Favorite Bible Quotes

[theragingbull]

I had a semester of Bib. Lit last year (requirement) and here's what I came up with.

Pslam 144: 1, "Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."

Psalm 30:5, "For His anger is but for a moment, His favor is for a lifetime; Weeping may last for the night, But a shout of joy comes in the morning."

Leviticus 19:33, "When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself..."

And just for kicks: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
Ezekiel 25:17 mixed with Revelations and The Lord is My Shepherd as spoken by Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction

[CHE]

spirituality and philosophy forum bro

[Resin]

i am the alpha and the omega

i want that tatted on me.

[dragonfly]

Proverbs 10:12, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, Isaiah 54:14, Psalm 23, Psalm 71, Jeremiah 31:34, Luke 6:37, Luke 23:34, 2 Samuel 22:2-4, & Revelation 6:1-17...

[Lord Krishna]

I just whooped your ass - Austin 3:16

[theragingbull]

I just whooped your ass - Austin 3:16

I cut my bible up so it holds a tallboy secretely.

[SmokinGunz]

I just whooped your ass - Austin 3:16

hahahaha...:owned:

[nakedrear]

1 Corinthians 13:12 (King James Version)

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."



I'm not a Christian, but I am familiar with the Bible, and there are some beautiful passages when it occasionally stumbles on the truth.

I take this one to mean that there is a fog of illusion hiding our divine nature from each other and ourselves. But there will come a time, presumably when we are enlightened, when that fog will be stripped away. In other words, we will see ourselves as God sees us.

I interpret this in an entirely mystical sense, having nothing to do with the Western vision of God.

[Jim]

Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
Mark Twain

[Jim]

“The meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”


It'll b interesting to c see how long the meek can keep the earth after they inherit it!

[dragonfly]

Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
Mark Twain
nice one

[jetjaguar]

I use my favorite verse(from my brail bible) sand the calluses on my feet

[Filmore]

I just whooped your ass - Austin 3:16

That's not funny at all you should be ashamed for saying that. Now go kill yourself.

Samuel has a bunch of good verses. But I like Deuteronomy 13.6

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly…Thou shalt not consent."

[meepins]

"They warred against Midian, as God commanded Moses, and killed every male. They killed the kings of Midian ... And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire." (Numbers 31:7) (http://www.awitness.org/biblehtm/nu/nu31.htm#nu_31_7)

"Moses was enraged with the officers of the army ... ‘So you spared the women! ... Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse with a man, but keep the virgins for yourselves ... divide them up evenly.'" (Numbers 31:15) (http://www.awitness.org/biblehtm/nu/nu31.htm#nu_31_15)

Pretty much sums up what a worthless rag the 'good book' is.
It advocates genocide, slavery, murder, rape and so on.

[lancaster]

Thanks, meepins. Repped for the cool quote.

[MildernhardPark]

“The meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”


It'll b interesting to c see how long the meek can keep the earth after they inherit it!

Agreed!!

I Also Like Psalms 23... Very Comforting...

[twinmatrix101]

I'm sorry but it was to easy I had to post it. :grin:

http://www.gdargaud.net/Humor/Pics/Bible.jpg

[harajyuks]

ye though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death

[xcept68]

Rev 21:4

[lancaster]

2 Kings 2:23-25

23 Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a group of boys from the town began mocking and making fun of him. “Go away, baldy!” they chanted. “Go away, baldy!” 24 Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them. 25 From there Elisha went to Mount Carmel and finally returned to Samaria.

[Lord Krishna]

2 Kings 2:23-25

23 Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a group of boys from the town began mocking and making fun of him. “Go away, baldy!” they chanted. “Go away, baldy!” 24 Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them. 25 From there Elisha went to Mount Carmel and finally returned to Samaria.

wtf?? a group of 42 boys???!!!!

[xcept68]

2 Kings 2:23-25

23 Elisha left Jericho and went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, a group of boys from the town began mocking and making fun of him. “Go away, baldy!” they chanted. “Go away, baldy!” 24 Elisha turned around and looked at them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of them. 25 From there Elisha went to Mount Carmel and finally returned to Samaria.

Here's some older information on the true translation of the verses. Don't fall into the same trap as the ones being cursed in that verse. :wah:

The Meaning Given To It: "There are some gnawing common-sense misgivings about Scripture:... Readers have been scandalized by a horrible incident in 2 Kings that tells how the prophet Elisha was taunted for his baldness by a group of youngsters. The prophet cursed the boys 'in the name of the Lord,' whereupon two bears came out of the woods and tore them apart."-----Time Magazine, Dec. 30, 1974

The Context: When we put this incident in its context and look a bit closer at the text and do a little word study it is not the "horrible incident" that the author of this article thinks it is. This story takes place in the area of Bethel which at one time had been called "the house of God", Gen. 28:16-19, but later had it's name changed to "house of vanity", Hos. 10:5. Read 1 Kings 12:25-33 for the background of the apostasy of this city.

Several terms need some definition and clarification if we are going to deal honestly with this text.

"Little children" is variously translated "babe, boy, child, lad, servant, young man, youth." It also describes soldiers, 1 Kings 20:14; and Absalom, 2 Samuel 14:21; 18:5. The context must determine which meaning should be assigned to the word. The context favors assigning an age reflecting some level of "maturity", not mere irresponsible little children, because of their use of words of contempt ("baldhead").

"Mocked" is more than just "taunting": "The root denotes the scornful belittling issuing from an attitude which counts as valueless that which is of real value." Theological Wordbook Of The Old Testament, vol. 2, p. 801

"Baldhead" is no reference to the mere loss of hair. "In general, to make bald the head was a sign of dishonor and disgrace (Isa. 3:17; 15:27), and baldness was also a mark of leprosy (Lev. 13:43). 'Bald head' is, therefore, a disgraceful epithet which refers... to the calling of Elisha as a man of God and prophet; he is thereby designated as one who is the opposite of that which he pretends to be and appears to be, as an expelled and impure person." Lange's Commentary, vol. 3.

"Cursed". To "curse" is to express one's light esteem for another, to vilify or revile, and is the opposite of "bless" (see Prov. 30:17). It does not necessarily mean "to cuss" or use profanity; again, context must determine what is meant.

The Meaning: To put it simply, here's what likely happened given the context: A group of unholy and irreverent young men came out of Bethel to meet Elisha and expressed their contempt for him and all that he prophesied and stood for---including the God of Heaven. The consequence of such was swift and sure punishment by God.

[Lord Krishna]

what about the bears? what do they stand for?

[Blunt Object]

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

[dragonfly]

Proverbs 10:12, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13, Isaiah 54:14, Psalm 23, Psalm 71, Jeremiah 31:34, Luke 6:37, Luke 23:34, 2 Samuel 22:2-4, & Revelation 6:1-17...
Proverbs 10:12 [niv]

Hatred stirs up dissension,
but love covers over all wrongs.

Isaiah 54:14 [niv]

In righteousness you will be established:
Tyranny will be far from you;
you will have nothing to fear.
Terror will be far removed;
it will not come near you.

Psalm 23 [niv]

The LORD is my shepherd,
I shall not be in want.

He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,

he restores my soul.
He guides me in paths of righteousness
for his name's sake.

Even though I walk
through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.

You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.

Surely goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
forever.

Psalm 71 [niv]

In you, O LORD, I have taken refuge;
let me never be put to shame.

Rescue me and deliver me in your righteousness;
turn your ear to me and save me.

Be my rock of refuge,
to which I can always go;
give the command to save me,
for you are my rock and my fortress.

Deliver me, O my God, from the hand of the wicked,
from the grasp of evil and cruel men.

For you have been my hope, O Sovereign LORD,
my confidence since my youth.

From birth I have relied on you;
you brought me forth from my mother's womb.
I will ever praise you.

I have become like a portent to many,
but you are my strong refuge.

My mouth is filled with your praise,
declaring your splendor all day long.

Do not cast me away when I am old;
do not forsake me when my strength is gone.

For my enemies speak against me;
those who wait to kill me conspire together.

They say, "God has forsaken him;
pursue him and seize him,
for no one will rescue him."

Be not far from me, O God;
come quickly, O my God, to help me.

May my accusers perish in shame;
may those who want to harm me
be covered with scorn and disgrace.

But as for me, I will always have hope;
I will praise you more and more.

My mouth will tell of your righteousness,
of your salvation all day long,
though I know not its measure.

I will come and proclaim your mighty acts, O Sovereign LORD;
I will proclaim your righteousness, yours alone.

Since my youth, O God, you have taught me,
and to this day I declare your marvelous deeds.

Even when I am old and gray,
do not forsake me, O God,
till I declare your power to the next generation,
your might to all who are to come.

Your righteousness reaches to the skies, O God,
you who have done great things.
Who, O God, is like you?

Though you have made me see troubles, many and bitter,
you will restore my life again;
from the depths of the earth
you will again bring me up.

You will increase my honor
and comfort me once again.

I will praise you with the harp
for your faithfulness, O my God;
I will sing praise to you with the lyre,
O Holy One of Israel.

My lips will shout for joy
when I sing praise to you—
I, whom you have redeemed.

My tongue will tell of your righteous acts
all day long,
for those who wanted to harm me
have been put to shame and confusion.

Jeremiah 31:34 [niv]

No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."

Luke 6:37 [niv]

"Do not judge,
and you will not be judged.
Do not condemn,
and you will not be condemned.
Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke 23:34 [niv]

Jesus said,
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

2 Samuel 22:2-4 [niv]

He said:
"The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer;

my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge,
my shield and the horn of my salvation.
He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior—
from violent men you save me.

I call to the LORD, who is worthy of praise,
and I am saved from my enemies.

[xcept68]

what about the bears? what do they stand for?

The bears were probably real bears and they likely kicked everyone's asses for talking trash about God's top prophet. That's what it looks like in the story. And yeah they were likely 42 young soldiers, could have easily been 14-25 years old. I mean since when have you seen a group of 42 kids together anywhere unless they are on a school field trip? As you can tell I'm making light of this verse as well.

[deegs]

what about the bears? what do they stand for?

LOL!

[lancaster]

The Meaning: To put it simply, here's what likely happened given the context: A group of unholy and irreverent young men came out of Bethel to meet Elisha and expressed their contempt for him and all that he prophesied and stood for---including the God of Heaven. The consequence of such was swift and sure punishment by God.

If that's the meaning, then why doesn't it (the bible) say that? I just looked through about 6 different translations and they are all pretty much the same as my original post.

This misreading the bible is a fun game, I want to play too. Now when Jesus said "love thy neighbour", if you look at the ancient greek and take into account the societal norms of the day he really meant "anally penetrate your neighbour".

So xcept68, have you been a good Christian today and obeyed your lord?

[lancaster]

what about the bears? what do they stand for?

That's a typo. It was supposed to say beers. The true meaning is that God gave everyone a beer and they all lived happily ever after.

[beetsh]

fucking quality lancaster!! lmfao!

[oddtopsy]

"just let me put the tip in"
-jesus

[dragonfly]

jus let you put the head in!!!

[xcept68]

Interesting. I walked into a grade school discussion.

[dragonfly]

idk what made me post in this thread, i usually dont, esp where my belief structure is concerned & for good reason...

[dragonfly]

ill leave it to you all

[beetsh]

Interesting. I walked into a grade school discussion.

uptight little god squad fuck

[xcept68]

It's cool. I don't hate you. Sorry if I'm interfering with your hobby. I mean at a rate of over 1000 posts per month you must be too busy to be in this room posting and worrying about myself.. right?

Well maybe this IS how you got those 1000 posts per month going...

[lancaster]

xcept68, are you a Christian? I mean a true Christian.

Mark 16:17-18:
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[beetsh]

It's cool. I don't hate you. Sorry if I'm interfering with your hobby. I mean at a rate of over 1000 posts per month you must be too busy to be in this room posting and worrying about myself.. right?

Well maybe this IS how you got those 1000 posts per month going...

oh no the classic postcount attack.

be more creative god boy

[xcept68]

oh no the classic postcount attack.

be more creative god boy

must really bother you or you must get called on it alot, since it actually upset you.

[xcept68]

xcept68, are you a Christian? I mean a true Christian.

Mark 16:17-18:
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Pics or it didn't happen.

I'm pretty certain that if I got bit by a serpent God would protect me from dying by allowing me to reach the nearest medical facility in time. The one thing I'm not sure about is how you can google Bible tidbits then expect that because you read them wrong it's anything but laughable. You are showing your mere lack of literary understanding. That my friend has nothing to do with religion, but your intelligence.

Why don't you put up a pic of your last report card and give us all a laugh.

[beetsh]

i cried for a good five minutes over your cutting attack. but i have reflected on it and i have now found jesus. i expect to be signed up to the priesthood and abusing young boys in the very near future.

[xcept68]

i cried for a good five minutes over your cutting attack. but i have reflected on it and i have now found jesus. i expect to be signed up to the priesthood and abusing young boys in the very near future.

Great to hear. Sorry that I hurt your feelings so. However I don't think I can take you too seriously, since you still have a female's bald beaver on your sig... shouldn't you have a young boy on there???

[xcept68]

I'm just messin around with you. I can take a joke and a good ribbing. I hope you can too. We will all get along better knowing you can harrass each other once in a while.

[lancaster]

I'm pretty certain that if I got bit by a serpent God would protect me from dying by allowing me to reach the nearest medical facility in time. The one thing I'm not sure about is how you can google Bible tidbits then expect that because you read them wrong it's anything but laughable. You are showing your mere lack of literary understanding. That my friend has nothing to do with religion, but your intelligence.

Why don't you put up a pic of your last report card and give us all a laugh.

ZOMG ad hominem FTW!!!11

Okay, xcept68 lets drop the insults and have an intelligent discussion. No I haven't read the entire bible though I have read about half, so I'm quite willing to discuss with you. What is your view on the bible? You're not a literalist. Is the bible a work of god / work of man. How much is literal and how much is parable? Tell us your beliefs.

FYI I was raised Christian (non denominational), and began studying the bible and thinking for myself after becoming confused at the hypocrisy of other well respected Christians. My conclusion is that the bible is just a confused collection of ancient writings that have no relevance to life today.

[Leftcard]

I think the words of the bible have to do alot with life today :(

[xcept68]

ZOMG ad hominem FTW!!!11

Okay, xcept68 lets drop the insults and have an intelligent discussion. No I haven't read the entire bible though
I have only recently been reading on a regular basis, but I am very good at finding things that I need to when I need them. I have read from Gen, to Psalms straight through within a year. Makes more sense when everything is in complete context of having the history in order.

I have read about half, so I'm quite willing to discuss with you. What is your view on the bible? You're not a literalist. Is the bible a work of god / work of man. How much is literal and how much is parable? Tell us your beliefs.

I beleive, based upon the amount of my own understanding that the Bible is completely accurate, divinely inspired, and inerrant. Lets look at Genesis first. Moses spoke directly to God. This would have assured that Moses would have written everything down accurately. As well as everyone all the way up to the Prophets. God didn't speak to man for 400 years, then the prophets were given prophecies. Then Christ came and that's all the new testament. So where do you think there could be a problem with the Bible?

FYI I was raised Christian (non denominational), and began studying the bible and thinking for myself after becoming confused at the hypocrisy of other well respected Christians. My conclusion is that the bible is just a confused collection of ancient writings that have no relevance to life today.

other well respected Christians, are all fallen men. People are flesh, we are all in sin. A Christian man is not perfect, just forgiven. So there is no relevance for today? okay. Lets say Exodus... 10 commandments. Relevant? Adultery? Steal? Murder? Most of the Proverbs.

Okay. there are much deeper things in the Bible. The Bible tells you the nature of men. Your purpose, why the world is how it is. What will ultimately happen.

Anyways, I have quite a headache from allergies and trying to stay up last night watching toothless Dan get spanked.

[Leftcard]

Very well said xcept68.

[deegs]

a christian man is forgiven, huh?

i hate that shit. there's nothing wrong with me. the fact that being born is a sin is ridiculous to me and it makes me laugh that the only way you can be helped is through the church.....for a price.

[deegs]

religion is man-made bullshit. a crutch. if you need it, use it. it's simply a tool used by smart men to control dumb men. smart men use it when they want to draw any sort of emotion from you. they can start wars, send you to heaven or hell, make you give them your hard earned money, and then let the dumb men thank them at the end.

[lancaster]

I beleive, based upon the amount of my own understanding that the Bible is completely accurate, divinely inspired, and inerrant.

What if the you found something in the bible that wasn't completely accurate. I mean something major like say (making up an example) "God says that all women have 2 heads, 6 fingers and can read your mind". If it was something like that which you could easily see was false, would you still believe the bible and be a Christian? Is so, then why?

Okay. there are much deeper things in the Bible. The Bible tells you the nature of men. Your purpose, why the world is how it is. What will ultimately happen.

The Koran also does this Why are you Christian and not Islamic?

[xcept68]

a christian man is forgiven, huh?

i hate that shit. there's nothing wrong with me. the fact that being born is a sin is ridiculous to me and it makes me laugh that the only way you can be helped is through the church.....for a price.

okay, but why do you think that you hate that? That's a pretty strong word. You do not have to go to Church to be helped, because Christ is the church. So this means you can ask Christ into your heart and be forgiven right where you stand...even now. He already paid the price for you. The admission is just to let Christ in.

[xcept68]

What if the you found something in the bible that wasn't completely accurate. I mean something major like say (making up an example) "God says that all women have 2 heads, 6 fingers and can read your mind". If it was something like that which you could easily see was false, would you still believe the bible and be a Christian? Is so, then why?

The Koran also does this Why are you Christian and not Islamic?

If I found something that wasn't completely accurate in the Bible, I would look at the front cover and make sure it wasn't the Koran or the Book of Mormon, which have many inaccuracies in them. This is the reason I'm not a Mormon or Muslim or Jehova's Witness. Religion which is made by man has many errors, it's the Bible, which is the word of God that became flesh and walked among us that makes the Living Word different than all man made works.

Good examples. The Koran states that God made the mountains to act as tent pegs to keep the earth from shaking... We all know we still have earth quakes. Also that King Solomon spoke to ants. And that semen comes from a man's kidneys. hmmmm. All these things are proven to be wrong.

Mormon Bible states that horses and cows were indiginious to the US. We know they were brought here. The Mormon Bible has been revised over 200 times.

Both Muhammad and Joseph Smith claimed to have been visited by an angel giving them revelation different than what the Bible states and both of them had the same message that all other religions are corrupt and that they were given the true religion by this angel.

Yet the Bible states that even if an angel gives you a different word than of the Bible, let him be condemned.

[deegs]

okay, but why do you think that you hate that? That's a pretty strong word. You do not have to go to Church to be helped, because Christ is the church. So this means you can ask Christ into your heart and be forgiven right where you stand...even now. He already paid the price for you. The admission is just to let Christ in.

but i did nothing wrong, retard. that's the whole point.

[deegs]

oops, i've sinned. i reckon 15 hail mary's and 5 our father's out to do it

[xcept68]

oops, i've sinned. i reckon 15 hail mary's and 5 our father's out to do it

Well it is good to ask for forgiveness for your sins. But if you ask of this from anyone other than Jesus, then you might as well be asking your bedpost to forgive you. Only Christ died upon the Cross and said "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do". Then he said "Tetelestai" greek for paid in full. It was a stamp used when your debts were paid during the 1st century. Means He paid out debt in full. For you, so you don't have to. All you have to do is accept Him, because He will go in your place. He takes our place, because we cannot be sinless. I hope that helps a bit.

[lancaster]

If I found something that wasn't completely accurate in the Bible, I would look at the front cover and make sure it wasn't the Koran or the Book of Mormon, which have many inaccuracies in them.

You dodged the question. What if the massive error was in your bible. The bible that you follow. How would you react? Could you still be a Christian?

[xcept68]

You dodged the question. What if the massive error was in your bible. The bible that you follow. How would you react? Could you still be a Christian?

Nope.

[beetsh]

so you dont have faith?

[deegs]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23468364/

[lancaster]

Only Christ died upon the Cross and said "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do". Then he said "Tetelestai" greek for paid in full. It was a stamp used when your debts were paid during the 1st century. Means He paid out debt in full. For you, so you don't have to. All you have to do is accept Him, because He will go in your place. He takes our place, because we cannot be sinless.

1. Jesus has paid for our sins so we don't have to pay for them.

2. According to Genesis 3, part of the price women have to pay for sin is pain in childbirth.

3. But if Jesus has paid for sin so we don't have to (from 1), then no woman should experience pain in childbirth (from 2).

But women do experience pain in childbirth, so there must be a flaw in either 1 or 2.

xcept68, can you let me know where I've erred?

[beetsh]

i could tell you had something up your sleeve lancaster

[lancaster]

BTJ, I've only just started.

[xcept68]

1. Jesus has paid for our sins so we don't have to pay for them.

2. According to Genesis 3, part of the price women have to pay for sin is pain in childbirth.

3. But if Jesus has paid for sin so we don't have to (from 1), then no woman should experience pain in childbirth (from 2).

But women do experience pain in childbirth, so there must be a flaw in either 1 or 2.

xcept68, can you let me know where I've erred?

Short answer... If you break one of your mother's best dishes, you can say you're sorry, she can forgive you, but the dish still remains broken. The sin can be forgiven, however the effect of the sin is still to be dealt with. You can gamble away your paycheck and miss your house payment, you can be forgiven and still not have the money, right?

Long answer... this is a question of atonement. Jesus suffered just as a mother does to give us new birth. My understanding of a mother's love helps me to make sense of why Jesus had to die. The Bible teaches us that the pain of childbirth is a result of, but also an important part of the brokeness of the world after the fall. Certainly Jesus pain is a result of the fall, but when a child goes wrong the mother suffers. She suffers not because some divine God requires her to, but because she cannot pretend that the child's deed never occurred. To do so would compromise her own righteousness and her child's moral development. So instead she teaches her child that these actions have consequences.

So neither can a Holy God ignore sin. Look to the prodigal son in the Bible to see this example. The son squandered away his money, it's all gone and spent. Even in the presence of his father, he has no more money and though the happy celebration is going on, it doesn't give back the money lost.

God took the consequences of sin upon Himself, through Christ's death upon the cross so you wouldn't have to.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

[deegs]

short answer: bullshit

[xcept68]

how so? If you have a reasoning why you think that. Or do you simply just disagree altogether? If that's the case, that's understandable and I won't argue with that. However if you have reasoning, then I'd be interested to hear it.

[lancaster]

Short answer... If you break one of your mother's best dishes, you can say you're sorry, she can forgive you, but the dish still remains broken. The sin can be forgiven, however the effect of the sin is still to be dealt with.

So you are saying that even though Jesus paid for our sins in full (Tetelestai), we still have to pay for them.

God took the consequences of sin upon Himself, through Christ's death upon the cross so you wouldn't have to.

But now you're saying that he did pay for our sins, so we don't have to pay for them.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

No it doesn't. You've just contradicted yourself. So which is it? Do we have to pay for our sins again or not?

Could you also please answer my previous post. Which of my statements is in error, 1 or 2?

[xcept68]

So you are saying that even though Jesus paid for our sins in full (Tetelestai), we still have to pay for them.



But now you're saying that he did pay for our sins, so we don't have to pay for them.



No it doesn't. You've just contradicted yourself. So which is it? Do we have to pay for our sins again or not?

Could you also please answer my previous post. Which of my statements is in error, 1 or 2?

The wages of sin is death. When you sin, you have no way for remission of these sins, except to have a perfect sacrifice. Christ is that perfect sacrifice. The earthly part isn't the important part, it's the heavenly part that is more important. We are all in sin and all fallen. The effects of sin that Adam and Eve brought into the world are here. The debt is paid. The effect is still present.

You cannot pay for your sins, because you aren't a perfect sacrifice. You cannot live a perfect sinless life. So no, you didn't write a contradiction in the first place, nothing to contradict, merely a lack of better understanding.

[lancaster]

The wages of sin is death.

Plus pain in childbirth, and that snakes have to crawl on their bellies. (I wonder how they got around before that - perhaps by hopping on their tails).

When you sin, you have no way for remission of these sins, except to have a perfect sacrifice. Christ is that perfect sacrifice.

Yes, you've gone over this. So are you back to "Jesus paid for our sins in full"?

The effects of sin that Adam and Eve brought into the world are here. The debt is paid. The effect is still present.

You're trying to create an artificial distinction with your words "debt" and "effect".

Adam and Eve sin -> death and pain in childbirth.

Jesus pays for sin in full -> no death (live forever in heaven), but still pain in childbirth


If you disagree, please point out where I am mistaken by explicitly showing which sentences you disagree with. Just stating your point of view and not addressing my points doesn't further your cause.

[xcept68]

Plus pain in childbirth, and that snakes have to crawl on their bellies. (I wonder how they got around before that - perhaps by hopping on their tails). They either had legs and or wings. The chinese character for snake actually shows it as an upright creature with wings. Chinese language is one of the more ancient languages still in use today.

Yes, you've gone over this. So are you back to "Jesus paid for our sins in full"? The curse of sin will be lifted, but right now it still is in effect. We live in a fallen and sinful world and are born into sin.

You're trying to create an artificial distinction with your words "debt" and "effect". I don't believe I am. There is the effect of sin, and also a sin debt. Christ paid the sin debt for us in full when He died upon the cross. The effects of sin is that He had to die from the moment Adam sinned, Christ had to die. No way around that. Adam's sin could be forgiven, but Christ would still have to die because of the effect of sin upon the world.
Adam and Eve sin -> death and pain in childbirth. among other things. (earthquakes, floods, murder, rape, everything else unsavory)

Jesus pays for sin in full -> no death (live forever in heaven), but still pain in childbirth at the point when there is no more death, nor will their be anymore pain in childbirth or any other pain for that matter. Christ will come down again and create a new heaven and new earth without pain and suffering forever

If you disagree, please point out where I am mistaken by explicitly showing which sentences you disagree with. Just stating your point of view and not addressing my points doesn't further your cause.

I don't think I understand where you are going with this. Or exactly what point you are trying to make. Maybe you don't either. Maybe you are trying to use someone else's reasoning/excuses of why they are an atheist. Maybe it's your own, I don't know. However I surely don't see what you are trying to get at with it. Because I only see your confusion of the topic.

[lancaster]

[on snakes]They either had legs and or wings. The chinese character for snake actually shows it as an upright creature with wings. Chinese language is one of the more ancient languages still in use today.


Okay, now I know you're just full of shit and making stuff up. It never says anything about legs or wings in the bible. And the whole Chinese language this is also shit. If you're a bible believer, then this snake incident happen with Adam and Eve. The Chinese language wasn't created until thousands of years later with the tower of Babel, so has nothing to do with it.

You're just making up stuff and cherry picking evidence from wherever to "support" it.

Not impressed.

[FLemshady]

1. Jesus has paid for our sins so we don't have to pay for them.

2. According to Genesis 3, part of the price women have to pay for sin is pain in childbirth.

3. But if Jesus has paid for sin so we don't have to (from 1), then no woman should experience pain in childbirth (from 2).

But women do experience pain in childbirth, so there must be a flaw in either 1 or 2.

xcept68, can you let me know where I've erred?



The real question is if those were commands or not. I dont think so its just etymology for how things came to be.

[lancaster]

FLemshady, so you're disputing 2?

Read Genesis 3, the whole pain in childbirth is from God's own mouth.

[xcept68]

Okay, now I know you're just full of shit and making stuff up. It never says anything about legs or wings in the bible. And the whole Chinese language this is also shit. If you're a bible believer, then this snake incident happen with Adam and Eve. The Chinese language wasn't created until thousands of years later with the tower of Babel, so has nothing to do with it.

You're just making up stuff and cherry picking evidence from wherever to "support" it.

Not impressed.

Genesis states that the serpent was more subtle than the beasts of the field. It also states that Eve was not afraid of this creature. It was cursed to go on it's belly and it would eat dust, which is how a serpent seeks out it's food by tasting dust in order to smell prey.

So the curse placed upon the serpent removed the creatures locomotion of either legs, wings, or both. There are quite a few myths
Such a beast, for example, is found in the myths of the ancient Aztecs, who worshipped a winged, legless serpent called Quetzalcoatl. More importantly, a winged, legless serpent is found in the mythology of the ancient Arabia; the legless flying serpent in Arabian mythology was said to have been the guardian of a tree, just like the serpent in the Genesis story. The fact that both serpents guarded trees suggests that the serpents in both myths may have been based on a common antecedent now lost to history that predated each of them.

[lancaster]

Genesis states that the serpent was more subtle than the beasts of the field. It also states that Eve was not afraid of this creature. It was cursed to go on it's belly and it would eat dust, which is how a serpent seeks out it's food by tasting dust in order to smell prey.


Yes, yes. But where does it state that the snake used to have wings and / or legs? Chapter and verse reference, please.

[FLemshady]

lancaster show me where chapter 3 is commands and not just statements.

i dont view verses 14-19 as commands but rather etymology aka how things came to be

if they were commands then it would be wrong to not have a painful childbirth or not work by manual labor.

BTW jesus paid the price of death so we could live and not die, since the punishment was death for breaking the commandments.

[lancaster]

Could you reword that as I've no idea what you're on about. This commands vs etymology makes no sense.

[FLemshady]

when u say that pain from childbirth would/should be abolished if Christ took the punishment then you are taking the statement as a command from God

However if that is a command so is the fact that if a man doesnt do manual labor for a living then it is a sin.

but if u believe it to be Etymology, which means how things came to be, then your statement is unfounded as pain in childbirth is just how things are.

[lancaster]

Etymology is about how words came to be part of a particular language. Would Mythology be a better word to use?

So you are saying that you believe that Genesis is just a creation myth, and not literal? I too believe it is just a part of the Christian mythology, but my comment was directed to xcept68 who does believe that it is literal.

I still don't get the distinction you are making between statement and command. Could you please tell me which of my above statements 1, 2 or 3 you are talking about because I really don't know.

[xcept68]

Yes, yes. But where does it state that the snake used to have wings and / or legs? Chapter and verse reference, please.

It doesn't. It states that the serpent was more subtil (meaning more delicate, refined and wise, attractive) Hardly describes the serpent of today. Also that God cursed the serpent to go upon it's belly, which means it wasn't going that way before. Just as He cursed Eve with the pains of childbirth. Incidently, Eve had many children before being given these pains. This is why they thought Cain was the deliverer, but he was a murderer. They too saw the signs that Christ must come just as God placed them in the sky with the stars being for seasons.

[xcept68]

lancaster show me where chapter 3 is commands and not just statements.

i dont view verses 14-19 as commands but rather etymology aka how things came to be

if they were commands then it would be wrong to not have a painful childbirth or not work by manual labor.

BTW jesus paid the price of death so we could live and not die, since the punishment was death for breaking the commandments.

childbirth is an effect of the sin. Not the sin. Just as if you cheat on your wife, you can be forgiven, but still ruin your marriage. You can reconcile it but it will never be the same. It will always be different because of your choices in sin.

[lancaster]

It doesn't.

Good. Please just use bible verses or logic in the future. There's no use in talking to you if you make stuff up.

It states that the serpent was more subtil (meaning more delicate, refined and wise, attractive) Hardly describes the serpent of today.

It depends of your point of view. I like snakes and some of them are definitely as you describe above.

Also that God cursed the serpent to go upon it's belly, which means it wasn't going that way before.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it had wings or legs. It could have hopped on its tail as I originally wondered.

[xcept68]

Good. Please just use bible verses or logic in the future. There's no use in talking to you if you make stuff up. True dat.

It depends of your point of view. I like snakes and some of them are definitely as you describe above. Yeah snakes are still beautiful either way, but as described in the Garden of Eden, more beautiful than we ever would have known.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it had wings or legs. It could have hopped on its tail as I originally wondered.

You mean like a Cobra... well a Cobra already does this... so there wouldn't have been any kind. Considering that Moses wrote the verse to make sure that it was mentionen and well covered. I would suggest there was a drastic change as well as poison and thorns being added because of the fall and sin?

You know I actually do enjoy talking with you, one because you let a dead horse lie without kicking it over and over, unlike blitherly... So don't take any offense to what I say.