Hey guys,
I've got a problem; I compete in submission grappling (I train Jiujitsu). I walk around at 197lbs. If I cross the 200lb mark, I enter the heavyweight category of the tournaments I go to, which has no upper weight limit. So, is there any way I can build strength without putting me in a position of fighting a 260lb man?

Yes, lift heavy with low reps and concentrate on dynamic lifts.

how tall are you?

6'2. It's not a bad 197, if I do say so myself.

I was much stronger than I am now when I was 20 pounds lighter and lifting weights 5 days a week instead of posting.

but your ability to withstand trannies has doubled

i was the master of this when i powerlifted...do lots of singles and doubles...dont go over 3 reps...you'll get old man strength

i was the master of this when i powerlifted...do lots of singles and doubles...dont go over 3 reps...you'll get old man strength

Sweeeeet, I always wanted old man strength.....no, really, I'm serious

old man strenght pwns

old man strength doesn't include endurance....

old man strength doesn't include endurance....

Do you mean cardio endurance or muscular endurance? Because my sensei makes sure we have cardio for days, he's kinda like Tito in that sense.

I do mass training, and strength lifting, and I have no muscular endurance in my muscles, when I box/strike.

circuits w/ a bar (w/ whatever weight u want) doing about 7-10 exercises at 8 reps each at about 3 sets (up to 5) w/ one minute break inbtween each set and try to not stop until ur done - it'll kick ur ass but u'll def notice a difference in ur muscular endurance....

bent-over rows
upright rows
military press
good-mornings
lunges
squats
shoulder press (i usually go from a squat then step together and go right into a shoulder press = one rep)
deadlift

i usually mix this in w/ my cardio and strength training routine

circuits w/ a bar (w/ whatever weight u want) doing about 7-10 exercises at 8 reps each at about 3 sets (up to 5) w/ one minute break inbtween each set and try to not stop until ur done - it'll kick ur ass but u'll def notice a difference in ur muscular endurance....

bent-over rows
upright rows
military press
good-mornings
lunges
squats
shoulder press (i usually go from a squat then step together and go right into a shoulder press = one rep)
deadlift

i usually mix this in w/ my cardio and strength training routine


But that circuit routine will put on mass, won't it?

a big misconception about lifting weights is that if you don't eat you ain't gonna put on any weight.

a big misconception about lifting weights is that if you don't eat you ain't gonna put on any weight.

I think everybody knows that.
Not only eat, but eat right.

Meat(Red Meat), Fish, Chicken, Dairy: Such as ,eggs, Milk, cheese, Yogurt..
Vegetables and fruits such as: Apples, Oranges, Bananas, Grapes.
Plenty of Water, and sleeping is the most important.
and to consume a gallon of milk each day.

a gallon of milk doesn't make any sense.

a gallon of milk doesn't make any sense.

I think it's impossible.
But a boxing instructor told me.. I don't drink that much, no reason to.
But I'm sure it helps.

They guys trying NOT to gain weight.

6'2. It's not a bad 197, if I do say so myself.

I'm 6'3 185 and have, according to Doctors, a perfect body mass (the pouch on my belly would suggest otherwise). So based on body mass index I would think you could shed some 10-12 pounds and still be healthy. Shed some of that fat and replace other fat with some of the muscle you want. Depends on your bone strucutre as well. If you are "big boned" then maybe you don't have fat to shed.

Maybe something as simple as substituting beef for lean white chicken breast for every meat meal will do it for you. Lean protein = lean muscle. Fat protein = fat muscle. We are what we eat.

and to consume a gallon of milk each day.

No fucking way... NO FUCKING WAY.

I think it's impossible.
But a boxing instructor told me.. I don't drink that much, no reason to.
But I'm sure it helps.

a boxing instructor isn't a nutritionist. i am hundred percent sure it doesn't help.
i don't think your body can even use up all the protein from the milk. there is about 180-200 grams of protein per gallon along with hundreds of grams of sugar carbs and fat. i dont think you can eat your red meats and other proteins. your body can probably only break down 30 grams of protein every few hours. you are going to be shitting blood all day if you eat so much protein.
the thread is also about building strength without putting on mass. what you suggest will significantly put on a lot of fat and weight.

I'm 6'3 185 and have, according to Doctors, a perfect body mass (the pouch on my belly would suggest otherwise). So based on body mass index I would think you could shed some 10-12 pounds and still be healthy. Shed some of that fat and replace other fat with some of the muscle you want. Depends on your bone strucutre as well. If you are "big boned" then maybe you don't have fat to shed.

Maybe something as simple as substituting beef for lean white chicken breast for every meat meal will do it for you. Lean protein = lean muscle. Fat protein = fat muscle. We are what we eat.

I'm actually lean, to the point where everyone thinks I'm skinny, and are shocked when I tell them I weigh 197. I'm just broad. BMI's don't really apply to healthy, athletic people.

BMI's arnt always acurate, i think gaining strength without putting on weight is variable on the persons body type, endo,exo etc,

i would say, lift 80% of your maximum lift for an exercise, with reps of 12-8 and 3-4 sets,

also eating right,

also i believe alot of body wieght exercise will be the go,

im no fitness guru, but that all i have ever really done ,and i feel that it works for me,

I agree with the shitting blood thing, for a long time my cornhole was really raw and I saw blood on the toilet paper everyday. I cut my protein in half and now its not as bad but theres still some blood when I have hard poo.

Yes, lift heavy with low reps and concentrate on dynamic lifts.

Isnt that backwards?

Dont you do max weight and low reps to build bulk?

Isnt the key to do shitloads of reps and keep the weight down so you build muscle endurance and not force your body to adapt to more weight by creating larger resistance in your muscles?

Isnt that backwards?

Dont you do max weight and low reps to build bulk?

Isnt the key to do shitloads of reps and keep the weight down so you build muscle endurance and not force your body to adapt to more weight by creating larger resistance in your muscles?

actually he is right. you can use low reps and heavy weights to gain strength without gaining any weight. putting on weight in any shape or form depends on diet. i don't care if the guy does light or heavy weights if he eats like a little bird. he will be little. a misconception of low reps and high weights come from watching strongmen competition who some of them have big guts but in all honesty a lot of powerlifters in the olympics are small and more efficient in terms of lb for lb lifts. also the bleeding comes from lack of fiber. fiber bran cereal or fiber pills will help out a lot.

actually he is right. you can use low reps and heavy weights to gain strength without gaining any weight. putting on weight in any shape or form depends on diet. i don't care if the guy does light or heavy weights if he eats like a little bird. he will be little. a misconception of low reps and high weights come from watching strongmen competition who some of them have big guts but in all honesty a lot of powerlifters in the olympics are small and more efficient in terms of lb for lb lifts. also the bleeding comes from lack of fiber. fiber bran cereal or fiber pills will help out a lot.

Exactly.

I'm not smart enough to write shit like that..and if comes off differently. LOL.

im not trying to be an idiot. but just because people are heavier/fatter then you it doesnt really mean they are stronger .... does it

im not trying to be an idiot. but just because people are heavier/fatter then you it doesnt really mean they are stronger .... does it

if both a 160 lb person and a 240 lb person trains the same way. usually the heavier person is stronger even though he is a fat piece of shit

when ur obese your muscles have to get stronger to carry all ur extra fat...thus if you took a fat piece of shit and a skinny dude and they never lifted weights before....9/10 times hefty faggot will win

so the fattest man in the world = the strongest man in the world

nobody said that. its just that two people who train the same way. usually the heavier one is stronger.

yeah

btw... butterbean is stronger than gsp....

bob sapp is stronger then bean

train your central nervous system more than your muscles, by inroducing olympic and dynamic lifts, and plenty of core strength stuff, plyometrics etc.
This way you can teach your body to react in a different way and fire muscles more efficiently, without necessarily getting any heavier.

i drink atleast a liter if not two of choclate milk, eat alot of red meat and alot fruit/veggies everyday. My poops never been better, nothing close to blood. Lots of weed too.

lol chocolate milk everyday? dont you get sick of it

he's butterbean...

You can put on strength without weight but obviously theres a limit to how strong you can get without getting bigger.

Bruce Lee was pretty damn strong though, he was big on working all the little ligaments and muscles bodybuilders usually ignore.

You can put on strength without weight but obviously theres a limit to how strong you can get without getting bigger.

Bruce Lee was pretty damn strong though, he was big on working all the little ligaments and muscles bodybuilders usually ignore.

i kinda disagree cause they got all these little ass olympic lifters who can lift more lb for lb but i see what you are saying.

conditioning = less fat = + muscle = strength

:D

i drink atleast a liter if not two of choclate milk, eat alot of red meat and alot fruit/veggies everyday. My poops never been better, nothing close to blood. Lots of weed too.

here come de diabetes, yassuh

look into pavel tsatsouline's power to the people. it's everything u need to know on how to gain strength without bulk. Gives u special work out techniques and everything. I just posted it in my thread if u wanna take a look. It'll be worth ur while.