Pending a physical...

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hmmmmmmm..........

bad trade for the suns.

yeah, I don't think Shaq can go with the run and gun game type of Suns

shaq adds to the suns but subtracts at same time. they lose a player in marion who can guard almost anyone and gives them athleticism and hustle. but they get what they have needed most, and that is a dominant presence inside. but shaq is n to as good as he was and is a liability. i think its bad for the suns, which means good for the lakers!

stupid trade by the suns. shaq is washed up and will just be hanging out at mid court while both teams run back and forth

shaq adds to the suns but subtracts at same time. they lose a player in marion who can guard almost anyone and gives them athleticism and hustle. but they get what they have needed most, and that is a dominant presence inside. but shaq is n to as good as he was and is a liability. i think its bad for the suns, which means good for the lakers!

100% QFT. but marion wants out and the suns get a potential defensive presence but no way can he keep up with their style or tempo.

its a playoff trade like the lakers deal to match up w/the spurs. they both needed a big to defend duncan, force him to defend/foul & stop tony parkers penetration

as good as amare is, duncan owns him in the post in the playoffs and even the recent game w/out parker when the spurs came back on them

shaq also gives them more shots & limits the other team's shots thru rebounding

saw it coming. just not shaq. why do you think the suns picked up hill in the first place? marion was on his way out. this was his last year of a 17 million dollar contract and was asking to be traded before the season started. the suns picked up shaq for 20 million. not a bad trade at all. the suns will still play fast, like che said, they just picked up what theyve always needed. as soon as playoffs start, the pace slows down anyway. im glad for the change, the suns looked like they werent going to do shit this year. the only thing that sucks is shaq is like half the player he once was stat wise, but i bet nash can make an all star player out of him again.

Not a bad deal for either squad. I think Marion fit in well, but he wasn't happy in Phoenix for whatever reason, and Nash having Shaq and Amare available for easy buckets seems unfair.

Shaq is terrible these days and should consider retirement IMO. Maybe the Suns could use another good big man to counter Duncan and Gasol but Shaq ain't it.

If Marion wants this trade hes lost his mind. the Heat are dead and they're not coming back to life anytime soon either.

This is one of the most retarded trades anybody can make. Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol, Shaq is not.

Suns are going for it before Nash is done. Shaq is off Miami's cap now so they can rebuild w/Wade & Marion. Shaq will be off Suns cap next yr. it may cost the suns some reg season wins but they will have a post scorer/rebounder..it might not work but they hadnt beaten the Spurs so they took a shot

If the Suns couldve gotten Gasol for the garbage LA gave Memphis theyd do it. might just be they hooked up the lakers via jerry west the same way the mchale hooked up the celtics.

Dude, I can't believe they traded the Matrix for Shaq at this point. If Shaq is healthy maybe it will work but he has looked a couple steps off all season.

shaq old and injury prone. maybe new team revives him.if not,bad trade

the suns needed to shake things up tho. u cant blame them. we will see how this affects them, but it helps in the halfcourt, if shaq healthy. he and amare are scary in the half court. wouldnt count out the suns this year. this does hurt their future as they will need to rebuild in 3 years, but he window was closing anyways

the suns needed to shake things up tho. u cant blame them. we will see how this affects them, but it helps in the halfcourt, if shaq healthy. he and amare are scary in the half court. wouldnt count out the suns this year. this does hurt their future as they will need to rebuild in 3 years, but he window was closing anyways

marion for gasol may not have worked b/c the grizzlies are dumping salary & have a younger cheaper similar player in rudy gay who the rockets traded for alien head dukie shane battier

the suns window is 2-3yrs tops b/c how long can nash hold up in that style for that many minutes a night. and all the star pg's in the west except baron & bibby are 25 or younger

...might just be they [memphis] hooked up the lakers via jerry west the same way the mchale hooked up the celtics.


lol that gasol trade was kind of suspicious, but i'm not convinced that the celtics made the right trade.

I mean, K.G. is who they thought he was, but Big Al is turning into one of the best post players in the league... and hes still just a baby.

lol that gasol trade was kind of suspicious, but i'm not convinced that the celtics made the right trade.

I mean, K.G. is who they thought he was, but Big Al is turning into one of the best post players in the league... and hes still just a baby.

al was always gonna be a great player imo

Everyone in Beantown loved/loves Big Al.

The fact is, he puts up awesome stats, but isn't QUITE as effective as his stat line would show. KG on the other hand, has an average game of 20 and 10 but plays dominant basketball.

KG>>>>Big AL

That said, in 3-4 years I'm going to be regretting this deal for sure.

Won't regret it if we get a Championship or two.

where u from? ^^

Horrible move by the Suns in my opinion. They get rid of their main fast break guy for a slow lugging center. Shaq may have a new dedication playing with them, but dedication won't regenerate all the miles he has on him. I know Marion wasn't happy, but this is not the direction they should have gone. I'm sure they could have got some much better talent than Shaq for Marion. We'll see what happens, but as a Spurs fan, I'm very happy about this trade.

I was referring to Al for Garnett but if the Suns win a championship with Shaq then hes done and Marions an all-star for the next 5 years its still worth it for the Suns. Kerr must think Shaq is the only player that can match Duncan with interior defense and beat up on Oberto with Amare. This shakes things up it will be very interesting to see the Lakers match up with the Suns too once Bynum and Shaq are back. Diaw+Stoudemire+Shaq vs Odom+Gasol+Bynum are huge frontcourt players to have out there all at once.

fact of the matter is, the nba is as exciting right now as it has been since jordan left.

fact of the matter is, the nba is as exciting right now as it has been since jordan left.

agreed and those who bitch dont like basketball or their team isnt legit

drewlius shaq wont need to run, fast breaks are usually 2 on 1, 3 on 2

when teams w/star point guards (spurs/hornets/jazz) or good rebounding (spurs/jazz & now lakers) force them to play halfcourt, shaq gives the suns 2 guys who can:

- score & defend in the post
- offensive board to get more shots & defensive board to start the Suns fast break

marion is a freak rebounder but cant consistently stop duncan, odom/gasol or boozer in the post. shaq just needs to be healthy enough for the key possessions in the playoffs

With Shaq and Grant Hill in the Suns starting lineup, it looks like someone will need to sweep their dusty old players off the court in the first round.

I was referring to Al for Garnett but if the Suns win a championship with Shaq then hes done and Marions an all-star for the next 5 years its still worth it for the Suns. Kerr must think Shaq is the only player that can match Duncan with interior defense and beat up on Oberto with Amare. This shakes things up it will be very interesting to see the Lakers match up with the Suns too once Bynum and Shaq are back. Diaw+Stoudemire+Shaq vs Odom+Gasol+Bynum are huge frontcourt players to have out there all at once.

i just find it funny that you threw diaw in there.

agreed and those who bitch dont like basketball or their team isnt legit

drewlius shaq wont need to run, fast breaks are usually 2 on 1, 3 on 2
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when teams w/star point guards (spurs/hornets/jazz) or good rebounding (spurs/jazz & now lakers) force them to play halfcourt, shaq gives the suns 2 guys who can:

- score & defend in the post
- offensive board to get more shots & defensive board to start the Suns fast break

marion is a freak rebounder but cant consistently stop duncan, odom/gasol or boozer in the post. shaq just needs to be healthy enough for the key possessions in the playoffs

Your completely overrating Shaq. The way your talking is Shaq of old, not the Shaq of recent times. Shaq is not a consistent defender anymore, nor is he a consistent rebounder. He's simply not the same as he used to be. If you think he is going to be a big presence down low, your sadly mistaken. As far as you sayig, you Shaq won't hurt their fast breaks, I can do nothing but laugh.

You do realize the team they used to roll with right? Under-sized center who could chop if he needed, one of the most athletic players in the league, with some of the biggest hops there are in Marion. Marion was Nash's key hook-up on the fast-break, if you don't know that, you didn't watch Phoenix basketball. It doesn't take much when every single one of your players can run the court, yeah, think of it as 2 on 1, 3 on 2, but the Suns won't have these matchups anymore with Shaq down low. You'll see AMARE grabbing a board, Shaq being slow as fuck doing nothing, Nash chopping down the court, and his go to guy not there whatsoever. Sit back and think about the last time you saw a Phoenix game, off the break, who did Nash go to? Get back to me when you think about it. I guarantee it's not someone currently on the roster. =0

Diaw has a lot of skills but just needs to develop some mental toughness. With Shaq in there the Suns will be tougher to beat up on. Shaq is not gonna let Horry pull that BS that he did last year on Nash I can guarantee that. Shaq will come in and improve the D and try to just fit in to what they have. Diaw, Hill, and Nash are excellent passers so if Amare and Shaq just hang down by the hoop they will be spoonfed.

Your completely overrating Shaq...

the last thing I said: shaq just needs to be healthy enough for the key possessions in the playoffs. that's the key, I said it'll cost them reg season wins as they adjust but this is a playoff trade exclusively.

it may or may not work, I explained their rationale. marion will be missed but they tried everything w/the past roster & nothing worked. the suns could beat the spurs this yr then fall to the jazz in the playoffs, we wont know til then.

you discount the suns opponents. lesser teams lack the talent & basketball IQ to dictate the game. the spurs own the suns b/c they have the recipe: an elite point guard to attack nash, interior scoring/boards to slow the game down & discipline to know when to run.

utah, portland & new orleans are following the spurs lead & the lakers just added an all star. w/the star guards & big men in the west the suns window is closing

Your completely overrating Shaq. The way your talking is Shaq of old, not the Shaq of recent times. Shaq is not a consistent defender anymore, nor is he a consistent rebounder. He's simply not the same as he used to be. If you think he is going to be a big presence down low, your sadly mistaken. As far as you sayig, you Shaq won't hurt their fast breaks, I can do nothing but laugh.

You do realize the team they used to roll with right? Under-sized center who could chop if he needed, one of the most athletic players in the league, with some of the biggest hops there are in Marion. Marion was Nash's key hook-up on the fast-break, if you don't know that, you didn't watch Phoenix basketball. It doesn't take much when every single one of your players can run the court, yeah, think of it as 2 on 1, 3 on 2, but the Suns won't have these matchups anymore with Shaq down low. You'll see AMARE grabbing a board, Shaq being slow as fuck doing nothing, Nash chopping down the court, and his go to guy not there whatsoever. Sit back and think about the last time you saw a Phoenix game, off the break, who did Nash go to? Get back to me when you think about it. I guarantee it's not someone currently on the roster. =0

BWAHAHAHA u scratch randys nuts

lol that gasol trade was kind of suspicious, but i'm not convinced that the celtics made the right trade.

imagine if say the spurs, suns, celtics, jazz had gotten gasol for the garbage the lakers sent memphis.

>Tough to figure
Memphis general manager Chris Wallace, having grown weary of unnamed general managers ripping him for getting little back for Pau Gasol, dared them to come forward. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich did.
"The L.A. move is great for L.A.," Popovich said. "What they were thinking in Memphis is beyond comprehension.

"There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense."

Popovich said he would volunteer his services to the committee, indicating he was being somewhat facetious, but only to a degree.

tex
“It’s a strange trade. Shaq sure misses a lot of games. He’s not a very good defensive rebounder, or offensive rebounder for that matter. He does rebound his own misses a lot.”

thats about right

tex
“It’s a strange trade. Shaq sure misses a lot of games. He’s not a very good defensive rebounder, or offensive rebounder for that matter. He does rebound his own misses a lot.”

thats about right

Not to say it was a great trade or say Shaq is going to be fantastic, but if he is getting rebounds on a lot of his misses, than he must be doing great because he is still shooting 58% this year despite the inactivity and joke of a ball club in the Heat. Shaq may still suck, may be injured all the time, and may cost the Suns 5 wins in the regular season, but I personally believe he will help them come playoff time.

Still, I think about what may have been if the Suns weren't fucking jobbed by Donaghy and the other refs last year in the playoffs vs. San Antonio.

that did not make any sense you fucking idiot. rebounds. doing great? fucking retard

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suns/lakers was a great game, felt like the playoffs and shaq looked pretty good. a few more weeks & they'll be much more comfortable.

still cant believe the lakers got gasol for less than the rockets just traded for bobby jackson, that is a fucking farce

lakers are taking over. once bynum comes back they will be unstoppable.

bynum,gasol,kobe=the real big 3

that did not make any sense you fucking idiot. rebounds. doing great? fucking retard

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You are a fucking retard.

You said he gets a lot of his own rebounds. I say if he is getting a lot of his own rebounds and shooting 58% he has got to at least be pretty efficient.

Of course, a complete moron probably wouldn't have made the correlation.

I don't think Shaq is great or anything, I just think you are one of the dumber people at the 'Shoes.

and i think your the ugliest big nose mother fucker on the shoes. u cry to much. pwnt

and i think your the ugliest big nose mother fucker on the shoes. u cry to much. pwnt

:gojerkit:

Your a pussy just stfu.

As long as you know what you wrote in this thread was fucking stupid.

and i think your the ugliest big nose mother fucker on the shoes. u cry to much. pwnt

i concure

Donpoke, your just bein a woman because I've pwnt your avatar and you are too poor to do anything to me. Stop whining bitch.

Couple of queers.

Donpoke, your just bein a woman because I've pwnt your avatar and you are too poor to do anything to me. Stop whining bitch.

Couple of queers.

i negd u and now you wont get off my dick, your points just mean you waste more time then me, i get real $ when im on here

fact of the matter is, the nba is as exciting right now as it has been since jordan left.

uhhhhhhhh since Bird left.

i negd u and now you wont get off my dick, your points just mean you waste more time then me, i get real $ when im on here

STFU, you don't even know how the fuck I got my points douche.

I'm "on your dick" because I told you I was gonna be a pain in the ass if you negged me, and you did. Reap what you sow, nigga.

BTW, Axe... you watching this lame excuse for a start vs. the Suns?

hey wany4life, if you watched the lakers-suns game the other night than you know that is why kobe is the best player in the nba.

hey wany4life, if you watched the lakers-suns game the other night than you know that is why kobe is the best player in the nba.

KOBE is great, I just think Lebron and KG are probably right there with him.

Lebron is better, but doesn't have his killer instincts.
KG is a different type of player, and certainly not the scorer Kobe is.

KOBE is great, I just think Lebron and KG are probably right there with him.

Lebron is better, but doesn't have his killer instincts.
KG is a different type of player, and certainly not the scorer Kobe is.

i wasn't talking to you motherfucker!

Yeah Kobe had an incredible performance. A flawless game. Lebrons back to back triple doubles though certainly didn't hurt his case haha although Skip Bayless on ESPN wasn't impressed. I did have to re-think myself a bit. Man, with Gasol the Lakers are scary. What match-up problems there will be once Bynums back.

Yeah Kobe had an incredible performance. A flawless game. Lebrons back to back triple doubles though certainly didn't hurt his case haha although Skip Bayless on ESPN wasn't impressed. I did have to re-think myself a bit. Man, with Gasol the Lakers are scary. What match-up problems there will be once Bynums back.

yeah man when bynum comes back they will be tough to beat. they are the favorites imo to win it all this year.

Yeah this years NBA is just unbelievable from a spectators standpoint. The West is incredibly talented and close and the Celtics/Pistons rivalry will be reborn. Where are your Rockets going this year? Yao has got to be an MVP Candidate.

Yeah this years NBA is just unbelievable from a spectators standpoint. The West is incredibly talented and close and the Celtics/Pistons rivalry will be reborn. Where are your Rockets going this year? Yao has got to be an MVP Candidate.

rockets are playing well too but they will get stopped(hope not though). hopefully they can win a damn playoff series this year.edit tmac looks like he's getting healthy and getting his confidence back. not to mention we just beatdown the hornets in new orleans 2night by 20 for our 11th straight win.

Yeah I don't know whats up with T-Mac. One game hes lazier than Antoine Walker but when the effort and confidence is there hes an elite talent. Yaos the man. I don't understand the Bonzi + Mike James trade for Bobby Jackson though unless its strictly for salary cap reasons. Bonzi's a beast going to the rack.

Yeah I don't know whats up with T-Mac. One game hes lazier than Antoine Walker but when the effort and confidence is there hes an elite talent. Yaos the man. I don't understand the Bonzi + Mike James trade for Bobby Jackson though unless its strictly for salary cap reasons. Bonzi's a beast going to the rack.

mike james was def for salary cap reasons but yeah i didn't like when i heard bonzi was leaving. we also just signed the former celtic gerald green. how is he? all i know about him is he's a great dunker.

GG can dunk and shoot.

He is a moron, however. That said, playing behind T-Mac should help, McGrady is basically the ceiling for what GG could possibly become. He never will though, he just isn't a great basketball player for some reason.

GG can dunk and shoot.

He is a moron, however. That said, playing behind T-Mac should help, McGrady is basically the ceiling for what GG could possibly become. He never will though, he just isn't a great basketball player for some reason.

so he'd be ok learning under tmac and coming off the bench?

you guys watching kg and amare going at it? kg just dunked on his ass.

so he'd be ok learning under tmac and coming off the bench?

you guys watching kg and amare going at it? kg just dunked on his ass.

Yeah he's alright off the bench, I guess.

He can come in and score a little bit, but his defense is pretty weak and he can't really get to the bucket like a T-Mac or pass at all. He is approx. 22 and athletic as all hell and he can absolutely shoot the rock.

I was definitely not happy when the Celts traded him, but the fact we did helped me face the reality that he isn't going to be the superstar I thought he would become when he came out of school.

Yeah I don't know whats up with T-Mac. One game hes lazier than Antoine Walker but when the effort and confidence is there hes an elite talent. Yaos the man. I don't understand the Bonzi + Mike James trade for Bobby Jackson though unless its strictly for salary cap reasons. Bonzi's a beast going to the rack.

i was laughing so hard when ppl thought t-mac was better then kobe. those ppl should be shot.

damn, the NBA is fuckin great now!!!

i was laughing so hard when ppl thought t-mac was better then kobe. those ppl should be shot.

Yeah, that is a joke.

STFU, you don't even know how the fuck I got my points douche.

I'm "on your dick" because I told you I was gonna be a pain in the ass if you negged me, and you did. Reap what you sow, nigga.

BTW, Axe... you watching this lame excuse for a start vs. the Suns?

no bro, the game is not on in my area, fuckin lost for the third straight game though.

no bro, the game is not on in my area, fuckin lost for the third straight game though.

Damn, how is a national broadcast on ESPN not shown in Ohio?

Horrible performance by the C's though, you are lucky you didn't see it, so frustrating.

I really hope Gerald Green is better mentally than McGrady...that guy wilted down the stretch in game 7 at home vs the Jazz. Refused to attack the hole & it cost them, Green needs to be more aggressive than that

holy crap I watched the suns/celts this morning, what a move by kg. that said, we see now how shaq helps amare & the lakers/spurs needed to make their moves to deal w/that.

d'antoni said in the 2nd half the suns werent gonna be the kind of team that just takes it anymore

Gerald is an interesting talent but lacks it mentally ala T-Mac. He doesn't bring it every game, he forces shots, and is very inconsistent. His handle and passing are no where near GOOD but his jumper can be devastating and as seen in the dunk contest his elevation is incredible. He will leave you wanting more but never seems to give it to you. I really think his handles, strength, and basketball I.Q. are whats keeping this kid from becoming a player. He certainly could improve on these things but didn't in his time with Boston and Minnesota. He is very very talented though so one day I could be eating my words.

I really hope Gerald Green is better mentally than McGrady...that guy wilted down the stretch in game 7 at home vs the Jazz. Refused to attack the hole & it cost them, Green needs to be more aggressive than that

holy crap I watched the suns/celts this morning, what a move by kg. that said, we see now how shaq helps amare & the lakers/spurs needed to make their moves to deal w/that.

d'antoni said in the 2nd half the suns werent gonna be the kind of team that just takes it anymore

the suns made their move because the lakers got gasol, not the other way around.

yeah I know it was primarily a spurs and perhaps jazz trade to contend w/duncan and boozer/milsap but the lakers christmas present cemented it

this was disgusting

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