Which do you think is better and why?

Im going with boxing since 50% of fights are like one cheap shot then over.

boxing... poll ninja?

It all depends on the situation. Boxing would be my first choice and always has been since I don't know BJJ. It would be very dangerous to pull guard on someone in a street fight unless you have some of your friends there to keep other people from kicking you in the head to help out their buddy. That would be counter-productive.

It all depends on the situation. Boxing would be my first choice and always has been since I don't know BJJ. It would be very dangerous to pull guard on someone in a street fight unless you have some of your friends there to keep other people from kicking you in the head to help out their buddy. That would be counter-productive.

yea same here. thats the reason i was thinking of.

Boxing for sure.
Street fights only last about a minute, and they start on the feet.
You can end a fight quick, and get the hell outta there.
I would never go to the ground in a street fight.

Friends coming in and kicking you..Biting, eye gouging, groin pulling, hair grabbing, WAY to much stuff to worry about when you are fighting just a nobody...I know it maybe won't kill you, but it's really uncomfortable to grapple with a stranger, you never know what they will do.

And nobody likes getting hit in the face, especially by a bareknuckled boxer.
I think there is nothing better than knocking someone out with a left hook to the chin..

Boxing, like el guapo says: left hook, right straight.

Depends. I say both.

you should prolly take up wrestling on the other hand, so you can sprawl out of there weak takedown attempts.

it's a rare luxury to have your choice. for non sport self defence I would chose chain or baton skills.

Looks like its boxing by 100%

I think boxing plus Judo would pwn since you can slam people, your used to grappling and used to using chokes that involved jackets or shirts, your balance is phenomenal for keeping the fight standing and you know some subs

switch Judo with wrestling and its pretty good too

I would dislike BJJ for a streetfight since BJJ encourages you to be floppy and lay on your back, the takedowns and takedown defense suck

BJJ rules for submissions though

Looks like its boxing by 100%

I think boxing plus Judo would pwn since you can slam people, your used to grappling and used to using chokes that involved jackets or shirts, your balance is phenomenal for keeping the fight standing and you know some subs

switch Judo with wrestling and its pretty good too

I would dislike BJJ for a streetfight since BJJ encourages you to be floppy and lay on your back, the takedowns and takedown defense suck

BJJ rules for submissions though

yeah..
BJJ is also a slow paced game, and you won't to get the fight over with quick enough in a street fight.

Boxing for sure.
Street fights only last about a minute, and they start on the feet.
You can end a fight quick, and get the hell outta there.
I would never go to the ground in a street fight.

Friends coming in and kicking you..Biting, eye gouging, groin pulling, hair grabbing, WAY to much stuff to worry about when you are fighting just a nobody...I know it maybe won't kill you, but it's really uncomfortable to grapple with a stranger, you never know what they will do.

And nobody likes getting hit in the face, especially by a bareknuckled boxer.
I think there is nothing better than knocking someone out with a left hook to the chin..


Groin PULLING? lol

i'd go with boxing

boxing... mabye a few kicks to da ballz as well

Boxing, like el guapo says: left hook, right straight.

Actually Bas says straight first because there's a better chance of it landing. If you throw a hook they only need to lean back a bit a you've missed unlike the right/left straight.

Thai Boxing, a couple leg kicks and a knee to the head. Are a nice, warm welcome to anyone.

Thai Boxing, a couple leg kicks and a knee to the head. Are a nice, warm welcome to anyone.

Leg kicks are useless in a street fight.

Ideally it should be everything and then you would never feel uncofortable in a street fight but I would probably take boxing and wrestling. Keeping it on the feet and sprawling seems like the safest for one of those organized street fights. However, if it's just some crazy motherfucker that attacks you out of nowhere and he doesn't have any friends with him, I would say bjj so that you can choke him fast and get the hell outta there.

Leg kicks are useless in a street fight.

I wouldnt say that, leg kicks are possibly the most dangerous weapon in a street fight since hardly anyone will be expecting them or know how to defend them.

Can you imagine fighting a thai boxer and instantly your leg is broke?

I wouldnt say that, leg kicks are possibly the most dangerous weapon in a street fight since hardly anyone will be expecting them or know how to defend them.

Can you imagine fighting a thai boxer and instantly your leg is broke?

It is very hard to throw a leg kick when someone is pressuring you coming forward with punching.
A leg kick isn't gonna KO anyone, it's just gonna bug the shit outta them..

Bas Rutten even said leg kicks are risky, even more so in a street fight..You have the risk of getting your foot caught, and getting taken down, counter striked getting clocked over the top with a nice punch, and it takes along time to recover from it if you miss, way more than a punch..
It's just risky to throw a leg kick..

Right straight, left hook, get it over with.

I mean whatever is comfortable for you, and your style..I just dont like it.
I just like punching.

Boxing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

He, he, he....:aggressive:

Risky throwing a high kick too... I've been caught with a fuckin high kick while I was circling a guy before.... not cool especially since he hit me with like 3 more punches as I dropped

Boxing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

He, he, he....:aggressive:


Yeah booii!!

Boxing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU

He, he, he....:aggressive:

damn that was sick reminded me of oldboy kinda

I work as a bouncer so I've seen enough fights to know that fists are the #1 most important thing in a street fight. You want to take a guy out as quickly as possible and there is no better way than a punch to the jaw. Anyone who would pull gaurd on someone in a street fight is a moron. You don't wanna be lying on the ground with someone who could drive his finger into your eye, bite you, headbutt you, or have his buddies kick your head like a soccer ball.
Muay thai is great too, you'll always see guys get caught up in each other and grab each other. If you can knee well from the clinch you're in good shape.

But boxing is the most important, because you learn to throw hard, straight punches that are killer on the street, and you learn how to easily block and avoid the wild windmill haymakers that you see in 95% of street fights.

I wouldnt say that, leg kicks are possibly the most dangerous weapon in a street fight since hardly anyone will be expecting them or know how to defend them.

Can you imagine fighting a thai boxer and instantly your leg is broke?

But the thing is they are WAY too risky. In a streetfight, you don't have time to stretch out, you may be wearing pants that hinder the way you are used to throwing kicks, and there is no way for you to know the integrity of the ground under you. You could hurt the guy, or you could end up on your ass. Better to keep both feet on the ground.

another big advantage of the boxer is that you are used to get hit. to know how to take a shoot to the head is very important in a streetfight. and that´s something only time and sparring can teach you.

you should know ground work so you know how not getting down to the ground, and you should know boxing, but you should know to use your legs too

boxing is the most important for one reson you understand how to block and dodge shots from any angle and u also can throw a mean shot and aim for a one hitter quitter

Of the two, I'd choose boxing. It depends on the scenario though. For a plain-old street fight, boxing definately. For a disorderly friend or relative who's had a few too many, a submission beats bashing in his face.

I've actually had success in the street with aikido. People in the street expect you to punch and kick, maybe go for a tackle. A spiral fracture from a san-kyo or being knocked on your ass with a kokyu-nage comes out of nowhere.

Though it wasn't one of the options, I'd prefer a quick mouth over boxing or bjj. Most street fights I've seen have not been one on one, but many on one. I've never been in a street fight, but I've talked my way out of a couple. It's not as glamorous as a black eye to show your friends, but it's a lot healthier.

Though if I had to choose I'd say bjj as that would help you to stay on your feet and avoid getting stomped on when it goes to the ground.

Boxing...because if you can defend getting taken down then it's all cake from there.

Boxing and Judo is the most badass streetfighting combo. Punch your way in and throw him into traffic.

A kick in the balls or a thumb in the eye would do good on the street. Very cheap but effective.

A kick in the balls or a thumb in the eye would do good on the street. Very cheap but effective.

As well as a punch to the face.

Hapkido is probably the best martial art for defending yourself in a street fight, and in turn destroying them. Since a portion of Hapkido training is dedicated to fighting "unskilled" fighters. But I suppose it wasen't one of the options.

Obviously the consensus is boxing; however, I'd have to disagree. Most of my training deals with the grapplings arts: BJJ/judo/hapkido/wrestling. And I can tell you first hand that nothing says "Game Over!" in a street fight then ducking somebodys slow ass haymaker and suplexing their skull into the concrete.

Keep in mind BJJ doesn't involve "flopping" to your back all the time. Theres a heavy focus on throw/take downs and evasion...Boxers don't do well on their back. Not to mention, nobody does well when in the mount and having elbows rained down on you. Its ignorant to assume a BJJ artist would go to his back in a street fight...and if he was taken down...he'd more than likely sweep them into mount.

Both

Risky only doing one. Unless you go about picking fights, you won't be able to choose your range. You will be GIVEN a range.

So if you only train boxing and get rugby tackled or pushed straight to the ground then boxing won't help.

Same is obviously true if the range you are given is stand up unattached striking and it is not safe to go to the ground, then you better hope you added boxing to your game!

The only component missing there is of course clinch range, but a fighter trained in those two delivery systems would pwn the average person

Any of the 'alive' delivery systems - boxing, thai boxing, kickboxing, judo, sambo, wrestling and BJJ are great for self defence because the training methods are functional compared to the dead, static training that is pervasive within' martial arts' 'styles'.

interesting...

Don't get into street fights!

aikido, hapkido, krav maga is all crap imo..
None of those moves are actually battle tested in an adrenaline paced fight.

You have to remember if a boxer get charged or rushed, that other person can get knocked out quickly, you can't just come in thinking you are gonna take the boxer down without getting hit a couple of times, cause boxing teaches how to fight the aggressive fighter as well..

It may sound easy to take a boxer down, but you have to realize is that it's not easy at all.. You have to set up the takedown, you can't just rush people and charge in, and think well that's it the boxer is done... If it was that easy, than that means everyone, and anyone can do it.. but it's not that easy.

When confronted with any hand-to-hand combat situation your fists always become your primary weapon for striking your opponent, which is why good boxing skills are essential for coming out on top in a street fight. In the street there are no rules, but with boxing you know how to counter the most common street attacks with strong basic boxing techniques designed to knockout your opponent with one quick punch. It's a known fact that a skilled boxer will win 9 out of 10 street fights against any type of attacker. In the street boxers come out on top because they are in top condition and used to making contact through daily sparring sessions. Most street fighters have never been hit so when they get nailed they panic and run but an experienced boxer will hold his ground, defend against attack and counter with knockout combinations. An arsenal of easy to learn boxing self-defense techniques and drills that will give you the winning edge in any street fighting situation whether you are a man or a woman.

THE best WEAPON is a nice hard technical Punch to the face.

Bas Rutten says that boxing has saved him on more than one occasion in the street..
He says that in street fights, you have to train your hands like a boxer to end the fight quickly.

Depends

Boxing all the way dude, or even better, Muay Thai! Most untrained people can't take a full on roundhouse shin kick to their thigh.

eh...I'd rather get punched in the face than take a ridgehand to the throat anyday. The sidestep ridgehand to the throat is most definetly the most lethal strike in a street fight. Works especially well against all you "straight right, left hook" fellas. It'll step the straight right and evade/beat the left hook.

While as we've all seen BJJ>Boxing 1 on 1, it really depends on what your lifestyle or type of fights happen around your area

I know some people that would get into rumbles (their group vs another group) back in the day, boxing has worked well for them, makes sense....just a punch of sucker punches flying in from every direction.

If you're planning to learn BJJ to defend yourself, that's awesome, I've been taking it and it has a ton of benefits, but word of advice, if you really plan on using it outside of training, make sure you get to crosstrain w/ another art (be it standup grappling or striking)

Disclaimer: Martial arts training is not a substitute for common sense, do not walk into a boxing gym expecting to KO 4 ppl altogether later on, the only real defense for multiple opponents is to have multiple buddies, and running (flying works too...) Of course, grappling while u get jumped is not going to help you, but at least with grappling you won't get taken down as easily increasing your chances of jetting off.

eh...I'd rather get punched in the face than take a ridgehand to the throat anyday. The sidestep ridgehand to the throat is most definetly the most lethal strike in a street fight. Works especially well against all you "straight right, left hook" fellas. It'll step the straight right and evade/beat the left hook.

You're an idiot.

it depends. if it was one and one no interferance then BJJ all day. if its a possible multiple attacker situation then i would rather throw the hands so i can defend if someone else tries to attack me. it all depends in the situation.

yep. i agree it depends.
bjj on concrete vs. multiple opponents? ouch!
beating bareknuckle and breaking your own hand (see tyson in a streetfight)? ouch!
for that purpose i would prefer self defense oriented stuff e.g. http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/

If you take both, you are good.

i say ven-fu

its the art of the reach around

thats why hes fat so no one can reach around him

STFU FAT NOOB!

Boxing, BJJ guys won't be able to do anything when rapid bombs are being thrown.

Boxing, BJJ guys won't be able to do anything when rapid bombs are being thrown.


a take down?

read my post again.

Boxing>BJJ

How the fuck are you going to take a boxer down when he is throwing punches like this? Everyone needs to learn boxing if you are in a street fight or your screwed.

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Boxing>BJJ

How the fuck are you going to take a boxer down when he is throwing punches like this? Everyone needs to learn boxing if you are in a street fight or your screwed.

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It's actually more easier to take down someone like that, cause when they come forward like that, they lose the ability to sprawl.. (Arona, Silva)
I love boxing, but BJJ is more important..

If a boxer goes in like that against a grappler, The grappler just needs to drop 12 inches, and take him down, and that's it.

But a boxer could land a hit, but highly unlikely.

but I respect your love towards boxing..cause I like it too.

Boxing for sure...

Better to take them out fast. Especially if you're dealing with multiple opponents.

I do both but I've gotten into a street fight about a year back and boxing came into play more than going to the ground. But JJ is a good plan B.

I want to see you BJJ Expert try to take someone like him down. He's not one of those fighters that leaves openings but, there are always room for error.

this thread is crazy!
1. you don't have to be on your back to do BJJ. no one WANTS to be in guard. it's a defensive position and is only used if takedown attempts fail.
2.any idiot can throw a shot that you don't see coming and end a fight. just because you're better on the feet than the guy you're fighting doesn't mean you can't get KO'd.
3.I'll go with a takedown and pound a guy out and possibly choke them out way before i'll try and punch with someone. who knows... they may have a good chin.
4.Size matters more when you're throwing punches and I'm a smaller guy.

Only Gracies can end wild fights with BJJ.

Only Gracies can end wild fights with BJJ.

LOL are you serious?

Lol, but I was just watching the Gracie beach fight.

this thread is crazy!
1. you don't have to be on your back to do BJJ. no one WANTS to be in guard. it's a defensive position and is only used if takedown attempts fail.
2.any idiot can throw a shot that you don't see coming and end a fight. just because you're better on the feet than the guy you're fighting doesn't mean you can't get KO'd.
3.I'll go with a takedown and pound a guy out and possibly choke them out way before i'll try and punch with someone. who knows... they may have a good chin.
4.Size matters more when you're throwing punches and I'm a smaller guy.

I am not sure I'd pick BJJ over boxing myself, but I think it's far closer than most who posted seem to assume. The quoted post is probably the most reasonable thing thus far.

What makes you folks assume all BJJ players flop to guard the instant an altercation occurs? Even if 5% of all training is takedowns (which is a bare minimum), that's still at least 5% more than the average joe. Furthermore, all people seem to have some idea what to do on their feet, granted I think a decent boxer would thoroughly trounce someone with no experience. However, once a fight hits the ground, most people just have no clue what to do, especially against a seasoned ground fighter. The analogy in the past has been "like being thrown in a pool and not knowing how to swim"

Now I've trained some in kickboxing and no gi grappling, and done some multiple attacker drills (all standup) so I think I'd advocate good footwork so you line up the attackers and keep them out of range, likely with some good stiff jab-crosses until you could get your ass out of there. Run-fu is a good option.

However, 1 on 1, or severely outnumbered I'd go with the BJJ. I've heard stories from guys who got jumped by 5+ people, and they pulled guard (OH NO NOT ON THE STREET) got good head and arm control and made sure that the beating he took was minimal since he was able to shield against most kicks and such with the body of the guy in his guard. The gang got tired, felt he wasn't worth their time and were afraid of hurting their own guy, so they left. Dude still got fucked up, but it wasn't serious injuries and he attributes his pulling guard to possibly saving his life.

Simple answer of boxing vs BJJ: I think it's highly situational and can't be answered simply, but BJJ might be better than you guys think.

depends you have to be smart when u fight

If you are smart, you don't fight in the streets.

boxing. bjj was meant for 1v1 rarely does a fight ended up being so

Boxing and Judo

Vale Tudo

Boxing.

Against multiple opponents, boxing or BJJ won't mean shit. Your best course of action is to smash the first guy and run like hell.

For one on one action, boxing is good in open spaces but in tight quarters like a bar, I'll take BJJ. There are many good BJJ street defense techniques that don't require you to go to the ground. Any type of joint manipulation moves are good, whether it's BJJ, Aikido, Dumog or Chin Na.

Again it all boils down to the attributes of the particular fighter. Boxing is very attribute based and if you're a small dude, you'll probably get your ass whipped by a big guy. I'll still go with modified street BJJ. But you'll never go wrong if you also know how to box.

I'm with Gypsy Jazz on this one. Boxing's probably better overall as all fights start standing. In a street fight even if you start one on one it may not be that way for long - being surrounded by a gobshite & his 5 mates is a pretty good way to test your bottle & intestinal fortitude, trust me. If I could guarantee a one on one I'd be looking for a takedown as every Joe thinks he can fight standing up - the floor's a different matter. I'd still be G'N'P ing before looking for a choke though.

Oh yeah, ground fighting on a mat's one thing - would you still fancy it in winter on wet concrete, covered in broken glass possibly, at midnight?

boxing, unless you can guarantee its one on one and no weapons im not going to the gorund.

It's not about styles..
Its about using what you know more effectively than the onther person.

Do you guys train in MMA to kickass in the streets and be badasses? or do you do it because you love the sport??

I do boxing, because I like boxing. I don't care about the whole street fighting thing.
You don't exactly have to be skillfull to win in a street fight.

Gotta go with boxing. It rules in the ring and in the street, but BJJ is just good for the mat. Like the previous poster said, your 2 fists are the most important thing in a street fight.