View Full Version : Spygate News You Won't See on ESPN


MMAsterkillah
03-10-2008, 07:20 PM
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/03/09/to_some_patriots_accuser_matt_walsh_is_calculating _bitter/?page=1

"He sounded like a loose cannon," said the coworker, who asked not to be identified to avoid entangling his new employer in the controversy. "He was very bitter about how things ended with the Patriots and he seemed like he was keen on using whatever he had to get back at them by going public and really trying to damage the team."

A league source said NFL investigators found two practical reasons why the Patriots could not have used their video equipment to tape the Rams the day before the Super Bowl. First, the team's video crew did not take any battery packs to the Superdome because they planned only to set up the equipment, not to use it. Second, the league confirmed there was no electrical power available at the camera positions in the stadium.

In addition, an NFL investigator interviewed a Patriots employee who left the Superdome that day with Walsh and quoted Walsh as saying, "We should have taped that," according to a person familiar with the league's inquiry."

More on Walsh, Specter's supposed Golden Boy:
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2008/03/09/to_some_patriots_accuser_matt_walsh_is_calculating _bitter/?page=full
"In developing a portrait of Walsh, a personable sports lover now working as an assistant golf pro in Hawaii, the Globe also learned that he has exaggerated or misrepresented elements of his online biography, and that he was dismissed from the Springfield College golf team in 1995 after he played a dangerous prank on a woman.

The Patriots, through an NFL lawyer, have made clear to Walsh that they consider any tapes he might possess possible stolen property and would want the tapes returned.

The team, for example, is missing video of Adam Vinatieri kicking the winning field goal in the 2002 Super Bowl. The tape was recorded by an end zone camera Walsh operated during the game and also could have been used to record the Rams' defensive signals.

The NFL has informed Walsh's lawyer it will not pursue charges against Walsh if he turns over any property, gives the league any other evidence, and speaks truthfully about his tenure with the team. He also is a central figure in inquiries by Senator Arlen Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania, and a class-action suit filed in New Orleans against the Patriots and Belichick.

Amid the saga, Walsh's PGA membership was suspended in December because he failed to meet expected progress with his educational courses, according to a PGA official."

"After high school, Walsh worked a summer as a cart boy at his neighborhood course, Twin Hills Country Club, before he enrolled at Springfield College. He played one year of intercollegiate golf, establishing himself as the fourth best player on the team, before a disturbing incident in his dorm room in 1995.

According to the alleged victim, a woman who was dating Walsh's roommate, Walsh was so miffed that she and his roommate might spend time on his bed while he was away that he booby-trapped his sheets with a stainless steel, six-pronged blender blade.

The woman, whose account was corroborated by Walsh's former roommate, said she vividly recalls being startled and slightly injured when she sat on the knife-sharp object. She said the episode forever changed her view of Walsh, whom she had known since high school and Walsh's roommate had considered his best friend since childhood.

The campus police and dean of students were alerted, and though no charges were filed, Walsh soon was dismissed from the golf team.

"It was a very malicious act," the woman said. "The fact that someone you considered a friend would do something that could possibly harm you like that is very creepy."

KEEP in MIND:
1. We have admitted to taping defensive signals in the past for future use.
2. Shawne Merriman (a Roider) accused the Seahawks of pumping noise into the stadium.
3. Former Coach Jimmy Johnson has admitted stealing defensive signals, and said it was part of the game.
4. Everyone in the stadium can visually watch defensive signals and mark down or tape them from elsewhere.
5. The Patriots never hid anything, and Matt Walsh doesn't even have a confidentiality agreement.
6. There is no Rams "walk-through" tape IMO, and if there is, this crazy fuck worked alone.
7. Even if he reaches an agreement with the NFL, he will get PWNT in legal courts for stealing these tapes, AND he was previously caught recording Scott Pioli with audio tapes.
8. The Dolphins stole OUR offensive calls and audible via audio recordings a year ago, and nobody seems to care.

Another thing that gives me some sense of assurance:
"Goodell immediately deployed investigators, their focus largely on Walsh. The commissioner previously had warned the Patriots that if Belichick or team officials lied about the extent of their videotaping practices when they were initially questioned, he would suspend Belichick for a year and impose similarly severe penalties on the team."

I know it is easy to hate on the LOVABLE Patriots, and follow ESPN and New York Times SEXY little story, but the truth is out there. I wish somebody would actually try to find it.

They media is too busy becoming tabloid journalists, and never actually teaching people what the games are all about. I can rarely sit down and discuss the intricacies of the cover two, 3-4 defenses, or pulling the guard for the swing route to your halfback with even the most legit football fans... That is because ESPN is too busy feeding you shit like "Who's doing better, Kobe or Lebron?". I dream of a network where sports are discussed intelligently. I wish it were more than this. I want to see a place where they aren't trying to sell sports, they are trying to teach them and seek the truth...

For more on this type of thing, and other up to date NFL news, I have to agree with Mike Florio on many issues:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

MMAsterkillah
03-10-2008, 07:24 PM
Or... you can go ahead and believe SHIT like this:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7893746/NFL-will-soon-have-more-Spygate-info?MSNHPHMA

A large portion of the media wants Belichick to be guilty and have convicted him already. Many want it to be true because it would be the story of the century and others just don't like Belichick.

But expecting any objectivity is a waste of time. Many people have already made Walsh an impeachable witness and accepted his "facts" of the walkthrough incident without having any knowledge about what he is going to say or what he has for evidence. I guarantee you that even if Walsh has no evidence and he claims that he did tape the walkthrough, there will be people calling for Belichick to get a year long suspension.

bigbadroy
03-10-2008, 07:51 PM
the pats are trying to destroy this guys character/credibility before the evidence gets out. it's a battle between walsh and the pats. that's all it is.

MMAsterkillah
03-10-2008, 08:31 PM
the pats are trying to destroy this guys character/credibility before the evidence gets out. it's a battle between walsh and the pats. that's all it is.

Not really dude. I can't wait until Walsh shows what he has, just like the Patriots. We all want him to come forward and hurry the fuck up. The confidentiality agreement is all bullshit that has been made up by Walsh's lawyers, and his track record shows he isn't credible. I think the quote where the co-worker says "I wish I taped that" or whatever was very telling. He is a man out to GET the Patriots, because he feels like they fucked him. I think Walsh has destroyed his own credibility. The only reason this is still a big story is because Arlen Specter has got his priorities in the wrong order.

Be honest for a second Roy, what did the Patriots really do that was worthy of this coverage? We already were fined and punished very harshly. We absolutely admitted what happened and answered all questions. Should Congress get involved because it looked like the Suns got fucked in last year's playoffs? No, it is ridiculous. This is a joke and the whole investigation was sparked by Specter's love for his beloved Eagles. LOL!

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/articles/16579

Also, Walsh knows what he stole is illegal. He wants the NFL to pay the damages to the Patriots when it is found that he is a douche. I'm sure he has a tape of something, but it was stolen, and has nothing to do with anything ordered by any New England staffer.

Basically, the NFL, Owners, and EVERYBODY who knows football firsthand, wants this shit to go away. They all know that everyone benefited from similar tactics, not just the Patriots. It isn't an unfair playing field if it is known and fairly widespread. Big fucking deal, get some lives... the story should be over. There is no big Patriots conspiracy or some BS.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/articles/16579

Kind of interesting how Specter has Comcast ties, the same company who have had a public battle with the NFL over the NFL Network programming rights. I'm not saying that is the reason for the campaign against the Patriots, but I think it might be part of it.

Comcast is the No. 2 source of campaign funds for the senator, with their execs and employees giving $153,600 in contributions going back to 1989. The No. 1 contributor since ’89 is Blank Rome LLC, a lobbying firm that has dumped $358,483 into Specter’s coffers. Comcast is a chief client of Blank Rome.

Goodell has pulled no punches on Comcast, saying, “They’re just finding another way which they can charge our consumers more money. We think it should be available on a broader basis.” Asked if Specter’s vendetta is related to Comcast, Goodell only says, “I’m not addressing that point.”

“If you simply took Specter at face value, and assumed his passion for grilling the NFL in his official Senate capacity is the passion of a jilted fan, that alone would be an outrageous abuse of his authority,” writes the Daily News’ Will Bunch. “But the truth is much worse, because Specter’s interest in this issue dovetails far too closely with those of his two largest contributors, whose employees have given his campaign more than half a million dollars to keep him in office. I believe if there’s any Senate hearing involving the NFL and Arlen Specter, it ought to be the Senate Ethics Committee, looking at a potential link to these donors.”

bigbadroy
03-10-2008, 08:38 PM
if he has more evidence of them cheating it doesn't matter if he(walsh) is bitter or not. simple as that. and to your question of "what did they do to have the coverage" THEY FUCKING CHEATED! yes i know "everybody does it blah blah blah" but the fact is they got caught. here's another article

Arlen Specter Claims the NFL Wants to Stop Matt Walsh From Talking About Spygate
Posted Mar 9th 2008 12:23PM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: Patriots, Boston

Although I remain baffled that a United States senator has this much time to devote to focusing on whether or not a football coach cheated, there's no question that Sen. Arlen Specter is going to keep pressing the NFL to get to the bottom of Patriotgate.

In an interview with Greg Bishop of the New York Times, Specter was harshly critical of the way the NFL has handled the investigation into the New England Patriots' practice of taping their opponents. And he suggested something that would certainly be unethical and might even be illegal when it comes to the NFL's treatment of former Patriots employee Matt Walsh:

"I'd like to issue a challenge to the commissioner to make public the extensive exchange of correspondence between the league's lawyers and Walsh's lawyers," Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania, said ...

"Any objective or accurate reading of the correspondence would show the N.F.L. is trying to discourage Walsh from coming forward," Specter said. "Especially the requirement in the letter, where the N.F.L. calls for the destruction of whatever Walsh turns over without any provision for me or anyone else to see it."

If the NFL is trying to discourage Walsh from coming forward, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Specter tries to make this a criminal matter, in much the same way that Roger Clemens may end up prosecuted for the cover up but not the crime.

MMAsterkillah
03-10-2008, 08:43 PM
if he has more evidence of them cheating it doesn't matter if he(walsh) is bitter or not. simple as that.

LOL What do you think he has?

If he has a tape of the Patriots stealing defensive signals in the SB, THAT IS FINE!
We admitted we have stolen signals in years passed, and we cited a lack of clarity within the rulebook (which I had posted months ago), and OUR MEDIA CREW HAD NO BATTERIES (You will note that you need to inform NFL of your equipment) and electrical power was not available where Walsh claims he was. He had to have a personal camera. Plus, it is hard to ignore that quote.

He is so full of shit it is hilarious. You are so full of shit it is hilarious, but I can't blame you, ESPN and all those tools have corrupted your free thinking brain. Everyone had jumped the gun a bit because they hate the Patriots. The Patriots may be the devil reincarnate, but no solid evidence has pointed towards that conclusion. That is all I'm saying.

FUCK ALL the HATERS!

Wandy4LIFE
03-10-2008, 08:51 PM
In my opinion (and I don't read into this BS anymore cause its a waste of time) Matt Walsh is bitter over his firing from the Patriots and said some stupid things because he personally did some things illegaly while having worked for the Patriots. If he had legitimate evidence by this time I would still be reading into it but its been too long with nothing to show for it to take this guy seriously. He either has further evidence than what the Patriots were penalized for or he doesn't. If its taking this long I think he doesn't and is now trying to get away from his earlier statements knowing eventually it will go to court and he will be the asshole.

bigbadroy
03-10-2008, 09:58 PM
In my opinion (and I don't read into this BS anymore cause its a waste of time) Matt Walsh is bitter over his firing from the Patriots and said some stupid things because he personally did some things illegaly while having worked for the Patriots. If he had legitimate evidence by this time I would still be reading into it but its been too long with nothing to show for it to take this guy seriously. He either has further evidence than what the Patriots were penalized for or he doesn't. If its taking this long I think he doesn't and is now trying to get away from his earlier statements knowing eventually it will go to court and he will be the asshole.

that's what he's waiting on. apparently he has evidence that if he shows it he will get sued. that's why he told the senator and nfl if they pay for his legal fees he will show what he has. from what espn said they are very close to an agreement.

bigbadroy
03-10-2008, 10:03 PM
LOL What do you think he has?

If he has a tape of the Patriots stealing defensive signals in the SB, THAT IS FINE!
We admitted we have stolen signals in years passed, and we cited a lack of clarity within the rulebook (which I had posted months ago), and OUR MEDIA CREW HAD NO BATTERIES (You will note that you need to inform NFL of your equipment) and electrical power was not available where Walsh claims he was. He had to have a personal camera. Plus, it is hard to ignore that quote.

He is so full of shit it is hilarious. You are so full of shit it is hilarious, but I can't blame you, ESPN and all those tools have corrupted your free thinking brain. Everyone had jumped the gun a bit because they hate the Patriots. The Patriots may be the devil reincarnate, but no solid evidence has pointed towards that conclusion. That is all I'm saying.

FUCK ALL the HATERS!
no it's not cause you don't know if it's true. both walsh and the pats are gonna try to ruin each other in an attempt to protect themselves. hopefully if were gonna find out if he's full of shit. as for myself you know by now that i hate cheating even if it's the slightest bit. i just want him to give up what he has cause if he does have somthing than the nfl can't just sweep it under the carpet like they've been trying to do.

Wandy4LIFE
03-10-2008, 10:04 PM
His evidence though would be personal evidence, nothing that proves the New England Patriots gave him any consent to go on with his actions of taping anything. In my opinion if the Pats were cheating using the walk through before the Superbowl there would be no way it could possibly leak out to any one especially another employee and if it did it would be out immediately. I think Walsh might have evidence but he will get caught in a lie somewhere because he has done something illegal and he doesn't have any evidence to show that the Patriots used the tape he has. The Patriots were caught cheating and paid the price. This is just dragging on too long to make our team and organization look like a bunch of scumbags when in fact they are not.

MMAsterkillah
03-11-2008, 01:46 AM
According to this story, lawyers for a former Rams player and three fans plan to withdraw a lawsuit that accuses the New England Patriots of cheating in Super Bowl XXXVI.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2008/03/rams_lawsuit_di.html#comments

http://www.patsfans.com/price/blog/?p=382

Believe what you want, I guess I'm not going to change people's opinions regardless of the facts (which is sad). I wish that the people who printed the BS stories (all speculation) with such assurance, would print these stories with the same intensity.

Basically, you have one douchebag with no credibility vs. the NFL and everybody in it saying something entirely different. Like I said at the beginning talk about BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION.

Were the Patriots little angels who never did anything stupid? No, but these same villains came outright and admitted their apparent wrongdoing. These practices were common for years, because we are the best team in football, people want to deflect credit from those truly deserving and say they only won because of these tactics (which actually can't do much to help you IN A football GAME).

MMAsterkillah
03-12-2008, 04:28 AM
As to the incident that got Walsh fired (i.e., allegedly tape-recording conversations with V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli), the Globe reports that Pioli was alerted to the situation by a co-worker, and that Pioli retrieved the tape from Walsh's desk after Walsh had left the office, listened to the unauthorized recording, and fired Walsh the next day. Walsh's lawyer has called the allegation of taped conversations a "complete fabrication."

Walsh told friends he was fired because he was close to qualifying for retirement benefits. He said he was considering suing the team, but he never did.

MMAsterkillah
03-12-2008, 04:54 AM
STORY YOU MAY SEE ON ESPN:

Report: Evidence Found of Belichick/Parcells Homosexual Relations!

http://www.imarc.net/examples/communique/parcells_belichick.jpg

wimmer
03-12-2008, 06:31 AM
lol big bill's closing eyes and going in hard

CHE
03-12-2008, 06:42 AM
i dont know and i dont really care, but it is obvious and undoubtedly true that ESPN is biased to teams from boston and NY.