can any true boxing fans look at this list and tell me if they think its accurate. i mean , im a casual fan and i would think tyson would be higher then 50? also many other questionable things. also include what you think would be a top 10 list because i would be curious as to what they would look like if you want.



http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/greatest/featureVideo?page=greatest150

The final list
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali Video
3. Henry Armstrong Video
4. Joe Louis Video
5. Willie Pep Video
6. Roberto Duran Video
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson Video
9. Jack Dempsey Video
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard Video
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano Video
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney Video
17. Mickey Walker Video
18. Archie Moore Video
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman Video
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross Video
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez Video
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier Video
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta Video
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn Video
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes Video
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker Video
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr. Bonus video: Brian Kenny on Jones' place on the list
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Video
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

I need time to look at this when I'm less out of it.

its impossible to do an acurate one because of how many different generations there are
I cant do lists because I simply havent seen everyone fight, theres not much footage or ray robinson in his prime out there. imagine trying to find footage of a a prime Jack Johnson or Harry Greb

36. Eder Jofre

brazil represent!

i can understand that , but what about tyson at 50? is there anyone on that list as fast and explosive as mike was? i know the guy is an asshole, but in his good days he was a fucking animal.

its impossible to do an acurate one because of how many different generations there are
I cant do lists because I simply havent seen everyone fight, theres not much footage or ray robinson in his prime out there. imagine trying to find footage of a a prime Jack Johnson or Harry Greb

I've touched on that point before.How could I fairly rate Greb,Jeffries etc.All I have is a few minutes on grainy footage & 2nd or 3rd hand stories to go off.

Tyson could have been greater... But this list wasn't a p f p best list it was a ranking taking many things into account. Such as what they did for boxing, how they connected to fans, dominance, and competition. Tyson didn't score well on many of those except for dominance. Note Lennox Lewis isn't on the list which is kind of a robbery, and Roy Jones Jr. in his Prime could be top 25 and MAYYYYYBE top 15. I thought Floyd's placement was good and Duran is overrated on this list by about 10-15 places. Marciano is ranked too low but for the most part the top 10 list is good. Ali is a little too high he should be like #5 with Armstrong and Pep and then Louis ahead of him. Marciano should be in the #6 slot and Ezzard Charles is also too low. Other than that its a decent list.

This was the criteria

How we picked the 50 greatest fightersBy Kieran Mulvaney
Special to ESPN.com


Ranking the 50 greatest fighters in history -- producing any kind of ranking, for that matter, of athletes in any sport -- is like flying a kite during a thunderstorm. It might seem exciting and challenging, but you know it's going to hurt.

If one thing is guaranteed about this ESPN.com listing of the greatest 50 boxers of all time, it's that everyone who reads it will have an opinion -- and not one of those opinions will be that we got it exactly right.


Why are there so many overrated old-timers? Why are there so many unproven contemporary fighters? Why is Oscar De La Hoya ahead of Carlos Monzon? Why is Evander Holyfield behind Larry Holmes? Why is Harry Greb so low? Why is Julio Cesar Chavez so high? Why is Mike Tyson in there at all?

But writing a list like this is a subjective science, and an inexact one. With perhaps one or two exceptions, there are no right or wrong answers.

Although few would question that Sugar Ray Robinson should sit at the very top, or that Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong and Joe Louis should be at the head of the chasing pack, cases can be made for and against the positioning, inclusion or omission of a good many others. You want to argue that Tony Canzoneri is ranked too high or that Roy Jones Jr. doesn't belong on the list? Go ahead. Chances are your arguments in favor of your rankings are just as good as my arguments in favor of mine.


This list is not an all-time, mythical pound-for-pound ranking. It is not trying to establish who would beat whom if everyone were all the same weight. After all, Roberto Duran lost two of three to Sugar Ray Leonard, but is ranked six places ahead of him. Sandy Saddler beat Willie Pep in three of four bouts, but is at No. 29, while Pep enjoys the stratospheric ranking of No. 5. Alexis Arguello is on the list; Aaron Pryor, a terrific fighter in his own right who beat Arguello twice, doesn't make it.

The fighters in this list have been assessed on four main criteria:

In-ring performance: A subjective measure and, to some degree, unquantifiable, but an important one. There's more to being considered a great fighter than compiling wins and collecting championship belts. There's also the manner in which the fights are fought and the wins are won -- the skill, the talent, the heart. Muhammad Ali brought a whole new style and panache to heavyweight boxing. Rocky Marciano and Evander Holyfield each defined fighting heart. Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather Jr. at times displayed flashes of skill and superiority of a kind rarely seen in a boxing ring. At his peak, Mike Tyson didn't so much knock out his opponents as send them flying across the ring.

Achievements: Blistering power or silky smooth boxing moves aren't enough. Boxing's landscape is littered with fighters whose achievements did not end up matching their skill or talent. Almost all the fighters on this list fought at or near the pinnacle of the sport for years -- most either won multiple world titles or defended one title multiple times. Stanley Ketchel defended his middleweight championship 11 times in a short life that ended at 24. Harry Greb won the middleweight title despite being half blind in one eye, and went on to fight light heavyweights and heavyweights. George Foreman won the heavyweight championship of the world, lost it, retired, came back 10 years later and regained the crown at age 45. Henry Armstrong held world championships at three weights at the same time.

The exceptions all have good reasons for being so. Sam Langford, for example, was denied the opportunity to ever contest a world championship bout. Marcel Cerdan was injured during the first defense of his middleweight title and died in a plane crash before he could win back his crown.

Dominance: A factor that arguably works against those from eras with deeper talent pools, but one which rewards those who stood out from among their peers. Joe Louis was heavyweight champion for 11 years. Robinson suffered just one defeat in his first 123 bouts. Cerdan lost only four times in 110 fights, and each of them was due to disqualification, dodgy judging or injury. Pep allegedly once won a round without throwing a punch.

Mainstream appeal: This is the wild-card element. It's a disadvantage for most modern fighters, who compete in a time when boxing is no longer a mainstream sport, but it also conversely greatly boosts the candidacies of those few contemporary boxers who have achieved crossover recognition. In particular, it substantially elevates De La Hoya and Tyson, two boxers who might otherwise not be as high on this list -- or even on it at all. De La Hoya is perhaps the only active boxer with widespread name recognition outside of boxing circles, and nobody brought a buzz to the sport in recent decades to anything like the degree of Tyson -- who, for better or worse, remains synonymous with modern boxing in the public mind.

This list, then, is not just the 50 greatest fighters of all time. It is the 50 fighters who were the greatest in their time. It is a tribute to the boxers who have gone before, and to those who have strived to reach the standard their predecessors have set.

Fifty different writers will have 50 different lists. At a time when boxing is frequently criticized and condemned to oblivion, there will, hopefully, be enough fresh blood and exciting developments in the sport to render this list irrelevant and to elevate a whole new generation of pugilists into the pantheon of boxing's greatest.

i can understand that , but what about tyson at 50? is there anyone on that list as fast and explosive as mike was? i know the guy is an asshole, but in his good days he was a fucking animal.

its best BOXERS, not most skilled or talented. Tyson would be top 10 talent wise ever, but its not a list bout that

36. Eder Jofre

brazil represent!

I have footage of Jofres fights with Harada[his only losses in 78 fights].He lost both by UD & SD over 15 rds & both were great give & take fights.
Jofre is largely unheard of but he was a great boxer puncher who always gets a mention amongst true historians.

Its all subjective, but personally I don't believe Muhammad Ali was the 2nd best boxer of all time. The best HW imo, but I believe guys like Roberto Duran, Marvin Hagler, Pernell Whitaker deserve to be higher than him (and thats just off the top of my head).

I'm not a big fan of the list, I absolutely fucking REFUSE to take any "top boxers list" serious that DOES NOT have Pernell Whitaker in the top 10. Sweetpea was in a whole different universe than most of the guys that were ranked above him.

Jofre is largely unheard of but he was a great boxer puncher who always gets a mention amongst true historians.


He also had one of the best comebacks in boxing history.

Isn't he a mayor in his home town in brazil now? I read he was extremely popular down there.

He also had one of the best comebacks in boxing history.

Isn't he a mayor in his home town in brazil now? I read he was extremely popular down there.

I believe ur correct brother bean.
The way whittaker dominated an unbeaten great like Chavez somehow goes unnoticed.
Pea never lost a fight till he was well past his prime.The loss against Ramirez was yet another robbery.

I firmly believe he never lost a fight until he fought Trinidad. And that was a drug-addicted 35 year old Pernell who was fresh out of rehab and hadn't fought in 2 years. Actually for Pernell to last the distance in that state, against that kind of fighter, says a lot more about Pernell than it does Trinidad.

For him to be so far behind a guy he completely schooled (JCC) is unbelievabe IMO

HE became a politician but not mayor. Now he has an academy.

You sure he wasn't mayor of Sao Paolo (SP?) at one point?

not mayor, its another position, i dont know in english...

to be mayor of sao paulo you gotta have loooots of money..

Ahhh, I've been misinformed then.

Ah well, mayor or not Jofre rules

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lets have the resident boxing expert make a list of the top 50 boxers

ven pmed me his list:

1-25: Mike Tyson
26-50: Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Thanks my HL video haha, I made that back in the summer of 2005!

ven pmed me his list:

1-25: Mike Tyson
26-50: Floyd Mayweather Jr.


LOL

I agree with that list for the most part, except mine looks like...

1-25- Mike Tyson
26-49- Floyd Mayweather
50- Gerald Mcclellan