Do read it bro... I think its definitely worth it.... Do you agree that God can exist in other ways than described in Bible. I mean you cannot disprove God by disproving Bible.

<<Dalai Lama said that if Science can Disprove ANY of the things said in Buddhism, It has to change. Buddha said that Truth is that what works. He did not asked his followers to believe in him because he said it.

Of Course you need to have faith in your mentor. You can test him before choosing him as your teacher, but after you have chosen him, there should be no questioning of ways or methods. He should have your full confidence and devotion.>>

What do you think about this, Specifically.....

Do read it bro... I think its definitely worth it.... Do you agree that God can exist in other ways than described in Bible. I mean you cannot disprove God by disproving Bible.

<<Dalai Lama said that if Science can Disprove ANY of the things said in Buddhism, It has to change. Buddha said that Truth is that what works. He did not asked his followers to believe in him because he said it.

Of Course you need to have faith in your mentor. You can test him before choosing him as your teacher, but after you have chosen him, there should be no questioning of ways or methods. He should have your full confidence and devotion.>>

What do you think about this, Specifically.....

honestly, im going to have to come back and read all this tomorrow bro.. im not ignoring you, i just dont have it in me right now..

Do read it bro... I think its definitely worth it.... Do you agree that God can exist in other ways than described in Bible. I mean you cannot disprove God by disproving Bible.

Without a doubt.Every religion claims to be the ONLY way to salvation & the bible is no different.Trying to prove God is impossible & the bible certainly doesn't prove anything.
It's a story of faith & no more.Everyone WANTS to go to heaven & it's a matter of how many biblical condractions and fallacies are you willing to overlook or explain away in order to keep that hope alive?
If there is a God bro I'm willing to bet he takes all good hearted people to heaven & not just christians or church goers.

Without a doubt.Every religion claims to be the ONLY way to salvation & the bible is no different.Trying to prove God is impossible & the bible certainly doesn't prove anything.
It's a story of faith & no more.Everyone WANTS to go to heaven & it's a matter of how many biblical condractions and fallacies are you willing to overlook or explain away in order to keep that hope alive?
If there is a God bro I'm willing to bet he takes all good hearted people to heaven & not just christians or church goers.

+1.

Without a doubt.Every religion claims to be the ONLY way to salvation & the bible is no different.Trying to prove God is impossible & the bible certainly doesn't prove anything.
It's a story of faith & no more.Everyone WANTS to go to heaven & it's a matter of how many biblical condractions and fallacies are you willing to overlook or explain away in order to keep that hope alive?
If there is a God bro I'm willing to bet he takes all good hearted people to heaven & not just christians or church goers.

I said that I admit that to me the bible contradictions are convincing proof that bible is not the word of god, Unless anyone else can prove otherwise.
Bible is not the word of god coz the prophet Jesus did not wrote or oversee the writing of bible. And since Bible was not written by Jesus, you cannot discredit Jesus as messiah.

About the fallacies, I guess you are referring to miracles. I believe in miracles. Maybe science is not able to understand the miracles because it has not been able to fully understand the immense powers of Human mind and spirit. Maybe science has not yet been able to explain miracles. I mean if in fifteenth century you told anyone that someday people would be able to fly, reach the moon you would be considered mad. But today its possible. Miracles are ideas and events much ahead of time. Not everyone can perform miracles.

And Just because you cannot explain miracles is no proof that they dont happen. Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.


The scripture does NOT emphasizes on converting to a particular religion but shows the way to meet God and attain salvation insignificant of the religion one belongs to.

Salvation can be attained by anyone who meditates upon the name of God. I never said that you need to be a Sikh, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or a Jew to attain salvation.

Yes

I said that I admit that to me the bible contradictions are convincing proof that bible is not the word of god, Unless anyone else can prove otherwise.
Bible is not the word of god coz the prophet Jesus did not wrote or oversee the writing of bible. And since Bible was not written by Jesus, you cannot discredit Jesus as messiah..

So if the bible is not the word of God then why do you choose to believe some parts & not others?Why do you chose to believe miracles but not Gods ordering of stoning men to death for collecting sticks on the sabbath?
But waht of the holy spirit?Didn't Jesus bless & fill the apostles with the holy spirit to ensure that the most significant event in human history was documented truthfully & remain sacred?Do you believe in Jesus but not the holy spirit?Was Jesus lying when he blessed the apostles with the holy spirit?

About the fallacies, I guess you are referring to miracles. I believe in miracles. Maybe science is not able to understand the miracles because it has not been able to fully understand the immense powers of Human mind and spirit. Maybe science has not yet been able to explain miracles. I mean if in fifteenth century you told anyone that someday people would be able to fly, reach the moon you would be considered mad. But today its possible. Miracles are ideas and events much ahead of time. Not everyone can perform miracles.

Yes today it is possible to reach the moon & its backed up by science.But with miracles & with all we now know we're no closer to proving they exist.Why, because there is absolutely NO evidence they do,no-one can perform miracles under clinical testing,there are many who today claim that they can & they have their believers but for some reason nobody outside of their followers believes them....Coincidence??

And Just because you cannot explain miracles is no proof that they dont happen. Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I'm sure miraculous events occur but they also happen to people who aern't religous.As far as raising the dead & water into wine goes well I simply have no evidence to believe it.

The scripture does NOT emphasizes on converting to a particular religion but shows the way to meet God and attain salvation insignificant of the religion one belongs to

Wrong.
The scripture[Jesus] plainly says, " I am the way the truth & the life & NO-ONE comes to the father except by me".
Literal translation...Its our way or Hell.

So if the bible is not the word of God then why do you choose to believe some parts & not others?Why do you chose to believe miracles but not Gods ordering of stoning men to death for collecting sticks on the sabbath?
But waht of the holy spirit?Didn't Jesus bless & fill the apostles with the holy spirit to ensure that the most significant event in human history was documented truthfully & remain sacred?Do you believe in Jesus but not the holy spirit?Was Jesus lying when he blessed the apostles with the holy spirit?



Yes today it is possible to reach the moon & its backed up by science.But with miracles & with all we now know we're no closer to proving they exist.Why, because there is absolutely NO evidence they do,no-one can perform miracles under clinical testing,there are many who today claim that they can & they have their believers but for some reason nobody outside of their followers believes them....Coincidence??



I'm sure miraculous events occur but they also happen to people who aern't religous.As far as raising the dead & water into wine goes well I simply have no evidence to believe it.



Wrong.
The scripture[Jesus] plainly says, " I am the way the truth & the life & NO-ONE comes to the father except by me".
Literal translation...Its our way or Hell.


Well frankly as i said that i'm not a Christian and I have not read the Bible. I dont believe in bible as a word of God. And as I said that many points in religions that originated in Indian Subcontinent like Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism are diametrically opposite to Christianity. So I dont accept to Believe any part of Bible as Word of God as It was written by Humans(Maybe they were spiritually much powerful) but word of god is supposed to reveal itself to the Prophet. And Christ was not there to oversee the writing of bible.

I dont know much about Holy Spirit as I haven't read the bible, So can you tell me something about that.

About miracles I dont think Religions should be based on Miracles. Sikh Gurus were against miracles. They said that Miracles were against nature and against the will of God.

And yes miracles do happen to people irrespective of their religious beliefs.

A miracle is an extraordinary event which reason or science cannot explain. Science has not yet advanced so far as to explain everything. According to the scientists, miracles have nothing to do with holiness or piety. Miracles are "not happening against the laws of God, but are the results of superior powers which God bestows on His servants." Men of God are able to do things which are beyond the understanding of the scientists' limited reason. Miracles should not be performed at the bidding of a king or a leader or to prove the greatness of one's religion or to confirm the faith of people in a spiritual guide.

I know that there are many fakes out there but as i said they can perform only ordinary magic tricks and are not concerned about the message they are sending or values they are spreading. The message is what should make religion. Fakes generally look out for media attention and are seen in the presence of powerful and influential people.

The Scripture I was referring to is Guru Granth Sahib - The Holy Book Of Sikhs. It was made the eleventh Guru of Sikhs by the Tenth Guru, Sri Guru Gobind Singh.

http://www.akalsangat.com/qa2.html

Q: In the West Asian religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam there is a central theme of original sin at birth. How does the Sikh faith view this concept?
The Sikh faith rejects the concept of original sin (the term is not present in Sikh spiritual doctrine) or "karma at birth" originated by the Hindu religion. Guru Nanak assures us that indeed, while this life's journey is often very painful, the reason is not that this is God's law, but because the human is often unable to see and follow Truth. the world, according to Sikh faith, is a place where we can be in a state of bliss. Truth is indeed revealed when one realizes that each of us is part and parcel of the Infinite Creator. When duality is removed one loses the sense of continuous comparison and competition with others which is the source of sorrow.

Q: How does the Sikh faith view other great men like Gautam, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Mohammad, etc.?
Sikhs have utmost respect for these great men. They have enlightened humanity. The Sikh Gurus have shown their respect for Universal Truth by including works of other enlightened souls (Kabir, Namder, etc.) in the Guru Granth Sahib. Of course, the Sikhs cannot accept any human as a Savior or the only intermediary to the Creator.

Q: In what way is the Sikh faith organized differently from other major religions?
Sikhs are fortunate that the Guru Granth Sahib was handed to us by the Gurus themselves. The Bible, the Koran, the Gita, etc., were all written by persons other than the enlightened souls. As a result there are some important differences between the Sikh faith and other religions.

Organized religions have the following common features:

Creation Theories: A theory of how the world was created by God. There are many different Creation stories. The Hindus have one, the Native Americans have several versions, and the Jewish-Christainity-Islam version is different. The Creation theory tries to capture an essentially infinite concept in a simple form.

Miracles:A leap of faith is demanded from the believer...a leap that totally violates any normal experience that he or she may have. For example, in Christianity a virgin Mary gives birth to Jesus. In every religion there are similar miraculous stories. By accepting this leap of faith the believer commits his or her intellect to the faith.

Code of Daily Living: A list of dos and don'ts is then established,. The Sikh faith discards this standard approach. It presents no theory of Creation. Instead the Gurus reply, "How can a small fish describe the ocean?" In Japji Sahib Guru Nanak uses the term Infinite or Infinity 31 times. How indeed can one capture infinity by a human mind?

In Guru Granth Sahib there is no mention of any miracles carried out by the Gurus. The Gurus continually remind the Sikh...everything operates according to the Creator's laws. One sees these laws being broken only in ignorance. From time to time the Gurus have used stories from Indian mythology to convey complex concepts. However, it is quite clear that the Gurus never presented themselves as creating any miracles. Their humility is utmost. The Sikh derives his or her faith not from miracles, but from the fact that His laws are unchanging and impartial.

Finally the Gurus don't present us with a detailed list of dos and don'ts. Foods should be health-giving. Thoughts should be enlightened, social interactions should be based on humility and spiritual choices should reduce ego. Many of the detailed dos and don'ts evolve and change as societies develop and science and technology progresses. Sikhs follow a "Rahitnama" or code of conduct which is separate from the Guru Granth Sahib. It has evolved and can accomodate changing social needs.

One more thing, I'm not a sikh evangelist.:ok:

iF I sound naive or i have not been clear or have misinterpreted anyone I would like to know because it provides me with something to think about. In the end we all want to give our brains a workout. Thanx.

it was captioned in a nutshell..

care to add to it wothout copying and pasting?

First, I think the mistake is that you are suggesting we are very clear as to what happened at the point of the Big Bang. This is one of the rare instances (black holes being the other) in which things are at the critical mass and size to require analysis by both relativity and quantum mechanics. This has been one of the biggest problems plaguing physics right now. Which is not to say that "God is there or anything", just that at present our theories are incomplete, just like Newton's Laws of Mechanics were incomplete and were improved by the Theory of Relativity.

So saying "the world was created through every single element in our periodic table existing as molecules in space all swarming together, compressing into a tiny dense mass of matter that edventually implodes, and explodes into a "BIG BANG" of enriched atmospheric colonies that can support life" is wrong.

Not only that, but the matter didn't explode or implode as that would suggest there was something to explode/implode into. The Big Bang was actually a joke term used by a critic and the name just somehow stuck. In fact, the Big Bang was simply a very rapid expansion of space-time. As the area and distance between molecules grew, the universe cooled.


how do we know this? we observe the universe and how it is expanding now, and how fast it is expanding. they multiply that time backwards and come to the conclusion that the world is 6 million years old.. a little bit longer than 9000 years like the bible would have you believe..

I don't know where you got this, but this is wrong too. There are many ways we know the Age of the Universe, microwave background radiation being (I think) the simplest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe#Age_based_on_WMAP

The figure that most cosmologists agree on is 13.7 billion years (with a 200 million year margin of error). The Earth is more accurately dated via geological methods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_earth

The current figure most geologists agree on is 4.567 billion years, not 6 million.

I don't know where you got these numbers, but this is what the creationists jump all over. I don't mean to be a dick, but know your facts before you start stating them like they are agreement with science.

yes I'm in college...
but evolving into humans are way to uncomprehensible. If that's a word.

No it's not. Ever heard the term "Stranger than fiction"?

What exactly do you have a problem with?

And yes I do believe in miracles.

Indeed? Why is it that the really cool miracles never seem to happen anymore now that we can empirically verify things. In fact, the Amazing Randi has a million dollar offer to anyone who can provide evidence for some sort of supernatural/paranormal event. I suppose God wouldn't debase himself by revealing himself for some sort of foolish scientific study.

I believe that Jesus woke up after death simply because he was not an ordinary human being.

What evidence do you have that Jesus rose from the dead other than a dusty old book whose only credibility is that some old people took it too seriously?

He had tremendous spiritual powers. I am willing to believe.

I find it odd that you are just "willing to believe" for something as fully empty of evidence as this, but not in any other part of your life. Do you ever leave your car unlocked with the keys in and a lot of money sitting on the backseat because you are "willing to believe" that people won't steal it despite having no evidence to back that belief up?


I have to believe until someone else from the other side(other point of view) can explain all those contradictions in videos.

Wow, good to know you are approaching this with a clear and open mind.


Dalai Lama said that if Science can Disprove ANY of the things said in Buddhism, It has to change. Buddha said that Truth is that what works. He did not asked his followers to believe in him because he said it.

Um, what is your point? That Buddhism is better than Christianity because it gives its followers the chance to have an open mind instead of just saying "well I don't know the answer at the moment but I'm sure someone'll give me a good way to get me out of this bind.


Of Course you need to have faith in your mentor. You can test him before choosing him as your teacher, but after you have chosen him, there should be no questioning of ways or methods. He should have your full confidence and devotion.

Says who? We should always questions those who teach us and test their ways and ask for explanations. God Lord--how does it feel to be a sheep?

BUT disproving Bible will not disprove God.

I thought you couldn't disprove the Bible?

Anyways, I agree, there is no way to disprove God. But I am curious how exactly you define God. You are making the claim about something not me. So the burden of evidence is on you. We can assume things do not exist until there is evidence given in their support.

Sikhs do not disagree with science, as it does not conflict with Sikh Scriptures or beliefs. In fact scientists are just now discovering the concepts that were written in Sikh scriptures centuries ago. Sikh Gurus told Sikhs not to smoke, do drugs or drink alcohol centuries ago. Scientists confirm that drinking alcohol, smoking and consuming drugs have harmful effects on the body.

Woah--I thought you were talking about Christianity. Anyways, how does saying don't drink, smoke, or consume drugs have anything to do with the truth of the matter? Just because they were right about some speculation they had doesn't mean that the work is infallible.

Sikhism beliefs have not been disproven by science. Global perspectives in science find its echo in the philosophy of Sikh religion, founded by Guru Nanak during the fifteenth century in India. It has some parallelism with Renaissance and reformation movements in Europe. Scientific facts support the teachings of Guru Granth Sahib. Guru Granth Sahib states that, “There are planets, solar systems and galaxies. If one speaks of them, there is no limit, no end. There are worlds upon worlds of His Creation. As He commands, so they exist. He watches over all, and contemplating the creation, He rejoices. Nanak says, to describe this is as hard as steel!” (Guru Granth Sahi, 8). Furthermore, it is stated that God created the whole universe including the earth. “You Yourself created the earth, and the two lamps of the sun and the moon” (Guru Granth Sahi,83). And, “Many millions are the moons, suns and stars” (Guru Granth Sahi, 275). Some one asked the late noble laureate Rabindera Nath Tagor: “you have written national anthem for India. Can you write international anthem for the whole world?” “It’s already written not only for international but for the entire universe in 15th century by Nanak,” replied Tagor. He rightfully referred to Aarti (ceremony of light). What can be more universal than the Aarti authored by Guru Nanak. Beyond boundaries of any religion or any country. He is recognizing: “God created humanity; God created universe including earth. (gagan mai thaal rav chand deepak banay taarikaa mandal janak moti; Upon that cosmic plate of the sky, the sun and the moon are the lamps. The stars and their orbs are the studded pearls. dhoop mal-aanlo pavan chavro karay sagal banraa-ay foolant joti; The fragrance of sandalwood in the air is the temple incense (dhoop), and the wind is the fan. All the plants of the world are the altar flowers in offering to You, O Luminous Lord. kaisee aarti ho-ay; bhav khandnaa tayree aarti; What a beautiful Aarti, lamp-lit worship service this is! O Destroyer of Fear, this is Your Ceremony of Light. SGGS, Page: 13, Lines:1- 3).

Scientists have found that there are billions of galaxies, each galaxy containing billions of starts and millions of planets revolving around those stars with millions of moons revolving around those planets. Our galaxy, the Milky Way, has approximately 200 billions stars and millions of planets from which few are known. There are billions of galaxies like ours in the universe and this is just now being realized by modern science, where as Sikh Scripture mentioned it long before its discovery.

I'm not going to waste my time addressing every single one of these.

So did the Sikhs mention anything about Quantum Mechanics? Aerodynamics? Relativity? Thermodynamics?

The examples the Sikh scripture gives is so pathetically vague it is like a horoscope--most of it is so ambiguous you could probably take it how you want.

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I have no idea where you are going with this, but why don't we start talking about how our Zodiac symbols directly show us how our life is going to turn out?



"Science must be based on religion and religion must include scientific rationality. I think that the words of Albert Einstein. 'Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind', are of even greater importance now than when he uttered them".

It's kind of ironic that this gets quoted all the time. Albert Einstein did not believe in God. At best he was a deist, who believed in Spinoza's God of harmony in nature. He never believed in any sort of personal deity.

Scientists study the creation of God and try to comprehend the mysteries of His creation. The more they learn, the more they are amazed. Some spend their entire life studying God’s creation and yet they are unable to find His limits. However, when one meditates on God, God Himself unfolds the mysteries and shows the galaxies, the stars, the deep ocean world and all of his creation.

Sikhism is basically a religion of action and human freedom.

Next time post something of substance than these psuedo-philosophical/theological ramblings. I don't mean to be an asshole, but I found absolutely nothing of worth in this post. It is chock-full of illogical thinking and crappy examples.

In John 14:5-6 Bible says, “Thomas said to Him, ‘Lord, we do not know where you are going, how do we know the way?’ Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.’” By this Jesus means, Jesus is the WAY, no one comes to God but through the way showed by Jesus. God did not send Jesus to this world as a person but as a way to reach Him. Now the way Jesus showed Christians is the same way Sikh Gurus showed to the Sikhs. Gurus are to Sikhs what Jesus is to Christians. Our paths are the same but different teachers.

Wait, wait, wait, stop right there. First off, if you're suggesting that Sikhs can get to heaven like Christians, not only do you disagree with most of your Christian brethren, but you clearly cannot take the words you just said literally.

I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.

How can Sikhs get to heaven if they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah?

It is like we both are taking physics class, one in Arkansas and the other in California. We are covering the same material but are being taught by different teachers. Jesus showed the way to meet God, this way has been described very clearly and thoroughly in Guru Granth Sahib. The way has been described in so much detail that after reading it, one knows what he has to do in order to meet God.

Careful buddy, you are walking a dangerous line which you drop you into religious liberalism. And we all know that leads to the devil...




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So...I don't know what the point of all that was,but I just realized how off topic we have gotten as far as getting to the quetion "does God exist?"

If there is a God bro I'm willing to bet he takes all good hearted people to heaven & not just christians or church goers.

Seriously.

I intend on living a good life and then dying at the end. If there is a God and he is pissed at me for not believing in him when he gave me no serious reason to believe in him then I will gladly give him the finger and take my place in hell along with a lot of other great people.

Hell, seeing as 90% of the National Academy of Science are atheists and agnostics I think I'll be in great company.

And if God is really good, he's not going to be a dick and will let me go to heaven regardless because I was a good person. It's a win-win situation either way.

I said that I admit that to me the bible contradictions are convincing proof that bible is not the word of god, Unless anyone else can prove otherwise.
Bible is not the word of god coz the prophet Jesus did not wrote or oversee the writing of bible. And since Bible was not written by Jesus, you cannot discredit Jesus as messiah.

Why? If the Bible is indeed fallible and written by humans, then why do you believe the things written in it, particularly since much of it is either unsupported by historical study or contradicted by it.


About the fallacies, I guess you are referring to miracles. I believe in miracles. Maybe science is not able to understand the miracles because it has not been able to fully understand the immense powers of Human mind and spirit. Maybe science has not yet been able to explain miracles. I mean if in fifteenth century you told anyone that someday people would be able to fly, reach the moon you would be considered mad. But today its possible. Miracles are ideas and events much ahead of time. Not everyone can perform miracles.

WTF? So Jesus walking on water was just "ahead of its time"? How ridiculous. People don't walk on water. If they ever do, they will have technology that allows them to do so. Jesus didn't have technology. He walked on water either by his own volition or by the amazing power of embellished storytelling.


And Just because you cannot explain miracles is no proof that they dont happen. Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

I'm still waiting for a contemporary example.

The scripture does NOT emphasizes on converting to a particular religion but shows the way to meet God and attain salvation insignificant of the religion one belongs to.

Actually it does (assuming you read the Bible literally).

Okay, I'll be honest, I'm confused. What exactly are you advocating? Could you please limit your response to 500 words or less?

Also, what does this have to do with the existence of God?

<<Um, what is your point? That Buddhism is better than Christianity because it gives its followers the chance to have an open mind instead of just saying "well I don't know the answer at the moment but I'm sure someone'll give me a good way to get me out of this bind.>>
Yes. And about the bind...I'm still waiting...you need to keep an open mind for all possibilities. isn't it?!?

Says who? We should always questions those who teach us and test their ways and ask for explanations. God Lord--how does it feel to be a sheep?

I was talking about faith in the Teacher is necessary coz you dont have any knowledge of the way. The teacher is supposed to show you the path he knows about and which you are ignorant. I think full obedience is the way to go. And yes sir, if you are wise in choosing the teacher, you will get all the explanations in the end.

<<Wait, wait, wait, stop right there. First off, if you're suggesting that Sikhs can get to heaven like Christians, not only do you disagree with most of your Christian brethren, but you clearly cannot take the words you just said literally.>>
I was just trying to show you that there are other religions that can explain God than Christianity. And the post about bible authors was from the net. It was meant to imply that Bible was written by many people over a long period of time and hence all the contradictions imply that its not the word of God and hence it cannot be used to disprove or discredit God. So i think that you might be using the info out of context.

<<The examples the Sikh scripture gives is so pathetically vague it is like a horoscope--most of it is so ambiguous you could probably take it how you want.>>

Yes now sometimes bible is LITERALLY Contradictory and Sometimes other Religious Books are Plainly Vague. How much more sarcasm can you show?!? Give me some instance of ambiguity. And tell me should they publish a technical paper. I mean what do you want the distances, facts and observations in the Scripture. On one hand you say bible is plain unscientific, then when you see a religion that Science cannot disprove, then its too vague for you.
As I said earlier, That you gotta have faith. It seems like you have faith that God does not exist. You cannot see the light with your eyes closed.

<<Careful buddy, you are walking a dangerous line which you drop you into religious liberalism. And we all know that leads to the devil...>>
I think that I have said in my previous posts that destinations are same even though paths might be different

<<How can Sikhs get to heaven if they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah?>>
Well the goal to be attained in Sikhism is salvation. Sikhs believe that salvation can be attained by anyone who meditates upon the name of God.


I dont want any flame wars here. I want a good discussion.

Why? If the Bible is indeed fallible and written by humans, then why do you believe the things written in it, particularly since much of it is either unsupported by historical study or contradicted by it.



WTF? So Jesus walking on water was just "ahead of its time"? How ridiculous. People don't walk on water. If they ever do, they will have technology that allows them to do so. Jesus didn't have technology. He walked on water either by his own volition or by the amazing power of embellished storytelling.



I'm still waiting for a contemporary example.



Actually it does (assuming you read the Bible literally).

How many times I have to say that I dont believe in bible. I havent read it. I was not referring to any instance in Bible as miracles ...although it could be. Also have you heard about the power of mind and spirit. It just happens that mind is one of the most powerful organs of human body about which science does not know fully. I have provided a contemporary example in a previous post abt a scientist called Vasu Bharadwaj form NASA originally from India in one of the earlier posts. I saw the guy on TV.

The scripture I was referring to was Guru Granth Sahib.

Okay, I'll be honest, I'm confused. What exactly are you advocating? Could you please limit your response to 500 words or less?

Also, what does this have to do with the existence of God?

I am implying that you cannot disprove God by disproving Bible. I posted all that stuff about Sikh Religion with same intent, that maybe that might give a different direction to the discussion. But it seems that I see that you dont seem to be impressed by that ?!? I thought that maybe you will appreciate a religion whose theories has stood the test of time and are in tune with the scientific findings. But You find Coincidences and speculations in them. I dont know see how they are vague. Its pretty clear when they say that there are a million stars and planets.

I'd like to know what your arguments are against sikhism.

www.sikhs.wellington.net.nz/Sikh_Religion.pdf check out this link

Seriously.

I intend on living a good life and then dying at the end. If there is a God and he is pissed at me for not believing in him when he gave me no serious reason to believe in him then I will gladly give him the finger and take my place in hell along with a lot of other great people.

Hell, seeing as 90% of the National Academy of Science are atheists and agnostics I think I'll be in great company.

And if God is really good, he's not going to be a dick and will let me go to heaven regardless because I was a good person. It's a win-win situation either way.

Chill dude.I was trying to appease young amamanagus.

People make out god to be evil.

Yes. And about the bind...I'm still waiting...you need to keep an open mind for all possibilities. isn't it?!?

Shouldn't we simply assume that something with no evidential basis does not exist instead of holding out hope? Or--if you want to hold out hope (because I do think hope is a good thing, though I have never felt the need to "hope" for God) the go ahead and hope, but don't try to make substantive claims concerning the world on your "hopes".

I was talking about faith in the Teacher is necessary coz you dont have any knowledge of the way. The teacher is supposed to show you the path he knows about and which you are ignorant. I think full obedience is the way to go. And yes sir, if you are wise in choosing the teacher, you will get all the explanations in the end.

While teachers are useful, you have to realize that their purpose is to synthesize information, not to produce it. As such, a teacher should not be the source of knowledge, just a valuable resource in gaining it.

I was just trying to show you that there are other religions that can explain God than Christianity. And the post about bible authors was from the net. It was meant to imply that Bible was written by many people over a long period of time and hence all the contradictions imply that its not the word of God and hence it cannot be used to disprove or discredit God. So i think that you might be using the info out of context.

Perhaps--I was starting from the assumption that you were a Biblical fundamentalist and I was addressing your comments in that framework. It was only several posts later that I realized you weren't.

I guess my question would be--why are you even referencing the Bible if you don't think it has any bearing on the existence of God?

Yes now sometimes bible is LITERALLY Contradictory and Sometimes other Religious Books are Plainly Vague. How much more sarcasm can you show?!? Give me some instance of ambiguity. And tell me should they publish a technical paper. I mean what do you want the distances, facts and observations in the Scripture.

Do you really need me to get out my Bible and find some crap that I could construe as scientifically informative? I just felt like the point was too ridiculous to address seriously.

On one hand you say bible is plain unscientific, then when you see a religion that Science cannot disprove, then its too vague for you.

I don't really understand what you are writing here--literally. I find your sentence structure confusing.

Science isn't in the business of disproving every irrational claim. Science is in the business of evaluating evidence. I think the Bible is a mythological text of the development of the Hebraic/Jewish and ultimately early Christain culture, not a science book. Do we agree?


As I said earlier, That you gotta have faith. It seems like you have faith that God does not exist. You cannot see the light with your eyes closed.

No I dismiss God because the concept is ill defined and not supported by any evidence.


I think that I have said in my previous posts that destinations are same even though paths might be different

What path would that be?

Well the goal to be attained in Sikhism is salvation. Sikhs believe that salvation can be attained by anyone who meditates upon the name of God.

What if Christians disagree with you?

I dont want any flame wars here. I want a good discussion.

Me neither. Sorry if I come off as abrasive or sarcastic, but like oddtopsy, I have found that logical arguments tend to fall on deaf ears when it comes to "the faithful".

How many times I have to say that I dont believe in bible. I havent read it. I was not referring to any instance in Bible as miracles ...although it could be.

Maybe you should. Also read about the history and attend a Bible study at a Southern Baptist of Missouri Synod Lutheran church. Let me know what you think afterwards.

A start would be: http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=6101&id=6101&d=Great+World+Religions%3A+Christianity&pc=Religion

Also have you heard about the power of mind and spirit. It just happens that mind is one of the most powerful organs of human body about which science does not know fully.

Ok....do we have to know completely how something works before we can start making predictions about it?

No doubt the mind is an amazing thing. I'm not sure where you're going with this. I really wish you would try and make connections on how this provides evidence for God. Your statements seem kind of randoms and disconnected.

I am implying that you cannot disprove God by disproving Bible.

I never said you could. I never brought up the Bible except in response to other posts. I will dispute the infallibility of the Bible, but that is all.

I posted all that stuff about Sikh Religion with same intent, that maybe that might give a different direction to the discussion. But it seems that I see that you dont seem to be impressed by that ?!?

I'm not impressed because it is in the same realm as discussion about the Bible. As you said, disproving the Bible/displaying contradictions won't disprove God. So why do you bring it up?

I thought that maybe you will appreciate a religion whose theories has stood the test of time and are in tune with the scientific findings. But You find Coincidences and speculations in them. I dont know see how they are vague. Its pretty clear when they say that there are a million stars and planets.

I have not read the texts you refer to, but here's a question you can answer for me: do you believe that there are no contradictions in the books you reference? If so, they will definitely next on my books to read.

Do you believe in horoscopes? I am a Taurus.

Here's what astrology.com says:

Have you ever stood too close to a painting or a photograph? Here you thought you were looking at a drop of rain, but when you back up, you realize it's the entire ocean. Take that perspective on your life now.

Good Lord it is so true! Honestly this stuff applies to my life. Luckily for them the reason it does is that it really applies to anyone's life, or just about. If you are vague (and you write enough, i.e. the BIble, you are bound to get something right.

Chill dude.I was trying to appease young amamanagus.

I know, I was agreeing with you.

People make out god to be evil.

If you read the Bible literally he is.

If you read the Bible literally he is.

only the old testament that is pretty much superseeded by the NT in such context.

YES

I never said you could. I never brought up the Bible except in response to other posts. I will dispute the infallibility of the Bible, but that is all.



I'm not impressed because it is in the same realm as discussion about the Bible. As you said, disproving the Bible/displaying contradictions won't disprove God. So why do you bring it up?



I have not read the texts you refer to, but here's a question you can answer for me: do you believe that there are no contradictions in the books you reference? If so, they will definitely next on my books to read.

Do you believe in horoscopes? I am a Taurus.

Here's what astrology.com says:

Have you ever stood too close to a painting or a photograph? Here you thought you were looking at a drop of rain, but when you back up, you realize it's the entire ocean. Take that perspective on your life now.

Good Lord it is so true! Honestly this stuff applies to my life. Luckily for them the reason it does is that it really applies to anyone's life, or just about. If you are vague (and you write enough, i.e. the BIble, you are bound to get something right.

Well, I will answer some of the stuff you asked coz its getting late and I need to get some sleep. So I will answer some of the stuff I asked.

Frankly I havent given much thought to astrology, So my views are unclear.
I do believe in Horoscopes. I dont refer to them. Every event in the Universe will have effect on you(Even though I dont know anything about Astrology, I mean I havent studied it.)(So it might be reflected in stars or your hands.) It is true that your hands reflect the destiny, BUT there's a thing more relevant than that. KARMA.

Karma makes sure that your action wont go unrewarded. You will reap the fruits of the seeds you sow(I find the concept very scientific! Id like to know wat is your opinion, Do consider that I believe in Rebirth.)

About the Scripture Guru Granth Sahib, I can assure you that it does not contradict the modern day science. But I doubt that you would be able to read it because its in Gurmukhi Script.

Read that pdf file for a start. I will think about the other stuff you said and answer tomorrow.

<<Luckily for them the reason it does is that it really applies to anyone's life, or just about. If you are vague (and you write enough, i.e. the BIble, you are bound to get something right.>> I dont really understand what you mean here. Could you elaborate?

I do believe in Horoscopes.

Ok, nevermind, I'm not interested in talking to you. If you are dumb enough to convinced by horoscopes then I would be very angry at your parents and your public education system.

You do realize that horoscopes are written to be intentionally vague so that anyone can look at them and see something that applies to their life? It's call a confirmation bias man.

I'm sorry, but your problem transcends anything that could possibly addressed on this forum. I'm seriously not being a dick or sarcastic. I'm disappointed in our education system. You should know better.


Read that pdf file for a start. I will think about the other stuff you said and answer tomorrow.

Have you read the pdf? Please distill what you think are the best arguments. I think I have already written more than my share addressing your often random arguments.

I dont really understand what you mean here. Could you elaborate?

If you write something vague, you can construe it as a lot of stuff. If you write a lot, something is bound to be right. These statements could not possibly be construed as scientific. They are as obscenely vague as can be.

I'm sure I could look through some Greek mythology and try to claim it suggested something about quantum mechanics. :rolleyes:

This is so funny to me that people try to discredit the truth of God (Yahweh). It's funny 'cause no one ever says Allah doesn't exist or always saying oh Jesus isn't real or wasn't who he said he was but no one would ever say that about buddah whom people claim reincarnates into other people every so often. No it is always the God of the isrealites the one whose Son came to save the world. I say this is funny because amidst all these things Jesus spoke about them all: Fake prophets, climate changes, people not believing in Him or God. All these things are in the bible if you look for them. People will even say well a lot of what's in the bible other religions claim it also, and that's true but you have to see where they got it from. They got it right from the old testament but twisted the words to fit their needs. Look at the Kuran and it says the same things as the old testament except for a few choice words they decided to change. Same thing goes for Jehova's witness they claimed the bible is flawed and only their remake is right. Unlike any other religion in the world the Christian faith is the only one to make the statement that Christ raised from the dead after dying for our sins. Buddha we know dided and wasn't resurrected that's why buddhist claim re-incarantion, Mohammed also died and is burried. Don't believe do searches and you'll see. Christ was the only one to make claim that he was the Son Of God and by many accounts of believers and skepticals we know that the did many of the things he did. Just as much as he said that he would be denied to being Son of God, we can see that today, he also said that many will come in his name and decieve, we've also seen this ex: David Karesh, Heaven's Gate, etc...

So if you want to speak about something do your homework please, and I don't say this trying to sound arrogant or know it all. If you want to have a discussion please know the facts not just bits and pieces.

i believe so

This is so funny to me that people try to discredit the truth of God (Yahweh). It's funny 'cause no one ever says Allah doesn't exist or always saying oh Jesus isn't real or wasn't who he said he was but no one would ever say that about buddah whom people claim reincarnates into other people every so often. No it is always the God of the isrealites the one whose Son came to save the world. I say this is funny because amidst all these things Jesus spoke about them all: Fake prophets, climate changes, people not believing in Him or God. All these things are in the bible if you look for them. People will even say well a lot of what's in the bible other religions claim it also, and that's true but you have to see where they got it from. They got it right from the old testament but twisted the words to fit their needs. Look at the Kuran and it says the same things as the old testament except for a few choice words they decided to change. Same thing goes for Jehova's witness they claimed the bible is flawed and only their remake is right. Unlike any other religion in the world the Christian faith is the only one to make the statement that Christ raised from the dead after dying for our sins. Buddha we know dided and wasn't resurrected that's why buddhist claim re-incarantion, Mohammed also died and is burried. Don't believe do searches and you'll see. Christ was the only one to make claim that he was the Son Of God and by many accounts of believers and skepticals we know that the did many of the things he did. Just as much as he said that he would be denied to being Son of God, we can see that today, he also said that many will come in his name and decieve, we've also seen this ex: David Karesh, Heaven's Gate, etc...

So if you want to speak about something do your homework please, and I don't say this trying to sound arrogant or know it all. If you want to have a discussion please know the facts not just bits and pieces.

Ahh... the irony.

Irony of what? my brother.

This is so funny to me that people try to discredit the truth of God (Yahweh). It's funny 'cause no one ever says Allah doesn't exist or always saying oh Jesus isn't real or wasn't who he said he was but no one would ever say that about buddah whom people claim reincarnates into other people every so often. No it is always the God of the isrealites the one whose Son came to save the world. I say this is funny because amidst all these things Jesus spoke about them all: Fake prophets, climate changes, people not believing in Him or God. All these things are in the bible if you look for them. People will even say well a lot of what's in the bible other religions claim it also, and that's true but you have to see where they got it from. They got it right from the old testament but twisted the words to fit their needs. Look at the Kuran and it says the same things as the old testament except for a few choice words they decided to change. Same thing goes for Jehova's witness they claimed the bible is flawed and only their remake is right. Unlike any other religion in the world the Christian faith is the only one to make the statement that Christ raised from the dead after dying for our sins. Buddha we know dided and wasn't resurrected that's why buddhist claim re-incarantion, Mohammed also died and is burried. Don't believe do searches and you'll see. Christ was the only one to make claim that he was the Son Of God and by many accounts of believers and skepticals we know that the did many of the things he did. Just as much as he said that he would be denied to being Son of God, we can see that today, he also said that many will come in his name and decieve, we've also seen this ex: David Karesh, Heaven's Gate, etc...

So if you want to speak about something do your homework please, and I don't say this trying to sound arrogant or know it all. If you want to have a discussion please know the facts not just bits and pieces.

i'm not a christian but usually the people who don't believe in god also don't believe in reincarnation, buddah, or any other religion

allah=yahweh=the father of jebus muhammed said he was the third prophet jesus and moses were the first two... in islam it goes torah then christian new testament then karan

also buddhism has been around waaaaaaaaay before the old testament was written.... actually they can't find when buddhism started they keep guesstimating but it seems to have always been around in the eastern cultures or at least some variation of it

Is there a God? When you discover that's as valid a question as 'is there a flying spaghetti monster/or Zeus/or Poseidon/or Lincoln's ghost/or an omnipotent spirit named Yarbles?' then you'll discover what a waste of time it is.

Whether God exists or not will not be answered by obscure holy texts, barely decipherable prophets whose words have been interpreted by lunatics, think tanks that try to couch their dogma in the language of science and failing miserably at it, and theologians doing a third-rate impression of the philosopher. It'll be answered by the individual. And given the lack of evidence, I'd say the best choice is considering that most people regardless of their religious persuasion get along just fine without God, it to move on with your life. Because you sure as hell won't find out the answer to that question in this lifetime.

Irony of what? my brother.

Would it be possible to distill that enormous burst of rhetorical BS into a few concise sentences please. I almost got a headache hearing all of the canned religious nonsense. Do you have a point in any of what you said?

nope

there is if you want there be one (or more)

50 50 chance.

keep jesus in reserve.

Theres no 50/50 about it.Jesus says that there is no lukewarm[meaning you believe or you don't]those who are lukewarm,or 'on the fence' will be condemned to hell.
Hell won't be so bad though,most of the cool people I know will be there so we'll be in good company.
Jesus is & the bible is delusional nonsense.

that stuff is to much to read. its not hard to believe in God. the evidence?, look what your standing on. even militant atheist like richard dawkins admit things "appear" to be designed but shrugs it off as a "dilution". there is a God and He created everything

that stuff is to much to read. its not hard to believe in God. the evidence?, look what your standing on. even militant atheist like richard dawkins admit things "appear" to be designed but shrugs it off as a "dilution". there is a God and He created everything

The fact that you cannot muster the effort to learn how to spell delusion does not lend much credibility to any argument you might make. Or you could have actually meant dilution, in which case I would fear for your capacity to hold a job in the near future.

Dawkins does not shrug off design in the world, he attributes it, and rightly so, to natural selection.

from what we know of recorded history. many culters have had a concept of a god /or gods.
One of the ten comandments state that 'thou shall not put any other god before me', So what happened to all those gods whose cults have fallen out of fashion?
http://biblia.com/wit/norse-gods.gif
The subconcious need for an ultimate patriarch seems universal in our species

GOD posts here all the time. Of course he's real..

of course there is!

I don't know

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/14gqYCsCj4jrE57au

Theres no 50/50 about it.Jesus says that there is no lukewarm[meaning you believe or you don't]those who are lukewarm,or 'on the fence' will be condemned to hell.
Hell won't be so bad though,most of the cool people I know will be there so we'll be in good company.
Jesus is & the bible is delusional nonsense.

lol totally true. i know ill get some bad ass autographs in hell.

p.s id totally rep you if you revealed the identity of your avatar:gojerkit::sifone:

Is there a God? When you discover that's as valid a question as 'is there a flying spaghetti monster/or Zeus/or Poseidon/or Lincoln's ghost/or an omnipotent spirit named Yarbles?' then you'll discover what a waste of time it is.

Great post!

i think of it this way ...... if god existed and he wanted us to believe in him so badly... then our brains would have been designed to believe in him and only 1 god......... sadly....


there is no god.

^^^ Bullshit

Einstein believed in god... just not your "on paper" god,


*This is from the Colbert Report

SC: Did he believe in god ?

He didn't believe in a personal god, not a god that you could pray to in the sense that "can you help me god !?" But he believe in a god that was a spirt, who manifested in the laws of the universe, and that we have to be humbled and awed by it. And in the face of that, he accepted it as his cosmic religion and personal sense of god

SC: But doesn't science try to pick apart god ?

He wrote a really good essay called "Science and Religion" where he expressed science without religion is lame, and religions with out science is blind"

SC: So he was of the, we can explain everything in existence approach, but why is there something from nothing ?

Exactly, he said theirs a mystery thats behind it all, and our limited imaginations cant fathom it. No matter how much our laws may explain about the workings of the universe

i think of it this way ...... if god existed and he wanted us to believe in him so badly... then our brains would have been designed to believe in him and only 1 god......... sadly....


there is no god.

Yup.If he was definite u'd think he would gives us some kind of profound proof of his existence.A 3rd hand story full of inconsistencies & contradictions from 2000 yrs ago isn't quite the proof that satisfies the average thinking person.

what the fuck are you two talking about ?

the proof is mother fucking existence !!! reality my friends, it's underrated


don't even bring the bible up as "proof" of god.....

:vomitbig:

ps....


.:catfight:

I'm not being critical or anything but what is the significance of believing in God based on creation alone?

I'm not being critical or anything but what is the significance of believing in God based on creation alone?

read my Einstein quote from the Colbert show

what the fuck are you two talking about ?

the proof is mother fucking existence !!! reality my friends, it's underrated


don't even bring the bible up as "proof" of god.....

:vomitbig:

So if our existence is proof of God's existence then God's existence must be proof of an even greater beings existence and that must be proof of an even greater beings existence and so on. Right?

With this infinite regression how did existence of the intial being ever come into existence? And how would that be any different then everything coming into existence without a God?

Yup.If he was definite u'd think he would gives us some kind of profound proof of his existence.A 3rd hand story full of inconsistencies & contradictions from 2000 yrs ago isn't quite the proof that satisfies the average thinking person.

Jimmy is smart why arent you? yer gonna bring up albert.... he obviously wasn't that smart if he believed in god.

the word athiest in greek means knowledge.

the word athiest in greek means knowledge.

Thats interesting,I didn't know that.
It actually takes some inquiry of religion & its opposing views to arrive to a conclusion that would classify you as atheist.
Religion however only requires faith & following the authority of the hierarchy & scriptures.Theres no inquiry as to the validity because the follower is taught to just believe & never doubt.The road has already been mapped,theres no need to question anything,just believe & have faith & eternal life is yours.

Sometimes atheists have the same attitude & arrogance of religous zealots because they feel that their beliefs are supported by the knowledge gained by objecive inquiry & not merely faith.Therefore they believe their understanding is definitely more valid.This in turn gives a feeling of having superiority over the 'believers'which again can lead to arrogance.

So I think its best to just retain a humble attitude & keep what know to urself ,rather than try & prove the 'believers' wrong.Even if u do prove their beliefs are fantasy they probably won't hear u anyway, because they don't want to.

thats why i say fuck you.

no

but maybe yes

the word 'gnosis' is greek for 'knowledge'. atheism = without theism

Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world? — Epicurus, as quoted in 2000 Years of Disbelief

sounds like too much contradictions for my taste.

Thats interesting,I didn't know that.

Come on man...atheist? Greek for knowledge? Just think about it--

theos (is in theologian, theocracy, theology, etc.) means God divine, etc.

a is a negating prefix.


Either he's retarded or he's pulling your leg (I think it is the second.

I think you should all kill yourselfs

I think you should all kill yourselfs


*blushes

Come on man...atheist? Greek for knowledge? Just think about it--

theos (is in theologian, theocracy, theology, etc.) means God divine, etc.

a is a negating prefix.


Either he's retarded or he's pulling your leg (I think it is the second.

u see people think I'm smart, but im really not.
I am an atheist but technically I'm agnostic,if that makes sense.

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Wanting there to be a god is wanting to be a slave, and no free person can want that.

Wanting there to be a god is wanting to be a slave, and no free person can want that.

Thats the irony of religion, a neccessity to be governed in order to be totally free.

Complete supervision from the cradle to the grave and beyond is more than ironic.

Cook the man some fucking eggs!!!

Excuse me, but God is a very loose term and can mean different things to different people. I'll asume you mean the Christian interpretation, meaning a superior being with no limit to what it can do but yet still has a trane of thought similar to humans and has emotions like us and gets happy as well as angry sometimes and we can talk to him like we do anyone else. I don't believe that. We are naturally arrogant beings believing that our God is similar to a human.
A God does exist. Some kind of force in the universe is responsible for the creation of our world. It is undeniable that our world is ultimately under the control of an incredibly strong force that nothing can escape or avoid. It is the force of life and balance. Life always balances itself out, whether we like it or not and life always continues no matter what we do. The proof of God is right in front of our faces every day. Look at the trees and smell the clean air tomorrow. This world could not be an accident. It was meant to be, but I believe God is not just a buddy we talk to every once in a while. God is a force and our creator and we are all connected to him. You don't have to explain anything to him, because he really only cares about how you are feeling. I don't think we can relate to him using language but rather through our emotions feelings. We can feel his love and we know that that is all we need to know.

Excuse me, but God is a very loose term and can mean different things to different people. I'll asume you mean the Christian interpretation, meaning a superior being with no limit to what it can do but yet still has a trane of thought similar to humans and has emotions like us and gets happy as well as angry sometimes and we can talk to him like we do anyone else. I don't believe that. We are naturally arrogant beings believing that our God is similar to a human.
A God does exist. Some kind of force in the universe is responsible for the creation of our world. It is undeniable that our world is ultimately under the control of an incredibly strong force that nothing can escape or avoid. It is the force of life and balance. Life always balances itself out, whether we like it or not and life always continues no matter what we do. The proof of God is right in front of our faces every day. Look at the trees and smell the clean air tomorrow. This world could not be an accident. It was meant to be, but I believe God is not just a buddy we talk to every once in a while. God is a force and our creator and we are all connected to him. You don't have to explain anything to him, because he really only cares about how you are feeling. I don't think we can relate to him using language but rather through our emotions feelings. We can feel his love and we know that that is all we need to know.

Excuse me, but God is a very loose term and can mean different things to different people. I'll asume you mean the Christian interpretation, meaning a superior being with no limit to what it can do but yet still has a trane of thought similar to humans and has emotions like us and gets happy as well as angry sometimes and we can talk to him like we do anyone else. I don't believe that. We are naturally arrogant beings believing that our God is similar to a human.
A God does exist. Some kind of force in the universe is responsible for the creation of our world. It is undeniable that our world is ultimately under the control of an incredibly strong force that nothing can escape or avoid. It is the force of life and balance. Life always balances itself out, whether we like it or not and life always continues no matter what we do. The proof of God is right in front of our faces every day. Look at the trees and smell the clean air tomorrow. This world could not be an accident. It was meant to be, but I believe God is not just a buddy we talk to every once in a while. God is a force and our creator and we are all connected to him. You don't have to explain anything to him, because he really only cares about how you are feeling. I don't think we can relate to him using language but rather through our emotions feelings. We can feel his love and we know that that is all we need to know.

God does not exist, the concept of a higher being is for the frightened and weak willed people that live there life for tomorrow instead of doing the things that will make them happy with the small amount of time that we actually have.

God does not exist, the concept of a higher being is for the frightened and weak willed people that live there life for tomorrow instead of doing the things that will make them happy with the small amount of time that we actually have.

Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm with you in that I don't believe a God in the traditional sense exists. What I'm saying is that, anything or any reason for why we are here is considered a God. The force that keeps the universe in balance is our God, no matter how you want to describe it. There is a force or reason that is responsible for maintaining our existence whether it is intelligent to us or not. So no matter if we can ever communicate verbally to it. We owe this force all of our gratitude.

Its mostly the weak & unconfident who find contentment in the concept that someone all knowing & benevolent is controlling their destiny & well being.All they have to do is ask for help & its there.

I don't know if believing in a God means one is weak. Some are for sure but not all I think. The fact is, nobody knows for sure, so lets not forget to focus on the things we do know for sure. I always love the topic though. Thanks.

No

You don't have to explain anything to him, because he really only cares about how you are feeling. I don't think we can relate to him using language but rather through our emotions feelings. We can feel his love and we know that that is all we need to know.

Up until this point you seemed to be talking about God in a metaphorical sense, but now you are making him out to be similar to the Christian God with "caring about how we feel" and "feeling his love" statements. What would give you the idea that he does care about how we feel or loves us? Also, why couldn't the world have been "an accident" as you put it?

Originally Posted by thrice
You don't have to explain anything to him, because he really only cares about how you are feeling. I don't think we can relate to him using language but rather through our emotions feelings. We can feel his love and we know that that is all we need to know.

You may well feel something,a comfort or warm glow,calm or peace.But whether this feeling of comfort is the direct result of Gods love or rather a chemical reaction in the brain that results from a shift in focus & way of thought is without doubt debatable.

Is there a God?
Yeah I'm here once or twice a day. :)
I'm kidding. Something has to be responsible for all this shit we put up with on a daily basis. I'm not sure if a simple random explosion is the guilty party.

There is a god.

ricksonbyarmbar

There is a god.

There isn't a god.

There I fixed it for you. No need to thank me just doing my job.

i believe there is a GOD

There is a God, it is Jesus Christ the Alpha and the Omega

There is a God, it is Jesus Christ the Alpha and the Omega

I wonder had you been brought up in a different place or time if you would hold the same view. Had you been brought up in Pakistan, would you believe Jesus was merely an important figure and that Allah was the one true God? Or in India would you subscribe to the Hindu gods of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva?

I am a steadfast atheist only because I have scruntinized my own beliefs so harshly and found them to fall apart until I arrived where I am now. Given new evidence or arguments I would gladly change my view. I only hope that some on the other side of the coin might be willing to do the same.

A God does exist. Some kind of force in the universe is responsible for the creation of our world.

If God is the thing that created the world, then what created God?

And don't say that God always existed. I could just as easily retort that the world always existed.

Get Comfortable Being Uncomfortable

There is a God, it is *Rickson Gracie the Alpha and the Omega

*fixed

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