Think about it.

If you could be God's worst enemy or nothing, which would you choose?

Nothing, being God's worst enemy would suck and would have no advantges whatsoever.

But being nothing would mean we dont exist. Aint being something better than nothing?

What if you existed, but nothing else knew you existed and the whole time you lived in total agony. Is that really an existence you would want?

Basically between going in the ground and that being it versus rotting in hell for an eternity I choose the ground.

Also I believe he was saying would you rather mean nothing to god or be his worst enemy.

What if you existed, but nothing else knew you existed and the whole time you lived in total agony. Is that really an existence you would want?

Basically between going in the ground and that being it versus rotting in hell for an eternity I choose the ground.

Also I believe he was saying would you rather mean nothing to god or be his worst enemy.
God will know I exist since I'm his worst enemy. I'll be his worst enemy coz of some reason and I still go on existing for some power I have which he still isnt able to conquer.

I'll be in a state of total conflict. We already are in that state without us realizing. In my case the resons would not be commonplace.

God will know I exist since I'm his worst enemy. I'll be his worst enemy coz of some reason and I still go on existing for some power I have which he still isnt able to conquer.

Well he could conquer it if he wanted to I mean he is god. He could just erase you if he disliked you that much.

Again though thank about the agony you could be living in, imagine being castrated over and over while being burned. Do you really think it's worth it for God to know you exist?

Well he could conquer it if he wanted to I mean he is god. He could just erase you if he disliked you that much.

Again though thank about the agony you could be living in, imagine being castrated over and over while being burned. Do you really think it's worth it for God to know you exist?
God accn. to christian faith hasnt been able to exterminate Satan. Remember the yin yang stuff of the chinese. God cannot exist without being in conflict.

God accn. to christian faith hasnt been able to exterminate Satan. Remember the yin yang stuff of the chinese. God cannot exist without being in conflict.

God created Satan so obviously he could destroy him he simply chooses not to. God allows evil to exist not because it needs to because in the beginning there was only god the father god the son and god the holy ghost. That's before the heavens, satan, earth, everything. God is himself the greatest good and the greatest evil because he brought evil into the world.

This is part of the reason I am not of the christian faith anymore.

being nothing IS a lack of existence, therefore an abomination. being gods worst enemy, A.K.A. Lucifer, A.K.A. the devil would be like being the rib from gods breast. his most magnificent creation, the truest free thinking, free willed and empowered individual in his eye. you would have all of gods attention and his mercy is ever extending and all forgiving to all in his sight... being his worst enemy would be a privileged position only over shadowed by his son and spirit.

Free will is an illusion.

Also if god's mercy is ever extending as you put it how do people end up in hell?

And lastly why do you assume Lucifer is God's enemy? Enemies are usually disliked, but if God disliked Lucifer wouldn't he do something about him?

being gods worst enemy is cursed and wretched position for any living being and there for an abomination.
It would be far greater to be nothing than and out of the reach of gods wrath as his worst enemy, refusing to every yield to the creator from whose image you have been plucked is a fate worst than drowning in a pool of lava, never being consumed by its fire but choking to its rocky magma. gods worst enemy would forever be consumed by the idea of not being the greatest and most powerful being in the universe... constant state of both feeling insignificant and obsolete.
being nothing is freedom in its non conformity

Ok explain how you got from

being his worst enemy would be a privileged position only over shadowed by his son and spirit.

to

It would be far greater to be nothing than and out of the reach of gods wrath as his worst enemy, refusing to every yield to the creator from whose image you have been plucked is a fate worst than drowning in a pool of lava

because they seem like bipolar opposites.

sorry about the split personality. skuyjarah is completely backwards

lol nice

What if you existed, but nothing else knew you existed and the whole time you lived in total agony. Is that really an existence you would want?

Basically between going in the ground and that being it versus rotting in hell for an eternity I choose the ground.

Also I believe he was saying would you rather mean nothing to god or be his worst enemy.

DUDE, i did not know jesse marunde died. i dont know how i missed that. that fucking sucks.

DUDE, i did not know jesse marunde died. i dont know how i missed that. that fucking sucks.

Yeah, he was my favorite strongman. I just got through watching WSM 2007, just wasn't the same without him.

first of all, i need to know what the fuck exactly "god" is, because god has never revealed itself. instead it leaves us to guess, and assume and follow 2,000 year old books.

i'd rather be his worst enemey, cuz then he can forgive me and we can be tight again and i can go live in heaven.

wtf is goin on here?

I think they're trying to have a religious discussion, without luck really.

Why the hell would I be my own worst enemy?

Pretending that god exists does nothing to improve our understanding of metaphysics, or to facilitate a useful discussion.

Pretending that god exists does nothing to improve our understanding of metaphysics, or to facilitate a useful discussion.

+1

Pretending that god exists does nothing to improve our understanding of metaphysics, or to facilitate a useful discussion.
I agree, but only in the monotheistic context of a man-shaped, white-bearded, commandment-giving, separate-from-the-self lord who condones murder, slavery, and female oppression. In that case, sure.

Pretending that god exists does nothing to improve our understanding of metaphysics, or to facilitate a useful discussion.

So what does pretending that he doesn't exist do?

I agree, but only in the monotheistic context of a man-shaped, white-bearded, commandment-giving, separate-from-the-self lord who condones murder, slavery, and female oppression. In that case, sure.

The label “God” as commonly understood is almost certainly the wrong one if you can successfully reduce religion or spirituality to a series of behaviors involving meditation, yoga, the improvement of Neuroplasticity, and mindfulness.

So what does pretending that he doesn't exist do?

It's probably not possible to give false appearances, claims, representations, or assertions about something that has no verifiable evidence to support its existence.

The answer to the question you didn’t ask (but perhaps were trying to) is thankfully God doesn’t exist, because the world view advocated by his three main adherent sects is so needlessly terrible that no free person should intentionally subject themselves to perpetual bondage and misery.

The label “God” as commonly understood is almost certainly the wrong one if you can successfully reduce religion or spirituality to a series of behaviors involving meditation, yoga, the improvement of Neuroplasticity, and mindfulness.
And what of mystical experiences with psychedelic drugs?

And what of mystical experiences with psychedelic drugs?

It's certainly an option for people that can manage the benefits and risks. Following advice from Alan Watts, when you get the message while using psychedelics hang up the phone.

It's certainly an option for people that can manage the benefits and risks. Following advice from Alan Watts, when you get the message while using psychedelics hang up the phone.
Very nice, my good friend follows that same quote and I agree with it. The Responsible Drug User's Oath (http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1105674) is another necessary reference for the, in Leary's words, self-confident, self-directed, and self-selected psychonauts. I would like to further discuss the topic of psychedelics in the appropriate thread, but for now...well, I can't even remember where this topic was going, anyway.

We need more level-headed individuals such as yourself in this world.

It's probably not possible to give false appearances, claims, representations, or assertions about something that has no verifiable evidence to support its existence.

The answer to the question you didn’t ask (but perhaps were trying to) is thankfully God doesn’t exist, because the world view advocated by his three main adherent sects is so needlessly terrible that no free person should intentionally subject themselves to perpetual bondage and misery.

Yet many biblical accounts like noah's ark and the flood have been accounted for. With the finding of what could possibly be the ark in the mountians and the fact that many ancient civilizations talk of a great flood. Also the fact that a man named Jesus believed he was the son of god so much that he allowed himself to be crucified for it.

Enlight of these and other finds that support the bibles dipiction of history, I don't see how you can so easily right God off as nonexistent.

Why the hell would I be my own worst enemy?

rep! nasty thinking... thats a crazy point, were all capable of the god mentality

If you're talking about what god means to you: No, it would suck to be his worst enemy

If you're talking about the christian god: It's fine to be his worst enemy as the bible/ modern practiced is so riddled with inconsistencies that you can make the argument that the holiest priest in one person's eyes is the devil in another

in response to the original ? of the thread, i would rather die on my feet than live on my knees