http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/060807_edging_english.html

A local Florida businessman has been pushed out of his small store lot after his landlord suggested he was unwelcome because he speaks only English in a neighborhood that increasingly caters to Spanish speakers.

Worries about a Balkanization of America -- where populations are at odds with one-another-- seem to be cropping up with English certainly developing as a minority language in many regions.

There is a certain double-standard apparent: towns like El Cenizo

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will officially speak Spanish only, and no one on the politically-correct edge will have a problem with it, yet in cases like this one, few will speak up to defend the right to own maintain a predominantly-English based business (the business owner, McKenna, does not discriminate against Spanish-speaking customers, they are a regular part of his business, he simply does not know Spanish himself).

Clearly, it would be considered racist or at least unfriendly to edge out Spanish-speaking businesses in favor of an English-only business area, yet here the opposite is pursued and few seem to care.

The Spanish ignorant McKenna says his feelings are hurt and he wouldn't want to stay around even if his landlord reversed his decision. Big still, larger questions remain about the new culture-- will we be fragmented niches all speaking different languages, and all of us more easily controlled?



Geoff Oldfather / TCPalm.com | August 5, 2007

On July 5 — the day after Independence Day — McKenna received a letter from landlord Ivan Munroe telling him to consider another location.

Munroe said in his letter he wants to have "quality tenants serving the Spanish need in the area."

"I guess I don't serve the 'Spanish need,' whatever that means," McKenna said.

"I have plenty of Spanish-speaking workers come in here to buy water for their landscaping crews," he said. "And people in the neighborhood use the vending machines out front to fill their water bottles for their homes."

The population of the Golden Gate neighborhood east of McKenna's store also has become mostly Spanish-speaking.

To McKenna, that's irrelevant, as it should be. A customer is a customer is a customer.

But all the signs for the check-cashing store and the Mexican restaurant that share the building with McKenna are in Spanish.

Apparently the signs for Seacoast Water Care don't fit in. They're in English.

Munroe pretty much admitted that's one of the reasons he wants McKenna to move...

But there's a double standard, and I don't think Munroe is a villain as much as he's the symptom of a bigger societal ill: Try telling a minority business owner to leave so you can bring in a quality tenant to serve the need of the English-speaking population.

You'd have activists organizing protests so quick it'd make the annual snowbird migration seem slow.

TTT

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People should be able to do whatever they want with their own property, if you want to kick someone out because they don't speak your language thats fine IMO.

I think its totally fucked up. I love my mexican friends however the illegals should not be able to come over here and not pay taxes, its totally fucked I can't believe people would say illegals should be able to stay, theres no reason why they cant become citizens the right way. Its just more beneficial to play both sides by going back and forth between the US and Mexico. You get caught then you get a free bus ride all the way home.

Yes its "nice" to let them stay but your only helping greedy business owners by allowing illegals.

Theres a million reasons why illegals shouldnt be able to stay in the US. Greedy business owners should not be able to exploit anyone like they are doing and even normal citizens end up getting exploited because of the imbalance.

As far as the topic at hand goes its complete BS, when I was in fence construction I communicated with mexicans just fine using hand signals. The fucked up thing was that even though the mexican guys knew just as much as the others they were paid far less because they were illegal.

That being said I don't blame anyone for coming on over I would too.

I think its totally fucked up. I love my mexican friends however the illegals should not be able to come over here and not pay taxes, its totally fucked I can't believe people would say illegals should be able to stay, theres no reason why they cant become citizens the right way. Its just more beneficial to play both sides by going back and forth between the US and Mexico. You get caught then you get a free bus ride all the way home.

Yes its "nice" to let them stay but your only helping greedy business owners by allowing illegals.

Theres a million reasons why illegals shouldnt be able to stay in the US. Greedy business owners should not be able to exploit anyone like they are doing and even normal citizens end up getting exploited because of the imbalance.

As far as the topic at hand goes its complete BS, when I was in fence construction I communicated with mexicans just fine using hand signals. The fucked up thing was that even though the mexican guys knew just as much as the others they were paid far less because they were illegal.

That being said I don't blame anyone for coming on over I would too.

Actually bro, you're wrong. They dont have the best of both worlds. They come here to better themselves and to provide for their families. Contrary to what you may think, they pay millions in taxes every year.

The immigrants have been able to file since 1996 when the IRS started issuing special tax numbers for people living and working illegally in this country. Experts say the 8 million to 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States contribute untold billions each year in payroll taxes.

Many said they had a new reason to report their taxes: a hope that some day the government will reward them with some form of immigration clemency, a hope highlighted by President Bush's proposed guest worker program.

"I'm doing it for my son. In the future, maybe we can fix our papers," said Guillermo Suarez, 25, of San Marcos, who waited in line recently to file while his 4-year-old son, William, played with checkers nearby.

You can read the rest of the article here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040415/news_1n15taxes.html

Actually bro, you're wrong. They dont have the best of both worlds.
I never said that I was making reference to a particular strategy to get home if you don't have a car or don't want to pay for the gas.


They come here to better themselves and to provide for their families.
Ummm yeah, remember when I said that I dont blame anyone for coming over here?


Contrary to what you may think, they pay millions in taxes every year.


I assure you many are using fake socials or working under the table although I do understand the fact that many do pay taxes, buy goods and services here and it contributes to the mexican economy its still not fair for people who come here legally or people who work blue collar jobs and have to compete with illegals who will work for less and take the bosses shit.

Whatever any cherry picked studies/data says that we post here it only takes common sense to understand whats going on with the working class jobs out there.


You can read the rest of the article here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040415/news_1n15taxes.html


Yes theres plenty of conflicting studies from both sides like this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

Research by George Borjas, Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at Harvard University, shows that illegal aliens increasing the supply of low skilled labor had a long-term reduction of wages among American poor citizens during the 1980s and 1990s by 4.8% [20] and, according to an op-ed by him in the New York Times, their wages will reduce much further if border security is reduced[21]. The supply of illegal alien labor has disproportionately affected certain groups of American citizens such as black and Hispanic poor with whom they compete for jobs.[25]

I'm a mixed race person myself that comes from a family that was formed from immigration but my grandparents had to go through the proper legal steps to stay here, whats going on now isnt fair.

I assure you many are using fake socials or working under the table although I do understand the fact that many do pay taxes, buy goods and services here and it contributes to the mexican economy its still not fair for people who come here legally or people who work blue collar jobs and have to compete with illegals who will work for less and take the bosses shit.


they're not taking everybody's jobs they're mainly taking jobs americans won't do and don't want to do.

they're not taking everybody's jobs they're mainly taking jobs americans won't do and don't want to do.

Thats a rediculous argument man, come on. Many people like their blue collar jobs just fine. Theres always gonna be the poorer class no matter what.

The point is that if they are gonna let the mexicans in they should let everybody in instead of pulling this half way bullshit where they award people for breaking the law by granting them amnesty while punishing others from asian or european countries. How the fuck is this fair or right?

Let as many chinese come in that wanna come here in fact let everybody in. Its fine with me as long as long as they don't punish some and reward others. Make them all citizens so company owners don't hold leverage over them but wait they don't speak english so they will still work for less. See why we have these laws? Its to protect people its not hatefullness or racism people are just pulling the race card to get what they want.

Like it or not life isnt a magical fairy tell and if you wanna help some people why not help some starving people in Africa? Why do all the protesting just so some white bitch can keep treating her mexican maid like a slave?

Thats a rediculous argument man, come on. Many people like their blue collar jobs just fine. Theres always gonna be the poorer class no matter what.

The point is that if they are gonna let the mexicans in they should let everybody in instead of pulling this half way bullshit where they award people for breaking the law by granting them amnesty while punishing others from asian or european countries.
Let as many chinese come in that wanna come here in fact let everybody in. Its fine with me as long as long as they don't punish some and reward others.

If theres complete free trade and no welfare then I'm all for letting anybody live where they want. Whats going on right now is almost a form of slavery. Company owners can absolutely shit on people with no worry of losing their employees or organized strikes .

a) Which blue collar jobs are you talking about?

b) How are they punishing others?

c) I agree that owners are treating employess bad tho.

:thatsgay:

that made me lol. On a serious note, I think the essence of america is it welcomes everyone who works hard and there are no bars. Language or any other bar notwithstanding.

a) Which blue collar jobs are you talking about?

b) How are they punishing others?

c) I agree that owners are treating employess bad tho.

a.It doesent matter, point is that factories, contruction and farm workers have to put up with crappier wages and bad job conditions because illegals will put up with it since they can't speak english and alot of times have to fake their social security number, this makes it harder to find work. Maybe middle class americans arent affected but the gap between the rich and impoverished will widen over time if this is allowed to continue. Mexican immigrants are becoming the new slave work force.

b.Immigrants from other countries are sent home immediately while mexicans are being granted amnesty by liberal politicians or at least that is being talked about.

c.exactly

i'm not following the argument. are you saying we should deport all the illegal mexicans or that they should be treated differently, in a better way?

i'm not following the argument. are you saying we should deport all the illegal mexicans or that they should be treated differently, in a better way?

They should either enforce the laws or get rid of the laws.

I hate racists and I hate seeing people get exploited so I feel for both sides I guess.

fuck that shit i came illegaly so fuck all who say we should leave

the only way to make this a better country is by coming LEGALLY.
and work your way up.

My ancestors were both Native American and Irish. My Irish ancestors, obviously, came over from Ireland. Yes, America embraces folks from other countries, but in legal fashion. That's the "American" way. No, the illegals don't do jobs that Americans don't or won't do, they only do them for less $$$.

I believe if they want to become "citizens", that's cool, the more the merrier! Those that want to come over and earn money to send back to their family in Mexico for a few years before RETURNING can take a hike as far as I'm concerned.

Another thing, I'm sick of packaging with english and spanish text and of automated answering systems that tell me to press "_" for english and "_" for spanish!!! Because really, if we spoke the language of "native americans", there would be several versions - the sioux, cherokee, micosuckee, passamaquady, etc. all spoke in different tongues.

...Because really, if we spoke the language of "native americans", there would be several versions - the sioux, cherokee, micosuckee, passamaquady, etc. all spoke in different tongues.


Is that a real language and tribe?

Is it pronounced me-so-sucky?

Is that a real language and tribe?

Is it pronounced me-so-sucky?

yes
no. pronounced micosookee.

the only way to make this a better country is by coming LEGALLY.
and work your way up.



aren't you cuban?

The Local government does the right thing by operating in both languages. If you believe in property rights then you should be able to evict someone who uses your land for any reason you want. That is your personal freedom to rent or lease to whomever.

I think its totally fucked up. I love my mexican friends however the illegals should not be able to come over here and not pay taxes, its totally fucked I can't believe people would say illegals should be able to stay, theres no reason why they cant become citizens the right way. Its just more beneficial to play both sides by going back and forth between the US and Mexico. You get caught then you get a free bus ride all the way home.

Yes its "nice" to let them stay but your only helping greedy business owners by allowing illegals.

Theres a million reasons why illegals shouldnt be able to stay in the US. Greedy business owners should not be able to exploit anyone like they are doing and even normal citizens end up getting exploited because of the imbalance.

As far as the topic at hand goes its complete BS, when I was in fence construction I communicated with mexicans just fine using hand signals. The fucked up thing was that even though the mexican guys knew just as much as the others they were paid far less because they were illegal.

That being said I don't blame anyone for coming on over I would too.


The worst part is that they can move into the u.s, not pay taxes, and then use your education system and health care system! THATS OUTRAGEOUS!

But if people are going to come over legally I don't see a neccesaryy need to have them learn English. The option should be provided, but if they don't need to learn it then they shouldn't have to.