Anyone ever study this art? Can it be applied to mma?

Aikido footwork is pretty good. Aikido control and takedown techniques are not as effective against 100% resisting and skilled partners. And there are no finishing techniques in Aikido that would ever work in MMA.

never heard of this

never heard of this
You've never heard of aikido? Ever seen a stephen segal movie?

someone once told me segal had some legit nhb fights ... does anyone know anything about that (and obviously i dont mean with a modern big name org like pride/ufc/wfa ...)

my instructor is somewhat good with wristlocks he can take me down easily with it.


i need to learn some good wristlocks.

I'm sure they can be effective if you are extremely skilled. Just look how easily Fedor was taking Nog down because of his knowledge of balance from all the Judo.

I've been practicing Hapkido for the last 9-10 years (which uses alot of the same techiques as Aikido). It focuses on joint locks such as arm bars and wrist locks. I think that it could be helpful in mma because it gives you a background knowledge in submissions. But than again I've never fought in a mma competion before so who knows.

My brother studied aikido for two years and I brought him to bjj and he was getting newb schooled by anyone who knew what an armbar was.

If you want to learn japanese, bow to photocopied photographs of old asian men, etc, take aikido, if you want to grapple, take bjj

i'd say 1 month of bjj = 1 year aikido

my brother owns now btw hehe

I studied Aki Jujitsu for a couple years. It can certainly be applied to MMA, however that I suggest that if you been training BBJ or Muay tai... good luck on the transition.

I got sold on it just because Jujitsu was in the title. BJJ is very different. At that point in time it was the only game in town but now I train strictly grappling.

BTW,

They say Akijujitsu is the root of all jujitsu, aikido, and judo. So it is neat to see where BJJ came from. But not necessarily any more effective for mma that any other traditional MA.

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I think all the wrist locks in Aikido might hurt you in MMA because guys tape their wrists. It could be a good base for grappling but you may have to learn more finishing moves from other arts.

Aikijutsu isn't base of anything. Jujutsu is base of Aikido, Aikijutsu, Judo and therefore BJJ.

Aikido isn't to good for MMA becouse unlike many "modern traditinal" MAs it has very strong philosphy. The main idea in Aikido is that you aren't supposed to attack. You only counter your opponents move and even the youn mustn't hurt the guy. And Aikido doesn't do any competing. It is a part of the philosphy. There is a school of Aikijutsu that competes but it's kind of modified (one person has a rubber knife and the other tries to remove it and get the opponent under control). Aikido has a lot of standup joint manipulations and thows which are quite different to judo.

To become a good practicioner of Aikido you really have to study it for years and years and it's hard to make progress as fast (or progress as clear and visible) as in MT, BJJ, judo or other competitive arts.

And there is a weakness in Aikido compared to it's old days. Although Aikido is meant for blocking attacks and countering it is trained only against simple attack used in Aikido. The situation was different back then when the practitioners of Aikido were originally practicioner of other martial arts and knew what kind of attack are and how should the moves be used in a real situation. Today most of Aikido practitioners practice only aikido and their knowledge is limited if compared to how it should be and was.

There are still some Aikido masters who have cross trained martial arts and are trying to develope the art even further but the Aikido headquarters don't agree with this and it is difficult to spread this kind of developed aikido. One of these masters is Sugawara (actually he can be the only one) and he has 5th degree black belt in karate and has trained judo and kickboxing also.

it's a nice soft art...that focus on meditation and harmony balancing

Aikijutsu isn't base of anything. Jujutsu is base of Aikido, Aikijutsu, Judo and therefore BJJ.

Aikido isn't to good for MMA becouse unlike many "modern traditinal" MAs it has very strong philosphy. The main idea in Aikido is that you aren't supposed to attack. You only counter your opponents move and even the youn mustn't hurt the guy. And Aikido doesn't do any competing. It is a part of the philosphy. There is a school of Aikijutsu that competes but it's kind of modified (one person has a rubber knife and the other tries to remove it and get the opponent under control). Aikido has a lot of standup joint manipulations and thows which are quite different to judo.

To become a good practicioner of Aikido you really have to study it for years and years and it's hard to make progress as fast (or progress as clear and visible) as in MT, BJJ, judo or other competitive arts.

And there is a weakness in Aikido compared to it's old days. Although Aikido is meant for blocking attacks and countering it is trained only against simple attack used in Aikido. The situation was different back then when the practitioners of Aikido were originally practicioner of other martial arts and knew what kind of attack are and how should the moves be used in a real situation. Today most of Aikido practitioners practice only aikido and their knowledge is limited if compared to how it should be and was.

There are still some Aikido masters who have cross trained martial arts and are trying to develope the art even further but the Aikido headquarters don't agree with this and it is difficult to spread this kind of developed aikido. One of these masters is Sugawara (actually he can be the only one) and he has 5th degree black belt in karate and has trained judo and kickboxing also.


wow, great post, hope to hear more from you

aikido is brilliant for getting your opponent of balance or street defence not to good for mma though

A FRIEND OF MINE TOOK AIKIDO FOR A PRETTY LONG TIME. THE TECHNIQUES ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY AFFECTIVE, BUT MAINLY AGAINST OPPONENTS WHO WILL STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. BUT YOU CAN UTILIZE IT IN MMA, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION. I UTILIZE WING CHUN, WITH MY BOXING, HELPING ME COUNTER FASTER AND THROW PUNCHES FASTER IN CLOSE QUARTERS SITUATIONS.

Are there any throws in Aikido done without controlling the wrist? I don't know much about it and was always curious.

they have less effective ones where you counter overhead strikes, you slide your arm across their's, you grab the back of their neck with one hand, and with the arm you slid across their arm you basically just jam their chin up and back. i guess you could modify it from a punch because the overhead strike is supposed to simulate a sword strike or something...

Cool, thanks. I always wondered what else Aikido folks do. The wrist locks and such are usually the only stuff mentioned, that I hear about at least.

Actually there is a mistake in my recent post. Aikijutsu is name of a style from which Ueshiba developed Aikido. Aikido is still a completely different kind of style and old aikijutsu resembled more jujutsu.

Actually there is a mistake in my recent post. Aikijutsu is name of a style from which Ueshiba developed Aikido. Aikido is still a completely different kind of style and old aikijutsu resembled more jujutsu.

Daito-Ryu aikijujutsu was a specific style of jujutsu developed by a particular Japanese family -can't at the moment remember whether they were from the samurai or noble caste. It was originally kept within the family, ostensibly because its “advanced” teachings were better than “ordinary” jujutsu. Whether they were or not, the secret style eventually spread to outsiders.

It's worth noting altho Ueshiba cited it as his influence, during his school days and time in the military he studied several generic styles of jujutsu. Probably picked up a few things from the cult he was in, doubtless when they were trying to re-establish Jerusalem in mainland China- which wasn't at all insane on his part.

someone once told me segal had some legit nhb fights ... does anyone know anything about that (and obviously i dont mean with a modern big name org like pride/ufc/wfa ...)

Someone blew smoke up your ass. The closest seagal ever got to nhb was being choked out by “Judo” Lebell. Steven literally shat in his pants.

aikijutsu uses alot of finger locks/throws which are illeagle in MMa. there was a russian fighter, Volk Han, who was able to kote gash (wrist throw) his opponents.

http://kakutei.cside.com/kakutei.site/kakutou/image/han02.jpg

aikijutsu uses alot of finger locks/throws which are illeagle in MMa. there was a russian fighter, Volk Han, who was able to kote gash (wrist throw) his opponents.

http://kakutei.cside.com/kakutei.site/kakutou/image/han02.jpg

But presumably it also contains more than only techniques manipulating fingers or wrists?
Say throwing techniques, various simple blunt force strikes, and other such things that aren't illegal in MMA.

And yet an aikijujutsu fighter is yet to win a championship belt.....

Volk Han? This is a joke, right?

Someone blew smoke up your ass. The closest seagal ever got to nhb was being choked out by “Judo” Lebell. Steven literally shat in his pants.

HELL YEAH...I HEARD ABOUT THAT SHIT. I HEARD SEAGAL KO'D VAN DAMME AT AN AFTERPARTY TOO :sifone:

When I see Chuck Liddell's big, looping haymakers, I want to step inside and kokyo-ho him. MMA punchers throw a lot of weight into those big swinging punches, and compromise their balance, so to some extent I'd say aikido can work in MMA if, like any other art, you add to it from others.

As far as aikido's finishing moves not working in MMA, we have some nasty ones. Granted, we tweaked our traditional pins to also be arm breaks at my dojo. We don't only attack the wrist. We have pins that work the elbow, shoulder, ankles, spine, neck. Aikido can be a soft as you like or as nasty as you like, depending on your perspective. It would be interesting to see some aikido in MMA one day. Maybe I'll incorporate some in my own MMA training and fights.

We actually had some MMA guy from the Air Force come in and want to roll with us. One of his friends is a student, and this guy trashed talked. Needless to say, it was hilarious to watch not only myself and other yudansha school him, but we had a 14-year-old boy who simply sit on his arms after an ankle-pick attempt and twist the hell out of his neck for a submission. What I'm saying is, you don't fight an art, you fight a person. Just as a good MMA guy can beat or tap a mediocre aikido guy, a good aikido guy and beat a mediocre MMA guy.

one of my bjj instructors used to do aiki-jitsu and some of the wristlocks and such can have some application to self defense but overall it lacks the aliveness for freefighting

Aikido control and takedown techniques are not as effective against 100% resisting and skilled partners!!

Anyone ever study this art? Can it be applied to mma?

No it can't.

No aliveness (timing,energy,motion) in the training. Some energy and motion but there is way too much choreography to develope a sense of timing.

When a coach knows what aliveness is and more importantly how to apply to their 'art', they lose about 95% of the curriculum, including the goofy wrist locks and standing armbars etc, that don't work when someone is fighting back without restriction placed on how they can fight back.

Basically if you have an Aikido / Aiki Jitsu practitioner apply aliveness to their training (with un cooperative partners) then it quickly resembles bad Judo.

So why not just learn judo if you want to really know how to fight at that range (clinch) or Greco Roman which has also proven itself to be the best delivery systems at that range in MMA,

MMA is 100% alive and thus draws from the alive delivery systems boxing, thai, wrestling, BJJ etc.

Ever done an aikido randori? There's plenty of motion, timing and aliveness involved. I guarantee no one cooperates in randori, at least not where i train. You fight as if you were in the street. If you need to soften the guy up with strikes, that's what atemis are for. Like BJJ, aikido is one of the few arts that you can practice at combat speed because of its reliance on throws and joint locks instead of blunt strikes. Most people who disparage aikido have never done it. If you're talking about "cooperative" or "non-resisting" opponents, that means you haven't done it so you're not in a position to argue aikido's effectiveness.

I used to think Aikido had no live sparring but after reading about it realized I was wrong.

real aiki jujutsu is where judo and subsequently bjj came from. hardcore locks of all kinds.