What do you think the easiest submission is to learn effectively?

Personally i think its any ankle lock.

personally i'd say the kimura, but arm bars and triangles arent too difficult to learn effectively either...being able to submit somebody with them that knows what they're doing is another matter all together

guillotine

I don't really think there is an "easiest" submission. It just so happens some people are better at certain submissions.

However the guillotine in concept, and practice is pretty fucking easy to pull off, if given the opportunity.

for me it's the keylock from side control...always seems to work...

ankle locks against people who dont know how to counter them or guillotine

guillotine and then rnc

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for me it's the keylock from side control...always seems to work...
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guillotine

guillotine is the easiest to pull off but deadly..........................


I sunk one in standing when the guy tried to double leg me i caught him around his neck then jumped up and put the hooks making him fall to the ground then squeezed it in then tapped then never came back to the gym again.


- true story ....... we have yet to hear from him i've been told that he hasn't shown up ever since then.

nice

Flying armbar

Gotta be the guillotine especially if the person applying it is pretty strong

yeh dont do no half guillotine choke get the neck bitches.

From side mount: Americana/kimura
Back: RNC
full mount: scarf choke or armbar
Guard: guillotine or americana

none against a Black belt

Flying triangle...


guillotine is probably the easiest, but if your opponent gets out, youre pretty much gassed

Once you get comfortable with the kimura, it is easy to use for takedowns and submissions.

I think the gulliotine is the eaisest for me. Too many people forget to protect the neck standing up, clinching, and when they shoot for takdowns the eaisest for me. Too many people forget to protect the necj standing up, clinching, and when they shoot for takdowns

i say it would be an armbar or a rear naked choke and the guillotine

headlock and squeeze hard lol

guillotine, armbar, and arm triangle..

arm triangle

rear naked choke is the easiest

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What do you think the easiest submission is to learn effectively?

Personally i think its any ankle lock.
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rnc to is easy

guillotine is probably the easiest to apply and against an unskilled oppenent its always there. Also RNC is pretty easy.

Americana

Guillotine is pretty simple, but so is RNC.

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arm triangle
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Hummm...
The arm triangle is much more complicated than a lot of subs, say the smother, the armbar, the keylock.

RNC was the first 1 I learned.

guillotine.

an armbar is harder than it looks

Da Figure Four leg lock....Whoaaaaa!

guillitine, against trained fighters, not as much, but just wrestling ams, always wins,

RNC, it just comes naturally

armbar is easy to learn

Kimura; everyone knows that it's hard to get out of one when it's cranked all the way behind your back.

The complexity or the easiest to pull off?? I think It depends on the person you are grappling against. In Grappling matches, I find the armbar the easist one to land. But if you were trying to teach somoene who knew nothing of grappling I would say what pretty much everyone else said, The guillotine or RNC.

i'm sure any submission is easy when done on a person who doesn't know what he's doing...

i like the guillotine, keylock, and kimura..

kneebars make me cringe :o

o yeh.. how could i forget the RNC.. geezus!.. that's one of my fav's too..:D

guillotine

Guillitine is probably the easiest. It just burns alot of energy in your arms locking it in, and holding it until the tap.

The easiest for me is the americana. Once I get top position I can usually work an opening for it and lock one on.

keylock for me too :D

easiest to physically perform - guillotine

easiest to land in training/match - keylock

I think the 2 easiest to apply in combat are.. Guillotine choke, Achilles lock(how Arlovski beat Sylvia). Just wrap your arm around the head/foot and pull up.

guillotine and the kimura aren't too hard. Armbars are hard to pull off but easy to do/practice.

I'd say arm bar or kimura.

Keylock from side mount.

guillotine and rear naked choke are the simplest to learn but rear naked definitely isnt the easiest to get to.

Physical power needed to execute= armbar
" " " " get to =guillotine
easiest to pull off in a match= guillotine

guillotine is the winner

Rnc

kimura

Kimura from any position!!!

The guillotine for sure. Nothing complicated here.

armbar from the mount for me!!

i think armbar from the mount is used way to seldom ... but i think also that toeholds come around alot and knee bars as well, i think these are alot easier to come by than alot of people realize

guillatine

Rear naked choke is a good starter.

RNC if you got the hooks in

if somebody has really good rnc defense its nearly impossible to pull off

i picked up triangles fairly quickly. guilotines arent very hard either.

Rnc against untrained

Amaricana if you are stronger

Guillotine is very effective because if you make a mistake its all over.

Ankle lock is very very hard if you spar with striking on the ground because if it isn't right the first time you eat a lot of shots.

L:isten, any move is hard to pull off if the guy has great defense of that move but all and all if you have the hooks in and the guy is able to peel your hands away you still get a 2nd and 3rd try at it considering your attached to his back. If you didnt succeed at first try ,try again...RNC w/ hooks in gives you better odds

I find that most chokes are fairly easy to pull off.I like the rnc myself... but the guillotine isn't overly bad either, but as some people have said if a guy has got good defense you're going to have a hard time getting anything.

Americana is the least technically demanding sub.

the keylock/kimura submissions are easier imo

Rnc

So the verdict is any kind of choke pretty much requires little technique and the opportunity arises very often.


WINNERs: gulliotine or RNC


:victory:

Have to be kimura or guillotine

Submission from a Good old Fashion GRound Beating...... ITs funny watching some chump undeneath you try to tap while eating heavy elbows

My first submission in bjj class was an armbar from mount.

RNC

at my gym, they teach the guilotine, rnc, kimura/americana, and armbar first

RNC

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Well i would have to go with the guillotine or the Triangle

most anything you see regularly in mma is pretty easy, its the obscure shit like the gator roll thats hard, leg locks are hard too

Guillotine, easy. There is NOTHING simpler than that. Grip around his head pretty much anyway you want (there are better grips than others, but none that really don't work) and squeeze for all your worth. It's the ultimate beginner move.

Kimura from top/bottome are easy.

guillotine

also kimura

the guillotine is the only move I've ever actually tapped someone with and I've never been trained in how to do it. Also just look at how often it ends low-level MMA matches.

guillotine, rnc

Too me leg locks come easy, but coming from a catch wrestling background thats kinda normal.

armbar or americana

if by easiest you mean easiest to get probablly armbars and guillotines but easiest to perform, probablly armbar

armbar from the guard, or a triangle from gaurd pull seem to work the best against untrained people, I get my roommates in them if they start mouthing off =D

Can opener.

kimura, armbar from maunt position and rear naked choke .....

I think that the question is very hard to answer. It depends on you're (and you oppenents) strengths, weaknesses, background, etc. I like to do an armbar from guard against inexperienced people (you wouldn't believe how many times I've done this to drunks) but against a trained fighter with no shirt it can be very hard.

rear naked and guillotine...they even teach us those at taekwondo....lol

oh and ive never been arm barred...have extramely inflexible elbows...my cousin who is blue belt cant make me tap...hence why i am soon starting JJ woo

The easiest would be the guillotine. You'd be suprised how many people, no matter how skilled they are still get caught in this very basic move.

guillotine

Figure 4 never fails. I'd say RNC, Kamiura is pretty simple too.

rear naked choke prob.

or an armbar.

Guillotine, RNC
Ankle Locks (Toe Holds etc.)
Figure 4
Kimura
Americana
Armbars (all types are pretty basic)

The biggest difficulty is the transitioning and ability to pull them off against someone fighting for position.

the arm bar, its simple. I remember doing it to my friends when we were kids. No skills just human nature

i'd say the guillotine

Id say RNC, but wristlocks in general are very easy to learn, and are so neglected that you may even be able to pull them off wihtout a problem. From just about any angle that you have an arm, you can get some variation of a wristlock.

It depends on the person and who the person is fighting