this is pretty strange stuff, I personally don't believe in 9-11 being a conspiracy of any kind but if this is real its very disturbing and strange

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or

http://www.wikiprotest.com/index.php?title=BBC_Reported_Building_7_Had_Collap sed_20_Minutes_Before_It_Fell

bbc is just that good, reporting teh news.. before it happens

kind of like the bad guy from tommorow never dies

9-11 was an inside job.

The Illuminati are out there. Fuck the Bilderbergers, fuck the 13 bloodline reptiles.

it is FUCKED how many people think 9 -11 and the moon landing was a conspiracy

look how building 7 fell, it was a demolition

it is FUCKED how many people think 9 -11 and the moon landing was a conspiracy
especially the moon landing!

Bottom Line.....if YOU DON"T think 9/11 was a inside job, you need to check your logical thinking skills.


Just read the 9/11 Commisson Report......there's enough clues in there for you to connect the dots....

The Odds of 9/11 being a "one off" event are about the same as Lee Harvey Oswald hitting JFK three times with a bolt action Rifle while aiming through the tree that was in front of the sight line from the 6th floor of the texas school book depository

Bottom Line.....if YOU DON"T think 9/11 was a inside job, you need to check your logical thinking skills.


Just read the 9/11 Commisson Report......there's enough clues in there for you to connect the dots....

The Odds of 9/11 being a "one off" event are about the same as Lee Harvey Oswald hitting JFK three times with a bolt action Rifle while aiming through the tree that was in front of the sight line from the 6th floor of the texas school book depository

text book conspiracy theorist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald

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*the retard in this last one needs look at Gov Connally's reaction in the front seat of car, when he was struck with the same bullet that just tore through JFK's throat *from behind
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Get ready for another 9-11

Get ready for another 9-11

Bush is running out of time he needs another 9-11 or some kind of military reason to stay in office...only see what will happen in the next year.

where's bill o'reilly when you need him?left wing trouble makers.

9-11 was an inside job. The proof is in the pudding. The pudding god damn it!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Good read Ninja. I'm not sure on my stand over the 9-11 events but a good read none the less.

I feel compelled to put up a shit-load of links and pretend like I understand them all. I've read both sides, the facts are even disputed by physicists. We are left with a visceral understanding overall. And my final contention is that we are living with a government that very well could've done this to its own populace.

Dudeminds, don't just post up more links. I'm not arguing. That's just how I feel as I continue to study basic history.

My opinion. And I respect yours.

Ya'll should check out 9/11 Revisited.....It's a documentary that focuses only on the scientific evidence and not of any conspiracy. It's interesting because many engineers say there is no way those buildings could have fell in the way the government has declared.
And if you can't admit to that then your an idiot. I'm not saying there was a conspirscy, but there was definately something else going on.

I feel compelled to put up a shit-load of links and pretend like I understand them all. I've read both sides, the facts are even disputed by physicists. We are left with a visceral understanding overall. And my final contention is that we are living with a government that very well could've done this to its own populace.

Dudeminds, don't just post up more links. I'm not arguing. That's just how I feel as I continue to study basic history.

My opinion. And I respect yours.

good post.the more you look into history the more you realise that it is possible.

usa is pissing me off! ..... LOL

It's obvious 9/11 was an inside job. How can you deny the evidence at hand?

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm all of the conspiracy theorys have have been proved wrong by FACTS.see link.im not even gonna get into the whole thing but i need to say if you truley believe it was an inside job by the U.S. government you need to get on a plane and move to france .its jerkoffs like you that make our country look like shit to the rest of the world .I was on the veranzano bridge and saw the planes crash into the towers and had friends who were firefighters die there .All your inside job bullshit insults every last nypd an nyfd that went to that place on that shitty day when the fucking TERRORISTS crashed those planes.YOU FUCKING LOSERS

brainwash victim

im gay

wtf, why would you edit your post to say "I'm gay"

Anyways it turns out the the video was shot in front of a green screen. You can see how it doesent line up on the left side of her where you can see the real window.

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wtf, why would you edit your post to say "I'm gay"

haha,orwellian double think.

i didnt post that so somebody who who can change the posts did so.i actually referred to ld as one of the jerkoffs i was talking about

i didnt post that so somebody who who can change the posts did so.i actually referred to ld as one of the jerkoffs i was talking about

alight someones fuckin with shit, I just erased the post that said "Im gay"

ooh what a surprise the video was fake you mean demolition men really didnt drop the building .it goes to show how far conspiracy nuts will go to spread hate and mistrust.

Dudeminds and headwound please wake up.

Watch TERRORSTORM here's a link it's a history of false flag events that have led us to war each and every time for profit and control of the masses.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230

Also check out this BBC documentary about psychology and controlling the masses for the last 100 years. It's called century of self.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2637635365191428174&q=century+of+self&total=858&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-678466363224520614&q=century+of+self

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6111922724894802811&q=century+of+self

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1122532358497501036&q=century+of+self

Also watch this video the Ultimate Con it's made up from major media news clips and proves some sort of cover up went down.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=627379203035980403

I'm mean there is tons and tons of evidence.

Bush's little brother's contract to do security for the whole trade center complex ended on 9-11-01.

Larry Silverstien bought the entire WTC complex six weeks before for 225 million and took out a 3.5 billion dollar insurance policy on it. Here's a video of him saying they "pulled" or demolished WTC building 7

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How does a building that's further away from the buildings 1 and 2, than the buildings across the street that sustained little or no damage; Catch fire that destroyed all the steel main i beams then causing it fall in on itself into a perfect pile of rubble in its own foot print just three hours?

What about the tons of reports of explosions coming from the basment floors seconds before the planes hit?

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I mean come on the list goes on and on and on just look it up don't believe me jsut do more research.

ooh what a surprise the video was fake you mean demolition men really didnt drop the building .it goes to show how far conspiracy nuts will go to spread hate and mistrust.

So I take it you will take your brain RFID chip with out a struggle and will be a good little sheepeople and work 18 hours a day for food and shelter.

Brain RFID chips news article

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/300707_microchips_soldiers.html

Pentagon to implant microchips in soldiers

Adam Thomas / Press Esc | July 30, 2007

The Department of Defense is planning to implant microchips in soldiers' brains for monitoring their health information, and has already awarded a $1.6 million contract to the Center for Bioelectronics, Biosensors and Biochips (C3B) at Clemson University for the development of an implantable "biochip".

Soldiers fear that the biochip, about the size of a grain of rice, which measures and relays information on soldiers vital signs 24 hours a day, can be used to put them under surveillance even when they are off duty.

But Anthony Guiseppi-Elie, C3B director and Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering and Bioengineering claims the that the invivo biosensors will save lives as first responders to the trauma scene could inject the biochip into the wounded victim and gather data almost immediately.

He believes that the device has other long-term potential applications, such as monitoring astronauts’ vital signs during long-duration space flights and reading blood-sugar levels for diabetics.

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Pentagon to implant microchips in soldiers

Adam Thomas / Press Esc | July 30, 2007

The Department of Defense is planning to implant microchips in soldiers' brains for monitoring their health information, and has already awarded a $1.6 million contract to the Center for Bioelectronics, Biosensors and Biochips (C3B) at Clemson University for the development of an implantable "biochip".

Soldiers fear that the biochip, about the size of a grain of rice, which measures and relays information on soldiers vital signs 24 hours a day, can be used to put them under surveillance even when they are off duty.

But Anthony Guiseppi-Elie, C3B director and Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering and Bioengineering claims the that the invivo biosensors will save lives as first responders to the trauma scene could inject the biochip into the wounded victim and gather data almost immediately.

He believes that the device has other long-term potential applications, such as monitoring astronauts’ vital signs during long-duration space flights and reading blood-sugar levels for diabetics.



“We now lose a large percentage of patients to bleeding, and getting vital information such as how much oxygen is in the tissue back to ER physicians and medical personnel can often mean the difference between life and death,” said Guiseppi-Elie. “Our goal is to improve the quality and expediency of care for fallen soldiers and civilian trauma victims.” The biochip also may be injected as a precaution to future traumas."

Clemson scientists have formulated a gel that mimics human tissue and reduces the chances of the body rejecting the biochip, which has been a problem in the past.

The researcher predicts the biochip is five years away from human trials, and the DoD could start implanting microchips in soldiers bodies soon after.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm all of the conspiracy theorys have have been proved wrong by FACTS.see link.im not even gonna get into the whole thing but i need to say if you truley believe it was an inside job by the U.S. government you need to get on a plane and move to france .its jerkoffs like you that make our country look like shit to the rest of the world .I was on the veranzano bridge and saw the planes crash into the towers and had friends who were firefighters die there .All your inside job bullshit insults every last nypd an nyfd that went to that place on that shitty day when the fucking TERRORISTS crashed those planes.YOU FUCKING LOSERS

Terrorists funded by the CIA.
24. summer 2001 (est.) - Pakistani ISI Chief Gen. Ahmad (see above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta who was, according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide hijackings. Ahmad recently resigned after the transfer was disclosed in India and confirmed by the FBI. The individual who makes the wire transfer at Ahmad's direction is Ahmad Umar Sheik, the lead suspect in the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. [Source: The Times of India, Oct.11, 2001.]

Osama met with the CIA at a US military hospital in Dubai six weeks before 9-11-01.

And if all these new aren;t a pretext to martial law I don't know what is.

New executive orders and meanings

Executive Order Number


Meaning

10900


Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.

10995


Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

10997


Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.

10998


Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

11000


Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

11001


Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.

11002


Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.

11003


Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

11004


Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

11005


Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.

11051


Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

11310


Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

11049


Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

11921

Or look at this time line of events leading to 9-11-01

24. summer 2001 (est.) - Pakistani ISI Chief Gen. Ahmad (see above) orders an aide to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta who was, according to the FBI, the lead terrorist in the suicide hijackings. Ahmad recently resigned after the transfer was disclosed in India and confirmed by the FBI. The individual who makes the wire transfer at Ahmad's direction is Ahmad Umar Sheik, the lead suspect in the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. [Source: The Times of India, Oct.11, 2001.]

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

So no one wants to "debunk" why ISI the Pakistani CIA gave Osama's main hijacker $100,000 months before 9-11-01?

So no one wants to "debunk" why ISI the Pakistani CIA gave Osama's main hijacker $100,000 months before 9-11-01?

Come one any one going to debunk it?

Anyways it turns out the the video was shot in front of a green screen. You can see how it doesent line up on the left side of her where you can see the real window.

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Even then the time is still way off.

Even then the time is still way off.

I havent watched the whole thing in detail but others have said theres no timestamp at any point.

Proof from the BBC archives...

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Even then the time is still way off.

the vid of the collapse was from bbc and that was very truthful except for the green screen and it all being complete bullshit,anything supposedly from bbc reports i wouldnt give a bucket of piss for,and are you kidding me with those lame ass bullshit websites you getting your info from what cred do these people have i can do the same thing and spew my opinions also .you really think that half this shit wouldnt be all over the american newspapers and not papers from india and other foreign papers you wanna quote from ,if it had any truth or facts to it,well probably not because the gov controls the news as well . beleive what you want its a free country and its your right but get your head outta the ass of those hate websites .some of the things you wrote have little truth to them but are twisted to the writers own point of view and agenda.This is an un winable debate as it is a debate about opinions. this is how i myself feel ,beleive what you like .http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm you want debunk go to this web it has replies for all your conspiracy .

This is just one of many examples of quote mining from the "Truth" movement .ok now heres my proof why all your proof is bullshit.

Featured Article:

Computer Modeling of Collapse of World Trade Center Towers
http://www.structuremag.org/archives/2007/March%202007/D-Spotlight-ComputerModeling-Mar07.pdf

Mike Walter illustrates how conspiracy theorists take peoples quotes out of context. This is just one of many examples of quote mining from the "Truth" movement.



New sites:

11-Settembre (Italian site)
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/

Unfastened Coins
http://maddox.xmission.com/

Interesting reads:

9/11 Truth is a bald regurgitation of a silly tale we heard ten years ago
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12131349/
911_truth_bald_regurgitation_of_another_bombing_co nspiracy/1

The Mindset of 911 Scholars for Truth and Other Conspiracy Kooks Opinions on a Phenomena
http://www.elmerfudd.us/kooks911.htm


Understand the NIST report...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sund-flash.html

BBC's 911: The Conspiracy Files



9/11 Conspiracy Debunking Sites...

A must read!
9-11 and the New Pearl Harbor
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2577/9_11_and_the_
New_Pearl_Harbor_Part_I

Journal Of Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
http://www.jod911.com

Debunking 9/11's E-Mail - Please read the FAQ before sending
debunk911@hotmail.com

911 Myths - Reading between the lines
http://www.911myths.com

Screw Loose Change Blog
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

Debunk 9/11 myths
http://www.debunk911myths.org/
Internet Detectives Group - Loose Change
http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change

The 9/11 Debunker Guide
http://911debunker.livejournal.com/

Screw Loose Change - Not Freakin' Again edition
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6596630292015140276&hl=en-CA

9/11, Steven Jones, and Me
http://ldspatriot.wordpress.com/tag/conspiracy-theories/

Your Friday Dose of Woo: And now for something completely different...
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2006/12/
your_friday_dose_of_woo_and_now_for_some.php

911 Cult Watch
http://www.911cultwatch.org.uk

What I Learned from 9-11 Conspiracy Theories.
http://www.sawyerhome.net/whatilearned.html

Pentagon & Boeing 757 Engine Investigation
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

Pentagon & Boeing 757 Ground Effect
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml

Counterpunch The Physics of 9/11
http://www.counterpunch.org/physic11282006.html

The 9/11 Faith Movement
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2702/

Attempting to make sense of senseless acts
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=903b3f4a-2e6c-47b4-b710-632c1439aacc&p=1

Did the U.S. government plan and execute the 9/11 attacks?
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html

Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, Already
http://www.alternet.org/story/41601/

9/11 Conspiracy Fantasies
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/41423/

All Plots Move Deathward
http://insidehighered.com/views/2006/09/06/mclemee

9/11 Conspiracy Theories Persist, Thrive
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2281052

Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html

Popular Mechanics - 9/11: Debunking The Myths
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Fahrenheit 2777
9/11 has generated the mother of all conspiracy theories
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000DA0E2-1E15-128A-9E1583414B7F0000

The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll
http://www.nymetro.com/news/features/16464/

Facts about 9/11. Not Fantasy
http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/

The September 11 X-Files
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=66

The 9/11 Conspiracy: A Skeptic’s View
http://www.crisispapers.org/essays6p/skeptic.htm

Debunking the 9/11 Movement
http://www.infoshop.org/texts/debunking911.html

Interview with Prof. Jonathan Barnett, an expert in structural and fire protection engineering who was one of the WTC investigators
http://www.wpi.edu/News/Transformations/2002Spring/fall.html
Public Eye - Post 9/11 Conspiracism
http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/Post911/demnowfaq.html

Public Eye- 9/11/01 - Repercussions General Conspiracist Views
http://www.publiceye.org/frontpage/911/conspiracist.html
Perry Logon's "Delusion Central" (A fun site.)
http://perrylogan.org/

Viewer Guide to Loose Change (Doc)
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/911_loose_change_2_guide_1.doc

9-11 Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide (A light hearted look)
http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html
Screw Loose Change Video. (Yes, it's finally here)
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Loose Trains
http://loosetrains911.blogspot.com/

Penn & Teller's Bull Shit - 911 Conspiracy theories
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=penn+teller+911

Salon - The 9/11 deniers
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index.html

SciAm blog about conspiracists' reaction to Shermer
http://sciam-editor.typepad.com/weblog1/2005/05/a_conspiracy_of.html

In These Times: Nightmares of Reason: Sorting fact from fiction in 9/11 conspiracy theories
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/15/feature1.shtml

The September 11 X-Files
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=66

Snopes debunks "Hunt the Boeing", a conspiracy site based on Thierry Meysan’s (and David Ray Griffin’s) claim that a missile, not AA77, hit the Pentagon
http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Wikipedia articles on conspiracy theory characteristics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theories
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracism
It Was Flight 77 - Debunking Alternative Pentagon Crash Theories
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/




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Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed..

Engineers Explain WTC Collapse
http://www.architectureweek.com/2002/0529/news_3-1.html

Report Ties WTC Collapses to Column Failures
http://enr.construction.com/news/buildings/archives/040119.asp

IT WAS THE FIRE, CAUSED THE TWIN TOWER COLLAPSE - icivilengineer.com
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/Fire.html

Simulation for the collapse of WTC after aeroplane impact - Lu XZ., Yang N., Jiang JJ. Structure Engineer, 66(sup.). 2003, 18-22

Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
"Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.

Brannigan, F.L.
"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

"Construction and Collapse Factors"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

Corbett, G.P.
"Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

"Dissecting the Collapses"
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.

Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
(also available on-line)

Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A.
"Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center"
The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.

Glover, N.J.
"Collapse Lessons"
Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103

Marechaux, T.G.
"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering"
JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.

Monahan, B.
"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations"
Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.

Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D.
"Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?"
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.

National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs
“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.

Pinsker, Lisa, M.
"Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site"
Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001).
The print copy has 3-D images.

Public Broadcasting Station (PBS)
Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary.
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Eduardo Kausel, John E. Fernandez, Tomasz Wierzbicki, Liang Xue, Meg Hendry-Brogan, Ahmed F. Ghoniem, Oral Buyukozturk, Franz-
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pure comedy.

A lot of your link's don't even work and one is even a link to some one's email...

GOOGLE MUCH?

its ahttp://www.debunking911.com/pull.htmll its all on the web address thats on my post and no i dont much i have a life.the point being every web address you post up about how it was all an inside job ill put up just as many proving them wrong it goes round and round

But none of those sites covered half the questions I asked and challenged hardly any of the points I made.

But none of those sites covered half the questions I asked and challenged hardly any of the points I made.
Points you made or points you took from a conspiracy website and regurgitated?

Points you made or points you took from a conspiracy website and regurgitated?

And how does one learn things by reading both sides weighing out the facts and making a decision. Then down play me for using the internet term "owned" and in the same sentence call my actions douchebaggery? Isn't that hypocritical?

And really it's not just one website is it? There is tons and tons of evidence to examine. Go do some actual research. Read the 9-11 commissions report. And that's just on the subject of 9-11.

I don't see you attacking any of my others threads about the NAU ect. Oh wait you don't attack my points or threads you just make personal attacks on me. You don't even know me. You don't know what I have read or studied on any of these subjects.

Stop trolling my threads unless you have something intelligent to add.

And how does one learn things by reading both sides weighing out the facts and making a decision. Then down play me for using the internet term "owned" and in the same sentence call my actions douchebaggery? Isn't that hypocritical?

And really it's not just one website is it? There is tons and tons of evidence to examine. Go do some actual research. Read the 9-11 commissions report. And that's just on the subject of 9-11.

I don't see you attacking any of my others threads about the NAU ect. Oh wait you don't attack my points or threads you just make personal attacks on me. You don't even know me. You don't know what I have read or studied on any of these subjects.

Stop trolling my threads unless you have something intelligent to add.
Kermit my dear, you misunderstand. Since the term 'owned' is so prevelant in internet conversations, it would be a little harsh of me to judge you a douchebag for the use of that term. I was merely struck by your stupidity regarding an interview posted in another thread.
Regarding your subject matter, I really don't feel I have to comment on the things you post because 1) 'headwound' has supplied links where experts in their given field debunk the fantasy nonsense your websites concoct and 2) you have failed to discuss them in any intelligent way. This due to the fact that you are clearly a 'cut and paste merchant'.
I probably would not have posted at all if you had kept your nonsense from seeping out into several threads where one or two would have sufficed. You could have been skipping along Lunatic Lane non the wiser but alas I have come crashing upon the fantasy scene with reality in tow.
I suggest you indulge your interest in politics, current events, history etc. with literature that does not come from the Alex Jones Big Book of Crazy or other such nitwits/ loonies/ sheisters.

I definatley could not have said it better myself .Rep meeps .

Kermit my dear, you misunderstand. Since the term 'owned' is so prevelant in internet conversations, it would be a little harsh of me to judge you a douchebag for the use of that term. I was merely struck by your stupidity regarding an interview posted in another thread.
Regarding your subject matter, I really don't feel I have to comment on the things you post because 1) 'headwound' has supplied links where experts in their given field debunk the fantasy nonsense your websites concoct and 2) you have failed to discuss them in any intelligent way. This due to the fact that you are clearly a 'cut and paste merchant'.
I probably would not have posted at all if you had kept your nonsense from seeping out into several threads where one or two would have sufficed. You could have been skipping along Lunatic Lane non the wiser but alas I have come crashing upon the fantasy scene with reality in tow.
I suggest you indulge your interest in politics, current events, history etc. with literature that does not come from the Alex Jones Big Book of Crazy or other such nitwits/ loonies/ sheisters.


Well I feel I have given enough to the discussion to prove your little website is not any sort of useful source for news, whereas you have offered nothing but irrelevant points and questions.
As for the insults, well I need to entertain myself and anyone else reading and there is little malice in what I have dished so far. I could be more acerbic if I am so moved.

You say I don't read outside of Alex Jones how about the official white house website?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060331.html

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I could go on but what ever....

its at http://www.debunking911.com/pull.html

I don't live in the US, so this whole 911 thing isn't that big a deal in the rest of the world is it is there. I just had a look at that site and you probably don't want to use it to support your argument. That site reeks of irrational emotionality. It's good for a laugh, but don't use it as a reference as it's lack of credibility will rub off on you.

Kermit my dear, you misunderstand. Since the term 'owned' is so prevelant in internet conversations, it would be a little harsh of me to judge you a douchebag for the use of that term. I was merely struck by your stupidity regarding an interview posted in another thread.
Regarding your subject matter, I really don't feel I have to comment on the things you post because 1) 'headwound' has supplied links where experts in their given field debunk the fantasy nonsense your websites concoct and 2) you have failed to discuss them in any intelligent way. This due to the fact that you are clearly a 'cut and paste merchant'.
I probably would not have posted at all if you had kept your nonsense from seeping out into several threads where one or two would have sufficed. You could have been skipping along Lunatic Lane non the wiser but alas I have come crashing upon the fantasy scene with reality in tow.
I suggest you indulge your interest in politics, current events, history etc. with literature that does not come from the Alex Jones Big Book of Crazy or other such nitwits/ loonies/ sheisters.

yea these experts are the same type of corporate toddy's that said ciggerettes won't give you cancer,your one of those people that beleive people like bill oreilly and glen beck aren't you?

You say I don't read outside of Alex Jones how about the official white house website?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060331.html

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I could go on but what ever....

good vids kermit,don't stop posting real news clips even though they're WAY over headwound and meepins heads.

I don't live in the US, so this whole 911 thing isn't that big a deal in the rest of the world is it is there. I just had a look at that site and you probably don't want to use it to support your argument. That site reeks of irrational emotionality. It's good for a laugh, but don't use it as a reference as it's lack of credibility will rub off on you.

since you dont live in the US shut the fuck up .:gives:

since you dont live in the US shut the fuck up .:gives:

The things is man the people in control don't want countries they want a one world government. Steps like the NAU and EU are moving us towards that and away from free trade and human rights. And even if you don't believe 9-11 was an inside job it was used as a catalyst in this country to use a preplanned attack on our civil rights and liberties and especially the constitution. That project is called "Project for a New American Century".


http://www.newamericancentury.org/

http://www.oilempire.us/pnac.html

since you dont live in the US shut the fuck up .:gives:

Too late! I see that the irrational emotionality from that site has already rubbed off. :taunt:

tumbleweedToo late! I see that the irrational emotionality from that site has already rubbed off. :taunt:

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