle wrestling or greco-roman wrestling?
Or it doensn't make much of a difference?

wrestling/sambo/Bjj/Muay Thai = unstoppable

just for the grappling side I mean guys, I think Greco wrestling would be good too

yeah greco owns in the clinch, and so does judo.

im doing all 3 of those right now !

Greco or Judo + BJJ is the best combo. Although some people might say that catch is enough.

bjj + jjj for strikes and Ground and pound + Wrestling for takedowns and strength training = Beastly

Judo = Bloody and missing a tooth (Karro anyone?)

ONe question though...
6 foot 8, 244 Pure Striker here (mostly) waht woudl you guys say is best Grappling disciplin for the Bigger guys?

wrestling is better for balance and gaining postion on your opponent beacause that is the objective in wrestling, not to submit. Plus it can be useful for gnp.

wrestling is better for balance and gaining postion on your opponent beacause that is the objective in wrestling, not to submit. Plus it can be useful for gnp.

in the lower weight classes i would say bjj and any type of boxing, maybe muy tai, but i think muy tai would be better on heavier fighters with strong wrestling backgrounds. sombo is good cuz its all about balance.

Sambo.

For MMA and Self Protection, Combat Sambo.

Fedor is probably good at mma because combat sambo competitions basically are mma. It's funny though the guys who developed Sambo and BJJ are direct students of Jigoro Kano(the creator of Judo).

heres sambo from wiki



<h2>History of Sambo</h2>
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Book cover of a book about Sambo released in 1973.</div>
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<p>The founders of Sambo sifted deliberately through all of the world’s martial arts to augment their military’s hand-to-hand combat system. One of these men, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Vasili_Oshchepkov&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Vasili Oshchepkov">Vasili Oshchepkov</a>, taught <a href="/wiki/Judo" title="Judo">judo</a> and karate to elite <a href="/wiki/Red_Army" title="Red Army">Red Army</a> forces at the Central Red Army House. He had earned his nidan (second degree black belt out of then five only) from judo’s founder, <a href="/wiki/Jigoro_Kano" title="Jigoro Kano">Jigoro Kano</a>, and used some of the Osensei’s philosophy in formulating the early development of the new Russian art.</p>

<p>Sambo, however, was born of native Russian and other regional styles of <a href="/wiki/Grappling" title="Grappling">grappling</a> and <a href="/wiki/Combatives" title="Combatives">combative</a> <a href="/wiki/Wrestling" title="Wrestling">wrestling</a> bolstered with the most useful and adaptable concepts and techniques from the rest of the world.</p>
<p>As the buffer between <a href="/wiki/Europe" title="Europe">Europe</a> and <a href="/wiki/Asia" title="Asia">Asia</a>, Russia had more than ample opportunities to sift through the martial skills of various invaders. Earlier Russians had experienced threats from the <a href="/wiki/Vikings" title="Vikings">Vikings</a> in the west and the <a href="/wiki/Tatars" title="Tatars">Tatars</a> and <a href="/wiki/Genghis_Khan" title="Genghis Khan">Genghis Khan</a>’s <a href="/wiki/Golden_Horde" title="Golden Horde">Golden Horde</a> from <a href="/wiki/Mongolia" title="Mongolia">Mongolia</a> in the east. The regional, <a href="/wiki/Native_combat_systems" title="Native combat systems">native combat systems</a> included in Sambo’s genesis are <a href="/wiki/Tuvan" title="Tuvan">Tuvan</a> <a href="/wiki/K%C3%B6r%C3%A4%C5%9F" title="Köräş">Köräş</a>, <a href="/wiki/Yakuts" title="Yakuts">Yakuts</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Khapsagai&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Khapsagai">khapsagai</a>, <a href="/wiki/Chuvash" title="Chuvash">Chuvash</a> <a href="/wiki/Akatuy" title="Akatuy">akatuy</a>, <a href="/wiki/Georgian_people" title="Georgian people">Georgian</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Chidaoba&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Chidaoba">chidaoba</a>, <a href="/wiki/Moldavian" title="Moldavian">Moldavian</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Trinta&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Trinta">trinta</a>, <a href="/wiki/Armenians" title="Armenians">Armenian</a> <a href="/w/index.php?title=Kokh&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Kokh">kokh</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Uzbek" title="Uzbek">Uzbek</a> <a href="/wiki/Kurash" title="Kurash">Kurash</a> to name a few.</p>

<p>The foreign influences included various styles of European <a href="/wiki/Wrestling" title="Wrestling">Wrestling</a> styles, oriental <a href="/wiki/Jujitsu" title="Jujitsu">jujitsu</a>, and other martial arts of the day plus the classical <a href="/wiki/Olympic_sports" title="Olympic sports">Olympic sports</a> of <a href="/wiki/Boxing" title="Boxing">boxing</a>, <a href="/wiki/Greco-Roman_wrestling" title="Greco-Roman wrestling">Greco-Roman</a> and <a href="/wiki/Free-style_wrestling" title="Free-style wrestling">free-style wrestling</a>. Sambo even derived <a href="/w/index.php?title=Lunging&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Lunging">lunging</a> and <a href="/wiki/Parrying" title="Parrying">parrying</a> techniques from Italian scherma <a href="/wiki/Fencing" title="Fencing">fencing</a>.</p>

<p>Sambo’s early development stemmed from the independent efforts of Oshchepkov and another Russian, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Victor_Spiridonov&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Victor Spiridonov">Victor Spiridonov</a>, to integrate the techniques of judo into native wrestling styles. Both men hoped that the Soviet wrestling styles could be improved by an infusion of the techniques distilled from jujitsu by <a href="/wiki/Kano" title="Kano">Kano</a> into his new style of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Jacket_wrestling&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Jacket wrestling">jacket wrestling</a>.</p>
<p>In <a href="/wiki/1918" title="1918">1918</a>, <a href="/wiki/Lenin" title="Lenin">Lenin</a> created <a href="/w/index.php?title=Vseobuch&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Vseobuch">Vseobuch</a> (<a href="/w/index.php?title=Vseobshchee_voennoye_obuchienie&amp;ac tion=edit" class="new" title="Vseobshchee voennoye obuchienie">Vseobshchee voennoye obuchienie</a> or <a href="/w/index.php?title=General_Military_Training&amp;action=e dit" class="new" title="General Military Training">General Military Training</a>) under the leadership of <a href="/w/index.php?title=N.I._Podovoyskiy&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="N.I. Podovoyskiy">N.I. Podovoyskiy</a> to train the <a href="/wiki/Red_Army" title="Red Army">Red Army</a>. The task of developing and organizing Russian military hand-to-hand combat training fell to <a href="/w/index.php?title=K._Voroshilov&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="K. Voroshilov">K. Voroshilov</a>, who in turn, created the <a href="/wiki/NKVD" title="NKVD">NKVD</a> <a href="/wiki/Physical_training" title="Physical training">physical training</a> center, “<a href="/wiki/Dinamo" title="Dinamo">Dinamo</a>.”</p>

<p>Spiridonov was a <a href="/w/index.php?title=Combat_veteran&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Combat veteran">combat veteran</a> of <a href="/wiki/World_War_I" title="World War I">World War I</a>, and one of the first wrestling and self-defense instructors hired for Dinamo. His background included Greco-Roman wrestling, Free style wrestling, and many Slavic wrestling styles. As a “combatives investigator” for Dinamo, he traveled to <a href="/wiki/Mongolia" title="Mongolia">Mongolia</a> and <a href="/wiki/China" title="China">China</a> to observe their native fighting styles.</p>
<p>In 1923, Oshchepkov and Spiridinov collaborated with a team of other experts on a grant from the Soviet government to improve the Red Army’s <a href="/wiki/Hand-to-hand_combat" title="Hand-to-hand combat">hand-to-hand combat</a> system. Spiridonov had envisioned integrating all of the world’s fighting systems into one comprehensive style that could adapt to any threat. Oshchepkov had observed Kano’s distillation of <a href="/w/index.php?title=Tenjin_Shin%E2%80%99yo_Ryu&amp;action= edit" class="new" title="Tenjin Shin’yo Ryu">Tenjin Shin’yo Ryu</a> jujitsu and <a href="/wiki/Kito_Ryu" title="Kito Ryu">Kito Ryu</a> jujitsu into judo, and he had developed the insight required to evaluate and integrate combative techniques into a new system. Their development team was supplemented by <a href="/w/index.php?title=Anatoly_Kharlampiev&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Anatoly Kharlampiev">Anatoly Kharlampiev</a> and <a href="/w/index.php?title=I.V._Vasiliev&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="I.V. Vasiliev">I.V. Vasiliev</a> who also traveled the globe to study the native fighting arts of the world. Ten years in the making, their catalogue of techniques was instrumental in formulating the early framework of the art to be eventually referred to as Sambo. Here, Oshchepkov and Spiridonov’s improvements in Russian wrestling slipped into the military’s hand-to-hand-combat system.</p>

<p>Kharlampiev is often called the father of Sambo. This may be largely semantics since only he had the longevity and political connections to remain with the art while the new system was called “Sambo”. Spiridonov was the first to actually begin referring to the new system as one of the “S” variations cited above. He eventually developed a softer, more “<a href="/wiki/Aikido" title="Aikido">aikido</a>-like” system called Samoz that could be used by smaller, weaker practitioners or even wounded soldiers and <a href="/wiki/Secret_agent" title="Secret agent">secret agents</a>. Spiridonov’s inspiration to develop Samoz stemmed from an injury that he suffered that greatly restricted his ability to practice Sambo or wrestling. Refined versions of Sambo are still used today or fused with specific Sambo applications to meet the needs of Russian <a href="/wiki/Commando" title="Commando">commandos</a> today.</p>
<p>Each technique for Sambo was carefully dissected and considered for its merits, and if found acceptable in unarmed combat, refined to reach Sambo’s ultimate goal: stop an armed or unarmed adversary in the least time possible. Thus, the best techniques of jujitsu and its softer cousin, Judo, entered the Sambo repertoire. When the techniques were perfected, they were woven into Sambo applications for personal self-defense, <a href="/wiki/Police" title="Police">police</a>, <a href="/wiki/Crowd_control" title="Crowd control">crowd control</a>, <a href="/w/index.php?title=Border_guards&amp;action=edit" class="new" title="Border guards">border guards</a>, <a href="/wiki/Secret_police" title="Secret police">secret police</a>, <a href="/wiki/Bodyguards" title="Bodyguards">dignitary protection</a>, <a href="/wiki/Psychiatric_hospital" title="Psychiatric hospital">psychiatric hospital</a> staff, <a href="/wiki/Military" title="Military">military</a>, and <a href="/wiki/Commando" title="Commando">commandos</a>.</p>

Fedor is probably good at mma because combat sambo competitions basically are mma. It's funny though the guys who developed Sambo and BJJ are direct students of Jigoro Kano(the creator of Judo).

Combat Sambo competitions are MMA with a gi. There is still high regard for pinning down an opponent also.

jiujitsu and sambo derive from judo

jiujitsu and sambo derive from judo

Judo came from Jiu Jitsu. Jigaro Kano removed the striking and called it Judo.
Count Koma taught it as Jiu Jitsu to the Gracies, who adapted and innovated it.

Sambo is an amalgamation of all the national Soviet styles in the 1930's. One of the founders who created the Sambo federation held a belt in Judo.

greco for big guys.

Judo is badass cuz you have those badass hip throws like Karo did to diego

BJJ/Sambo/Muay Thai/Wrestling/Judo

unstoppable forces when used correctly

Judo is a great sport and good for learning throws but it is different when someone isn't wearing a gi....I personally would think a form of wrestling would be what I would prefer....but as for others as long as you can easily go from form to form it doesn't matter what you know!!

Judo + Sambo + Muay

Judo came from Jiu Jitsu. Jigaro Kano removed the striking and called it Judo.
Count Koma taught it as Jiu Jitsu to the Gracies, who adapted and innovated it.


I think the original art of which judo and other mas have developed from is usually referred to as jujutsu. It might be due to differences in spelling the japanese words that jiu jitsu and jujutsu are spelled differently.


And for the threadstartes I'd ad sambo becouse if sambo is in there is more focus on leg locks.

For grappling:
Judo for upper body takedowns/throws.
Wrestling for leg attack takedowns, strong base, and staying on top.
BJJ for submissions and sweeps.
Sambo for leglocks.
For striking:
Muay Thai for elbows, knees, and kicks.
Boxing for punches and head movement.
After that, all you need is conditioning, heart, and a chin.

screw sambo and judo

wrestling is way better than judo

BJJ/Wrestling/Muay Thai

Freestyle wrestling + Bjj = great grappling!!!!

i prefer her training in bj personally

it certainly is

bjj/mt/judo
i think you need to be training twice a day 5/6 days a week =unstopable

submission wrestling

As primarily a BJJ guy who wrestles I'd go with BJJ/Wrestling as being the ultimate combo. Don't think Judo is neccasary.