you heard the g-men might get d. hall...

we'll see you pats in the superbowl again next year :popcorn:

you heard the g-men might get d. hall...

we'll see you pats in the superbowl again next year :popcorn:

As a Patriots fan, I am not going to get that far ahead of myself, and I would advise you to do the same. Too many teams in the AFC worry me: Chargers, Colts etc..

The Giants won it all, but it will be extremely hard to peak the way they did again. They reminded me a bit of the Patriots in '01. The '02 Patriots went 9-7 and missed the playoffs despite winning their division. The NFC will be improving this offseason for sure, and many teams that were supposed to do well this year in the NFC didn't do well at all.

It is very unpredictable.

the giants were a cinderella team this past season. and killa i just think terry has nothing left

you heard the g-men might get d. hall...

we'll see you pats in the superbowl again next year :popcorn:

Clayton on NFL Live said that the Giants #31 pick in round one will not be enough to get Hall. He suggested a First and a third may get it done.

Clayton also mentioned that four other teams are interested. He said teams picking higher would have a better chance of getting Hall.

IMO, we have the most firepower, if we want to get Hall.

If Asante is leaving we could dish our #7 pick for Hall. :sifone:

Hall is going to play 1 year with his rookie salary.

If Asante is leaving we could dish our #7 pick for Hall. :sifone:

Hall is going to play 1 year with his rookie salary.

yeah but after that hall said he's gonna be looking for 10 mill a year. if any cb is worth 10 mill a year it's not d hall that's for sure

yeah but after that hall said he's gonna be looking for 10 mill a year. if any cb is worth 10 mill a year it's not d hall that's for sure

Yeah I wasn't being serious...

Goddamn Drew Rosenhaus fucked us out of Zach Thomas.

Dan Morgan??

I'll take Danny Morgan although I was really banking on brining in Zach. I just thought Zach would be a perfect fit on New England with Seau, Bruschi, and Adalius but hopefully we can add some depth through the draft or free agency. What other MLB's are out there besides Morgan now?

i heard the cowboys have been talking with the falcons at the combine about a trade. here's the latest rumor

Update II: There’s a rumor gaining steam in the threads, apparently seen on ESPN (can anybody confirm?) that would break down like this:

Dallas gives up:
pick 22
it’s 4th rounder, 122nd
Anthony Henry
Akin Ayodele

Atlanta would give up:
D’Angelo Hall
the 37th pick (6th in round two)
the 48th pick (17th in round two)

Consider this: Akin Ayodele played at Jacksonville as a 4-3 OLB for defensive coordinator Mike Smith. The same Mike Smith who is Atlanta’s new head coach.
I tend to take rumors like this with a grain of salt, but this one appears to have a bit more juice than most.

Damn I would have to say thats a good deal for Dallas if that goes through. Not many teams are going to get downfield on Newman and Hall and with Zach Thomas Akin Ayodele becomes expendable. Bringing in the two second rounders also dominates. I would probably trade 22 for 37 and 48 so if they bring in DeAngelo for Akin, Henry, and a 4th thats a steal.

Damn I would have to say thats a good deal for Dallas if that goes through. Not many teams are going to get downfield on Newman and Hall and with Zach Thomas Akin Ayodele becomes expendable. Bringing in the two second rounders also dominates. I would probably trade 22 for 37 and 48 so if they bring in DeAngelo for Akin, Henry, and a 4th thats a steal.

just offseason speculation as of now but i agree it would be interesting to say the least. just found this rumor on asante samuel


This is per KFFL.com


Patriots | Samuel looking for 10-year contract
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:15:11 -0800

Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel, who will become an unrestricted free agent this offseason, is reportedly looking for a 10-year contract worth $100 million. He is also looking for $30 million guaranteed up front.

Asante trying to make more than Tom Brady? He can take a hike if he's looking for that kind of money. I think he's a great player and all but a $30 guaranteed contract looking for 100 mil total is ridiculous especially after dropping that sure interception that cost us the Superbowl. Pats should let him walk if hes going to be that selfish. With the 7th pick I'd want Golston but if Samuel left I'd lean Talib.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/images/gholston.jpg

yo does he look like he's a roider?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/images/gholston.jpg

yo does he look like he's a roider?

Either that or he has some fantastic supplements and great creatine.

Either that or he has some fantastic supplements and great creatine.

he had 37 reps of i think 225 on the bench today.

honestly who isn't using something in professional sports? NFL testing is a joke, everyone uses something to a degree whether it be over the counter supplements or HGH or roids... as a spectator and fan i'd rather just not think or care about it... let 'em play ball

honestly who isn't using something in professional sports? NFL testing is a joke, everyone uses something to a degree whether it be over the counter supplements or HGH or roids... as a spectator and fan i'd rather just not think or care about it... let 'em play ball

Please explain to me how NFL drug testing is a joke?

Guys are tested multiple times a year, without warning.
If you take HGH you can get away with it anywhere, anyhow, unless they have the right to take blood tests, which aren't allowed in nearly any arena.

Vernon Gholston did do 37 reps, and Sedrick Ellis did 34. Rush ends Lawrence Jackson and Derrick Harvey each had 31 reps each, respectively.

In a move that appears to be salary-cap related, the Patriots are expected to release outside linebacker Rosevelt Colvin today, according to a league source.
Colvin, a marquee free-agent signing in 2002, was scheduled to count $7.6 million against the salary cap and earn a base salary of $5.5 million. The 2008 season was the final year of his contract.
Colvin was a starter at outside linebacker in the Patriots� 3-4 scheme. His 2007 season was cut short by a foot injury sustained Nov. 25 against the Eagles, and the Patriots seemed to miss his pass rush coming down the stretch.
The 31-year-old Colvin was credited by the team�s coaches with 28 tackles last season, while adding four sacks.
With Tedy Bruschi and Junior Seau scheduled for unrestricted free agency, the Patriots have the following personnel under contract at linebacker for 2008:
Eric Alexander (2008, exclusive rights free agent)
Larry Izzo (2008, verbal agreement confirmed by agent Drew Rosenhaus)
T.J. Slaughter (2008)
Pierre Woods (2008, exclusive rights free agent)
Mike Vrabel (2009)
Oscar Lua (2010)
Adalius Thomas (2011)

lools like belicheat wants the roider from ohio state

It was obvious Colvin would be released, but it is disappointing to see him go. He has a big-time attitude (in a good way) and added a lot of intensity to the defense. That said, he could never stay healthy, and is not worth anything close to what we would have needed to give him...

I really hope we end up with Gholston, though.

I MISS FOOTBALL ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I MISS FOOTBALL ALREADY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Life sucks without it.

Patriots should be on top too.

Life sucks without it.

Patriots should be on top too.



yes life does suck without, soon there will be no Basketball also, so then we must deal with Baseball and Racing till Arena Football starts back up.

yes life does suck without, soon there will be no Basketball also, so then we must deal with Baseball and Racing till Arena Football starts back up.

Ughhhh, dont remind me.

NFL and NBA (and college football) keep me sane.

Ughhhh, dont remind me.

NFL and NBA (and college football) keep me sane.

how do think bucholtz will handle being a starter this season?

word is kevin faulk got arrested for weed.

word is kevin faulk got arrested for weed.




War Kevin Faulk !!!!!!!!!!

Faulk is the man, ain't no weed gonna be a problem for a dedicated dude like that.

It is the way to cope with losing around these parts. :sifone:

Faulk is the man, ain't no weed gonna be a problem for a dedicated dude like that.

It is the way to cope with losing around these parts. :sifone:



Imagine the Patriots without Faulk.

Imagine the Patriots without Faulk.

instead of drug using cheaters they will be just cheaters

instead of drug using cheaters they will be just cheaters

With some of the stuff you say, I take it you've never been in a huddle?

With some of the stuff you say, I take it you've never been in a huddle?

7th through 10th grade man. played safety(fs and ss) and TE.

Ty Law was at the Celts last night, and he mentioned he wants to win at this point in his career, and genuinely seemed interested in the Patriots. That said, Ty has always gone where the money is, so who knows. But he does have good memories and family here.

The Patriots have very good cap room right now. I know we don't want to overspend on any ONE player ala Asante, but we are in a decent position to sign some guys even though we do have an aging defense and Randy Moss to sign, still.

Very surprisingly, and I doubt anything comes of it, but I have heard D. Hall and Lance Briggs mentioned as possibilities because the Pats know they need speed.

Also, Junior Seau had rotator cuff surgery. His future is uncertain.

Patriots reportedly just re-signed Tedy Bruschi. Good insurance, hopefully we gave him less that 3 mill a year.

Patriots reportedly just re-signed Tedy Bruschi. Good insurance, hopefully we gave him less that 3 mill a year.

interesting how old is he gonna be next season?

interesting how old is he gonna be next season?

He'll be 35. The guy was one of the game's better MLBs for a 2-3 year span. He was very quick and could hit pretty well. Right now he has average speed and is not a hitter at all. That said, he has great play recognition and can usually take ball carriers down somehow. I would honestly prefer to have Bruschi as our #3 MLB. He led the Patriots in tackles, but honestly, a good portion of them are assisted. His leadership is a key reason why he will be back next year, and probably beyond.

Also, I should have mentioned this days ago, but as expected, we declined the extension of my favorite special teamer Kelley Washington, whom we are in negotiations with to bring back. He didn't produce as a WR for us at all this year, but I'd expect us to use either Gaffney, Chad Jackson or Washington a lot next year whether Moss returns or not (PLEASE GOD, WE NEED MOSS!)

Prior to the Bruschi signing, the Patriots had about $25 million in cap room; terms of that deal were undisclosed.

Randall Gay has just become an unrestricted free agent as well if I am correct.

LATEST REPORT: Patriots just reached an agreement with Kelley Washington. Randy Moss seemingly doesn't have an agreement in place, but we will see.

I even just heard that we are still talking to Donte Stallworth and expecting/hoping that Moss signs because of our good nature (We didn't franchise him because we didn't want to anger him). Teams may offer $10 mill a year, but we won't match it, so we have to hope he really wants to play with Tommy and crew.

Asante will certainly be leaving. Which is terrible, likely to Philly. Lito Shepherd?

This is a very interesting, but nerve wracking time. As long as we can bring back Randy I will have the utmost confidence in our front office.

Unofficial CURRENT Patriots Team Roster...

We still have 22 mil in cap space, the #7 overall pick, and 4 first day picks.

(FYI: in order of most likely starter-to-last string from left to right somewhat. Obviously, anyone a current free agent will not be on the roster.)

(position name) - denotes extra backup position slotted in depth chart for the player. Multiple positions separated by '/'.
* - rookie / practice squad.
xx - unkown jersey number.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Offense:

QB: - 12 Tom Brady | 16 Matt Cassel | 7 Matt Gutierrez*
RB: - 39 Laurence Maroney | 34 Sammy Morris | 33 Kevin Faulk
FB: - 44 Heath Evans | 38 Kyle Eckel
WR: - 83 Wes Welker | 17 Chad Jackson | 15 Kelly Washington | 19 C.J. Jones*
TE: - 84 Benjamin Watson | 86 David Thomas | 82 Stephen Spach
Left Tackle: - 72 Matt Light | 65 Wesley Britt (RT) | xx Dan Connolly* (RT?/G?)
Left Guard: - 70 Logan Mankins | 71 Russ Hochstein (C/RG) | 74 Billy Yates (RG) | xx Jimmy Martin* (T/G/C)
Center: - 67 Dan Koppen
Right Guard: - 61 Stephen Neal
Right Tackle: - 77 Nick Kaczur | 68 Ryan O'Callaghan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Defense: 3-4 base

Left DE: - 94 Ty Warren | 90 Le Kevin Smith | 92 Santonio Thomas (NT)
Nose Tackle: - 75 Vince Wilfork | 95 Mike Wright (DE)
Right DE: - 93 Richard Seymour | 97 Jarvis Green (LDE)
Outside LB: - 50 Mike Vrabel | 58 Pierre Woods
Inside LB: - 52 Eric Alexander | xx T.J. Slaughter (OLB)
Inside LB: - 54 Tedy Bruschi | 53 Larry Izzo
Outside LB: - 96 Adalius Thomas
Left CB: - 28 Antwain Spann | 35 Mike Richardson | 25 Tim Mixon*
Right CB: - 27 Ellis Hobbs | 31 Brandon Meriweather (FS/SS)
SS: - 37 Rodney Harrison | 23 Willie Andrews | 41 Ray Ventrone*
FS: - 36 James Sanders
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Special Teams:
K: - 3 Stephen Gostkowski
P: - 6 Chris Hanson
LS: - 66 Lonie Paxton
--------------------------------------------------------------

WAR TEDY BRUSCHI! Gave the Pats a fantastic hometown discount...

$1.2M signing bonus, $1M 2008 salary, $1.9M 2009 salary.

I also heard John Clayton call Eugene Wilson a "very good safety" and said the Pats should of re-signed him. He must have not watched this guy since his second season. Wilson couldn't even get on the field anymore at all. Clayton needs to watch more football.

Also, Kyle Brady is going to be gone... maybe we could bring in Bubba Franks as a situational blocking TE.

Rodgers-Cromartie said that he has met with the Patriots and that it went well, even though the team put him on the spot.

"They were the first team that made me draw something up with them, do something like that. It threw me off-guard a little bit," said Rodgers-Cromartie. "I was expecting to answer personal questions like everybody else was asking me and then you get 'Draw a defense up for me' and it threw me off guard."

3 year $27 million for Moss I am hearing/seeing.

Pats also signed special teamer WR Sam Aiken (a former 4th rder from the Bills).

HOOOORAY Moss!

yes life does suck without, soon there will be no Basketball also, so then we must deal with Baseball and Racing till Arena Football starts back up.

you take that back. uggggh no nfl and no nba wow. sux

moss signed with them crazy. i was hearing that moss and daunte culpepper were looking to play together again on a new team.

If you learn anything from me, ever, God's Son, know that Clayton has no connections to Foxboro and was basically throwing shit against the wall hoping it stuck.

nice av yo, way to rep the best sport in the world.

If you learn anything from me, ever, God's Son, know that Clayton has no connections to Foxboro and was basically throwing shit against the wall hoping it stuck.

yea. just saying what i heard not that it was truth or anything.

yea. just saying what i heard not that it was truth or anything.

Oh, I know... Clayton has been saying that BS for 2 days, I've seen it 100x. I was just trying to inform you that if Clayton doesn't have any inside info, he will basically completely reach to make it look like he has some.

And thanks BBR, NFL does PWN.

"I want to take time out to thank all of the fans for their support and for wishing me well in my return to New England," Moss wrote. "I'm ready to get back. We have some unfinished business to take care of."

"What Randy did for our team last year was outstanding," Patriots coach Bill Belichick said in a statement. "He is one of our most consistent, competitive and team-oriented players and it is undoubtedly a relationship we are excited to continue."

The Boston Herald is reporting that Randy Moss came within a hair of signing with the Philadelphia Eagles. Quoting a source, the newspaper's Web site said that Moss and the Eagles negotiated throughout the weekend and that Philadelphia thought it had him locked down at one point.

Patriots give a big "FUCK YOU" to the same journalists who idiotically smeared them.

It seems there are interesting things going on in Foxboro. NE has TOTALLY shut ESPN out. NE is refusing to talk with or even allow anyone within the organization to communicate with even the few people at ESPN NE trusts which includes Berman and Jaws. Clayton and others are very frustrated.

Similar problems exist for Peter King at Sports Illustrated. People and players within the organization he formally had relationships with have turned a blind eye to his text messages, emails and cell phone messages. King is very frustrated. A few people at NE will talk with Banks but King is persona non grata in Foxboro. King contacted the NFL and was told it was his problem since the media develops thier own relationships and if they lose them tough cookies.

They have done something similar but not quite as complete with the Herald. Tomase is absolutely shut out and could lose his Pats beat since NOBODY will talk with him. No players, coaches or team officals will even aknowledge him. Karen G has some access but it is limited.

NE continues to communicate with people at the NFL Network such as Adam Shefter and Mike Mayock which is why Shefter had inside info on Moss deal.

This was the reason NE gave Mike Reis the BB interview with the globe and shut everyone else out. This is not just a BB thing but comes from the Kraft family down.

NE is also very upset with the NFL over the handling of Walsh. NE is refusing to give Walsh blanket immunity because they know he has violated both state and federal law and they have the proof. If he gets blanket immunity they will not be able to use this info in the NE defense. Corporate Lawyers for NE and a noted Mass legal eagle feel NE is in the drivers seat with Walsh. This is why Mr Walsh and his attorney have been very quiet lately. They were provided with a partial copy of what NE has on him. Oops!!!

The only fly in the ointment here is some insiders are worried Ernie Adams might have done something with Walsh and this has put some strain on the BB/Adams relationship from limited observations. This is one reason Capers was brought in. The BB statement about never looking at or authorizing that taping seems to have a lot of validity within organization. All the coaches from back then, both still here and those gone, are willing to testify they have never heard of nor seen such a tape. This includes Crennel, Ryan at Oakland who were here then and believe it or not Eric the Rat although I'm not sure what he did back then nor if NE would trust him.

http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl&id=nwe&tid=2448558&lid=45

This is an interesting thread on the ESPN Pats message board started by someone calling themselves NEInsider. Obviously, this is completely unsubstantiated. But I thought the post was interesting nonetheless.

Pats signed S Tank Williams from the Vikings (easily replaces Eugene Wilson) and are supposedly in talks with Grady Jackson. The only question mark with Tank is his health, the guy tore his left ACL twice.

yo killa, now that a lot of free agents have signed gimme a quick mock draft. i need another opinion on something so a quick mock from you could help. you seem to know a lot more about college football than me.

The top 10 is decent, after that... I need more time...

1. Dolphins - Chris Long
I think they are sold (at least enough) to stick with John Beck at QB. If they can trade down they will. Parcells always loves to build defense first, and what better way to start a 3-4 than with a great OLB (who can fill Jason Taylor's shoes, should he leave/retire).
2. Rams - Glenn Dorsey
The Rams need DT help despite last year's first rounder Adam Carriker. In the 4-3 defense they could also use Gholston, but Dorsey seems to be rated higher on scouts boards and is firmly solidified as the #1 DT.
3. Falcons - Matt Ryan
With the release of QB Joey Harrington, this seems obvious as long as the 'Phins don't trade.
4. Raiders - Jake Long
Because the Robert Gallery selection obviously didn't work out, JaMarcus Russell needs a top tier LT to protect him. I think they will be tempted to take McFadden, but I don't see how they could pass on Long, who is a prototypical tackle prospect at 6'7" with 37 bench reps and great footwork.
5. Chiefs - Ryan Clady
I am hesitant to say they won't take a DT because they need one, but they really need a RT as well. Ryan Clady has sky rocketed up draft boards since the offseason workouts began and this seems to be the consensus among insiders.
6. Jets - Darren McFadden
Yes, they have Thomas Jones, and too many needs to go after a RB, but McFadden is the best player, and NY needs a play-maker.
7. Patriots - Vernon Gholston
I believe the Patriots will trade down if possible, but if they do choose in this slot, Gholston is a no-brainer. A guy who can rush the passer with freakish athletic ability, Gholston would seemingly fit in beautifully in the Pats 3-4 defense and inject youth and speed.
8. Ravens - Brian Brohm
I think that the Ravens should trade down and look for offensive line help, or take Brohm later... that said, I can't write all that in a mock. If they stick here they could take McKelvin as well. They will take a QB on day one though.
9. Bengals - Philip Merling
The Bengals clearly need defensive help. This 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB from Clemson seems to fit the bill. Justin Smith is gone, and they need some pass rushing to help Robert Geather. DT would also be a possibility, but I doubt it with Zimmer coming in. He seems to really like Peko.
10. Saints - Leodis McKelvin
McKelvin seems to be Mr. Consistent. He looks good on tape, he ran well at the combine, and he seems to be a good character guy. If he slips past the top 10 I would be surprised and the Saints secondary is in dire need of an upgrade. It's been a while since the Saints had anything resembling a shutdown corner.
11. Bills - Limas Sweed
The Bills could certainly use a DE or CB as well, but a WR to compliment Lee Evans wouldn't be a bad idea. Roscoe Parrish and Lee are both speed guys and Limas is 6'4 220 with a good vert and solid speed. If Limas hadn't missed his final year in college, he would certainly be going this high if he does slip.
12. Broncos - Sedrick Ellis
A quick but strong 4-3 defensive tackle, Ellis has the burst to rush the passer, but the low stance to clog the middle. Would certainly not work in a 3-4, but I think with the suspension of Marcus Thomas, the Broncos need a DT.
13. Panthers - OLB Keith Rivers
With Jon Beason becoming their MLB last year, they could use a little help on the outside. Rivers would seemingly be a great compliment and add more speed to a defense that needs a burst of energy. If there is a high level defensive end available here, I would be surprised if they passed on him.
14. Bears - Jeff Otah
With Fred Miller all but dead, the Bears need a capable replacement at RT. WR is also a concern. Jeff Otah is raw, but has all the skills you look for in a future stud at RT.
15. Lions - Aqib Talib
I hope Matt Millen realizes he is a moron and just quits before the draft. If he picks, he will probably take a RB, because the offensive philosophy has changed into running the ball. I hope not.
16. Cardinals - Mike Jenkins
Although the Cardinals desperately need a pass rusher, and could use a RB, they really need a CB with Antrel Rolle moving to safety. Jenkins will seemingly be available, and would be a safe choice.
17. Vikings - Calais Campbell
The Vikings still need help at WR, but I don't see them taking one here. I think they will look for the replacement to Kenechi Udeze, who unfortunately was diagnosed with Leukemia. Campbell is about 6'8, but I'm not sure if he is the pass rusher the Vikes want.
18. Texans - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
The Texans need secondary help. Rodgers-Cromartie is a wild card in this draft because he is as athletic as they come, but hasn't played at a high level of competition. His cousin has helped his draft stock tremendously.
19. Eagles - Derrick Harvey
20. Buccaneers -Kenny Phillips
21. Redskins - Quentin Groves
22. Cowboys - Kentwan Balmer
The guy is a beast, and after the Ferguson deal, you guys could use an athletic DT.
23. Steelers - Malcolm Kelly
24. Titans - DeSean Jackson
25. Seahawks -Rashard Mendenhall
26. Jaguars - Branden Albert
27. Chargers - Jeff Otah
28. Cowboys - Felix Jones
Just because Jerry is so gay with RBs and you have confirmed that all RB's with the "Jones" surname are welcome additions to the Cowboys.
29. 49ers - Quentin Groves
30. Packers - James Stewart
31*. TRADED BY THE PATRIOTS FOR THE ABILITY TO "CHEAT" FOR 30 SECONDS.
31. Giants - Dan Connor

i hate it for 2 reasons.

#1 were taking a fucking jones who i want no part of.

#2cowboys don't get mcfadden:wah:

i hate it for 2 reasons.

#1 were taking a fucking jones who i want no part of.

#2cowboys don't get mcfadden:wah:

I'm a lot better at speculating near the draft on what teams are thinking. At this point no specifics are even mentioned within war rooms (beyond maybe the top 10-12 picks).

I can tell you what I would do for each team and it would be completely different. I can completely rank each position in this draft class, and that would probably showcase what I (think I) know in a more effective way.

BTW Felix Jones is trash. I doubt he'll really be a first rounder.

I'm a lot better at speculating near the draft on what teams are thinking. At this point no specifics are even mentioned within war rooms (beyond maybe the top 10-12 picks).

I can tell you what I would do for each team and it would be completely different. I can completely rank each position in this draft class, and that would probably showcase what I (think I) know in a more effective way.

BTW Felix Jones is trash. I doubt he'll really be a first rounder.

yeah i know he's a product of gimmick plays and having the opposing defense focus on mcfadden. yo seriously if the boys don't draft mcfadden i'm gonna kill someone.

yeah i know he's a product of gimmick plays and having the opposing defense focus on mcfadden. yo seriously if the boys don't draft mcfadden i'm gonna kill someone.

LOL

It is funny how you guys want him so badly. You don't even really need him.

I say you guys go in the season with Barber and Warrick Dunn (who supposedly wants to play in the Big D). Then you have two first which I would go DB (Cromartie?) and WR (DeSean Jackson?) in all likelihood. That would add a lot of speed for sure.

yeah i heard we have no interest in warrick done(lol cause that's what he is) though. i think we can find a decent 3rd or 4th corner in fa and the 2nd round of the draft. idk i haven't wanted the cowboys to draft a player so bad since Randy moss and look how he turned out. i just feel mcfadden could help us more in the long run than a rookie cb and wr at #22 and #28 in the draft. I also think that because i think dmac is gonna be special. plus history shows we have drafted trash with #22 and #28 1st round picks.

yeah i heard we have no interest in warrick done(lol cause that's what he is) though. i think we can find a decent 3rd or 4th corner in fa and the 2nd round of the draft. idk i haven't wanted the cowboys to draft a player so bad since Randy moss and look how he turned out. i just feel mcfadden could help us more in the long run than a rookie cb and wr at #22 and #28 in the draft. I also think that because i think dmac is gonna be special. plus history shows we have drafted trash with #22 and #28 1st round picks.

Yeah, I can understand your logic.

I say Warrick still has something left in the tank. He still has his speed and has always been an inconsistent performer (explanation for his bad year last year). I am afraid he will end up in Indy and help the Colts a lot.

I don't think you guys have too much at CB behind Newman. Henry is decent, but he doesn't have speed to match up with some guys. Good corners are hard to come by. Hell, the Pats could use a #1.

I guess you guys are parting ways with Terry Glenn, and Javon Walker obviously got ridiculously overpaid. Who do you see filling in?

Yeah, I can understand your logic.

I say Warrick still has something left in the tank. He still has his speed and has always been an inconsistent performer (explanation for his bad year last year). I am afraid he will end up in Indy and help the Colts a lot.

I don't think you guys have too much at CB behind Newman. Henry is decent, but he doesn't have speed to match up with some guys.

idk man the fucking draft needs to get here so i can find out if im gonna have to kill somebody or not

Just an interesting spreadsheet showing all of Brady's career TD passes... Moss is #1 after one season, LOL.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9929/bradytd2007kf0.png

They've been judged and convicted as thieves for openly taping the "all important" signals that are only visible to everyone in the stadium.

Vrabel with 10 TD's haha. I really hope Warrick doesn't go to Indianapolis or Dallas. He can be a huge weapon on screens in the open field something that Atlanta never used him on for whatever reason. I want Gholston or DRC but if Mcfaddens there I think the Pats should swap with the Cowboys.

Any news on Ty Law?

No Ty Law news. He hasn't visited/talked to any teams except Patriots (from what I've figured out).

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LOLOLOL

Fernando Bryant signed by Patriots. I liked this guy as a potential #2 or nickelback for years, but let's hope this isn't another "Duane Starks experiment. He has great speed, but never had a great ability to make plays on the ball, and he has been quite injury prone the past 3 seasons. He had an offer on the table from the Broncos, but took the Patriots' offer instead.

It looks like the Patriots are doing everything they can to get a lot of depth at the CB position. Lewis Sanders, Jason Webster and now Fernando Bryant are veteran journey men, but that is how the Patriots made a splash in 2001. They signed a bunch of veterans and saw what stuck.

Basically it comes down to the fact that Belichick likes Asante, but doesn't think he is a FRANCHISE corner. There really aren't many DB's in the game worth $10 million a year, if you can spend that money dominating the front 7, it makes the defenses job easier. WARRR PATRIOTS!

Scouting report via Scouts Inc.,
Grade 65

Expert's Take Bryant is a nine-year veteran who played with diminishing skills in 2007. He is an averaged sized defender that relied on his great quickness, speed and instincts to be effective out on an island. Bryant still moves well but has lost a step in coverage to stay in receivers hip pockets. He continues to have solid closing burst and effective transition movement in zone coverage but tends to play to cautiously giving too big a cushion. He has been inconsistent in pure man coverage verse the top speed receivers in the league. He is a willing run support player but isnt a physical tackler and can be ineffective rerouting receivers off the line of scrimmage. Bryant plays with great confidence and instincts as he reads route progressions well and anticipates throws to make plays on the ball. He has good natural reacter and bounced back in 2008 with a solid season after missing time the prior three years. Bryant still has talent but his age is showing and he may be best with an established defensive unit that fields impressive pass rushers.

EDIT: We seem to have most of these veteran DBs on one year deals. This means only a few will actually play for the PATRIOTS. Keep in mind that Dom Capers has coached Lew Sanders before.

Fernando Bryant signed by Patriots. I liked this guy as a potential #2 or nickelback for years, but let's hope this isn't another "Duane Starks experiment. He has great speed, but never had a great ability to make plays on the ball, and he has been quite injury prone the past 3 seasons. He had an offer on the table from the Broncos, but took the Patriots' offer instead.

It looks like the Patriots are doing everything they can to get a lot of depth at the CB position. Lewis Sanders, Jason Webster and now Fernando Bryant are veteran journey men, but that is how the Patriots made a splash in 2001. They signed a bunch of veterans and saw what stuck.

Basically it comes down to the fact that Belichick likes Asante, but doesn't think he is a FRANCHISE corner. There really aren't many DB's in the game worth $10 million a year, if you can spend that money dominating the front 7, it makes the defenses job easier. WARRR PATRIOTS!

Scouting report via Scouts Inc.,
Grade 65

Expert's Take Bryant is a nine-year veteran who played with diminishing skills in 2007. He is an averaged sized defender that relied on his great quickness, speed and instincts to be effective out on an island. Bryant still moves well but has lost a step in coverage to stay in receivers hip pockets. He continues to have solid closing burst and effective transition movement in zone coverage but tends to play to cautiously giving too big a cushion. He has been inconsistent in pure man coverage verse the top speed receivers in the league. He is a willing run support player but isnt a physical tackler and can be ineffective rerouting receivers off the line of scrimmage. Bryant plays with great confidence and instincts as he reads route progressions well and anticipates throws to make plays on the ball. He has good natural reacter and bounced back in 2008 with a solid season after missing time the prior three years. Bryant still has talent but his age is showing and he may be best with an established defensive unit that fields impressive pass rushers.

EDIT: We seem to have most of these veteran DBs on one year deals. This means only a few will actually play for the Celtics. Keep in mind that Dom Capers has coached Lew Sanders before.


damn, boston sports teams sure are tight huh?

damn, boston sports teams sure are tight huh?

LOL, wow... I'm glad you caught that... it meant someone is actually reading my posts.

what's next is ellsbury gonna go play db for the pats? or maybe brady will come out of the sox bullpen this year?

what's next is ellsbury gonna go play db for the pats? or maybe brady will come out of the sox bullpen this year?

Hmmm... I might have to run that one by Theo. Wouldn't be bad to add some insurance.

Hmmm... I might have to run that one by Theo. Wouldn't be bad to add some insurance.

yeah give okajima a rest. man, my av is fucking sick!

yeah give okajima a rest. man, my av is fucking sick!

LOL true, how bout your user title...

Plastic Guy (aka JJ) loves DMC

LOL true, how bout your user title...

Plastic Guy (aka JJ) loves DMC

hahaha i'm feeling that! hey change it to plasticface lol

Offense:

QB: - 12 Tom Brady | 16 Matt Cassel | 7 Matt Gutierrez*
RB: - 39 Laurence Maroney | 34 Sammy Morris | 33 Kevin Faulk
FB: - 44 Heath Evans | 38 Kyle Eckel
WR: - 81 Randy Moss| 83 Wes Welker | 10 Jabar Gaffney | 17 Chad Jackson | 15 Kelley Washington | xx Sam Aiken | 19 C.J. Jones*
TE: - 84 Benjamin Watson | 86 David Thomas | 82 Stephen Spach
Left Tackle: - 72 Matt Light | 65 Wesley Britt (RT)
Left Guard: - 70 Logan Mankins | 71 Russ Hochstein (C/RG) | 74 Billy Yates (RG) | xx Jimmy Martin* (T/RG/C)
Center: - 67 Dan Koppen
Right Guard: - 61 Stephen Neal | 63 Dan Connolly* (C/LG)
Right Tackle: - 77 Nick Kaczur | 68 Ryan O'Callaghan
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Defense: 3-4 base

Left DE: - 94 Ty Warren | 90 Le Kevin Smith | 92 Santonio Thomas (NT)
Nose Tackle: - 75 Vince Wilfork | 99 Mike Wright (DE)
Right DE: - 93 Richard Seymour | 97 Jarvis Green (LDE)
Outside LB: - 50 Mike Vrabel | 58 Pierre Woods
Inside LB: - 52 Eric Alexander | xx T.J. Slaughter (OLB)
Inside LB: - 54 Tedy Bruschi | 53 Larry Izzo
Outside LB: - 96 Adalius Thomas
Left CB: - xx Fernando Bryant| xx Jason Webster (RCB) | xx Lewis Sanders (RCB)
Right CB: - 27 Ellis Hobbs | 28 Antwain Spann | 35 Mike Richardson | 25 Tim Mixon*
SS: - 37 Rodney Harrison | xx Clevan Williams | 23 Willie Andrews (FS) | 41 Ray Ventrone*
FS: - 36 James Sanders (SS) | 31 Brandon Meriweather (CB)
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Special Teams:
K: - 3 Stephen Gostkowski
P: - 6 Chris Hanson
LS: - 66 Lonie Paxton
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Patriots SUCK !!!!!!!! GO STEELERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just met Kevin Faulk really quick at one of those police-Patriots basketball games. The guy was cool and signed a little sweet rookie card me and my bro had of him. I asked him how we was doing he said good and asked me, I was like "not too bad man". The I said good luck next year and patted him on the back and he was happy to hear it and said thanks. Fucking sweet... plus I was baked, and he probably knew.

I just met Kevin Faulk really quick at one of those police-Patriots basketball games. The guy was cool and signed a little sweet rookie card me and my bro had of him. I asked him how we was doing he said good and asked me, I was like "not too bad man". The I said good luck next year and patted him on the back and he was happy to hear it and said thanks. Fucking sweet... plus I was baked, and he probably knew.

he was probably baked too lol. but that's cool man. a guy on my cowboy site said he met jerimiah trotter the other day. i'll post what he said in the nfl thread.

PALM BEACH, Fla., – Patriots chairman and CEO Robert Kraft drew a large media crowd at The Breakers, and spoke strongly when asked about the lingering issue of the team’s videotaping procedures.

“A newspaper made a damaging allegation about the so-called Matt Walsh affair. I believe it’s something that never happened,” Kraft said. “If so, why wouldn’t -- two months later – anything have come out? But we live in a society where people can make any kind of allegations. But then, it has to be substantiated.”

Lawyers for the NFL and Walsh continue to work toward a resolution. Kraft was asked how important it is to him that a resolution is reached so there can be closure to the issue.

“I’m looking forward to him speaking, and hopefully cleaning this up and completely exonerating us,” Kraft said. “It’s kind of strange that six or seven years after … I know ourselves and the NFL have done everything we can do to help his lawyers have him speak.

“But he never signed any confidentiality statement with us, so as far as I’m concerned, I don’t know why he doesn’t just come out and speak.”

The possibility of Walsh never speaking was presented to Kraft. Would Kraft and the Patriots feel comfortable moving forward if that was the case?

“We’ve moved forward,” Kraft said. “When anyone attacks you, as an individual … Anyone in this world of 24-hour-a-day media, seven days a week, can attack anything. But it’s about substantiation. Allegations were made and why it took five, six years to come out, and then two months after it’s come out, there is nothing … you folks decide why that hasn’t happened."

Kraft, who said he did not remember Walsh, spoke for about 10 minutes and the first question directed to him was about the team’s videotaping procedures.

Kraft responded by saying: “We just finished a season where we went 16 games, having the first perfect season. I step back and we broke a rule the first week of the season and we were penalized very heavily for that, and had one of the most amazing … we won 18 games in a row. A day or two before the Super Bowl, a damaging allegation came out that seven weeks later, there has been no confirmation. So, to me, we’re way beyond that.

“As I reflect back on this season, I think years from now – and I know our fans feel this way – they’ll relish this season and realize how remarkable it was. It’s something we’re pretty proud of. We’re sorry it didn’t end the way we wanted to, but it was pretty remarkable.”

Kraft did acknowledge that he is not over the Super Bowl loss at this point. He also answered a question on whether he feels the franchise's previous three Super Bowls were tainted in any way.

“I think we’ve covered the subject. We broke a rule the first week of the season, we were penalized very heavily, and look what happened after that game," he said. "To me, that says more than anything."

When Gaffney's contract expired after the 2007 season, he told his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, he was only interested in re-signing with the Patriots. Perhaps he would have been swayed had another club called with a megabucks offer, but it turns out Gaffney didn't even seriously listen to other suitors.

PALM BEACH, Fla. - The Patriots have considerable talent and depth at running back, yet that isn't stopping team officials from flying Darren McFadden up to Foxborough for a visit.

NFL teams are allowed to host up to 30 out-of-town prospects before the draft, and the Patriots' visit with the Arkansas back - scheduled for April 10-11 - should generate buzz relating to New England having the seventh overall draft choice.

Is there genuine interest in McFadden? Might it be a smoke screen? Or is it just due diligence as part of the scouting process?

PALM BEACH, Fla. - The Patriots have considerable talent and depth at running back, yet that isn't stopping team officials from flying Darren McFadden up to Foxborough for a visit.

NFL teams are allowed to host up to 30 out-of-town prospects before the draft, and the Patriots' visit with the Arkansas back - scheduled for April 10-11 - should generate buzz relating to New England having the seventh overall draft choice.

Is there genuine interest in McFadden? Might it be a smoke screen? Or is it just due diligence as part of the scouting process?

i doubt they would take dmac if he even fell that far. they need defensive help

i doubt they would take dmac if he even fell that far. they need defensive help

Probably, but Patriots go by their draft boards.

We can pick up Seward for a 5th to bring some youth to the LB corps, we already signed like 5 DB's.

I expect us to go defense, but 5 of the top 6 players (Long, Long, Gholston, Ryan, Dorsey) are gone, I wouldn't be shocked.

NFL | K. Jones arrested
Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:12:30 -0700

ABCActionNews.com reports free-agent OT Kenyatta Jones (Redskins) was arrested Monday, March 31. Police said Jones was standing on the dance floor of the Blue Martini when he attempted to urinate on the floor. Jones shoved an officer while he was being escorted out of the club. He is being charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, obstructing or opposing an officer with violence and trespassing on property.


those stupid foreskins hahaha

NFL | K. Jones arrested
Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:12:30 -0700

ABCActionNews.com reports free-agent OT Kenyatta Jones (Redskins) was arrested Monday, March 31. Police said Jones was standing on the dance floor of the Blue Martini when he attempted to urinate on the floor. Jones shoved an officer while he was being escorted out of the club. He is being charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, obstructing or opposing an officer with violence and trespassing on property.


those stupid foreskins hahaha

Patriots got rid of him when he threw hot coffee on some bitch he was mad at. LOL

I fucking misread this at first and thought it was my boy Kevin Jones. Trrrbll.

BTW My choice for the Patriots in the first round at this point is DE/OLB Quentin Groves from Auburn.
I am high on this guy because he loves playing in the 3-4 where he claims he can better read plays, he has 4.5 speed, 30 bench reps, experience outside and inside, at about 6'3" 259.


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PS I think Gholston will go earlier than 7, where the Patriots choose.

Groves is dope, would improve most defenses.

Patriots aren't alone in wanting 'Spygate' controversy to be over with
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/default.htm

“So, I assume you guys want to talk about the ‘force out’ rule?” That was Patriots coach Bill Belichick’s opening line to the throng of reporters who gathered to talk to him at the league’s meeting in Florida this week, a joke used to make light of the “Spygate” situation that was obviously the most pressing issue on the media members’ minds. But as one team source told us, Belichick’s opening quip and generally upbeat mood was indicative of his belief that not only does he have nothing to hide regarding the allegations that the Patriots taped a walk-through before their Super Bowl XXXVI victory over the Rams, but that he’s getting the sense that most league types are similarly sick of the issue. The source also told us that he highly doubts former cameraman Matt Walsh will speak out on the matter. Walsh has insinuated that he knows something shady about the Patriots’ practices, although we hear that, at this point, Walsh is regretting being a bit loose-lipped in a smattering of interviews with a couple of media outlets a few months ago. Now, Walsh, who works as an assistant golf pro in Hawaii and has a wife and baby, wants this saga to be over with so he can get on with his life. According to a source, reports that he’s grandstanding for attention are utterly erroneous.

The tit-for-tat between the New York Jets and New England Patriots continued on Monday, with the Pats signing one of the Jets’ free agents.

Specifically, the Pats have agreed to terms with linebacker Victor Hobson on a one-year deal, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

Hobson, a second-round pick in 2003, has spent all five of his NFL seasons with the Jets. He started 14 games in 2007, 16 games in 2006, and 16 games in 2005.

"I'm preparing to be a football player," said Meriweather, who got a jump-start on offseason conditioning by training with fellow University of Miami football alums Santana Moss of the Washington Redskins, Reggie Wayne of the Indianapolis Colts, and Ed Reed of the Baltimore Ravens, among others, on the Miami campus.

"I'm not trying to go in thinking whether I'm a safety or a corner or whether I'm a kicker or quarterback. I'm just going in to be an athlete. Whatever my team needs, I'll do."

Asked if he could replace Samuel or Gay, Meriweather toed the company line - whatever is in the best interest of the team.

"I feel like this is a great organization, and everything they do is for the best of the team, so whatever they're going to do is going to be strictly up to Coach Bill [Belichick], so if you really want that question answered, you have to ask Bill."

Pats signed Marcus Pollard, who will be cut by the end of camp.

Sweet survey of 100+ Patriots Mock drafts:
http://www.199overall.com/?q=node/2

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WALSH DEAL COMING
Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 11:09 a.m.

Peter King of SI.com suggests in his MMQB column (which we sometimes don’t get around to perusing until TM) that the legal stalemate between the NFL and former Patriots video employee Matt Walsh could be resolved by the end of the week. (And we’re hearing that something could happen as soon as today.)

Writes King: “I can’t imagine Roger Goodell stepping in front of the media Saturday at the draft and figuring out some other way to say, ‘I think we’re close to a deal with him’ in some different way than he’s said it 53 times in the last two months.”

Amen. The last thing the league needs is another sideshow to distract from the draft. Remember last year’s Mike Vick fiasco? Vick was in attendance at Radio City Music Hall in connection with the league’s tribute to the victims of the Virginia Tech shootings, only days after more than 50 dogs were removed from his property in Virginia.

“I’m never at the house,” Vick said while in New York. “I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven’t been doing the right thing.”

(And if you don’t know the rest of that story, we suggest that you cut the hair, shave the beard, and trim the nails that have been growing during your prolonged coma.)

Though Goodell is certain to be asked about the impact of Pacman’s hush money payment to the strip club shooter, Goodell can avoid being pressed about the chronic lack of a deal with Walsh if a deal with Walsh can get done.

(For those of you who were in a prolonged coma, Walsh has strongly hinted that he knows something about previously undisclosed cheating activities by the Patriots. A February 2 report from the Boston Herald claiming that the Pats videotaped the Rams walk-through practice prior to Super Bowl XXXVI is widely believed to have been based on off-the-record information supplied by Walsh.)

Jerod Mayo:
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Terrence Wheatley:
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Shawn Crable "cheapshot" on Troy Smith:
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Kevin O'Connell:
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Why the Patriots had are what they are:

The Pats started the draft with picks in rounds 1-2-3-3.
They used draft picks in rounds 1-2-3-3.

- They got a 2nd rounder for next year for pick #69.

- Presumably they got who they wanted in round 2, given how long it took them to make the selection (immediately took Wheatley). My favorite pick of the draft.

- They got who they wanted with the lower 3rd-rounder, as they were on the phone with Crable about taking him at #69, then made the SD trade, then still got him at #78.

- It sure sounds like they hit their target with O'Connell at #94.

+We gave #7 and our 5th rounder to NO for #10 and their 3rd rounder.
+We gave Oakland's 3rd rounder from this year to SD for the 2009 2nd plus a 5th.

who were you guys l;ining up at the #2 wr spot in ota's?

who were you guys l;ining up at the #2 wr spot in ota's?

Gaffney and Chad Jackson were rotating.

In all honesty, by the Superbowl Stallworth was our #4 guy behind Gaffney.

Supposedly Jackson looks awesome, and Gaffney stuck around for cheap so he could be the #2 guy. I cannot wait to be blessed enough to watch this team again.

Gaffney and Chad Jackson were rotating.

In all honesty, by the Superbowl Stallworth was our #4 guy behind Gaffney.

Supposedly Jackson looks awesome, and Gaffney stuck around for cheap so he could be the #2 guy. I cannot wait to be blessed enough to watch this team again.

yeah dude i'm starting to get excited knowing preseason is only like 5 weeks away

yeah dude i'm starting to get excited knowing preseason is only like 5 weeks away

definitely, im readying to buy autographs of this year "breakout stars" or guys that are still under the radar for some reason: ernie sims, david harris, roscoe parrish, lamarr woodley, demeco ryans, roddy white, kenny phillips, quentin groves, jamaal charles etc.

are you satisfied with crayton at #2 (not having welker and all)?

definitely.

are you satisfied with crayton at #2 (not having welker and all)?

it's ok. he's better at the slot cause he knows how to find the holes in the defense. word is our wr Miles Austin is turning some heads. kid is Big and has great speed just suspect hands. hopefully that 3 year wr rule will remain true with Miles.

it's ok. he's better at the slot cause he knows how to find the holes in the defense. word is our wr Miles Austin is turning some heads. kid is Big and has great speed just suspect hands. hopefully that 3 year wr rule will remain true with Miles.

Who knows maybe the pro coaching will help him, but from what I've seen he is more of a special-teams demon. His speed, size and jumping abilities are unquestionable though, so that could be a good sleeper.

WAR GIANTS :victory:

I think Mayo is going to be unstoppable with Bill Belichick leading the charge mentally defensively. I think Crable is a guy that with proper coaching can put on 15-20 pounds and become an absolute force on the outside. I am hoping Wheatley can get it done since our cornerbacks are not nearly as elite as the other positions. I'm not worried about WR at all. Gaffney and Chad Jackson will be stellar and you will see more of Welker in motion going outside and in motion from outside coming into the slot. We are going to maxmize Wes' abilities and implement a heavy dose of Gaff or Chad or both.

Patriots Player Faces Gun Assault Charge

Woman Says Andrews Threatened Her With Gun


POSTED: 3:02 pm EDT June 30, 2008
UPDATED: 3:18 pm EDT June 30, 2008

BOSTON -- A New England Patriots defensive back is accused of pointing a gun at his fiancee's head in Mansfield on Monday after she accused him of cheating on her.

The woman told police that she confronted Willie Andrews, 24, in a bedroom of his apartment on Sunday night, according to the Sun Chronicle. She said that Andrews was waving the gun and that it touched her temple, the newspaper reported.

The woman called 911, and when police arrived, Andrews allowed police to search his car. Police did not find a gun. The woman took her child to a hotel, police said.

Early Monday morning, police saw Andrews talking to the woman in the hotel parking lot. She told police that she was scared because he "threatened to shoot her in the past."

Andrews was later arrested at his apartment and charged with assault with a dangerous weapon.

Earlier this year, Andrews was charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute after police allegedly found him with a half-pound of marijuana.

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