alexdlrg
08-17-2007, 07:57 PM
I don't believe there is a god.
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View Full Version : Is there a God? alexdlrg 08-17-2007, 07:57 PM I don't believe there is a god. JKDkilla 08-21-2007, 04:04 PM If God is the thing that created the world, then what created God? And don't say that God always existed. I could just as easily retort that the world always existed. It is funny you say that. Let me ask you, does space have an end? If it does—if there is a brick wall at the end of space that reads “The End”—I want to know what’s behind the brick wall. By faith we are forced to believe that no matter in which direction we set off, space will never end. It just goes on and on and on—forever. It has no beginning or end. It stresses the brain to think about such a state, but we have no choice but to accept that fact by faith. However, God is not subject to the dimension of time. He dwells in eternity. The Bible tells us that to God a day is the same as a thousand years (see 2 Peter 3:8). You can prove this for yourself by studying the prophecies of the Bible mentioned in a later chapter. God can flick through time as you and I flick through the pages of a history book. If you find this hard to believe, even when confronted with the evidence of biblical prophecies, you will find it to be true one day. The Scriptures tell us that God will eventually withdraw time, and we will then dwell in eternity. The Christian is told that he understands “by faith.” For instance, if I have major surgery, I trust the surgeon even though I have no real understanding of how he is going to operate. I have to trust him or there will be no operation. I understand that he has the ability to make me well, so I have faith in him. Even the thought of not believing in God is faith. You have to have faith in the information you've been given to make your assumption. How do we know Napoleon lived? That General Custard was killed by Indians? That Columbus found the Americas? You might say that history books tell us this. Well the Bible is the recorded history of the earliest living people of the earth so how do we know this isn't true? Archiological finds have given more validity to the bible, here is a site for you http://www.bible-history.com/. Also the bible teaches us things that were discredited by many philosophers and even people in the early discovery periods of the world. We all know the early thinking of the earth being flat but if any of those people would have cared to pick up the bible they would have seen they were wrong. Isaiah 40:22 says God sits above 'the circle of the earth' (the Hebrew word for 'circle' can also mean a 'sphere'). Also, Luke 17:34-36 depicts Christ's Second Coming as happening while some are asleep at night and others are working at day-time activities in the field-an indication of a rotating earth with day and night at the same time. Now the believe of one god over another is another topic. JKDkilla 08-21-2007, 04:11 PM I don't believe there is a god. This is what people should be saying instead of "there is no God". To make the statement there is no God you need to be all knowing and by that I mean, if I asked how many hairs are on any persons head you should be able to know it not guess it. Therefore, it is reasonable for me to conclude that there are some things you don’t know. It is important to ask these questions because there are some people who think they know everything. Let’s say that you know an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe. To know 100 percent, you would have to know absolutely everything. There wouldn’t be a rock in the universe that you would not be intimately familiar with, or a grain of sand that you would not be aware of. You would know everything that has happened in history, from that which is common knowledge to the minor details of the secret love life of Napoleon’s Great-grandmother’s black cat’s fleas. You would know every hair of every head, and every thought of every heart. All history would be laid out before you, because you would be omniscient (all-knowing). Bear in mind that one of the greatest scientists who ever lived, Thomas Edison, said, “We do not know a millionth of one percent about anything.” Let me repeat: Let’s say that you have an incredible one percent of all the knowledge in the universe.Would it be possible, in the ninety-nine percent of the knowledge that you haven’t yet come across, that there might be ample evidence to prove the existence of God? If you are reasonable, you will be forced to admit that it is possible. Somewhere, in the vast knowledge you haven’t yet discovered, there could be enough evidence to prove that God does exist. lancaster 08-22-2007, 04:26 AM It is funny you say that. Let me ask you, does space have an end? ... I agree with you that most of what we know to be true is just a belief based on faith. I've never been to Africa, but I believe that such a place exists and that there are elephants there. This belief is purely based on faith because I believe the people who have told me this and it seems rational to me. Now I don't believe in the easter bunny, or santa or the tooth fairy. Like Africa, I've never seen them. But the difference is that the existence of these things doesn't seem rational to me. Now with God. I put this in the same category as the easter bunny because it just doesn't seem rational that such a thing would exist. I have read large portions of the bible, had long discussions with preachers and read many "proofs" of the existence of God. But nothing so far has convinced me that God exists. If you have evidence or reasoning to the contrary I'd love to hear it. I'm quite open to changing my mind if presented with convincing new evidence. I looked at the web site you posted but didn't see anything convincing. vBulletin® v3.7.4, Copyright ©2000-2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. |