Saturday, June 9 2007

By Matt Richardson at ringside / Photo: Ed Mulholland
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WBA welterweight champion Miguel Cotto (30-0, 25 KOs) scored an eleventh round TKO over Zab Judah (34-5, 25 KOs) in a wild back and forth classic on Saturday at a sold out Madison Square Garden in New York City. In round one Judah hurt Cotto with an uppercut, Cotto put Judah on the deck with a low blow. Cotto was effective for most of round two, but was rocked again by Judah at the end of the round. Cotto continued the pressure in the third and another low blow put Judah down again. A point was deducted from Cotto. Cotto was bleeding from the mouth as Judah found a home for the left hand. Judah was cut over the right eye in the fourth as he was hammered by Cotto. Cotto was cut over the right eye in the sixth but wobbled Judah midway through the round. Judah opened up and hurt Cotto again in the seventh. Cotto was back on the attack in an exciting eighth. Judah's right eye was starting to close in the ninth and Judah took a knee to escape Cotto's assault. Cotto continued to brutalize Judah in the tenth. Judah was floored by a right hand in the eleventh and referee Arthur Mercante Jr. stopped the fight after Cotto's followup assault. Time was :49.


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Welterweight Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (32-0-1, 25 KOs) avenged the final loss of his legendary father with a third round knockout of Grover Wiley (30-10-1, 2, 14 KOs). Chavez dropped Wiley in round one and twice in round three to end it.

good fight. cotto wore him down just as i expected. zab did show heart, just outmatched tho.

Any word during the post fight on what Cotto is doing next?

Cotto is thanking me for predicting that his vicious body work would pay off with a Referee stoppage TKO in the 11th. **reps myself again**

After that probably having unprotected sex with a room of Puerto Rican women at the same time.

WAR NO JIMMY HAT!

Of course I was sad to see my 50 bucks go down the drain, but I was happy to see that Cotto is the real deal. Despite the fact that he was coming off of two losses, Zab is a terrific fighter and to hand him such an ass whooping is quite an achievement. I was impressed with his win over Malignaggi who is so fucking tricky, but this legitimizes Cotto (at least for me) as a serious serious contender and a potential superstar.

I havnt watched the fight yet. :wah:
If anybody comes across a megaupload link can they post it?

YUP It definately legitmizes him. Personally I thought him annhiliating Quintana did that earlier though. Now you knows a fuckin playa at 147 for sure though

Sounds like it lived up to all the hype.

Sounds like it lived up to all the hype.

And more... I don't think HBO announcers were overstepping when they said it was an oldtime battle like a Lamotta, Tony Zale or Rocky Graziano fight.

Sounds like it lived up to all the hype.

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I'm with jimmy.

I got that stream sorta going ven.But it wouldnt stream,all I could do was hit refresh every 15 secs or so & get stills.
I gave the link to henjes but I dont know how he went

I waited all day for someone to upload this fight avoiding spoilers

I look at youtube to see if its up there and some faggot comments on a interview video HAHAHA COTTO FUCKED JUDAH UP!!!!!!11!!!!

its still gonna be good to watch.
A much more entertaining fight than PBF/DLH.

Im sick of knowing the result before I get a chance to watch the fight though

atleast I know its worth downloading I guess

Im sick of knowing the result before I get a chance to watch the fight though

atleast I know its worth downloading I guess

I was thinking about not putting the result in the thread title too.If the utbe didnt get you, I wouldve.

I wouldnt have logged on if I didnt already know the result haha

I wouldnt have logged on if I didnt already know the result haha

I cant stay away from results.

Any Pacquiao Fans here?

his brother got messed up

Great fight, wish Judah would've throw more punches but Cotto proved himself to be legit for sure last night.

Any Pacquiao Fans here?

Sure, who doesn't like the little fella

There is no way Floyd can retire with opposition like Mosley and Cotto still floating around.

his brother got messed up

Soto put the beat down on Bobby, another good fight. Chavez' fight against Grover was good too.

I found a 347mb file for the Cotto/Judah fight

http://www.megarotic.com/?d=A8CVQTDU

Sure, who doesn't like the little fella

There is no way Floyd can retire with opposition like Mosley and Cotto still floating around.


Hope Pacman-JMM II pulls through this yr.

Soto put the beat down on Bobby, another good fight. Chavez' fight against Grover was good too.


I guess that ends the Bobby-Pac express train

That Bobby Pac train had already made 12 stops... It was more of a steam powered locomotive

i think the low blows took a toll

man that was a great fight and I'm glad that cotto won. I'm just a noob in boxing (been taking it for only a couple of weeks) but did anyone else worry about how easily cotto was getting countered from his jabs?

man that was a great fight and I'm glad that cotto won. I'm just a noob in boxing (been taking it for only a couple of weeks) but did anyone else worry about how easily cotto was getting countered from his jabs?


Judah is a good boxer puncher with a shitload of natural ability and it appeared he actually showed up and tryed for this fight. So I wouldn't be too surprised. Cotto took the shots pretty well and only looked throughly hurt once.

Judah is incredibly fast, no shame in getting counter by him because he has extraordinary handspeed.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch. I'm not one to buy into excuses but those were two VICIOUS low blows that Zab took. Only Zab knows how much they took out of him. That, coupled with the facts that it sold so well and it was such a great fight, make a rematch something to look forward to.
If not, a Cotto/Mosley match would be superb, or even Cotto vs the winner of Williams/Margerito (which I feel strongly will be Williams).

But you gotta give it up to Zab. People thought he had no heart, but he took his beating like a man and kept on coming out and getting out until they stopped it. This is the kind of fight where both guys come out looking good.

Yup... I don't wanna see the rematch right away but Cotto is talking about fighting Margarito, Mosley, Cintron or Mayweather but I think Mayweather would duck him. Let Cotto fight Margarito/Williams winner or Cintron and let Judah get a win or 2 under his belt then bring the rematch I think there is more interest in it than the automatic rematch. Cotto with a belt rematching Judah is better :P


I say Cotto takes Cintron's belt so Cintron can come to the UFC and take Sherk's belt and make more money.

If Cotto beats the winner of Margarito/Williams then he is no doubt top ten p4p, he sits around 10 - 12 right now, Floyd is already saying he wasnt impressed with Cotto's win over Judah....pussy

Judah is a mental midget.

and Mayweather is a gutless midget

If Cotto beats the winner of Margarito/Williams then he is no doubt top ten p4p, he sits around 10 - 12 right now, Floyd is already saying he wasnt impressed with Cotto's win over Judah....pussy

This is especially funny since Mayweather won a UD over Judah with one of the cards being 116-112... When Cotto shut the lights out on Judah all cards were 97-91. But I guess the bigger point is Cotto knocked out a guy Mayweather had some problems with.

Mayweather would give Cotto a whoopin like no other. Cotto is just too open and Floyd's defense is too tight. This will make an interesting fight when Cotto gets a few more wins.

This is especially funny since Mayweather won a UD over Judah with one of the cards being 116-112... When Cotto shut the lights out on Judah all cards were 97-91. But I guess the bigger point is Cotto knocked out a guy Mayweather had some problems with.

Yeah but styles make fights, Zab is a guy who stops punching under pressure so Cotto was a real bad match for him. Against a guy like Floyd who doesn't put a lot of pressure and likes to pick his shots, obviously he'll fair better.

Ya what scares me about cotto is counter straight left that Zab didnt give him consistently that could have eaten him all night . Cottos defense is very open when hes doing the Left Jab/hook combo and a few times Judah took advantage with the straight left of his own but he was not throwing enough leather. Mayweather on the other hand will keep the pace up all 12 rounds and will have more consistent speed that Zab's bursts.

The question for me is can Cotto break Mayweathers retarded defense and slow him down with left hooks to the body?

Mayweathers strength is his head movement and his ring generalship. But DLH had him against the ropes several times. Cotto would abuse Mayweather to the body and just take his little tip tap punches to the head. Mayweather doesn't have shit for power at 147.

But DLH had him against the ropes several times


Yeah but he really didn't get anything done, he'd throw a lot of punches and maybe land 1 or 2. Floyd can protect the body too. And Cotto doesn't have the handspeed or the punching instincts (experience) that De La Hoya has. I don't agree with Floyd having shitty power at 147. He's not a big hitter but when he wants to punch he can hit, De La Hoya has a great chin and Floyd rocked him at 154 with a counter right.

Man who KJTFO? Judah got beat down against Cotto and Floyd was getting beat for a while. Granted MMA/Boxing math doesn't always work but in this case I think it applies. I think Cotto would expose Mayweather with his body attack. And DLH has decent power but Cotto's is better if a bit slower. Cotto's stamina is also far ahead of DLH's at this weight. Remember DLH is naturally a smaller guy than Cotto.

Granted MMA/Boxing math doesn't always work but in this case I think it applies.


Why does it apply? Cotto and Floyd Mayweather are two compltely different fighters with two completely different styles. Zab has shown that he is vulnerable to guys with Cotto's pressure style, Baldomir showed that when you put the pressure on the guy he his punch output drops significantly. But with guys who don't put a lot of pressure on guys, who aren't constantly throwing, he has time to think and use his incredible handspeed. I mean Zab got beat by pressuring Baldomir but stopped slick boxer Cory Spinks. Does anyone here think Baldomir is a better than Cory Spinks? Styles make fights, I don't see how this is relevant at all or how it could be used to soundly predict an outcome.

Judah didn't even show up for the Baldomir fight. Cotto beat Judah when he trained and came in to fight. Judah was at 100% for this fight not the lackluster showing he made against Baldomir who is a 10 loss joke champ. His style might cause a little trouble for Judah but its more the fact that Judah just didn't show up. The Judah that showed up against Cotto would have beat the large foreheaded Argentinian by decision.

You know this as well as I do. Half the time Judah doesn't come into the fight ready to fight, thats the Judah that fought Baldomir. Cotto crushed Judah at his best

great fight between the two. congrats to cotto!

Judah is a fighter that has all the potential than just becomes a mental midget and blows it... i've yet to see the fight... I want to see for myself because people are saying the low blows played a factor

I forgot all about this fight, sounds like it turned out to be better than that De La Hoya-Mayweather fight

Cotto crushed Judah at his best

Well he crushed his nuts Golota style, that much is for sure.

But I still don't see how its relevant. By that logic, we could say "well Muhammad Ali knocked out George Foreman, and both Ken Norton and Joe Frazier both beat Ali and each gave him 3 of the hardest fights of his career, so Ken Norton and Joe Frazier should destroy Foreman". It just don't work like that.

It doesn't ALWAYS work like that... But because Judah and Mayweather are very similar in style I think it applies well here. They are both counterpunching defensive fighters that rely on their natural abilities and quickness. Mayweather is faster, alot faster, but Judah also hits much harder than Mayweather. But all in all their style is quite similar. Thats why it applies here. Ali and Foremans style is not exactly similar :P

I don't think their styles are too similar. Besides Judah being a southpaw and Mayweather being orthodox. Mayweather has waaaay more depth than Judah does in terms of boxing skill. While you're right that Judah relies heavily on his natural abilities and quickness, IMO Floyd's natural abilities and quickness only compliment his boxing knowledge and skill. Also Floyd's defense is lightyears ahead of Judah's and 95% of the fighters out there. But it comes down to certain fighting characteristics. When Judah gets put under pressure, he gets uncomfortable, gets sloppy, and starts to catch punches. Floyd works very well under pressure and very rarely gets caught with a shot. Basically what I'm saying is Floyd is much more capable, both mentally and physically, of handling a style like Cotto's.

All I know is that Cotto will be a harder assignment for Floyd than Zab.
Styles make fights & Im unsure if Cotto will be able to hit Floyd though.Theres no doubt PBF has the edge in speed.
Floyd will need to bring a sound strategy because he wont have the luxury of Cotto fading in the last half of the fight like Zab & DLH did.

All I know is that Cotto will be a harder assignment for Floyd than Zab.


I can def agree with that. To be fair to Zab, I think people were really underestimating him coming into the Mayweather fight because of the Baldomir fight. I knew he'd give FLoyd some problems, but I didn't expect him to do so good.

IMO Floyd's natural abilities and quickness only compliment his boxing knowledge and skill. Also Floyd's defense is lightyears ahead of Judah's and 95% of the fighters out there.

Definately a fair assessment but I disagree with the statement about how he handles pressure so much better. Since his fight with Castillo he has been so choosey about picking fighters he thinks he matches up well with and will demolish based on style. Come on did any of you actually pay money to watch him embarrass Gatti or Baldomir? Judah was his last slight challenge before fighting DLH and DLH just didn't have the will/stamina to do what needed to be done in the final rounds to take it from Mayweather. I really don't think he will give Cotto the chance and thats my point. He will never fight Margarito either.

Despite him being rocked throut his career Cotto has a sturdy chin & great stamina.PBF wont get a TKO so he'll have to box a perfect fight for 12 rds.
I just hope the fight eventuates,its a pickem fight.

Cotto has a great shot at beating Floyd.Id rather see PBF drop to 140 & fight the JCC/Hatton winner,its a better weight for him to showcase his skills IMO.
Shit I realised Hatton & JCC r at '47 now.
Whatever happens Floyd has unfinished business at '47 to tend to if he wants to go down as a true all time great.

this was an unbelievable war of attrition by both fighters...fuck the two low blows early in the fight, glad a point was deducted though

Cotto has a great shot at beating Floyd.Id rather see PBF drop to 140 & fight the JCC/Hatton winner,its a better weight for him to showcase his skills IMO.
Shit I realised Hatton & JCC r at '47 now.
Whatever happens Floyd has unfinished business at '47 to tend to if he wants to go down as a true all time great.

You're right the first time. Hatton JCC was at 140 lbs.