Talkin about Ali vs Louis in the other thread, I got to wondering who you guys have in your top 10 HWs of all time list? Judged over the whole career, so no "Mike Tyson circa 85-89" allowed. All subjective obviously


1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Joe Louis
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Lennox Lewis (might be unpopular but I believe lewis is top 10)
8. Sonny Liston
9. Joe Frazier
10. Gene Tunney



Top 5 Hardest Punchers

1. Earnie Shavers
2. George Foreman
3. Mike Tyson
4. Sonny Liston
5. Lennox Lewis


Top 5 Best Chins

1. George Chuvalo
2. Randall Cobb
3. Oliver McCall
4. Ray Mercer
5. Jerry Quarry

So this list is being based on overall career achievments and not who beats who at their peak.


1.Ali
2.Holmes
3.Louis
4.Foreman
5.Liston
6.Lewis
7.Holyfield
8.Tyson
9.Marciano
10.Johnson




I think Ali deserves to be in the top 5 best chins also.He took the best Foreman,Liston,Frazier and Shavers could throw without tasting the canvas.

why the hell do you guys have sonny liston in your top 10's???

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Holmes
4.Marciano
5.Tyson
6.Liston
7.Frazier
8.Johnson
9.Dempsey
10.Patterson

why the hell do you guys have sonny liston in your top 10's???

Sonny Liston was awesome in his heyday.He genuinely intimidated his op and he cleaned the division out in impressive fashion b4 annihilating Floyd for the title.
Had Ali not been around he may well have dominated for much longer.
Plus he could really crack hard and he even floored opponents with his jab.

I think Ali deserves to be in the top 5 best chins also.He took the best Foreman,Liston,Frazier and Shavers could throw without tasting the canvas.


I think Ali definatly had a great chin, but I think there is a difference between Ali and a guy like Chuvalo, who seemed to just have a chunk of rock as a head (and was never dropped, despite being hit by some of the hardest punchers in boxing history).

Sonny Liston was awesome in his heyday.He genuinely intimidated his op and he cleaned the division out in impressive fashion b4 annihilating Floyd for the title.
Had Ali not been around he may well have dominated for much longer.
Plus he could really crack hard and he even floored opponents with his jab.


Well said. Definatly a shame hes famous for the Ali fights instead of the terror he brought down on the HW division before that.

Two first round KOs of Floyd Patterson, thats insane. Patterson was a great fighter.

BTW Its awesome to see guys ranking Holmes so high. I think he's terribly underrated, most people have him from 7-10, and there are people who dont even consider him top 10.

sonny liston beat one HOFer, and everyone already knew he was gonna beat floyd.
Sonny is another tyson.
his wins over machen, and folley were great, but not top 5.
his wars with cleveland williams was great as well.
if you have sonny in your top 5, than tyson mine as well be too.
Sonny isn't even top 10, prolly not even top 20.

he was a wasted potential.
he could've done so much better.

BTW Its awesome to see guys ranking Holmes so high. I think he's terribly underrated, most people have him from 7-10, and there are people who dont even consider him top 10.

48-0 and 7 yrs as champion till the Spinks fight.His jab was also arguably the best too.
Larry was another to suffer the Marciano jinx.

48-0 and 7 yrs as champion till the Spinks fight.His jab was also arguably the best too.
Larry was another to suffer the Marciano jinx.

True, can't expect to follow a legend.

I agree that Liston probably doesn't deserve top 5, but I think he deserves a place in the top 10. I don't understand how he was wasted potential or could have been much better, he was what he was: a big strong guy with serious skills and murderous punching power. I gave him #8 on my list.

BTW, I would pick Sonny Liston to beat Marciano, Dempsey and I'd give him a good chance against Lennox, Foreman and Louis



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1) Ali
2) Holmes
3) Foreman
4) Marciano
5) Liston
6) Louis
7) Frazier
8) Holyfield
9) lewis
10) Jack Dempsey

BTW, I would pick Sonny Liston to beat Marciano, Dempsey and I'd give him a good chance against Lennox, Foreman and Louis



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Yeah no doubt.
but in order to crack top ten, you have to have alot more accomplishments than sonny.

My boxing forum has evolved from lists including Roy Jones Jnr and Mike Tyson to this
thank you

also Ven try doing your own list stop trying to tear everyone eles apart ffs

My boxing forum has evolved from lists including Roy Jones Jnr and Mike Tyson to this
thank you

also Ven try doing your own list stop trying to tear everyone eles apart ffs

Mine included Mike Tyson, but I was going off of achievments like Jim said. Being the youngest Heavyweight Champion has to count for something.

thats cool but you didnt have him #1 with Roy Jones #2 and Ali not even making the top 20

We did this thread ages ago it was hilarious

thats cool but you didnt have him #1 with Roy Jones #2 and Ali not even making the top 20

We did this thread ages ago it was hilarious

Man, that would be horrible.

I still haven't seen Jones vs Ruiz, which if I'm not mistaken is his only heavyweight fight.

Mine included Mike Tyson, but I was going off of achievments like Jim said. Being the youngest Heavyweight Champion has to count for something.

would'nt floyd patterson be in there as well then?

I love tyson, but he had to do alot more to be in the top ten.
tyson was awesome though.

would'nt floyd patterson be in there as well then?

I love tyson, but he had to do alot more to be in the top ten.
tyson was awesome though.

Yep, Patterson is my number 10 Mike beat him by over a year and did it in a more dominating fashion.

THE TOP 20 HEAVYWEIGHTS OF ALL TIME by historian Monte D.Cox

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. George Foreman
5. Larry Holmes
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Sonny Liston
8. Jim Jeffries
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Mike Tyson
11. Rocky Marciano
12. Joe Frazier
13. Riddick Bowe
14. Evander Holyfield
15. Sam Langford
16. Gene Tunney
17. James J. Corbett
18. Ezzard Charles
19. Jersey Joe Walcott
20. Max Schmeling

My Top 10

1.Lennox Lewis
2.Muhammad Ali
3.George Foreman
4.Jack Johnson
5.Larry Holmes
6.Joe Louis
7.Sonny Liston
8.Joe Frazier
9.Mike Tyson
10.Ike Ibeabuchi

My Top 10

10.Ike Ibeabuchi

You can't be serious....

1.Louis.
2.Ali.
3.Holmes.
4.Johnson.
5.Dempsey,
6.Lennox.
7.Marciano.
8.Foreman
9.Frazier
10.Liston.

Liston is 10th on my list.

Ali
Louis
Marciano
Tyson
Shavers
Foreman
Dempsey
Liston
Baer
J Johnson

I hate doing these because I havent seen footage of every great HW champ

1 Ali
2 Louis
3.Holmes.
4 Foreman
5 Lewis
6 Marciano
7 Frazier
8 Dempsey
9 Holyfield
10 Bowe or Tyson

my top 5 was easy for me to pick the rest took me like 5 minutes and a beer to ponder
Imo Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe would have killed Dempsey but im not changing it now its to much work

I think alot of people would beat dempsey as well.

Yeah I mean Marciano and Dempsey probably would fight Cruiserweight or possibly LHW today, I know they were great fighters but its hard to believe a small guy like that could beat a guy like Tyson, Foreman or Lewis.

BTW I would pick today's Wlad klitchsko to beat a lot of guys on my list.