Is there a God?

[ninjashoes]

Well?

[twinmatrix101]

no.

[eckopimpin]

no there is not a god

[CHE]

yes, and i will not debate this

im sure u aint changin your mind, and im for damn sure not changin mine
:diablo: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:

[eckopimpin]

yes, and i will not debate this

im sure u aint changin your mind, and im for damn sure not changin mine
:diablo: :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
good i dont want to get into another debate about it happens way to much

[Machiavelli]

who fuckin knows. i mean, somebody made us. we are designed right?

How the fuck is that possible. now im not sure of the heaven and hell part. or even a life after dead.

but some holy thing made us. maybe mother earth?

[KING CUNTZIA]

me + god = truth.

[Sami83]

no

[KING CUNTZIA]

no*

[Resin]

One of the most popular topics for children's books is stories from the Bible. Nearly every one of these bible stories has been altered or watered down to "protect" the minds of innocent children from the horror and shame that is GOD'S WORD. The Bible has maintained its popularity largely due to the illiteracy of its followers. The literal meaning of "illiteracy" is the inability to read, but when we speak of biblical illiteracy we mean the inability to read the bible for oneself. Believers are often raised to trust in the stories that they were taught from their childhood about the Bible and they seldom take the time to read these stories for themselves. The inconsistencies are perpetuated by parents who teach their children the same errors which they were taught when they were young. When adult believers actually do read them, they tend to ignore those portions which don't reflect the watered-down versions they have grown up with. Preachers help maintain the ignorance of their followers by skirting around the unpleasant passages and stories in the Bible, focusing instead on the same old passages such as John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...". There have been instances where freethinkers, such as Robert Ingersoll, have offered rewards of thousands of dollars to any preacher who would read specific passages directly to their congregation as they are contained in the Bible. No preacher was willing to read these passages. The reasons they don't want their congregations to be informed of the truth are quite simple: the Bible cannot stand up to critical scrutiny. Believers are told that they should rely on FAITH rather than trust what they see with their own eyes. The Bible itself warns that we are not to trust in our own ability to reason or understand (Proverbs 3:5). With that in mind, we now present a rational analysis of some old favorite Bible Stories as well as a few of those ones your local pastor refuses to talk about in Sunday School.

What Follows is based on the irrational belief that an/any actual God(s) exists.


The Creation

The Bible says that in the "beginning" God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1) Here's the story they don't tell you:

On the first day of creation this God thought, "Hey, let's have some water here." And poof there was water and God floated around in it. This water was dark and had no form. The Bible called this water, the earth (Genesis 1:2). Then God said, "let's have some light here." Poof we have light. What is the source of this light? We don't know, since this is only the first day of creation and the sun and the stars aren't created until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14). At the end of the first day of creation, God decides that he doesn't want the light and the darkness to be together anymore so he seperates them and calls them day and night. How darkness was able to exist in the presence of light before God seperated them is another of those great biblical mysteries.

On the third day of creation, God gathered up the lower water and formed a flat surface with four corners. These corners are mentioned throughout the Bible (Ezekiel 7:2, Revelations 7:1). From this table of water, God "let the dry land appear." God then made grass, herbs and fruit plants appear on the land. No mention is made of any aquatic plants, but we will trust that God probably made those on this day also. Let's take a look at what the Bible says the earth looks like at this point.

When day 4 rolls around, God finally decides to create the sun, moon, and stars. Where the light of day was coming from on the other three days is a mystery. Perhaps it was simply God's illustrious personality? The Bible says that God made two great lights (the sun and the moon), but we know from exploration that the moon is not a light since it is merely reflecting the light of the sun. The Bible legitimizes the occult practice of astrology on this day by stating that one of the purposes of stars is to serve as "signs" (Genesis 1:14).

On the last working day of the creation, God makes all the rest of the creatures that live on the land to include man. When God decides to make man he says "Let us make man in our image after our likeness..." (Genesis 1:26) This passage reveals quite a bit about the true physical nature of God. It tells us that there is more than one God and it tells us that these Gods have a body which has a form and features similar to ours (an image is defined as a representation of the form and features of something), the Gods were able to "create" man in their image by splicing their DNA into that of the primates that were to become man.

The Bible tells us of an instance where a man was stoned to death just because he picked up sticks on God's special day of rest. The man was probably gathering sticks for his family's cooking fire. In this story, the people aren't sure what they should do with this man so they take him to Moses. God then tells Moses that this man must be put to death. God's true sense of mercy and justice are made quite clear in this instance, when a man is put to death for simply picking up sticks. As the attendance at churches across this country continues to decline, we're sure that preachers will wish they could return to the days when those who broke the sabbath and didn't go to church could be executed. If a God created the world, then when we look around this world, we should see the nature of that God reflected. What do we see when we look around? We see life struggling to survive off the suffering of others. Animals are forced to mutilate and devour other animals in order to stay alive. Eat or be eaten. This is the nature of God. When creationists preach that a perfect God created this world, they often ignore the fact that this creation is full of imperfection. Genetic mutations occur in plants and animals which cause handicaps, suffering and injustice. Take, for instance, the mentally retarded child or the child that is born without limbs. If God is supposed to be so perfect, why did he create such a potentially imperfect world? And some people are so naive as to believe that heaven will be perfect, when he can't even get earth right!


Adam and Eve

After God created the earth, he decided to make man so he would have someone to till the earth. When God created the first man, he made him ignorant, like the beasts of the field. Adam, the first man, didn't possess the ability to form concepts of value in his mind. Adam was nothing more than a robot, waiting to do whatever his programmer demanded. God created this man to be the gardener of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:15). It was God's intention that man be a slave in this garden forever without the ability to think for himself or the ability to choose right from wrong. For some strange reason God planted a tree in the garden that would give man the same abilities that God wanted to keep from him. God had also planted another tree in the garden which bestows eternal life.

After promising man a life of turmoil and suffering, God made clothes for Adam and Eve and dressed them. Then God talks to the other Gods and says, "Behold the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:..." (Genesis 3:22) God then sends man out of the garden and sets up angels to guard the tree of life. God's position of authority over man is safeguarded once more.

[Resin]

The Sons of God

Christians are taught that Jesus was the only Son of God, but the Bible tells us about other sons that God had. The first mention of these sons of God comes after Adam and Eve are kicked out of the Garden of Eden. During that time, man had begun to multiply and cover the face of the earth and men began to have lots of daughters. The Bible tells us that the sons of God saw these daughters of men and they took them to be their wives. These sons of God then proceded to have children with human women. These children grew up to become mighty men (Genesis 6:1-4). Similar stories can be found in Greek mythology of heroes coming from the unions of Gods who mated with human women. Christians who refuse to believe these Greek mythologies (such as the story of Zeus mating with a human female and creating Hercules) should reconsider the reasons they believe the biblical versions. These sons of God are mentioned again in the book of Job. Twice there are instances where the sons of God come to present themselves before God to report on their activities (Job 1:6, 2:1). Exactly what are these sons up to? The Bible suggests that they are reporting on the state of affairs on earth. Why the all-knowing, all-seeing God, needs someone to tell him what's going on is a mystery. When the sons of God come to visit God, Satan decides to join them. Apparently the authors of the Bible thought that Satan was able to freely enter God's presence. The Bible claims that Satan would annoy God by reporting to God anytime one of his saints committed a sin. God finally grew tired of Satan's badgering and had him thrown out of heaven (Isaiah 29:20, Rev. 12:10).


Noah's Ark

Noah's Ark is the predominant theme in many baby-oriented products that are sold on the american market. Noah's boat and its cargo of happy, friendly animals grace the walls of baby nurseries across the nation. {\field{\*\fldinst{HYPERLINK "tower.html"The Tower of Babel, he left man alone for several hundred years until a man named Abraham was born. Abraham came from a family that worshipped many different Gods. One of these Gods, talked to Abraham and told him to leave his family and travel to another country and if he did, this God promised to make him a great nation. So Abraham did what this God told him to do and he took his wife, Sarah and his nephew, Lot and all their slaves and possessions and traveled to a land called Canaan. While they were journeying near Egypt, Abraham became afraid that the Egyptians would see his beautiful wife and they would kill him and take her so he told his wife to tell the Egyptians that she was his sister and not his wife. When the Egyptian princes of Pharoh saw her, they told the Pharoh about her and the Pharoh had her brought to his house so he could have sex with her. The Pharoh purchased Sarah from Abraham with sheep, oxen, camels, asses, and slaves. Abraham still didn't tell them that she was his wife. Abraham, God's chosen man, was pimping his wife out as a prostitute and did God punish HIM for doing this? NO! God sends a plague to the Pharoh and his household! The Pharoh had done nothing wrong but God punished him anyway. When the Pharoh learns that the plague is because he was having sex with the wife of God's chosen man, he says, "Abraham, what have you done to me? Why didn't you tell me she was your wife?" Then Pharoh gave Abraham his wife back and sent him on his way along with all the riches that Abraham had gained from pimping his wife (Genesis 12:18-20)

[Resin]

Moses Establishes Idol Worship

When Moses came down off the Mount with the tablets that had the ten commandments written on them, he saw the people dancing naked and worshipping the golden calf idol. This made him so angry that he threw the tablets down and they broke (Exodus 32:19). He then had the people kill each other (See HYPERLINK "bloody.html"The Bloody Bible). God had commanded that his people were not to make idols or images that they would bowed down before and worship (Leviticus 26:1). "Moses and the Brass Serpent Idol"

But during one of the times when God failed to provide food or water for his pets, (the Hebrews) they dared to complain and he sent them "fiery" (poisonous) snakes which bit the people and many of them died. When Moses asked God to take the snakes away, God commanded Moses to make an idol for the people to bow down to, in violation of his own law. This idol was a brass serpent which was placed on a pole. Any who had been bitten by the snakes who looked at the idol would be cured (Numbers 21:5-9). The Bible doesn't mention why God didn't just use his magic powers to heal those who had been bitten. Why was it suddenly okay to worship a serpent, of all things? The serpent was supposed to be evil wasn't it? It seems to us that this story was stolen from some other mythology since God would never have commanded his people to create an idol of a serpent to look up to for their salvation.

[KING CUNTZIA]

TEH ANUNNAKI ARE COMING BACK TO KILL YOU ALL!!111
bow down.

[Lethal730]

Jesus...when I first thought about it I was like yeah maybe there is a God. Then I read what Resin had to say and well now I feel like...Where I once was blind now I can see type shit.
If there is a God im sure hes thinking the same thing I am right now...Who the fuck would believe that crazy shit?

[Resin]

what i copyed and pasted wasnt my belief's just a way to open up others views on the subject i copied what i did from another web-site...........


dont get mad at me.

[eckopimpin]

thats to much to read

[Resin]

read it you might expand you're brain cell matter.

[hvi77]

i believe there is a god

[theragingbull]

i heard god is the spark that began the universe and nothing else.

[Resin]

big bang theory?

[ninjashoes]

god is synchronictity like how every moment of your life led up to the day you discovered this forum, its fate

[Resin]

true

[ninjashoes]

god created the herb so that man may smoke it

[Branden]

there is no way to know if there is or is not a god, so the question is irrelevant to life.

[chech]

God once spoke to me. He said if I killed myself that I would go to heaven.

Hasn't anybody thought what happens after you die? Just nothingness? And Christianity is only 2000 years old and there are tons of religions in the world. Who's right and who's wrong?

[MMA~FAN]

yes!

[Branden]

what happens after you die? your nervous system shuts down, and you stop functioning. nothing else.

[TBA]

, God's chosen man, was pimping his wife out as a prostitute and did God punish HIM for doing this? NO! God sends a plague to the Pharoh and his household! The Pharoh had done nothing wrong but God punished him anyway. (Genesis 12:18-20)
What "plague" did Abraham's hottie wife carry? Teh V.D.?

[noe00005]

Here's some links for the "better" logical arguements against the Christian God, stuff like if God is all powerful why does he allow bad things to happen. Take this stuff with a grain of salt though, philosophers have been attacking and defending these positions for thousands of years and all they have come up with is... :bukkake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_free_will

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_poor_design

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Here's a good overview of both sides
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God#Inductive_arguments_.28against.29

[Resin]

What "plague" did Abraham's hottie wife carry? Teh V.D.?


good question.

[mussolini]

There most deffinatley is a god IMO.

[mussolini]

One of the most popular topics for children's books is stories from the Bible. Nearly every one of these bible stories has been altered or watered down to "protect" the minds of innocent children from the horror and shame that is GOD'S WORD. The Bible has maintained its popularity largely due to the illiteracy of its followers. The literal meaning of "illiteracy" is the inability to read, but when we speak of biblical illiteracy we mean the inability to read the bible for oneself. Believers are often raised to trust in the stories that they were taught from their childhood about the Bible and they seldom take the time to read these stories for themselves. The inconsistencies are perpetuated by parents who teach their children the same errors which they were taught when they were young. When adult believers actually do read them, they tend to ignore those portions which don't reflect the watered-down versions they have grown up with. Preachers help maintain the ignorance of their followers by skirting around the unpleasant passages and stories in the Bible, focusing instead on the same old passages such as John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...". There have been instances where freethinkers, such as Robert Ingersoll, have offered rewards of thousands of dollars to any preacher who would read specific passages directly to their congregation as they are contained in the Bible. No preacher was willing to read these passages. The reasons they don't want their congregations to be informed of the truth are quite simple: the Bible cannot stand up to critical scrutiny. Believers are told that they should rely on FAITH rather than trust what they see with their own eyes. The Bible itself warns that we are not to trust in our own ability to reason or understand (Proverbs 3:5). With that in mind, we now present a rational analysis of some old favorite Bible Stories as well as a few of those ones your local pastor refuses to talk about in Sunday School.

What Follows is based on the irrational belief that an/any actual God(s) exists.


The Creation

The Bible says that in the "beginning" God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1) Here's the story they don't tell you:

On the first day of creation this God thought, "Hey, let's have some water here." And poof there was water and God floated around in it. This water was dark and had no form. The Bible called this water, the earth (Genesis 1:2). Then God said, "let's have some light here." Poof we have light. What is the source of this light? We don't know, since this is only the first day of creation and the sun and the stars aren't created until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14). At the end of the first day of creation, God decides that he doesn't want the light and the darkness to be together anymore so he seperates them and calls them day and night. How darkness was able to exist in the presence of light before God seperated them is another of those great biblical mysteries.

On the third day of creation, God gathered up the lower water and formed a flat surface with four corners. These corners are mentioned throughout the Bible (Ezekiel 7:2, Revelations 7:1). From this table of water, God "let the dry land appear." God then made grass, herbs and fruit plants appear on the land. No mention is made of any aquatic plants, but we will trust that God probably made those on this day also. Let's take a look at what the Bible says the earth looks like at this point.

When day 4 rolls around, God finally decides to create the sun, moon, and stars. Where the light of day was coming from on the other three days is a mystery. Perhaps it was simply God's illustrious personality? The Bible says that God made two great lights (the sun and the moon), but we know from exploration that the moon is not a light since it is merely reflecting the light of the sun. The Bible legitimizes the occult practice of astrology on this day by stating that one of the purposes of stars is to serve as "signs" (Genesis 1:14).

On the last working day of the creation, God makes all the rest of the creatures that live on the land to include man. When God decides to make man he says "Let us make man in our image after our likeness..." (Genesis 1:26) This passage reveals quite a bit about the true physical nature of God. It tells us that there is more than one God and it tells us that these Gods have a body which has a form and features similar to ours (an image is defined as a representation of the form and features of something), the Gods were able to "create" man in their image by splicing their DNA into that of the primates that were to become man.

The Bible tells us of an instance where a man was stoned to death just because he picked up sticks on God's special day of rest. The man was probably gathering sticks for his family's cooking fire. In this story, the people aren't sure what they should do with this man so they take him to Moses. God then tells Moses that this man must be put to death. God's true sense of mercy and justice are made quite clear in this instance, when a man is put to death for simply picking up sticks. As the attendance at churches across this country continues to decline, we're sure that preachers will wish they could return to the days when those who broke the sabbath and didn't go to church could be executed. If a God created the world, then when we look around this world, we should see the nature of that God reflected. What do we see when we look around? We see life struggling to survive off the suffering of others. Animals are forced to mutilate and devour other animals in order to stay alive. Eat or be eaten. This is the nature of God. When creationists preach that a perfect God created this world, they often ignore the fact that this creation is full of imperfection. Genetic mutations occur in plants and animals which cause handicaps, suffering and injustice. Take, for instance, the mentally retarded child or the child that is born without limbs. If God is supposed to be so perfect, why did he create such a potentially imperfect world? And some people are so naive as to believe that heaven will be perfect, when he can't even get earth right!


Adam and Eve

After God created the earth, he decided to make man so he would have someone to till the earth. When God created the first man, he made him ignorant, like the beasts of the field. Adam, the first man, didn't possess the ability to form concepts of value in his mind. Adam was nothing more than a robot, waiting to do whatever his programmer demanded. God created this man to be the gardener of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:15). It was God's intention that man be a slave in this garden forever without the ability to think for himself or the ability to choose right from wrong. For some strange reason God planted a tree in the garden that would give man the same abilities that God wanted to keep from him. God had also planted another tree in the garden which bestows eternal life.

After promising man a life of turmoil and suffering, God made clothes for Adam and Eve and dressed them. Then God talks to the other Gods and says, "Behold the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:..." (Genesis 3:22) God then sends man out of the garden and sets up angels to guard the tree of life. God's position of authority over man is safeguarded once more.

Great post man, very informative, makes you think.

[Resin]

Great post man, very informative, makes you think.


and that's what i was aiming for .................. thanks for reading.

[TBA]

and that's what i was aiming for .................. thanks for reading.
I read the whole original stuff too.

The more I learn the more I realize how much I don't know.

I am humble enough to know that there might be a lot beyond what I can comprehend. Does an ant know about physics? I don't think so. I might be like that ant relative to some knowledge.

Something that can be debated also is whether creation with a god is more complex than evolution without one.

If there is a god my brain cannot comprehend omnipotence.

If not I don't know why there is a drive to evolve in soo many creatures.

All of this stuff is way above my brain function at this point but I like to think about the many possibilities.

[TODDWARNER99]

Well?
If you have to ask this question then you should know the Answer... IF you doubt than you know the answer.:diablo: :sifone: :sifone:

[nzjujitsu]

YES there is a God and there is a Heaven and Hell

[Resin]

my friend who is a satanist believes that this where we are is heaven and when you die that's it.



As for the drive of animals i never ruled out darwins theory of evoulution because they’ve mapped out the human genome, and discovered that we're 96 to 99% chimpanzee.

[nzjujitsu]

so were similar , we dont even look alike , this is not hell read the bible

[TBA]

As for the drive of animals i never ruled out darwins theory of evoulution because they’ve mapped out the human genome, and discovered that we're 96 to 99% chimpanzee.
Yes, but why? What causes this drive? What made a creature have it in his DNA to want to evolve and reproduce and succeed?

Those are deeper questions that are more complex the further you go into it.

[Resin]

all things evolve just look at dinosaurs there from the reptilian family look at crocodiles look at the lizards that sit on yer fence they look like small dinosaurs.

[noe00005]

On the drive, stuff like mating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instincts


As for physical evolution, stuff like why a giraffe has such a long neck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

[TODDWARNER99]

who prays everyday?

[Sami83]

tämän taivaan alla tuuli puhaltaa, se hakee vertaistaan
ja pieni ihminen ristii kätensä, rukoillakseen
mutta rukous on vain mutina tuulessa, ei sitä kuukaan kuule
ja, jos jostain joskus löytyy jumala, ei se lapsekseen, kuvakseen
minua tunnista

[Godfather99]

The word "god" is used by the ignorant to define what is, as to this point, unexplainable. As science advances, "god" becomes less powerful and less benevolent. Think back to all of the things that were worshipped as "god". Fire, the sun, the moon, the stars, the weather, etc.

There is very little left that is unexplained. What started it and how it ends seem to be the only things science cant systematically prove with current technology. When these two things are explained in a controlled scientific environment what happens to the millions of people who have spent their entire lives believing its has been the "handl of 'God'"?

[Arlovski]

The best thing to do is smoke weed to open your mind, and evaluate the thought of this one "God" without bias (least bias as possible) and you'll see why it 's a little odd. If complexity is infinite then knowing everything is impossible, and if nothing is infinite, then there is a quantum of matter and energy, and if there is a quantum, matter and energy would be moving along in groves or little cubes, orbs of some sort, and that doesn't make any sense at all does it? I just 19 and it doesn't take freaking Einstein to figure this stuff out.

[Arlovski]

The word "god" is used by the ignorant to define what is, as to this point, unexplainable. As science advances, "god" becomes less powerful and less benevolent. Think back to all of the things that were worshipped as "god". Fire, the sun, the moon, the stars, the weather, etc.

There is very little left that is unexplained. What started it and how it ends seem to be the only things science cant systematically prove with current technology. When these two things are explained in a controlled scientific environment what happens to the millions of people who have spent their entire lives believing its has been the "handl of 'God'"?

Good point with the question to end your comment, when I was younger I was thinking of becoming a priest, and today I'm pretty glad I decided not to, it would embarrass many, especially among the most embarressed would be very good people, this world is so much trouble it's hard to imagine, but slowly overtime the world will realize that weed is a useful tool (to cleanse your subconcious), and there is no god, there maybe a creator, but I highly doubt that anyone has come to realize such a figure. :sifone:

[Jugo]

Proverb 3:5 "My son to my wisdom pay attention. To my dicernment incline your ears, so as to gaurd thinking abilities; and may your own lips safegaurd knowledge..."

To me that doesnt sound like we are not supposed to believe in our own abilities, but contrary to that. The rest of this chapter continues as such to push you to be more independent rather than relying on others, which is to be taken in a spiritual and knowledgeable sense rather than physical (i.e. dont believe everything you hear, but you can still accept help from your nieghbor).

As for God making man in his image and saying "make him in OUR image", if anyone has actually read the Bible you find many references to the Holy Trinity, a prime example of this is during Jesus' baptism, when he is dipped, the heaven open ad a light shines down, calling his name, a dove flies past, and Jesus is raised from the lake. God the father speaks, Jesus the son listens, and the dove represents the Holy Spirit.

I'm not gonna go into debating a whole lot of what you said, because that would take forever, but urge you to go check out both sides of everything you've said. The Bible in my opinion, although i believe in it, is more of metaphors representing how we should and shouldnt be. Take Proverbs 3:5 for instance, as it continues it tells on how not to follow strange woman as they lead you to places of sin etc etc...I dont believe this refers to an actual woman, rather temptation referred to as "she". As in, be wearing to not let "her" (temptation) pull you from rightousness.

Now i looked into Abraham pimping his wife, and what you forgot to mention is that upon entering egypt, Abraham had told his wife to pretend she was his sister because she was very beautiful and egytians would kill him becuase of jelousy. Pharoh then gave Abraham goods, rather than killing him, soley to get to his "sister" which angered God. Abraham subsequently was booted out of Egypt, which he wouldnt have been welcomed in the first place was it not for Pharoh's attraction to his wife, as Jews and Egyptians as we know didnt really get along.

As for the serpent pole, i dont believe that to be worshipping. The serpent was chosen as a reminder for the people for what was taking place. The had sinned and so God released poisonous serpents on them. Them lloking at the copper image is more of a reminder of what happens the next time you sin (serpents perhaps) than a worhsipping. It was never asked of them to pray to the copper image, or kneel or any of that sort, rather look as you were bitten and return to ur tents.

Anywho its getting late, g'nite all

[Fantouz]

The age old question. It's down to faith and personal conviction. I don't think there can be any scientific evidence to prove or disprove the existence of God.

[matty1022]

yea im right here whats your question??

[Zankou]

There are five gods. Not one.

[groundfighter]

Read "mere christianity" by CS Lewis

he was an atheist before he became a christian and he talks about his views as an atheist and then argues against them because he found the truth. Yes there is one God. The God of abraham, isaac, and jacob. Faith in a sense means believing without seeing. as far as evolution is concerned if we came from apes or chimps or monkeys... why are there still apes, monkeys, and chimps around now?

[weeb]

i sure hope so

[fx51]

I am an atheist and will not be influenced by religion/god.

[Axeman]

yes there is a God and he posts on the ninjashoes. but for real, yes there is a God.

[jbatesball]

yes!

[crazyhorse]

There is a God......he used to post on Sherdog every now and then.

[GOD]

There is a God......he used to post on Sherdog every now and then.

That must have been some blasphemer,I've never posted on sherdog.

[henry]

http://ninjashoes.net/forum/uploaded/1409_1160910615.jpg

And His name is Carlos Ray "Chuck" Norris!!!

[soccerfreak]

I am so glad branden has died before to tell us that there is nothing else after death. Every single person who has ever had "close encounters" will tell you there is life after death. I met a women who has been pronounced dead by doctors than came back to life...she has legally been dead 7 times. I met her 4-5 years ago and she was more than willing to let me know that there is a GOD and Life continues on man...life continues on....

[Murray]

I don't think there's a god in the traditional sense that every religion seems to keep spewing in every other religions face. But there's definitely something tricky going on here and I think science coupled with spirituality will be the best way for us to get our answers.

[mmalover]

I believe there is. I don't believe my loved ones who were good in life suffer the same fate as ppl like Hitler, Dahmer etc.

[Internet Predator]

god is an imaginary friend for grown-ups

[mmalover]

god is an imaginary friend for grown-ups

Once again, my loved ones who passed on didn't recieve the same fate as the scum of the Earth who died. I find it disturbing to think you suggest good ppl suffer the same fate as bad ppl. Only someone who doesn't accept responsibility for what he or she does makes those types of suggestions. I.E.: you can justify doing just about anything if you never have to answer for it. I'm not surprised by your teenage respnse.

[crazyhorse]

Once again, my loved ones who passed on didn't recieve the same fate as the scum of the Earth who died. I find it disturbing to think you suggest good ppl suffer the same fate as bad ppl. Only someone who doesn't accept responsibility for what he or she does makes those types of suggestions. I.E.: you can justify doing just about anything if you never have to answer for it. I'm not surprised by your teenage respnse.

There is no such thing as good and evil. Its all relative to the observer.

[Evil]

There is no such thing as good and evil. Its all relative to the observer.


Go have sex with a terrorist.

[crazyhorse]

Go have sex with a terrorist.

I can't.....I have no genitalia

[Evil]

I can't.....I have no genitalia


Damn that sucks... sorry to hear that.

[jollyg420]

if there is a god, he'd stop this thread .... LOL

[MANvsTREE]

I believe there is. I cant explain why or why not, but thats how i believe. call it what you will.

[sneakycastro]

yes

[meepins]

Once again, my loved ones who passed on didn't recieve the same fate as the scum of the Earth who died. I find it disturbing to think you suggest good ppl suffer the same fate as bad ppl. Only someone who doesn't accept responsibility for what he or she does makes those types of suggestions. I.E.: you can justify doing just about anything if you never have to answer for it. I'm not surprised by your teenage respnse.
absurd post

[jingstand]

Anything is possible, but no one can say for sure either way.... hence the definition of being an agnostic.

Athiest seem to believe there is but they cant demonstrate this with certainty, the same with diest.

[jingstand]

the more important question is what is your definition of god!!! That is the question that no one discusses.

[Tom Stall]

Once again, my loved ones who passed on didn't recieve the same fate as the scum of the Earth who died. I find it disturbing to think you suggest good ppl suffer the same fate as bad ppl. Only someone who doesn't accept responsibility for what he or she does makes those types of suggestions. I.E.: you can justify doing just about anything if you never have to answer for it. I'm not surprised by your teenage respnse.

christians suggest that even the good ppl will burn if they don't believe in christ.....

[skunknuts[ADR]]

i dont believe their is, but i guess theres only one way to find out, and i guess we all have to wait for our day

[Pcmaker]

Of course there is a God. I don't believe the universe just popped out of nowhere. If the universe came from 1 particle and expanded, then where did that 1 particle come from? NOBODY can answer that question. No amount of research in an infinite amount of given time can answer that question.

[Axeman]

god damn right there is a god...he post here at ninjashoes.

[GOD]

god damn right there is a god...he post here at ninjashoes.

:drinks:

[Axeman]

cheers..:drinks:

[dukes80]

1st of all all that from -Resin San is crazy. You can take any book in the world and twist it to make it sound crazy. Why would any of you want to believe that there is not a God. The Bible often refers to men as the Sons of God. That does not mean that they were gods themselves and yes I absolutely believe that Jesus was the Son of God. I am a christian and to many things have happened in my life for it to be a coincidence. To me God is like air we can't see it but we know it is there because we feel it and we can see the affects of it. That is the reason that the Bible tells us to have faith like a child. They believe without seeing. That is the problem with adults, they have to undrstand everything. I know that I cannot convience you, but I will tell you this. I have a man that is very close to my family that was having problems and went ot the doctor and found out he had a brain tumor behind his eye and it was inoperable. His church prayed for him and when he went back before his surgery they could not find the tumor and even were it had been. That was 10 years ago and he is still doing fine. I challenge you to pray and do your best to try to be open minded and believe and I guarentee that you will see God work in your life. It happend to me.

[dukes80]

1st of all all that from -Resin San is crazy. You can take any book in the world and twist it to make it sound crazy. Why would any of you want to believe that there is not a God. The Bible often refers to men as the Sons of God. That does not mean that they were gods themselves and yes I absolutely believe that Jesus was the Son of God. I am a christian and to many things have happened in my life for it to be a coincidence. To me God is like air we can't see it but we know it is there because we feel it and we can see the affects of it. That is the reason that the Bible tells us to have faith like a child. They believe without seeing. That is the problem with adults, they have to undrstand everything. I know that I cannot convience you, but I will tell you this. I have a man that is very close to my family that was having problems and went ot the doctor and found out he had a brain tumor behind his eye and it was inoperable. His church prayed for him and when he went back before his surgery they could not find the tumor and even were it had been. That was 10 years ago and he is still doing fine. I challenge you to pray and do your best to try to be open minded and believe and I guarentee that you will see God work in your life. It happend to me.

[Evil]

Good post dukes.

[mastodon]

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

[Jim]

I personally find it impossible to believe the bible.There's just too many contradictions for me.
Here's a few from the OT.[The NT is chocked full as well.]
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

[Boondock]

Yes, you'll meet Him someday.

[dDuecy]

God is just an anwser for people who have to have an impossible question anwsered. Nothing more! It gives people hope people dont want to face the fact that there might not be this great place for them it might be over. GOd Is for the weak basically.

[Jim]

;257676']Yes, you'll meet Him someday.

Do u no something I dont??

[cam]

God is just an anwser for people who have to have an impossible question anwsered. Nothing more! It gives people hope people dont want to face the fact that there might not be this great place for them it might be over. GOd Is for the weak basically.

The diluted. But all this god and religion is still good. It gives people a nice neat set of rules to follow. So they dont have to think for themselves.

[Jim]

The diluted. But all this god and religion is still good. It gives people a nice neat set of rules to follow. So they dont have to think for themselves.

That's a good point.It gives an authoritarian message that helps with social control.Well, maybe not in the middle east,but anyway.

[cam]

That's a good point.It gives an authoritarian message that helps with social control.Well, maybe not in the middle east,but anyway.

even more so in the middle east, imagine what they would do to each other without the Koran's teaching of modesty and morality

they bend that book all sorts of ways to suit their agenda, the Koran teaches the same value system as the old testament, even shares most of the prophets, the call to war they speak of so much is socialy driven, not religously

its just masked with religion to draw clueless followers

[Pcmaker]

I personally find it impossible to believe the bible.There's just too many contradictions for me.
Here's a few from the OT.[The NT is chocked full as well.]
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7


The Bible is confusing to people who don't follow it. They take the words literally. Keep in mind that the Bible is a translation. The Vatican has literally tens of thousands of scholars that can answer whatever question you have about the Bible's improbability.

[cam]

The Bible is confusing to people who don't follow it. They take the words literally. Keep in mind that the Bible is a translation. The Vatican has literally tens of thousands of scholars that can answer whatever question you have about the Bible's improbability.

Ya based on their interpretation: which is guided by Catholic idealogy, not even all Christians can agree on the meanings.

Literal or not, a series of goals drives every interpretion, with an end result being strived for.

That end result is that groups ideal society. This is where interpretation takes an ugly form and becomes intimidation. If you do this, then this will happen to you. If you don't do that, this will happen. Wrong wrong wrong

The bible and the Koran are used for the wrong purposes all the time!!!!!

[erskine777]

nope...we're all alone

[cam]

nope...we're all alone

i wasn't attempting to prove the exsitence of god, i was discussing the misuse of religious books to influence negative change

proving God is impossible anyway

[Jim]

The Bible is confusing to people who don't follow it. They take the words literally. Keep in mind that the Bible is a translation. The Vatican has literally tens of thousands of scholars that can answer whatever question you have about the Bible's improbability.

Yes,however the questions are answered subjectively by these vatican scholars as their overiding goal is to convince you of the bibles validity.The vatican empire is dependant on maintaining the bibles authenticity so how can answers given by Vatican scholars be anything but bias?

[Boondock]

God is just an anwser for people who have to have an impossible question anwsered. Nothing more! It gives people hope people dont want to face the fact that there might not be this great place for them it might be over. GOd Is for the weak basically.

This is a typical response with usually little thought put into it. It demeans those with faith and comes accross as arrogant and seems to be graspong searching for some sort of logical highground. All forms of weakness. In fact what is ironic is that those who say "religion is a crutch for the weak" are often weak individuals and mistake arrogance or ignorance for strength and humility and mercy as weakness.

[cam]

;259934']This is a typical response with usually little thought put into it. It demeans those with faith and comes accross as arrogant and seems to be graspong searching for some sort of logical highground. All forms of weakness. In fact what is ironic is that those who say "religion is a crutch for the weak" are often weak individuals and mistake arrogance or ignorance for strength and humility and mercy as weakness.

strength, humiliy and mercy are some of mankinds greatest attributes, faith is not required to posses them, nor does having faith prove any of those attributes

That being said, assuming one who has faith is weak because of their faith is an error as well. I believe whatever a human being can do to help them be a good contributing member of society and a good person is a valuable tool. If relgion and or a belief in God can provide them with the tools nessisary to be that member of society, then great. I however wish to find my own ways to do that and would like to be left alone to do so. My beef with religion only arrises we I see it used as a tool to persuade the weak minded to act in a negative fashion.

[Boondock]

My beef with religion only arrises we I see it used as a tool to persuade the weak minded to act in a negative fashion.

Great post but this last line brings something up; the post was not about religion but about God. In my experience, the monotany of organized religion is a pale replacement for God.

Religion is not just Christianity (which ironically enough there is very little tolerance for), but Buddhism, Hinduism, Judiasm, Islam, new age, earth worship, pantheism, etc, etc. Religion is different than God in that religion is man's attempt to reach out to something "eternal"... while God is the Eternal.

I understand that I will recieve strong disagreement for that last statement because of the theology inbedded... but let's agree first of all that religion and God are two different issues.

[ferg-a-riffic]

how the heck is anything possible without being created? whether you wanna call it God, Allah, Ford, Ninjashoes.... everything has to be created at some point.

[Subroc]

Proof that there is no God (http://ninjashoes.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8916).