Ok to everyone i would love for someone to try and prove me wrong(you wont)

1) God does not cause evil, the Devil does.
OK, this one is perhaps the stupidest one. If you believe the Devil is capable of subverting God's will and causing evil, then you believe that the Devil is as powerful as God, and you shouldn't call yourself a monotheist. Plus, if the Devil can do whatever he wishes despite God's will, then God is not all powerful. Therefore this argument doesn't fly,

2) God is all good, evil comes from man's free choice.
I don't buy this one either. God created everything (according to the religious people). Therefore, he must have created both humans and free will. Now why would he create free will if he knew some men would choose evil? You might say that evil people turn away from God, so he has no responsibility towards them. Ok, fine. But what about the innocent, good people that are harmed by the evil people? Doesn't God care? Of course not, because he doesn't exist.

3) Evil exists in the world for reasons we don't and CAN'T understand. God's reasons are unknowable because we are mere puny humans.
This is probably the best reason, but I still don't buy it. According to this statement, you are supposed to just accept evil because you trust that god has a reason for it. Now, I simply can't accept this. Why would God give us intelligence if we weren't meant to use it? If God simply intended for us to be herded around like sheep, why didn't he make us sheep? The answer, of course, is that God did not make us, because he does not exist.

So how did we get here?

www.christianfaq.com

www.answersingenesis.com

yeah and also in the bullshit Bible it says that god created man in his own image, so then how could man be even capable of evil if god is this almighty good guy..........ATHEIST TO DEATH

Wanna fuck with a Christian.....................Dinosaurs

god is good

So how did we get here?

I dunno. Luckily that has no bearing on whether God exists or not.

god is good

Source?

Source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Nice try as always.

How does the omniscient creator of the universe come to the conclusion that sending his beloved son to earth and dying a slow agonizing death is the best possible way to bring about salvation?
Televangalists also serve to convince me that christianity is invalid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

lol great source, because if wikipedia says it it must be true. But wouldn't the fact that God created evil detract from his omnibenevolence?

How does the omniscient creator of the universe come to the conclusion that sending his beloved son to earth and dying a slow agonizing death is the best possible way to bring about salvation?
Televangalists also serve to convince me that christianity is invalid.

Well that's simple. I mean if you had the choice to either give salvation to everyone or even just do away with evil all together. Or you could make something you love suffer. Which are you gonna choose? I mean it's pretty obvious that something suffering is the true all loving route to take.

when a lion kills a calf; is he evil for feeding his family? a concept of an objective "evil" is child-like and magical

when a lion kills a calf; is he evil for feeding his family? a concept of an objective "evil" is child-like and magical

Your logic is flawed, what if the lion could feed his family without ever harming another creature or plant or anything for that matter. Would that not be a better choice for everything?

are bacteria metabolizing evil? Or dos it depend on how it effects people?

Your logic is flawed, what if the lion could feed his family without ever harming another creature or plant or anything for that matter. Would that not be a better choice for everything?

are you a breathatarion?

are bacteria metabolizing evil? Or dos it depend on how it effects people?

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were trying to make a God analogy with the lion. If you weren't I apologize for my previous statement.

I'm not sure what a breathatarian ( I think you mispelled it as I googled it, but still couldn't find a definition.)

As for evil I don't really believe in it except for God I believe he is the only creature in the universe that has the possibility of actually having free will. Everything else is caused by causation or random acts. Since God has no cause before him he has the possibility to have free will. We as humans do not since every choice has a reason behind it and that reason has yet another reason behind it and so on. If ever there were not a reason for the previous reason the act would be random. The reasons will eventaully trace back to the every beginning which in this case we can assume it to be God. God is then the cause for every action ever made.

Again if you didn't see my other post there are alot of answers to these very common questions at

www.christianfaq.com

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

Again if you didn't see my other post there are alot of answers to these very common questions at

www.christianfaq.com

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

I read the one on "why is there evil?" and it tried to play evil off as though it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. For instance since our worldly bodies won't matter when we're dead then evil doesn't matter. Which is crap because evil is supposedly according to the bible what gets people to Hell instead of Heaven. So obviously evil does matter and it does affect our future and you can't deny the world wouldn't be a better place without it. If you don't mind evil that's your opinion, but don't try and play it off like it's a good thing or that it doesn't matter. (BTW when I say you I didn't necessarily mean you just anyone of that opinion)

Also on the why does God send almost everyone to Hell. If a man lives his life and never experiences Jesus like the article says and the article even admits it doesn't know what will happen to that person. So lets look at the possibilities. Either A. They goto Heaven B. They goto Hell or C They goto some miday point. Now, if they goto Heaven that's not fair to the rest who went to Hell because taht person just got a free ticket. If they goto Hell that's not fair for them because they never had a chance. If they goto some midpoint then that would still be better than Hell and is still unfair to those who are then forced to sufferand is also unfair to the person be cause they never got a chnace to goto Heaven.

So how did we get here?

The Flying Spagetti Monster created us and put us here. And he demands obedience (it's in a book called The Gospel of the Flying Spagetti Monster- you can get it on Amazon just like you can get the Bible.) If you do not give obedience to the FSG, then when you die you will be boiled in a pot of water forever and ever and... well... eternity.

You can't prove I"m wrong either.

So how did we get here?

natural selection

this thread rocked.

Rocked like a gay muslem.

Rocked like a gay muslem.

Wow, someones being progressive, way to step above prejudice and discrimination.

I thought I would even out the religion bashing just a little.

I thought I would even out the religion bashing just a little.

For how many religions there are, you got along way to go. Good luck with that.

I did my part...

Wow, someones being progressive, way to step above prejudice and discrimination.

stfui fag ricksonbyarmbar

stfui fag ricksonbyarmbar

Very mature, I'm impressed with your comprehension skills. You must be at the top of the "special class" with your intuitive witt

:abduct:

these threads are useless.

noone will ever know how we got here, so who cares.
Noone will ever know if god exists or not, and even all the sources in the world can't do shit...
Does god exist? I don't know.
how did we get here? I don't know, nor will anyone else.

So......which of you would like to be audited first? It'll cost you nothing to start paying for our celebrity centre.

Ok to everyone i would love for someone to try and prove me wrong(you wont)

1) God does not cause evil, the Devil does.
OK, this one is perhaps the stupidest one. If you believe the Devil is capable of subverting God's will and causing evil, then you believe that the Devil is as powerful as God, and you shouldn't call yourself a monotheist. Plus, if the Devil can do whatever he wishes despite God's will, then God is not all powerful. Therefore this argument doesn't fly,

2) God is all good, evil comes from man's free choice.
I don't buy this one either. God created everything (according to the religious people). Therefore, he must have created both humans and free will. Now why would he create free will if he knew some men would choose evil? You might say that evil people turn away from God, so he has no responsibility towards them. Ok, fine. But what about the innocent, good people that are harmed by the evil people? Doesn't God care? Of course not, because he doesn't exist.

3) Evil exists in the world for reasons we don't and CAN'T understand. God's reasons are unknowable because we are mere puny humans.
This is probably the best reason, but I still don't buy it. According to this statement, you are supposed to just accept evil because you trust that god has a reason for it. Now, I simply can't accept this. Why would God give us intelligence if we weren't meant to use it? If God simply intended for us to be herded around like sheep, why didn't he make us sheep? The answer, of course, is that God did not make us, because he does not exist.

Question 1 answer - god cannot interfere with the devils evil jsut as the devil cannot interfere with god's good..

question 2. God does not control, we are not pawns on a chess board however he can manipulate to a degree.. man was created in god's image but everything evolves and through our own greed and selfishness we have broken that image.

question3 - where there is bad there is always good to follow, so instead of trying to blame all your shitty problems on something you dont' believe/understand, why don't you take a good look around you and ask yoruself, "what did I personally do to allow my life to continue on as shitty as it has been"....

yoru probablly one of those moron's that thinks "why god why did i get hit by that car" rather than asking "why the fuk was that stupid fukin moron drinking and driving??" because he can, then you ask "why doesnt' god stop him."

and i reply becuase if god does not control he can only manipulate besides if he was to prevent everymore moron from beign stupid we would never learn from our mistakes, we not evolve and we would be extrememly dependant...

rahter than focusing on all the things hyou believe "god" didnt do for you...
why dont' you think about all the very rare coincidences that happend in your life that make you think "this cannot just be coincidence"...

P.S you will have a very lonely death and i'll put money now you say your prayers when you know your on your deathbed, you ask god to forgive your sins..... you watch and see....

WWII many people that didn't believe in god were praying to him everynight.. funny how you'll pray in something you don't believe but criticize those that do believe..

Amen

Question 1 answer - god cannot interfere with the devils evil jsut as the devil cannot interfere with god's good..

question 2. God does not control, we are not pawns on a chess board however he can manipulate to a degree.. man was created in god's image but everything evolves and through our own greed and selfishness we have broken that image.

question3 - where there is bad there is always good to follow, so instead of trying to blame all your shitty problems on something you dont' believe/understand, why don't you take a good look around you and ask yoruself, "what did I personally do to allow my life to continue on as shitty as it has been"....

yoru probablly one of those moron's that thinks "why god why did i get hit by that car" rather than asking "why the fuk was that stupid fukin moron drinking and driving??" because he can, then you ask "why doesnt' god stop him."

and i reply becuase if god does not control he can only manipulate besides if he was to prevent everymore moron from beign stupid we would never learn from our mistakes, we not evolve and we would be extrememly dependant...

rahter than focusing on all the things hyou believe "god" didnt do for you...
why dont' you think about all the very rare coincidences that happend in your life that make you think "this cannot just be coincidence"...

P.S you will have a very lonely death and i'll put money now you say your prayers when you know your on your deathbed, you ask god to forgive your sins..... you watch and see....

WWII many people that didn't believe in god were praying to him everynight.. funny how you'll pray in something you don't believe but criticize those that do believe..

1. So God isn't omnipotent then?

2.In free will "you" are said to make choices. But what exactly makes up "you". Why do people choose differently? There are only 2 answers to this question. The first is that your mind entagles with your environment to form "you". This shows that factors out of our control (since we cannot choose our mind or environment, if we choose to change our environment it's only because of the effect our present environment has had on us. Because we cannot choose our initial environment) make up who we are and what we do. Another answer is that God gives us souls and these souls come with the ability to make choices and come with a sense of "you" in them. In other words they come with a personality. Agian another factor out of our control make our initial self and controls our decisions.

Your initial self is formed by something out of your control wether it be your environment or God. This initial "you" will then combine with your environment to make choices. This can best be expressed through an equation 1 + 2 = 3. Now the numbers are unimporant any will do, so might as well use simple ones. Now imagine the 1 as your initial self, the 2 will represent your environment, the = is choice, and the 3 is the decision you make. Now you can run this problem through as many times as you'd like but 1 + 2 will always equal 3. The answer will never change there is only one path. Unless you were to alter something like the values of the numbers, but this would be the equivelent to going back in time and changing something to make the future different. Thus by changing something in our environments will effect us differently then if you didn't and could possibly change a decision.

What I'm getting at here is that there is only one pathway for you to choose. While there may seem like many, you must agree that in the end you can only choose one. So the question is could you have chosen differently? because this truely defines free will. If everything is controlled by factors and has only one way then there is no free will. So could you have chosen differently? It may seem easy to say yes, but when you look at the facts it's not only improbable it's impossible. For every choice there is a reason and that reason is dominant at that point in time. So if you relived your life you would make all the same decisions, because your reasons will remain the same.

Now to change a reason thus changing the decision, you have to first of all make decisions with a process that operates outside of time. Secondly and more important this process would have to be random. Because to not have a reason for a choice is to not have a basis for that choice. Without a base or reason for the choice you haven't really chosen because every choice requires a reason without a reason for doing something it becomes a random process. Even saying "I did it because I wanted to." Has a reason behind it because why did you want to? Maybe it was curiosity maybe it was something not so easy to spot. But whatever it was it was a reason or maybe it was just a random action in which case it was made by nothing more than a flip of a coin or a roll of the dice. Which of course you don't control, so there you have it decisions are either made from factors that accumulate or a random process.

3. Why not blame God for all the bad? Christians thank him for all the good. With his omnipotent power he could make everything perfect couldn't he? Unless we are going off your previous accusation that God isn't omnipotent in which case that changes alot.

I agree with Ven that we will never truely know if God exists. Unless of course he reveals himself.

these threads are useless.

noone will ever know how we got here, so who cares.
Noone will ever know if god exists or not, and even all the sources in the world can't do shit...
Does god exist? I don't know.
how did we get here? I don't know, nor will anyone else.

Your post is useless.The thread topic is about the validity of christianity,not if God exists or not.

Your post is useless.The thread topic is about the validity of christianity,not if God exists or not.


Your lucky you like BJ Penn like I do.

Your lucky you like BJ Penn like I do.

and if he didn't?? then he'd be wrong huh?

BluntObject50 [ADR];391021']and if he didn't?? then he'd be wrong huh?

I may have encurred da wrath of Ven !

I will offer proof that god exists (the bible) now you offer me something valid that says he doesn;t...

the 10commandments are said to be from god's word, we found those stones..

Again show me something taht says "i wrote the bible and based it on fiction." you can't so pls stfu...

as previously stated why argue somethign you can't prove?? probalbly cause your a highschool dropout with nuttn better to do but question that of which you may be too stupid/naive/stubborn to understand..

HarshReality PWNS

I will offer proof that god exists (the bible) now you offer me something valid that says he doesn;t...

the 10commandments are said to be from god's word, we found those stones..

Again show me something taht says "i wrote the bible and based it on fiction." you can't so pls stfu...

as previously stated why argue somethign you can't prove?? probalbly cause your a highschool dropout with nuttn better to do but question that of which you may be too stupid/naive/stubborn to understand..

Was this directed at me?

I will offer proof that god exists (the bible) now you offer me something valid that says he doesn;t...

the 10commandments are said to be from god's word, we found those stones..

Again show me something taht says "i wrote the bible and based it on fiction." you can't so pls stfu...

as previously stated why argue somethign you can't prove?? probalbly cause your a highschool dropout with nuttn better to do but question that of which you may be too stupid/naive/stubborn to understand..

I will address this anyhow. So by this logic anything we find that we have not had first hand experience with to disprove must be true. So now a Flying Spagetti Monster exists along with the Roman and Greek gods. Infact according to this logic all religions are correct since none of us were alive back then or witnessed their creation.

Unless of course you didn't mean the bible is proof and you were just trying to say we can't dispprove god's existence in which case I agree.

Originally Posted by HarshReality
I will offer proof that god exists (the bible) now you offer me something valid that says he doesn;t...

the 10commandments are said to be from god's word, we found those stones..

Again show me something taht says "i wrote the bible and based it on fiction." you can't so pls stfu...

as previously stated why argue somethign you can't prove?? probalbly cause your a highschool dropout with nuttn better to do but question that of which you may be too stupid/naive/stubborn to understand..
Maybe this unsubstantiated nonsense is directed at me?
This is so ironic its pathetic.First off the bible is far from proof that God exists,unlike you,a book full of contradictions isn't quite the 'proof' I'm content with.

So enlighten us all a little on we are "too stupid/naive/stubborn to understand".Show the hard evidence.

I will address this anyhow. So by this logic anything we find that we have not had first hand experience with to disprove must be true. So now a Flying Spagetti Monster exists along with the Roman and Greek gods. Infact according to this logic all religions are correct since none of us were alive back then or witnessed their creation.

Unless of course you didn't mean the bible is proof and you were just trying to say we can't dispprove god's existence in which case I agree.

first off "flying spaghetti dragon"?? if you dispute that it could even exist i suggest admitting yourself to a psych clinic...

It's funny how again everybody will attack a book they probablly havn't read but yet nobody i mean nobody argued the fact abotu the stones...

my personal opinion, some religions are so closely bound, I wouldn't doubt if they were once the same but became different through POV...
word for word the bible cannot be taken literally (i'll admit that.) however in a whole it should deffinatly be looked at seriuosly after all the bible does depict many FACTUAL happenings on earth.. so how can you possibly discredit it so easily??

another thing about greek mythology, In most cases these stories have been proven to be just stories and about the beasts not a shred of evidence has been found to support these theorized beasts.. however there has been plenty of evidence that makes the bible credible the only thing not found has been jesus (recently peeps think they found his tomb,)

So before you try to argue with me, put a little more thought into your argument.. thanx.

P.S thank you evil, it feels good to crack the whip of enlightenment every now and again..

first off "flying spaghetti dragon"?? if you dispute that it could even exist i suggest admitting yourself to a psych clinic...

It's funny how again everybody will attack a book they probablly havn't read but yet nobody i mean nobody argued the fact abotu the stones...

my personal opinion, some religions are so closely bound, I wouldn't doubt if they were once the same but became different through POV...
word for word the bible cannot be taken literally (i'll admit that.) however in a whole it should deffinatly be looked at seriuosly after all the bible does depict many FACTUAL happenings on earth.. so how can you possibly discredit it so easily??

another thing about greek mythology, In most cases these stories have been proven to be just stories and about the beasts not a shred of evidence has been found to support these theorized beasts.. however there has been plenty of evidence that makes the bible credible the only thing not found has been jesus (recently peeps think they found his tomb,)

So before you try to argue with me, put a little more thought into your argument.. thanx.

P.S thank you evil, it feels good to crack the whip of enlightenment every now and again..

The stones? Since when were they found? I don't ever remember them finding them. The only evidence we have that they existed is again the bible (or if you have a source that has proof we found them please post it). I also was not trying to say that The Spagetti Monster or the Greek Gods were real, I was merely poitning out that your argument for the bible had a huge flaw in it.

"I will offer proof that god exists (the bible) now you offer me something valid that says he doesn;t..."-HarshReality

Well if all we need for proof is text saying something existed then anything could be true. For instance say there is an invisible tea cup floating light years away in outer space. Now I can't disprove that either and you have no valid evidence to combat it, but does it make it true?

"Again show me something taht says "i wrote the bible and based it on fiction." you can't so pls stfu..."-HarshReality

The only way your letting anyone discredit the bible is to have been there when it was written. Now since I wasn't there when it was written I can't disprove it nor can i disprove The Koran, The Spagetti Monster, Or any other religous text.

Even if The Bible did depict factual things happening, all that proves is that someone paid attention back then and kept track of stuff. Obviously The Bible was written along time ago, so it makes since they would know stuff that happened a long time ago. I could write a book right nwo depicting things that happened during my lifetime and before it and I could give credit to some sort of God that I made up off the top of my head and then people in the future would be able to reference all my events, does that make my God real?

The only way to prove God's existence is to have him reveal himself and the only way to disprove his existence is to die and see what happens or doesn't happen.

umm ya the 10 commandments were found.. not sure where they be(which museum) but they are around...

What about WWII in 30yrs there will not be a single survivor from that war.. is it safe to say in 30yrs that war did not happen or question if it happend at all??
nobody is alive to prove it happend.. we only have newspapers and video that could easily be doctored even created.. How do i know all that war footage isn't from hollywood?? after all it was before my time...

But too believe that i would have to be seriouly close minded and stubborn with my opinion/beliefs.. as many peeps are that try to descredit the bible.

Rather than saying something deffinatly couldn't be, i find it better to leave on open mind to the possiblity that it could be..

umm ya the 10 commandments were found.. not sure where they be(which museum) but they are around...

What about WWII in 30yrs there will not be a single survivor from that war.. is it safe to say in 30yrs that war did not happen or question if it happend at all??
nobody is alive to prove it happend.. we only have newspapers and video that could easily be doctored even created.. How do i know all that war footage isn't from hollywood?? after all it was before my time...

But too believe that i would have to be seriouly close minded and stubborn with my opinion/beliefs.. as many peeps are that try to descredit the bible.

Rather than saying something deffinatly couldn't be, i find it better to leave on open mind to the possiblity that it could be..

I'm gonna have to ask for a source on those stones. I Googled it and nothing came up.

Well WWII has many sources to credit it, where as The Bible only has one (itself). I hope your not trying to say 30 years from now The Bible will be as credible as all of the WWII research, because that's a little crazy. We have so much stuff documented compared to biblical times. I mean if some guy living in some deserted part of Antartica writes a book about seeing a pheonix and then the worlds media writes all about the 911 attacks, which one seems more credible the single source or the multiple? I am in no way implying that The Bible isn't correct, I am merely showing how crazy it would be to compare its credibility to the WWII documentation.

I too like to leave an open mind to possibilties and if you do too I commend you on that. As most Christians I've met don't share the same mind set.

ok are we arguing if god exist, or if chirstianity is valid?

if you are saying you can prove god doesn't exist... you lose there is no way of proving that
as for the validity of chirstianity i need a definition as to what christianity is, are you talking about the catholic dogma? the stories in the bible? the practice?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h46/narbegesicht/buddy20christ20from20dogma.jpg

ok are we arguing if god exist, or if chirstianity is valid?

if you are saying you can prove god doesn't exist... you lose there is no way of proving that
as for the validity of chirstianity i need a definition as to what christianity is, are you talking about the catholic dogma? the stories in the bible? the practice?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h46/narbegesicht/buddy20christ20from20dogma.jpg

Are you talking to me or the OP? If it was meant for me then I'm not trying to disprove God's existence, because it's a waste of time (same goes for proving it). As for Christianity's validity I assume we are all referring to the stories in The Bible, but I could be wrong.

Oh, and btw Buddy Christ rules!

Ok to everyone i would love for someone to try and prove me wrong(you wont)

1) God does not cause evil, the Devil does.
OK, this one is perhaps the stupidest one. If you believe the Devil is capable of subverting God's will and causing evil, then you believe that the Devil is as powerful as God, and you shouldn't call yourself a monotheist. Plus, if the Devil can do whatever he wishes despite God's will, then God is not all powerful. Therefore this argument doesn't fly,

2) God is all good, evil comes from man's free choice.
I don't buy this one either. God created everything (according to the religious people). Therefore, he must have created both humans and free will. Now why would he create free will if he knew some men would choose evil? You might say that evil people turn away from God, so he has no responsibility towards them. Ok, fine. But what about the innocent, good people that are harmed by the evil people? Doesn't God care? Of course not, because he doesn't exist.

3) Evil exists in the world for reasons we don't and CAN'T understand. God's reasons are unknowable because we are mere puny humans.
This is probably the best reason, but I still don't buy it. According to this statement, you are supposed to just accept evil because you trust that god has a reason for it. Now, I simply can't accept this. Why would God give us intelligence if we weren't meant to use it? If God simply intended for us to be herded around like sheep, why didn't he make us sheep? The answer, of course, is that God did not make us, because he does not exist.


you also missed the point that God created EVERYTHING...including not just the capacity for humans to do evil, but evil itself. I don't believe in God, or at least not in the Christian one because it's fucking stupid. If God is truly as humble, kind, and benevolent as all pastors and sunday school teachers do, then why the hell does he want us to be praising him constantly? by creating humans, He has an obligation to provide for them. i mean, when a man and woman have a kid, we expect the parents to do their job by taking care of the baby. God should have no less of an obligation to us.
also, the very concept of hell proves that there's no such thing as a benevolent God. a place of eternal suffering, torment, and damnation is of such a higher magnitude than even the worst crime imaginable so that there's absolutely no scale.

you also missed the point that God created EVERYTHING...including not just the capacity for humans to do evil, but evil itself. I don't believe in God, or at least not in the Christian one because it's fucking stupid. If God is truly as humble, kind, and benevolent as all pastors and sunday school teachers do, then why the hell does he want us to be praising him constantly? by creating humans, He has an obligation to provide for them. i mean, when a man and woman have a kid, we expect the parents to do their job by taking care of the baby. God should have no less of an obligation to us.
also, the very concept of hell proves that there's no such thing as a benevolent God. a place of eternal suffering, torment, and damnation is of such a higher magnitude than even the worst crime imaginable so that there's absolutely no scale.

without heaven there can be no hell.. have you heard of proper balance throughout the galaxy?? the basic atom is based on this theory, sorry the theory is based on the atom... that where there is a positive there must be a negative to balance it.. kind of like where there is something bad, something good will follow..
when we were "created" we were provided for... we have a planet with an anundance of nourishment, which we have destroyed..
wow brilliant, we should pat ourselves on the back for that one.. oh wait, lets blame god it's just that much easier and we take no responsiblity of our own...
"god how dare you let me pollute the air everytime i drive to work.."

the misery we see in the world today is caused by nothig more than people..
Rich - have to much
poor - have not enough.. if rich wre to help the poor, those 2 would be equally Wealthy, neither would be considerd poor..

kids growing up without parents, well if there parents weren't crackheads, they wouldn't have wound up in that foster home..

we've evolved 2000yrs and yet we fail to do anything positive for ourselves while we blame all the negative on this "god" even the people that don't believe in a god seem to be quick to pass the buck of blame...

STFU and take responsiblity for your own actions and the actions of those around you...

the way i look at it, if people weren't pussies, if they could prevent wrong from being done to them or done to others, the world would be a better place, but this day and age, a person has wrong done to them, they feel it's there right to do wrong to others, a person sees wrong being done to others and they walk by ignoring it saying to themselves "its' not me why shoudl i care??"... this is not god's fault.. it's the pussiness/stupidity of the human race that is too blame..

dont' understand why you losers put so much emphasis on something you dn't believe in?? you create threads just to insult others?? well heres' one..

Instead of being a pussy and blaming god for not protecting you in a time of need, why don't you let yoru balls drop and do something about it yourself???

"mommmy boo hoo, I didnt' get accepted into the shool i wanted to go to, why god why did you let this happen??"

my reply if you didn't smoke so much dope you might have got accepted, thus it wasn't god's choice but your own.. IMO people use the belief of god as an excuse to be lazy, cowardess and ignorant...

instead of blaming god in this day and age, why dont' you try to blame society, afterall society has created most of the darkness in peoples lives today.. and it's not because god told us to work 9-5.. or did he?? hmmmm

maybe you're the pussy for saying stupid, gullible shit like that. whereas you face the future with blind optimism based on nothing other than theoretical beliefs, which defy, as well as deny, reality, i have the balls to admit that when i die nothing happens. i am not a coward, nor lazy or ignorant but because i believe that God doesn't do anything i take responsibility for cleaning up his fucking mistakes. i do moral and good acts for nothing so superficial as eternal bliss and to enter Heaven, which undoubtedly is the only reason why Christianity has flourished, but because i believe its the right thing to do.
Blame society? damn, you're a dumbshit... society by itself is often beneficial and provides for most of the members of its community. it's also illogical and completely idiotic to assume that society, a fictional construct of humans living in close proximity to one another, could ever solve the world's problems, and why the hell should it? and besides the point, what about the people outside of our own society, starving people in Africa, innocents getting shot in Palestine, a guy dying from AIDs in a hospital, people getting hit by a natural diaster etc... they have no part in it and yet they suffer, often without justification. i'm not talking about myself because i recogonize that i lead a priveleged life, but out of empathy for others whereas you seem to be bitter towards everyone. there's so many factors outside of our own control. you declare that there's a balance between good and evil by using the different components of an atom for the justification of heaven and hell? the fuck does that have to do with anything? atoms can be transformed into energy particles as well, so where do the postitive and negative parts go then? it's like you're saying happiness can only be bought with suffering, but who would want such a selfish thing, especially for the most part the suffering is not your own. you should try and live up to your name, harshreality, and start thinking about reality.

without heaven there can be no hell.. have you heard of proper balance throughout the galaxy?? the basic atom is based on this theory, sorry the theory is based on the atom... that where there is a positive there must be a negative to balance it.. kind of like where there is something bad, something good will follow..
when we were "created" we were provided for... we have a planet with an anundance of nourishment, which we have destroyed..
wow brilliant, we should pat ourselves on the back for that one.. oh wait, lets blame god it's just that much easier and we take no responsiblity of our own...
"god how dare you let me pollute the air everytime i drive to work.."

the misery we see in the world today is caused by nothig more than people..
Rich - have to much
poor - have not enough.. if rich wre to help the poor, those 2 would be equally Wealthy, neither would be considerd poor..

kids growing up without parents, well if there parents weren't crackheads, they wouldn't have wound up in that foster home..

we've evolved 2000yrs and yet we fail to do anything positive for ourselves while we blame all the negative on this "god" even the people that don't believe in a god seem to be quick to pass the buck of blame...

STFU and take responsiblity for your own actions and the actions of those around you...

the way i look at it, if people weren't pussies, if they could prevent wrong from being done to them or done to others, the world would be a better place, but this day and age, a person has wrong done to them, they feel it's there right to do wrong to others, a person sees wrong being done to others and they walk by ignoring it saying to themselves "its' not me why shoudl i care??"... this is not god's fault.. it's the pussiness/stupidity of the human race that is too blame..

dont' understand why you losers put so much emphasis on something you dn't believe in?? you create threads just to insult others?? well heres' one..

Instead of being a pussy and blaming god for not protecting you in a time of need, why don't you let yoru balls drop and do something about it yourself???

"mommmy boo hoo, I didnt' get accepted into the shool i wanted to go to, why god why did you let this happen??"

my reply if you didn't smoke so much dope you might have got accepted, thus it wasn't god's choice but your own.. IMO people use the belief of god as an excuse to be lazy, cowardess and ignorant...

instead of blaming god in this day and age, why dont' you try to blame society, afterall society has created most of the darkness in peoples lives today.. and it's not because god told us to work 9-5.. or did he?? hmmmm

Your justification for why there is a Heaven and why there has to be a Hell seems a little off, because in the afterlife people going to Heaven will never experience or know Hell and people going to Hell will never know or experience Heaven. So Heaven/Hell might as well not exist to the people in the opposite place seeing as it has no bearing on them. Unless of course you mean that the very fact that it's there creates proper balance. In which case couldn't God just leave it empty and there all alone and everyone goto Heaven instead of having people suffering. I'm not even all loving, but I know I'd rather have everyone happy then have people tortured for an eternity.

Here is something I posted before, that you either didn't read or didn't understand. It shows that there is absolutely no way "free will" can exist and that our actions are merely fomred by causation or random acts.

In free will "you" are said to make choices. But what exactly makes up "you". Why do people choose differently? There are only 2 answers to this question. The first is that your mind entagles with your environment to form "you". This shows that factors out of our control (since we cannot choose our mind or environment, if we choose to change our environment it's only because of the effect our present environment has had on us. Because we cannot choose our initial environment) make up who we are and what we do. Another answer is that God gives us souls and these souls come with the ability to make choices and come with a sense of "you" in them. In other words they come with a personality. Agian another factor out of our control make our initial self and controls our decisions.

Your initial self is formed by something out of your control wether it be your environment or God. This initial "you" will then combine with your environment to make choices. This can best be expressed through an equation 1 + 2 = 3. Now the numbers are unimporant any will do, so might as well use simple ones. Now imagine the 1 as your initial self, the 2 will represent your environment, the = is choice, and the 3 is the decision you make. Now you can run this problem through as many times as you'd like but 1 + 2 will always equal 3. The answer will never change there is only one path. Unless you were to alter something like the values of the numbers, but this would be the equivelent to going back in time and changing something to make the future different. Thus by changing something in our environments will effect us differently then if you didn't and could possibly change a decision.

What I'm getting at here is that there is only one pathway for you to choose. While there may seem like many, you must agree that in the end you can only choose one. So the question is could you have chosen differently? because this truely defines free will. If everything is controlled by factors and has only one way then there is no free will. So could you have chosen differently? It may seem easy to say yes, but when you look at the facts it's not only improbable it's impossible. For every choice there is a reason and that reason is dominant at that point in time. So if you relived your life you would make all the same decisions, because your reasons will remain the same.

Now to change a reason thus changing the decision, you have to first of all make decisions with a process that operates outside of time. Secondly and more important this process would have to be random. Because to not have a reason for a choice is to not have a basis for that choice. Without a base or reason for the choice you haven't really chosen because every choice requires a reason without a reason for doing something it becomes a random process. Even saying "I did it because I wanted to." Has a reason behind it because why did you want to? Maybe it was curiosity maybe it was something not so easy to spot. But whatever it was it was a reason or maybe it was just a random action in which case it was made by nothing more than a flip of a coin or a roll of the dice. Which of course you don't control, so there you have it decisions are either made from factors that accumulate or a random process.

So how did we get here?

yeah too much shit is perfect for it not to have been created. look at the four seasons, orbit of the earth, it's ecosystems, other planet orbits, the moon, our existance/intelligence, etc. :neo:

we will understand in the end.

Until I'm shown a couple of sources referencing what are conclusively the original Godsent stone tablets bearing the ten commandments having been found and put in a museum; this will be part of sig↓↓↓↓↓↓↓

An angel also sent Joseph Smith 2 stone tablets to help him decipher the golden plates.
Millions of mormons take this as absolute fact.Coincidentally we have no evidence of this cuz the angel took 'em back when Joe finished the translation.

http://godisimaginary.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

LOL

Until I'm shown a couple of sources referencing what are conclusively the original Godsent stone tablets bearing the ten commandments having been found and put in a museum; this will be part of sig↓↓↓↓↓↓↓

this is the shit i'm talking about right here.. babbling with no meaning... "god sent stones"???

dude if your one of the moron's questioning christianity i suggest you go educate yourself before you form an opinion...

I'm unsure of where to find god sent stones but if your looking for where the 10commandments may be check the israeli museum.. If not there maybe in the vatican..

I am questioning Christianity...please explain why I am a moron.

Also, weren't the 10 commandments in the ark of the convenant, which was lost quite awhile ago?

this is the shit i'm talking about right here.. babbling with no meaning... "god sent stones"???

dude if your one of the moron's questioning christianity i suggest you go educate yourself before you form an opinion...

I'm unsure of where to find god sent stones but if your looking for where the 10commandments may be check the israeli museum.. If not there maybe in the vatican..

I'm pretty sure the stones were never found as I've googled it a bunch and nothing has come up to confirm it.