Anyone here think it was a good idea?

nope.

not me.

Absolutely NO

Im still waiting for an explanation for why they went there in the first place

Hell No!!!!

Anyone here think it was a good idea?

Quintessential hindsight being 20/20. As much as a colossal fuck up this war is, if we just pull out now it will be worse than ever.

Quintessential hindsight being 20/20. As much as a colossal fuck up this war is, if we just pull out now it will be worse than ever.

yeah I dont think they CAN pull out now, The Aussies are going back to Afghanistan apparantly

Considering theres guys on their 4th tour and guys not even getting their benefits even though they are semi retarded from getting shrapnel in their heads they with need to pull out or start a draft.

The election is coming up too soon though, no sense in starting a draft when the war could end with the next election.

I glad I never enlisted, thse guys are getting ripped off. Noone should have to see combat a 4th time around.

kill everyone there. nuke the whole fuckin middle east! :devil-smiley: :devil-smiley: :devil-smiley: :devil-smiley:

I agree with is although alot of mistakes were made.

Bush can suck my mother fuckin dick as far as i am concerned, our boys that have been there more than twice have no business going back, I can't say that bring them home now will be of any good but they need to get this cleared up enough to send our boys home. If fuckhead bush would just get his head up out of his ass and realize that he CANNOT get rid of terrorism then the world would be a better place. does he not know that allthough he might have got rid of Saddam and his generals there will ALWAYS be someone there to step up and take control. Soon we will be under attack again thanks to that prick.

Considering theres guys on their 4th tour and guys not even getting their benefits even though they are semi retarded from getting shrapnel in their heads they with need to pull out or start a draft.

The election is coming up too soon though, no sense in starting a draft when the war could end with the next election.

I glad I never enlisted, thse guys are getting ripped off. Noone should have to see combat a 4th time around.

That's the fucked up part. Too bad we can't pull out and let them know that we will leave them alone until they fuck with us again, then we turn the middle east into a parking lot if they try any more attacks on us.

I agree with is although alot of mistakes were made.

As much as I hated saddam. I dont think you can counter evil with evil. U see the Bush lied from the beginning. He should have invaded Iraq for the right reason. And I think there were vested interests.

What did Iraqi people got back in bargain. American Government promised to end tyranny and ensure peace. The women are more insecure than b4. The corruption is rampant. A lot of culturally imp stuff has been lost. People are dying. A war is abt planning. There was no concrete plans. Thats y the mistakes. People are killing each other. I wont blame bush coz he did what he thought was right. Its just that he should not be the leader of the country which has so much influence in the world.

My cousin is over there righ now so I have to support his mission to the end, but like I said alot of mistakes were made and now our military is there just to keep peace and thats NOT what a military is for.

As much as I hated saddam. I dont think you can counter evil with evil. U see the Bush lied from the beginning. He should have invaded Iraq for the right reason. And I think there were vested interests.

the reason Bush invaded Iraq was cause he had a grudge with him because his daddy couldn't finish the job when we were there the first time back in the early 90's ( got out of the army 2 1/2 yrs prior) that is the ONLY reason he invaded Iraq, Bush said he invaded Iraq because they were harboring Bin-Ladden and everyone knows thats a bunch of bullshit because Afgahnastan was harboring Bin-Ladden.

the Army is a big MMA sponser. That makes me sceptical of some fighters' overly patriotic displays, are they just brown-noseing for sponsers. I thought Jeff Munson showed balls in his post Pride press conference by voicing his protest(in a very repectful way) of the Iraq war. Although I share his opinion, this is not a treand I would encourage. Martial arts history is full of great practittionares who had problems when they throw religion and politcs in the mix.

the reason Bush invaded Iraq was cause he had a grudge with him because his daddy couldn't finish the job when we were there the first time back in the early 90's ( got out of the army 2 1/2 yrs prior) that is the ONLY reason he invaded Iraq, Bush said he invaded Iraq because they were harboring Bin-Ladden and everyone knows thats a bunch of bullshit because Afgahnastan was harboring Bin-Ladden.

I agree, it was a combination of that, the war profits, the reconstruction profits and the fact that Saddam was threatening to sell oil for euros instead of just US dollars.

Im not sure how much I believe Micheal Moore but the documentary showed some good evidence that Bush is actually profiting from this war.

There was no planning at all we just rushed in there immedietly and the only reason Bush was able to pull a fast one on us was the mention of possible nukes. The thing with Iraq hiding stuff from inspectors didnt help either.

I would never claim to be an expert in current events or world affairs or even know much about them but even I can see that this whole thing is very conspiritorial, scary and people are dying with no clear reason why.

I was opposed to it when it started, and I'm opposed to it now.

Everyone who voted for Bush in 2004 needs to go sign up for the Marines RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

Quintessential hindsight being 20/20. As much as a colossal fuck up this war is, if we just pull out now it will be worse than ever.

What will be worse?

That's the fucked up part. Too bad we can't pull out and let them know that we will leave them alone until they fuck with us again, then we turn the middle east into a parking lot if they try any more attacks on us.


Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... You're part of the whole "Iraq attacked us on 911" crowd??? You better clarify this nonsense or I'm eliminating you from my friends list.

Who is "they" exactly? All brown people must die for what happened on 9/11? I don't get it.

Al Quaeda was on a decline but when we invaded Iraq it sparked a train of events that gave Bin Laden exactly what he wanted. A resource draining war on his enemy and more Al Quaeda recruits than he could ever hope for.

I blame the Liberals....

The Bush administration is WAY the most corrupt in history. He's lied out right to the about his generals asking for a troop increase in Iraq

Bush admin > Regen admin hard

Edit

why hasn't bush been assassinated yet?? I mean really nobody likes the guy and he's killing thousands of yoru mothers,fathers, brothers and sisters..

and many more iraqi's..
sure thers alot of bitching but very little action.. I say you guys take the war to him :D and make the emotion and fear as real as possible for the clown..


anybody see "bush familly fortunes"?? i'll post it, that should piss you guys right off..

http://ninjashoes.net/forum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=11

this is where things went wrong for you americans, it depicts the tragedy in detail..

After seeign bush in flesh n blood, is it safe to say hitler came back in different form??

I blame the Liberals....

Yeah, and you think Santa Claus created Evolution.

Go to college you fuckin idiot.

** or better yet, since you support this President and his war, go sign up for the Marines.

^^^ your funny


I tried to join the Marines but I have asthma...

^^^ your funny


I tried to join the Marines but I have asthma...

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BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

I blame The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I blame The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Well, teh FSM is the Alpha and the Omega, the Creator of all. Nothing goes on with His knowledge or approval.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... You're part of the whole "Iraq attacked us on 911" crowd??? You better clarify this nonsense or I'm eliminating you from my friends list.

Who is "they" exactly? All brown people must die for what happened on 9/11? I don't get it.

Despite that threat, I will indeed clarify. I would like us to wash our hands of the whole mess and just leave tomorrow. However if we did that, it would create an environment where the forces against us would be able to organize more easily. So what I would like to see is us say ok, you want us out? We're out. We will leave you alone and you leave us alone, but if we are attacked by any forces traced back to that area, we level it.

I do not agree with the war, but I do support our troops who are laying their lives out there. My good bud shipped out a while ago and is Afgani I believe. It sucks but he along with all the rest should be supported and properly rewarded.

Despite that threat, I will indeed clarify. I would like us to wash our hands of the whole mess and just leave tomorrow. However if we did that, it would create an environment where the forces against us would be able to organize more easily. So what I would like to see is us say ok, you want us out? We're out. We will leave you alone and you leave us alone, but if we are attacked by any forces traced back to that area, we level it.

The longer we stay, the more "payback" we will incure. Make no mistake, we will incure payback for what we have done. We decided to play a game of GI Joe in another country. We WILL suffer for what we've done, and we will deserve it.

Prior to the invasion we had a pretty clear enemy: followers of Wahabi Islam. The theology is out of Saudi Arabia, the base was in Afghanistan- fundamentalist wackos. We played paint ball with these idiots in Afghanastan for a week. And then we invaded a country that HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM! And we have been embroiled in a no-win debacle ever since. No way to win, no way to save face, no way to protect ourselves from the obligatory repercussions we have indeed created with out own hubris.

As a result, now we have many, many, many more enemies than we did on 9/12.

We need to leave now... But, I am not opposed to a situation where we round up every American who voted for GW Bush in 2004 and send THEM to Iraq to stabalize the country (ie: be targets for people who hate us). Let the American's who started and supported this war go fight it... Unfortunately for people like me, the Americans who started this war are a bunch of fucking pussies and cowards.

;467624']I do not agree with the war, but I do support our troops who are laying their lives out there. My good bud shipped out a while ago and is Afgani I believe. It sucks but he along with all the rest should be supported and properly rewarded.

1- we have a volunteer military. I feel no pity for soldiers who made a conscious choice to fight this war. They had access to the same information that I did.

2- if we agree that this war is illegitimate to begin with, and that no real purpose is being served by us being there in force, how are you "supporting the troops" by in effect, supporting an illegitimate and purposeless mission??

3- 75% of homeless men in America are Vietnam Vets. Anybody who continues to fall for the whole "we support the troops at home" nonsense needs to go hang with them for a week. When we send our men to war, we do not reward them. Another sad fact of our country.

3- 75% of homeless men in America are Vietnam Vets. Anybody who continues to fall for the whole "we support the troops at home" nonsense needs to go hang with them for a week. When we send our men to war, we do not reward them. Another sad fact of our country.

75%? Who do you get your facts from? The USA Today?

;467640']75%? Who do you get your facts from? The USA Today?

Well, to be more specific:


About 25% of all incarcerated people are Viet Nam Vets. (Most are non-violent crimes).
56% of all homeless Americans are veterans, 44% are Viet Nam Vets.I suppose it would be more like 81% if you couple the Homless w/the Incarcerated.

http://www.capveterans.com/caprd_004.htm

http://www.iugm.org/news/vets-98.html

http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm

bush's legacy is going to make tricky dick look like a saint.

I dont get Bush and people who call themselves terror experts. If someone aka people in the middle east, england, world-wide hate someone or something and its big enough to kill themselves to prove a point...how can u win a war like that. Simply you cant people now adays hate america and not just the arabics but the WORLD! This aint no post WW2 world where people loved america people hate them and think that us americans are evil..to simply put the war in Iraq will be won when people no longer exist and there's no one to kill anymore, al-queda may be dead but who cares the world dont need a master mind all u need is fertilizer a timer and hatred and that will kill mad people. Fuck the Iraq war=Pointless

Osama is in Pakistan ( a nuke yielding nation ) Nuklear weapon threat from N.Korea and Iran and yet Bush decides to go into the 2 poorest nations in the middle east? Please..

Tbh, it's an embaressment to be affiliated with Bush's regime.

I liked Clinton. I'd rather a guy fucked a hot Polish chick behind his wifes back, than a guy that..
I can't be arsed to write a list about Bush it would be to repetitive, the guy is a fuckin dumb dumb.

no, poll?

The Iraq war is bullshit, and I'm pist that Bush and his butt buddies could fuck over the men and women of the military.

Anyone here think it was a good idea?

Anyone who thinks this war is a good idea better be posting from a marine barracks... YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE COWARDS!!!!

War should always be a last resort, but when 90% of the worlds leaders think there is a threat War may be the only choice.

War should always be a last resort, but when 90% of the worlds leaders think there is a threat War may be the only choice.

How many of those 90% were democratically elected?

90%.. tonga, micronesia and palau arent 90%

"In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more the very kind of threat Iraq poses now -- a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed.

If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program." -Bill Clinton 1998

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies.
If Saddam persists in thumbing his nose at the inspectors, then we're clearly going to have to do something about it." -Howard Dean, Democratic Presidential Candidate 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict." -Senator Harry Reid, 2002

"It is the duty of any president, in the final analysis, to defend this nation and dispel the security threat. Saddam Hussein has brought military action upon himself by refusing for 12 years to comply with the mandates of the United Nations. The brave and capable men and women of our armed forces and those who are with us will quickly, I know, remove him once and for all as a threat to his neighbors, to the world, and to his own people, and I support their doing so." -Senator John Kerry 2003

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...

It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -Senator Hillary Clinton, 2002

republicrats

Osama is in Pakistan ( a nuke yielding nation ) Nuklear weapon threat from N.Korea and Iran and yet Bush decides to go into the 2 poorest nations in the middle east? Please..

Tbh, it's an embaressment to be affiliated with Bush's regime.

I liked Clinton. I'd rather a guy fucked a hot Polish chick behind his wifes back, than a guy that..
I can't be arsed to write a list about Bush it would be to repetitive, the guy is a fuckin dumb dumb.

Welcome to 2003...

Welcome to 2003...

Yup exactly my point, 5 years on from that and still not fuck all done.

Bullying 2 poor nations when they are not the biggest threat, I find cowardly.
In my opinion, America has not yet avenged or dealt with the 9/11 attacks.

Yup exactly my point, 5 years on from that and still not fuck all done.

Bullying 2 poor nations when they are not the biggest threat, I find cowardly.
In my opinion, America has not yet avenged or dealt with the 9/11 attacks.

I agree.

it's all the fault of the french, they where right...blame them!


Freedom fries!

I approve of the war all hail George Bush

http://instapunk.com/images/bush_hitler02.jpg

No I'm against it but I'm all for seeing a few hundred thousand radical muslims reach their expiration dates. I'm sure a few MOABs would make that a reality.

Bush actually lost the first election.

Bush actually lost the first election.

i have always found it ironic how he always talks about "democracy"

I'm sure you all know my stand point on this.

links in sig. Watch TERRORSTORM in the war room.