Gay Lakers=A bunch of whiny bitches... Kobe and Phil can't keep their respective mouths shut, though they do look like a good TEAM lately. I just don't like them. Obviously, because I am a true Celtics fan. I hope they do well, but I want to smash those fags in the finals (like every year should be).

What emphasis? STFU. <<--- I honestly think you imagined this, maybe you think I am pompous because I can communicate my usually thought out opinions and sound 1/2 way intelligent?

You are a douche for being so insecure that you take an absolute joke (who other New England residents do find funny and which wasn't even addressed to you) and analyze it.

You go to USC? What are they the champions at? Not football, not basketball, not baseball. So I don't really care. Plus, that is amateur sports, we're talking the ELITE of the ELITE.

i wasnt even talking about sports when i mentioned USC. I meant i'm a better person than you because of it. just the way you implied you were a better person because you lived in boston. i won't even address anything else because it's a waste of time. i'm going to go take a final and further my education to becoming a wealthy and successful person as you stay on the internet.

to each their own i guess.

i wasnt even talking about sports when i mentioned USC. I meant i'm a better person than you because of it. just the way you implied you were a better person because you lived in boston. i won't even address anything else because it's a waste of time. i'm going to go take a final and further my education to becoming a wealthy and successful person as you stay on the internet.

to each their own i guess.

Damn, I never realized USC was Ivy League... maybe I should apply?

Also, I have never implied such a thing, just joked about it. You, my friend, have implied it. As I said, you must be insecure, or really bored to start this whole garbage. You shouldn't have addressed this originally, it was all a waste of time.

Good luck in becoming "wealthy and successful".

Damn, I never realized USC was Ivy League... maybe I should apply?

nah don't bother. i'd doubt you'd be accepted.

nah don't bother. i'd doubt you'd be accepted.

Yeah, I forgot you went to H.S. with me and saw my lousy grades and horrid board scores :-(. Keep telling yourself that USC is THE shit. Undergrad work means little, unless you are getting your masters, I am not overly impressed. That said, USC is a good school, I hope you enjoy it.

Yeah, I forgot you went to H.S. with me and saw my lousy grades and horrid board scores :-(. Keep telling yourself that USC is THE shit. Undergrad work means little, unless you are getting your masters, I am not overly impressed. That said, USC is a good school, I hope you enjoy it.

i think it would be best if you guys just beat the shit out of eachother and than watched a lakers vs celtics game for bragging rights

USC is gay. Its a place where homos that can't make it in the big time shine. Pete Carroll couldn't make it in New England but shined at USC just as Reggie can't get it done in the pros. Matt Leinart and Mike Williams as well. Your love for your school is also quite gay guy. Would you bang the institution if possible? It likes you because your so smart but doesn't like others. What a cute relationship you got going on with your school faggot. Fuck the Lakers too by the way. Kobe rips on Andrew Bynum and is now his best friend. Great leadership. Lebron is also better than Kobe. Lebron improves each player on his team unlike Kobe who can do it in spurts but is too selfish. But Reggie Bush was the best football player on the planet 2-3 years ago right?

soooooo... how bout them Patriots...

USC is gay. Its a place where homos that can't make it in the big time shine. Pete Carroll couldn't make it in New England but shined at USC just as Reggie can't get it done in the pros. Matt Leinart and Mike Williams as well. Your love for your school is also quite gay guy. Would you bang the institution if possible? It likes you because your so smart but doesn't like others. What a cute relationship you got going on with your school faggot. Fuck the Lakers too by the way. Kobe rips on Andrew Bynum and is now his best friend. Great leadership. Lebron is also better than Kobe. Lebron improves each player on his team unlike Kobe who can do it in spurts but is too selfish. But Reggie Bush was the best football player on the planet 2-3 years ago right?

for real i mean just look at these current nfl players who played for usc: carson palmer,junior seau,justin fargas,troy polamalu,lendale white,lofa tatupu,willie mcginest

for real i mean just look at these current nfl players who played for usc: carson palmer,junior seau,justin fargas,troy polamalu,lendale white,lofa tatupu,willie mcginest

you are right, but that rant was funny imo. plus, a lot of guys from USC are anointed the next big thing prematurely.

you are right, but that rant was funny imo. plus, a lot of guys from USC are anointed the next big thing prematurely.

oh i know. the texans look like fucking geniuses for taking mario williams who has 13 sacks this season. meanwhile reggie bush is done for the year with an injury plus he fumbled 8 times this season. his former usc teammate lendale white just happens to be 47 yards away from a 1,000 yard season while bush has a little over that in 2 seasons combined.

My point of the post was to show that it doesn't matter where you are from all that matters is how you get things done in the real world in your occupation. USC didn't prepare Bush any more than Hofstra prepared Marques Colston. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter if that dude thinks hes a big timer because hes enrolled at USC it matters how successful you are in your future. Willie, Seau, Polamalu, and Lofa are beasts.

I also agree that Jacksonville along with Indy will be our toughest opponents come playoff time. The Jags have 2 real good backs who are physical runners. Something I probably would not have described Fred Taylor as in the past. With MJ-D Fred seems to have upped his intensity and changed his running style a bit. Defensively the Jags have a beastly D-Line but no one to lock up Wes Welker in the slot. Offensively the run game will be a tough task for the NE Defense if we play them but their receivers are nothing to write home about. Hopefully two nice wins to win out the regular season and go 16-0 and homefield throughout the playoffs. War Pats!

My point of the post was to show that it doesn't matter where you are from all that matters is how you get things done in the real world in your occupation. USC didn't prepare Bush any more than Hofstra prepared Marques Colston. The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter if that dude thinks hes a big timer because hes enrolled at USC it matters how successful you are in your future. Willie, Seau, Polamalu, and Lofa are beasts.

I also agree that Jacksonville along with Indy will be our toughest opponents come playoff time. The Jags have 2 real good backs who are physical runners. Something I probably would not have described Fred Taylor as in the past. With MJ-D Fred seems to have upped his intensity and changed his running style a bit. Defensively the Jags have a beastly D-Line but no one to lock up Wes Welker in the slot. Offensively the run game will be a tough task for the NE Defense if we play them but their receivers are nothing to write home about. Hopefully two nice wins to win out the regular season and go 16-0 and homefield throughout the playoffs. War Pats!
he's been a good physical runner for a while since he has 10,000 career rushing yards. he's just gotten hurt a lot. man you seriously don't know shit about football outside of new england.

he's been a good physical runner for a while since he has 10,000 career rushing yards. he's just gotten hurt a lot. man you seriously don't know shit about football outside of new england.

He's been physical, and I wouldn't say he's recently changed his style, but he is running with more will than he has in previous years, that is for sure.

Fred Taylor hasn't been steamrolling backs or watching film specifically to " see what cornerbacks I can run over" since his rookie year. So fuck off Roy. Fred Taylor did in fact say about 2 weeks ago as he is getting older his running style has changed. And I dont know if you know football if you are putting Justin Fargas on a list of great USC football players in between Seau and Polamalu. Fargas might be having a 1000 yard campaign this year but he certainly hasnt had a good career. So Roy you are pwnt like your cowboys earlier this season and to the Eagles last week. How are your Roquettes doing? Not quite as good as my Pats and Celts. Take a walk.

Fred Taylor hasn't been steamrolling backs or watching film specifically to " see what cornerbacks I can run over" since his rookie year. So fuck off Roy. Fred Taylor did in fact say about 2 weeks ago as he is getting older his running style has changed. And I dont know if you know football if you are putting Justin Fargas on a list of great USC football players in between Seau and Polamalu. Fargas might be having a 1000 yard campaign this year but he certainly hasnt had a good career. So Roy you are pwnt like your cowboys earlier this season and to the Eagles last week. How are your Roquettes doing? Not quite as good as my Pats and Celts. Take a walk.

wow! i'm owned because i put a 1,000 yard back on the list. oh so since he didn't come out his rookie year saying he's looking for cb's to run over means he hasn't been a tough runner? learn the sport before you talk about shit you don't know.

He hasn't been as physical a back in previous years than he has this year. Its my opinion. I see Fred take on players staying in bounds more than years previous where he might be more apt to step out of bounds rather than take on a defender to inflict punishment. You are more worried about my knowledge of football. Its okay though coming from a moron that thought spygate tarnished the Pats Superbowl titles. Fred has always been a good back, always been one of my favorites in the AFC. Bottom line is Fred is doing things I have not seen him do as consistently as he continues to push the pile and run over defenders seemingly at will. A pro-bowl snub as well.

wow! i'm owned because i put a 1,000 yard back on the list. oh so since he didn't come out his rookie year saying he's looking for cb's to run over means he hasn't been a tough runner? learn the sport before you talk about shit you don't know.

He is actually correct. Fred did say he has changed his running style, and if you ask analysts around the league, they will actually compare Fred to Barry Sanders in years past. I find the comparison ridiculous, but what they mean is he dances a bit before he hits the hole. This year, without question, he has hit the hole at full speed more often than not.

Also, 1000 yards is not the great number that it used to be. All you need is to average about 60 yards a game for a season and you get 1000 yards. Fargas is a decent baller, but nothing to write home about, nor in the company, skill-wise, of the players that you listed him with.

He is actually correct. Fred did say he has changed his running style, and if you ask analysts around the league, they will actually compare Fred to Barry Sanders in years past. I find the comparison ridiculous, but what they mean is he dances a bit before he hits the hole. This year, without question, he has hit the hole at full speed more often than not.

Also, 1000 yards is not the great number that it used to be. All you need is to average about 60 yards a game for a season and you get 1000 yards. Fargas is a decent baller, but nothing to write home about, nor in the company, skill-wise, of the players that you listed him with.

fargas is having a good season. that's why i put him on the list.

He plays for the Raiders who are terrible and he has 6 career td's. He certainly does not belong in the same company as the other players that you listed from USC.

fargas is having a good season. that's why i put him on the list.

Okay, as long as you admit that Taylor isn't running the old"Fragile Fred", or when he played at Florida, and he is running like he knows he'll be healthy, personal health aside.

Overall, Bush is better than Fargas, and I'm not going to toot my own horn, but I said LenDale would be better than Bush in the pros. EDIT: I guess I just did

I think it's a bunch of arguing over nothing, just like most of this thread. LOL

He plays for the Raiders who are terrible and he has 6 career td's. He certainly does not belong in the same company as the other players that you listed from USC.

is he having a good season?

is he having a good season?

He WAS, but he is out for year.

Noone can say he wasn't any good this year, because he averaged 4.5 a carry and carried the ball a lot without many fumbles. That said, he is more of a change of pace back, and if he is the sole running back, I feel like you are missing something. The guy can straight out fly, as he ran something like a 4.38 at the combine (or USC pro day?) a few years ago. Still, he doesn't finish well at the goaline because he isn't very big, and he relies on his speed more than any other natural asset.

All in all, I wouldn't want him as my teams' starting running back (actually maybe, if comparing him with Maroney), but he is certainly better than Dominic Rhodes or an out of shape Lamont Jordan.

EDIT: Also, Fargas had 0 TD's in the first 12 weeks of the season, hardly a consistent force. I would say he is kind of a hit or miss player. Either a great week, or seemingly non-existent.

He WAS, but he is out for year.

ok then. some of those guys i listed aren't on winning teams but are playing good. some of them aren't playing that well but are on winning teams.

Over or Under... Pats by 25 this week (home vs. Dolphins)?

Side note: 8 Patriots have been named to the Pro Bowl.

Brady, Moss, Matt Light, Mankins, Koppen, Vince Wilfork, Mike Vrabel, Asante Samuel

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I also think that Wes Welker, Ty Warren and Adalius Thomas should have probably made it as well.

Fargas was having a decent season. 1009 yards isn't great but its definitely solid. But BBR how come you questioned my knowledge of football about Fred Taylor I come back with some support for my statement on how he personally picks players out and you change the subject solely to Fargas. Do I not know football anymore or is that you moron?

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Fargas was having a decent season. 1009 yards isn't great but its definitely solid. But BBR how come you questioned my knowledge of football about Fred Taylor I come back with some support for my statement on how he personally picks players out and you change the subject solely to Fargas. Do I not know football anymore or is that you moron?

cause you sait it was just your opinion. which i don't agree with. that good enough for ya tough guy?

Fargas was having a decent season. 1009 yards isn't great but its definitely solid. But BBR how come you questioned my knowledge of football about Fred Taylor I come back with some support for my statement on how he personally picks players out and you change the subject solely to Fargas. Do I not know football anymore or is that you moron?

I've gotta stick up for Fargas here.

1009 yard is VERY good when you consider he only started and had the full workload in 7 games. Not to mention one of the biggest clusterfucks of a passing game in the league. Fargas deserves more credit than just superficially looking at his numbers and calling them decent.

I mean, if we're comparing him to LenDale White, who has been given lots of respect just a couple posts back, he's got more yards in a lot less carrys than the big man.

By no means am I even jumping into the silly debate of whether he belongs listed alongside of so and so. All I'm saying is you don't need to overly demean a guy just to prove your point, when facts don't back it up. Fargas has been very good this year when he was in the game as the starter.

I've gotta stick up for Fargas here.

1009 yard is VERY good when you consider he only started and had the full workload in 7 games. Not to mention one of the biggest clusterfucks of a passing game in the league. Fargas deserves more credit than just superficially looking at his numbers and calling them decent.

I mean, if we're comparing him to LenDale White, who has been given lots of respect just a couple posts back, he's got more yards in a lot less carrys than the big man.

By no means am I even jumping into the silly debate of whether he belongs listed alongside of so and so. All I'm saying is you don't need to overly demean a guy just to prove your point, when facts don't back it up. Fargas has been very good this year when he was in the game as the starter.

Like I said, he had a productive season, but he is hit or miss... In his really BIG 3 games, they have won, when he isn't so productive, they lose (often). Also, the Raiders aren't good, we all know that... but they do have a talented offensive line. LT Sims and C Newberry are veteran studs, LG Gallery and RT McQuistan have awesome natural abilities, and I'm not so sure about RG Cooper Carlisle (haven't seen him enough).

I'm not sure anyone really disrespected him, even Wandy4LIFE, besides when we said Justin was the odd man out of that list of elite players, and the fact that he pointed out that besides this season, Fargas has NOT had a good career.

I'm not sure Ryan Grant is a great back. Samkon Gado had a few great games, and he is nowhere to be seen. Tim Biakabatuka once started a season (approx. first 5 games) with a YPC average over 7.5 and he was gaining 150 yards a game. Pretty soon thereafter, he was working in a grocery store.

Also, LenDale is quite a bit younger, and does have some mental issues. I am sure that the Raiders would trade Justin Fargas for LenDale White.

Like I said, he had a productive season, but he is hit or miss... In his really BIG 3 games, they have won, when he isn't so productive, they lose (often). Also, the Raiders aren't good, we all know that... but they do have a talented offensive line. LT Sims and C Newberry are veteran studs, LG Gallery and RT McQuistan have awesome natural abilities, and I'm not so sure about RG Cooper Carlisle (haven't seen him enough).

I'm not sure anyone really disrespected him, even Wandy4LIFE, besides when we said Justin was the odd man out of that list of elite players, and the fact that he pointed out that besides this season, Fargas has NOT had a good career.

I'm not sure Ryan Grant is a great back. Samkon Gado had a few great games, and he is nowhere to be seen. Tim Biakabatuka once started a season (approx. first 5 games) with a YPC average over 7.5 and he was gaining 150 yards a game. Pretty soon thereafter, he was working in a grocery store.

Also, LenDale is quite a bit younger, and does have some mental issues. I am sure that the Raiders would trade Justin Fargas for LenDale White.

you can't judge him on that. maroney has'nt done much of anything for you guys yet you're gonna go 16-0

I dont know where you came up with the statement that I was just looking at his numbers. Granted I dont watch a lot of Raiders games but when I do watch them there is no individual talent that truly stands out offensively and that list includes Fargas who had a "solid" season. To me a guy with 1009 yards and 4 touchdowns on a losing team had a solid season. And Roy its not just opinion that Freds running style has changed it has been reported on the last few weeks mostly hyped before the Steelers game that Taylor has taken it upon himself to become a more physically punishing back especially once he gets into the secondary. My opinion was that although always being a very good running back Freds downhill running is drastically improved as I use to see him try to run around guys more than bulling through.

you can't judge him on that. maroney has'nt done much of anything for you guys yet you're gonna go 16-0

Maroney has had 0 overly productive games (like those I am talking about of Fargas). Seriously, if he performs, they have done extraordinarily well. It is the teams fault that they aren't better, they can't ask him to carry the team.

Like I said, he had a productive season, but he is hit or miss... In his really BIG 3 games, they have won, when he isn't so productive, they lose (often). Also, the Raiders aren't good, we all know that... but they do have a talented offensive line. LT Sims and C Newberry are veteran studs, LG Gallery and RT McQuistan have awesome natural abilities, and I'm not so sure about RG Cooper Carlisle (haven't seen him enough).

I'm not sure anyone really disrespected him, even Wandy4LIFE, besides when we said Justin was the odd man out of that list of elite players, and the fact that he pointed out that besides this season, Fargas has NOT had a good career.

I'm not sure Ryan Grant is a great back. Samkon Gado had a few great games, and he is nowhere to be seen. Tim Biakabatuka once started a season (approx. first 5 games) with a YPC average over 7.5 and he was gaining 150 yards a game. Pretty soon thereafter, he was working in a grocery store.

Also, LenDale is quite a bit younger, and does have some mental issues. I am sure that the Raiders would trade Justin Fargas for LenDale White.

To be fair, it is easy to again superficially just look at numbers and call a guy hit or miss. Much of it has to do with his passing game when he's miss. Look at some of the games he started, that he had less than 100 yards. You'll see a plethora of games that they were playing from behind, with QB's throwing at or under 50% on the game.

Let's forget other years here, I told you already I'm not getting involved in that silly arguement of them belonging on the list or not. I'm only talking about downplaying the year he's had. I couldn't care less if he decides to retire today and open up a 24 hour sushi shop, fact is, he had a very good season.

As for whether they'd trade Fargas for White straight up, it's irrelevant to my point, because my point is isolated to this season. I could have just as easily used Steven Jackson or a host of others to make my point, but went with White because he was already mentioned in this thread in such a possitive light.

I dont know where you came up with the statement that I was just looking at his numbers. Granted I dont watch a lot of Raiders games but when I do watch them there is no individual talent that truly stands out offensively and that list includes Fargas who had a "solid" season. To me a guy with 1009 yards and 4 touchdowns on a losing team had a solid season.

That's why.... If I just saw that I guy went for 1009 and 4, I'd think he had a relatively mediocre season. If I knew he only started 7 games, did it in only 222 carries, and he was on a team that ranked 31 in the league against the pass, I'd be impressed. By just saying 1009 and 4 TDs, it heavily marginalizes what he actually accomplished.



Again just hear what I'm saying. This season, and only this season... with everything considered.... Games started, the passing game, playing from behind, total carries, yards per carry.... Justin Fargas had a very good season. To say anything less would be completely marginalizing what he's accomplished this year. That or maybe a slight refusal to budge, even slightly on a previously stated point.

We agree on most things when it comes to the local teams, I just hope when faced with overwhelming evidence, maybe you'll budge a little on this one. Maybe.

P.S. Remember.... this year.... oooooonly this year. I'm involving myself in noooooothing else about Justin Fargas but this year. Yay this year.... Boo everything else.

To be fair, it is easy to again superficially just look at numbers and call a guy hit or miss. Much of it has to do with his passing game when he's miss. Look at some of the games he started, that he had less than 100 yards. You'll see a plethora of games that they were playing from behind, with QB's throwing at or under 50% on the game.

Let's forget other years here, I told you already I'm not getting involved in that silly arguement of them belonging on the list or not. I'm only talking about downplaying the year he's had. I couldn't care less if he decides to retire today and open up a 24 hour sushi shop, fact is, he had a very good season.

As for whether they'd trade Fargas for White straight up, it's irrelevant to my point, because my point is isolated to this season. I could have just as easily used Steven Jackson or a host of others to make my point, but went with White because he was already mentioned in this thread in such a possitive light.

That's why.... If I just saw that I guy went for 1009 and 4, I'd think he had a relatively mediocre season. If I knew he only started 7 games, did it in only 222 carries, and he was on a team that ranked 31 in the league against the pass, I'd be impressed. By just saying 1009 and 4 TDs, it heavily marginalizes what he actually accomplished.

Again just hear what I'm saying. This season, and only this season... with everything considered.... Games started, the passing game, playing from behind, total carries, yards per carry.... Justin Fargas had a very good season. To say anything less would be completely marginalizing what he's accomplished this year. That or maybe a slight refusal to budge, even slightly on a previously stated point.

We agree on most things when it comes to the local teams, I just hope when faced with overwhelming evidence, maybe you'll budge a little on this one. Maybe.

P.S. Remember.... this year.... oooooonly this year. I'm involving myself in noooooothing else about Justin Fargas but this year. Yay this year.... Boo everything else.

First off, if you've ever watched him PLAY FOOTBALL, and not just looked at numbers, you can see he is a hit or miss type player. He is a big play threat who can use his speed and occasional one cut to get into the open field. As far as taking what the defense is giving you, I'd take many backs over him. You mention that statistics are not the basis of your argument, and then mention a bunch of statistics of teammates and such.

I don't see much "overwhelming evidence"... In fact, I don't think you've even mentioned any abilities which make him so special all of a sudden, or helped him become this great back that he is this year. To me, he has had a good season (and solid finish to last season), and he has rushed REALLY well against relatively poor rushing defenses (Denver who is 29th in NFL rush defense, Miami is last, Texans are 20 and KC is 26th). That isn't to take away what he has accomplished in those games, it certainly isn't easy, he is certainly an NFL caliber back, but to me, if you put any starting back into a decent system, he should produce over 1000 yards. In my opinion the stats basically make this conversation, he isn't really a truly great player (like those other guys listed). He is an intriguing guy, because he is explosive and has always been fighting for his job.

Good season? Like I said, yes... but do I think he is in the top 20 RBs in the league? No, and because I've watched him play a number of times, no one (except Fargas, and maybe his coaches or teammates) could convince me otherwise.

It seems the statistics largely match what the eyes would lead me to believe as well. Of course, he could easily have more TDs than he does, but he doesn't because Raiders can't get in the red zone.

First off, if you've ever watched him PLAY FOOTBALL, and not just looked at numbers, you can see he is a hit or miss type player. He is a big play threat who can use his speed and occasional one cut to get into the open field. As far as taking what the defense is giving you, I'd take many backs over him. You mention that statistics are not the basis of your argument, and then mention a bunch of statistics of teammates and such.

I don't see much "overwhelming evidence"... In fact, I don't think you've even mentioned any abilities which make him so special all of a sudden, or helped him become this great back that he is this year. To me, he has had a good season (and solid finish to last season), and he has rushed REALLY well against relatively poor rushing defenses (Denver who is 29th in NFL rush defense, Miami is last, Texans are 20 and KC is 26th). That isn't to take away what he has accomplished in those games, it certainly isn't easy, he is certainly an NFL caliber back, but to me, if you put any starting back into a decent system, he should produce over 1000 yards. In my opinion the stats basically make this conversation, he isn't really a truly great player (like those other guys listed). He is an intriguing guy, because he is explosive and has always been fighting for his job.

Good season? Like I said, yes... but do I think he is in the top 20 RBs in the league? No, and because I've watched him play a number of times, no one (except Fargas, and maybe his coaches or teammates) could convince me otherwise.

It seems the statistics largely match what the eyes would lead me to believe as well. Of course, he could easily have more TDs than he does, but he doesn't because Raiders can't get in the red zone.

Naturally it would make sense in a discussion about 1 season in a guy's career to talk about who you'd rather have than him. I'll leave that one alone because it isn't really the direction of the discussion.

I did not say that stats wasn't a basis of my discussion. (and yess I have seen him play, but I can't imagine how I can successfully tie that into the discussion to further my point lol.) The whole basis of my arguement is putting stats into perspective. Not looking at them superficially. It's like if I was talking about DJ Hackett and told you he went for 343 yards and 3 TDs. Well that sounds like a shitty year to me until I put into perspective that he only played 4 full games, and in the 5th game (the only other one he played in) he left early after only making 1 catch. When put into perspective, the numbers look a lot nicer. His year he put up is a lot more respectable. Conversely the same occurs for Fargas when you put his numbers, and the factors that played against him in perspective.

Again, all I'm saying is that it is unfair to point at the fact that he has 1009 yards and 4 TDs only, and say he hasn't really had a good season. Which you DIDN'T say, another poster did. You just felt like you'd defend him since you've said he's your brother. You've basically said you agree that he had a good season, so I don't even understand why we're arguing. I'm not annoiting him the Jesus of RBs. I'm not annointing him a top 10 back. (Tho I do wonder if I agree whether he's not in the top 20, I'd have to look at that further.) I was just making a simple decree that opposed to the superficial stats that were given to say he just had a decent season, that I thought his season was much better than that. But then again, we agree that he said a good season, so Hoorah.

so how bout them pats..... lol

so how bout them pats..... lol

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mmasternigga come box me on fight night.

Naturally it would make sense in a discussion about 1 season in a guy's career to talk about who you'd rather have than him. I'll leave that one alone because it isn't really the direction of the discussion.

I did not say that stats wasn't a basis of my discussion. (and yess I have seen him play, but I can't imagine how I can successfully tie that into the discussion to further my point lol.) The whole basis of my arguement is putting stats into perspective. Not looking at them superficially. It's like if I was talking about DJ Hackett and told you he went for 343 yards and 3 TDs. Well that sounds like a shitty year to me until I put into perspective that he only played 4 full games, and in the 5th game (the only other one he played in) he left early after only making 1 catch. When put into perspective, the numbers look a lot nicer. His year he put up is a lot more respectable. Conversely the same occurs for Fargas when you put his numbers, and the factors that played against him in perspective.

Again, all I'm saying is that it is unfair to point at the fact that he has 1009 yards and 4 TDs only, and say he hasn't really had a good season. Which you DIDN'T say, another poster did. You just felt like you'd defend him since you've said he's your brother. You've basically said you agree that he had a good season, so I don't even understand why we're arguing. I'm not annoiting him the Jesus of RBs. I'm not annointing him a top 10 back. (Tho I do wonder if I agree whether he's not in the top 20, I'd have to look at that further.) I was just making a simple decree that opposed to the superficial stats that were given to say he just had a decent season, that I thought his season was much better than that. But then again, we agree that he said a good season, so Hoorah.

If you can't stay healthy, you can't help your team. DJ Hackett didn't have a good season at all. When he played, yeah he was productive, but terrible season.

I agree I don't know why we're arguing, I'd say "decent" is a pretty general term that could be properly used to describe Fargas as a starter.

I do understand that stats are not the end all be all, obviously you need to look at the context in which they were gained, and I felt like I did that, and pointed out that while he has played well in some games, he has been pretty inconsistent.

Damn, Steelers RB Willie Parker broke his leg and Najeh Davenport is one of my favorite RB's in the league. He can play fullback, halfback, or H-back. The guy is 245 pounds and fast as hell. He might not run like an absolute tank all the time, but he is a pretty special mix of both speed and power. He also has very good hands.

Some questions are his durability, and the fact that he runs "high", keeping his shoulders up and leaving himself vulnerable to big hits.

I have been a huge fan of Davenport since his days at UM, and was surprised when the Packers let him go. I haven't seen him all that much since he joined the Steelers, but to me the Steelers aren't losing much.

Oh yeah, and seeing Torry Holt flip out on his team like that was amazing.

Send Stallworth to the Rams for Holt over the off-season hahahaha. Hey I did it in Madden (a few picks thrown in there of course)

No Hipnotik this week? Aww, I guess the score never got close enough to comfortably troll.

Send Stallworth to the Rams for Holt over the off-season hahahaha. Hey I did it in Madden (a few picks thrown in there of course)

You can pretty much guarentee Stallworth will be released in the offseason. His salary for next year is like 9m. Highly unlikely.

You can pretty much guarentee Stallworth will be released in the offseason. His salary for next year is like 9m. Highly unlikely.

think they will give moss a new contract?

Yeah I'm expecting Stallworth to be gone unless he restructures his deal or tests free agency only to come back and sign for much less. Moss will be here next season he is a definite keeper. It will be interesting to see if he is willing to take less again next year with big bonuses for on field production. Chad Jackson and Gaffney are solid receivers who could fill Stallworths shoes next season if he is let go. Sadly the 49ers won so the Patriots pick will be lower but at least the quest for perfection will be true throughout the regular season next week. Merry Christmas Eve everybody. Go Pats!

Chad Jackson=physical marvel.
You will all see. I loved the kid at Florida, and he played multiple roles in their offense. They played him in the slot and he averaged about 10 yards a catch and had 88 catches. He played on the outside and averaged 19 a catch and scored TDs with ease. Great prospect, and the perfect guy to fill in for Donte.

Also, watch out for my boy Kelley Washington. This guy is playing special teams on a pro-bowl level. You will notice he is the first guy covering most kickoffs and punts and he is also a solid receiver if Stallworth leaves. At Tennessee he was dubbed "The Future" because of his T.O.-like combination of size and speed.

Chad Jackson=physical marvel.
You will all see. I loved the kid at Florida, and he played multiple roles in their offense. They played him in the slot and he averaged about 10 yards a catch and had 88 catches. He played on the outside and averaged 19 a catch and scored TDs with ease. Great prospect, and the perfect guy to fill in for Donte.

Also, watch out for my boy Kelley Washington. This guy is playing special teams on a pro-bowl level. You will notice he is the first guy covering most kickoffs and punts and he is also a solid receiver if Stallworth leaves. At Tennessee he was dubbed "The Future" because of his T.O.-like combination of size and speed.

i know he's pretty fast but how big is he?

i know he's pretty fast but how big is he?

In college he was listed at 6'4 225. Now that he is in the pros, they list him more accurately at 6'3 about 218. If I recall correctly, he ran a 4.42 40 and had a 39" vertical at his pro-day a few years ago. That said, he has been very injury prone and lacks big game experience.

Also, a cool fact for all us Beantowners, he was roommates with Josh Beckett in the Florida Marlins farm system.

Today is the day, folks. The Patriots are the first team ever to start a regular season 15-0 and they can finish the season as the only undefeated team ever in a 16 game season.

The Patriots meet up with the playoff-bound Giants tonight in what is certainly a historical matchup. Tom Brady needs only two TD's to break Peyton Manning's single season passing touchdown record. Randy Moss needs 2 TD receptions in order to break Jerry Rice's single season receiving TD record. The Patriots need only 6 points to break the 1998 Vikings single season scoring record of 556 as well.

But while tonight is a chance to accomplish some great and unprecedented feats, everyone knows that a win and any amount of records tonight and a loss in the playoffs makes this season a miserable failure. Nothing but a 4th Superbowl ring is enough, and surely nothing is guaranteed by having an undefeated regular season. The Jaguars and Chargers are seemingly hitting their strides and playing their best football of the year. The Patriots barely inched out a regular season win over the Colts, who are STILL the defending champions. The road to the Superbowl will have to go through New England, however, and if any team understands that everybody in for the playoffs starts off with a clean slate, a record of 0-0, it is these experienced, and focused guys from New England.

oh look at that. thug wilfork is poking guys in the eyes now.

motherfukers got lucky again

motherfukers got lucky again

If ignorance was bliss, you'd be just about the happiest guy I know.

C'mon now... even if you hate the Patriots, as another group of football fans, you've gotta be as happy as I am that those smug old men won't be popping champagne every year anymore. God I hate those old douches.

Who gives a fuck(16-0). Win the bowl than I WILL GIVE A FUCK.

they got them a pretty little dress now... take them to the dance dolphins

god damn Giants couldn't even hold a 10 point lead.

Sweet, can't wait until playoffs.

Sweet, can't wait until playoffs.

so you can watch your beloved Pats lose ?????

so you can watch your beloved Pats lose ?????

I want to see who you're predicting they will lose to. And pahllllllllease don't say Pitt.

I want to see who you're predicting they will lose to. And pahllllllllease don't say Pitt.

pitt is getting knocked out by the jags this weekend.

pitt is getting knocked out by the jags this weekend.

Oh, I know this. That's why I'm curious who Axe is predicting will be the team to do it.

I want to see who you're predicting they will lose to. And pahllllllllease don't say Pitt.

Indy, I didn't say Pittsburgh, they have a hard enough game this Sat.

pitt is getting knocked out by the jags this weekend.

tiss a tough game Indeed, I will not predict this outcome all I can say is.........wait for see.

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I think the Pats are going to lose this weekend. It's just a feeling I have, or maybe I am just hungry.

The Patriots will battle the Jacksonville Jaguars tonight 8ET in their quest for the superbowl at Gillette Stadium. The Patriots will hopefully get a running game going with Stroud and Henderson out and hopefully the run D steps up. Patriots 35 Jaguars 17.

The Patriots will battle the Jacksonville Jaguars tonight 8ET in their quest for the superbowl at Gillette Stadium. The Patriots will hopefully get a running game going with Stroud and Henderson out and hopefully the run D steps up. Patriots 35 Jaguars 17.

Unless you've heard new reports I haven't (i slept in today), Henderson should be playing.

Unless you've heard new reports I haven't (i slept in today), Henderson should be playing.

I just read he had full participation in practice and is probable. He will play.

I am actually the person who gave Wandy4LIFE faulty news.


HERE WE GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!

time to die pats

time to die pats

lol maybe next week but i doubt it

Better luck next year, Jags fans.

I think they played about as well as they could offensively, although they could have maybe run the ball a bit more. That said, they just weren't able to match up with our receivers, and they decided to NEVER blitz, which gave Brady all the time in the world to pick his targets.

both qb's played great, the jags wr who dropped the pass between 2 pats defenders at the goal line after garrard made that throw. that was the game right there, jags played catchup after that

both qb's played great, the jags wr who dropped the pass between 2 pats defenders at the goal line after garrard made that throw. that was the game right there, jags played catchup after that

Dennis Northcutt is extremely quick, but not in the mold of a Jags receiver, and he has terrible hands. He dropped 3 balls last night in key situations, and that absolutely killed the Jags.

On another note: I couldn't believe Eric Weddle got called for that holding to end the half.

And Roys Cowboys are out for the count. Will he turn into a Patriots supporter for the rest of the way?

And Roys Cowboys are out for the count. Will he turn into a Patriots supporter for the rest of the way?

nope but congrats on your playoff victory and soon to be 4th superbowl

i hope tom brady dies and that it hurts alot.

i hope tom brady dies and that it hurts alot.

i'm 2 trashed to comment on this. i will comment on this 2morrow

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Fuck the patriots, and anyone who liked them.


yeah, i said it.

Congratulations Dozi for making myself even happier that I am a Patriots fan. I hope everyone roots for the roided up Merriman and the San Diego Chargers because they are so classy. The Patriots are hated for being good but they handle themselves in a classy manner week in week out and never disrespect or underestimate their opponents. So... Fuck you budday and :stfu:

The quest to the Superbowl continues.

Congratulations Dozi for making myself even happier that I am a Patriots fan. I hope everyone roots for the roided up Merriman and the San Diego Chargers because they are so classy. The Patriots are hated for being good but they handle themselves in a classy manner week in week out and never disrespect or underestimate their opponents. So... Fuck you budday and :stfu:

The quest to the Superbowl continues.

I love the Patriots, but as a Pats fan, we can't be waving the steriod flag at Merriman. Not with Harrison's HGH use and all. I love my Pats, but my fandom cannot overlook logic.

I love the Patriots, but as a Pats fan, we can't be waving the steriod flag at Merriman. Not with Harrison's HGH use and all. I love my Pats, but my fandom cannot overlook logic.

lol on the steroid flag comment.

Congratulations Dozi for making myself even happier that I am a Patriots fan. I hope everyone roots for the roided up Merriman and the San Diego Chargers because they are so classy. The Patriots are hated for being good but they handle themselves in a classy manner week in week out and never disrespect or underestimate their opponents. So... Fuck you budday and :stfu:

The quest to the Superbowl continues.

like last year when they taunted the chargers by dancing on there logo at midfield like some immature,classless,disrespectful college team?

like last year when they taunted the chargers by dancing on there logo at midfield like some immature,classless,disrespectful college team?

Even San Diego journalists think that the Chargers bring that on themselves. Especially Merriman. The guy said he wasn't going to do any dancing this year, but by week 8 he was back doing his stupid shit.

It's not like the Pats dance every week, just against a team that dances every play.

Random fact: Jerome Bettis used to dance after one yard gains.

Even San Diego journalists think that the Chargers bring that on themselves. Especially Merriman. The guy said he wasn't going to do any dancing this year, but by week 8 he was back doing his stupid shit.

It's not like the Pats dance every week, just against a team that dances every play.

Random fact: Jerome Bettis used to dance after one yard gains.

so what if they "brought it on themselves"? does that make it ok?

so what if they "brought it on themselves"? does that make it ok?

IMO Yes. It's not a big deal even if they didn't bring it on themselves, but by being a cocky bunch of fucks, yes, it is fine with me.

IMO Yes. It's not a big deal even if they didn't bring it on themselves, but by being a cocky bunch of fucks, yes, it is fine with me.

lol once again just dismiss the obvious. hey that could be the pats catch phrase "dismiss the obvious" just like getting caught cheating.

lol once again just dismiss the obvious. hey that could be the pats catch phrase "dismiss the obvious" just like getting caught cheating.

"Once again" you make no sense.
What exactly are you talking about?

Keep in mind I defended Phil Rivers, I'm not a thin skinned fag, and the players aren't either.

Let's be honest, dancing on a team's field after you won a close game AFTER the Chargers talked shit and the media thought you were hopeless. This wouldn't even be getting any attention if LT didn't complain and call the Patriots "classless".

Hilarious to hear SD complain, as I posted way back, because Merriman led a "Brady sucks" chant at the rally previous to the game, and every team is sick of the Chargers mouthy gig.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but neither of these wrongs even matter, it's all just part of the game, and the Patriots are some of the most disciplined and respectful teams (for years) in the league, and mocking an assholes dance after winning was only done because of Merriman's arrogance in the first place. Everyone I know hates that fucking dance, no matter where they are from.

"Once again" you make no sense.
What exactly are you talking about?
Keep in mind I defended Phil Rivers, I'm not a thin skinned fag, and the players aren't either.

Let's be honest, dancing on a team's field after you won a close game AFTER the Chargers talked shit and the media thought you were hopeless. This wouldn't even be getting any attention if LT didn't complain and call the Patriots "classless".

Hilarious to hear SD complain, as I posted way back, because Merriman led a "Brady sucks" chant at the rally previous to the game, and every team is sick of the Chargers mouthy gig.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but neither of these wrongs even matter, it's all just part of the game, and the Patriots are some of the most disciplined and respectful teams (for years) in the league, and mocking an assholes dance after winning was only done because of Merriman's arrogance in the first place. Everyone I know hates that fucking dance, no matter where they are from.

the way the pats,the nfl, and the pats org just like to dimiss the obvious. you guys are now 17-0* nevermind the fact you got caught cheating. bill belicheat wins coach of the year (16-0* great accomplishment) but he got caught cheating. way to set a good example for little kids. now the chargers taunt you guys and you guys do it back. but since they asked for it and since your a pats fan it's ok. fact is the pats are just as classless as the chargers. Tom brady is one of the few members of the pats that are respectable

the way the pats,the nfl, and the pats org just like to dimiss the obvious. you guys are now 17-0* nevermind the fact you got caught cheating. bill belicheat wins coach of the year (16-0* great accomplishment) but he got caught cheating. way to set a good example for little kids. now the chargers taunt you guys and you guys do it back. but since they asked for it and since your a pats fan it's ok. fact is the pats are just as classless as the chargers. Tom brady is one of the few members of the pats that are respectable

I don't even know what you mean in bold, and you make a pretty large assumption if it means what I think it may (that I only dismiss the Patriots "classlessness" from last year because I am a fan. It is simply not true.

Also, your whole rant would make sense if the Pats were responsible for levying their own fines and penalties. They appealed the ruling, but when it was finalized, we admitted our mistake and moved on; we will have to deal with the loss of a future draft pick as well. You can continue to harp on the "Spygate" thing, but, just like I said (and you disagreed) people (including the media) have moved other, more recent, stories that have come up. The only reason the "Spygate" thing was even SO BIG, was because the media.

"Way to set an example for little kids" - LOL, we aren't here to hold hands, we are here to win. But, if you want to get into that, we don't have criminals on our team, we don't talk smack (unless provoked). You can hold a grudge all you want about a camera on our sidelines, or mistakenly feel like the Patriots crossed some unprecedented boundary, but the fact is, what they got caught for was a borderline rule that hadn't been enforced for years, and it obviously had no bearing on the results of the season. This team displays many traits that a team should exemplify, and their selfless efforts show on the field, and in their demeanor.

So take your little asterisk, and put it up there with their incredible record if it makes you happy, anyone who knows football, knows who the best is, and they don't need to hide from it.

Just know noone "ignores" anything, the Patriots are under more scrutiny that you could ever imagine, from haters just like yourself.

I still can't believe the lack of critical thinking in the world.

EDIT: and go ahead and name all these "classless" Patriots. I dare you.

I don't even know what you mean in bold, and you make a pretty large assumption if it means what I think it may (that I only dismiss the Patriots "classlessness" from last year because I am a fan. It is simply not true.

Also, your whole rant would make sense if the Pats were responsible for levying their own fines and penalties. They appealed the ruling, but when it was finalized, we admitted our mistake and moved on; we will have to deal with the loss of a future draft pick as well. You can continue to harp on the "Spygate" thing, but, just like I said (and you disagreed) people (including the media) have moved other, more recent, stories that have come up. The only reason the "Spygate" thing was even SO BIG, was because the media.

"Way to set an example for little kids" - LOL, we aren't here to hold hands, we are here to win. But, if you want to get into that, we don't have criminals on our team, we don't talk smack (unless provoked). You can hold a grudge all you want about a camera on our sidelines, or mistakenly feel like the Patriots crossed some unprecedented boundary, but the fact is, what they got caught for was a borderline rule that hadn't been enforced for years, and it obviously had no bearing on the results of the season. This team displays many traits that a team should exemplify, and their selfless efforts show on the field, and in their demeanor.

So take your little asterisk, and put it up there with their incredible record if it makes you happy, anyone who knows football, knows who the best is, and they don't need to hide from it.

Just know noone "ignores" anything, the Patriots are under more scrutiny that you could ever imagine, from haters just like yourself.

I still can't believe the lack of critical thinking in the world.

haters? lol if it was any other team you would put an * next to it also. but because you're a pats fan you ignore it. you're team is under more scrutiny than i can ever imagine hahaha. your team has no history except the past 6 years. if the cowboys,steelers,49ers,broncos,bears or any other big market team with a history got caught cheating it would be 10 times worse than the scrunity you speak of. so your edit so without even thinking thug wilfork and roidney harrison are pretty classless

haters? lol if it was any other team you would put an * next to it also. but because you're a pats fan you ignore it. you're team is under more scrutiny than i can ever imagine hahaha. your team has no history except the past 6 years. if the cowboys,steelers,49ers,broncos,bears or any other big market team with a history got caught cheating it would be 10 times worse than the scrunity you speak of. so your edit so without even thinking thug wilfork and roidney harrison are pretty classless

You ALWAYS make assumptions about WHY or WHAT I would do IF it was another team, when you don't know DICK about my motives, other than what I write (which you barely comprehend). I would never place an asterisk on anyone's accomplishments unless the "cheating" directly gave that specific team/person an advantage while accomplishing those feats. The Patriots camera use was nipped in the bud by the end of the first quarter in the Jets game. Thanks for playing, just please stop with all the assumptions.

Bears historically fucking suck. Get a clue, again. But your whole logic is stupid too. Those teams you mentioned do have great histories and while they were building them they were under immense scrutiny, now that the Patriots are the class of the NFL, everyone is focused on them. I have NEVER EVER seen a single team have their own ESPN "bottom line" like the Pats have had just about all year. Whether people are rooting for them or against them, the Pats rating are through the roof. They are under tons of scrutiny.

Wilfork is classless? Get a fucking clue! Noone who knows him at all would say so, but because you saw a finger poke you think so.
Rodney is a great teammate, but I can see how people would hate him.

That said, you are ignorant for classifying 53+ guys as "classless" because you have heard or seen a few bad things about two Patriots players.

I bet all your beloved old Dallas Cowboys players all think strength coach Mike Wojcik is a complete tool because he is associated with the Patriots these days :rolleseyes:. That scandal (which 99% of these guys had nothing to do with) completely wastes away years of great work and helping the Cowboys dynasties become great.

You don't know shit about the Patriots players or their management, so quit while your behind.

the way the pats,the nfl, and the pats org just like to dimiss the obvious. you guys are now 17-0* nevermind the fact you got caught cheating. bill belicheat wins coach of the year (16-0* great accomplishment) but he got caught cheating. way to set a good example for little kids. now the chargers taunt you guys and you guys do it back. but since they asked for it and since your a pats fan it's ok. fact is the pats are just as classless as the chargers. Tom brady is one of the few members of the pats that are respectable

Roy, honestly. Quit fucking trolling everytime about the same shit. Any intelligent human being can tell you that taping signals for half a game, and then getting it confiscated at halftime, before anyone got to see it, didn't effect shit. Is it against the rules? Yes. Were they wrong for trying to do it? Yes. Did it effect ANY games, even in the slightest? No. So shut the fuck up and move on.

Use logic and intelligence in your arguements dude. Its the same shit when Zere is posting like a retard about Tony Romo being a useless choke artist. I don't give two shits about Tony Romo, but I can use logic and intelligents to tell him it is a tired fucking arguement that makes zero sense.

Honestly though, I don't even think you believe your arguement. You just like to stir the pot.

Roy, honestly. Quit fucking trolling everytime about the same shit. Any intelligent human being can tell you that taping signals for half a game, and then getting it confiscated at halftime, before anyone got to see it, didn't effect shit. Is it against the rules? Yes. Were they wrong for trying to do it? Yes. Did it effect ANY games, even in the slightest? No. So shut the fuck up and move on.

Use logic and intelligence in your arguements dude. Its the same shit when Zere is posting like a retard about Tony Romo being a useless choke artist. I don't give two shits about Tony Romo, but I can use logic and intelligents to tell him it is a tired fucking arguement that makes zero sense.

Honestly though, I don't even think you believe your arguement. You just like to stir the pot.

+1. He can't possibly be as stupid as he sometimes appears to be in this thread.

Roy, honestly. Quit fucking trolling everytime about the same shit. Any intelligent human being can tell you that taping signals for half a game, and then getting it confiscated at halftime, before anyone got to see it, didn't effect shit. Is it against the rules? Yes. Were they wrong for trying to do it? Yes. Did it effect ANY games, even in the slightest? No. So shut the fuck up and move on.

Use logic and intelligence in your arguements dude. Its the same shit when Zere is posting like a retard about Tony Romo being a useless choke artist. I don't give two shits about Tony Romo, but I can use logic and intelligents to tell him it is a tired fucking arguement that makes zero sense.

Honestly though, I don't even think you believe your arguement. You just like to stir the pot.
well if you look back in this thread i mention how i like to mess with you pats fans. i see it doesn't work on you anymore but killa is always up for the challenge lol

well if you look back in this thread i mention how i like to mess with you pats fans. i see it doesn't work on you anymore but killa is always up for the challenge lol

I'll never mind talking about my dear Patriots. They are so perfect it is fantastic and I get to win arguments against you over and over while discussing them.

I'll never mind talking about my dear Patriots. They are so perfect it is fantastic and I get to win arguments against you over and over while discussing them.

fuck you! i'll win one soon:sifone:

fuck you! i'll win one soon:sifone:

lol

keep tryin

:popcorn:

The Patriots will welcome the San Diego Chargers to Gillette Stadium to play the AFC Championship in less than 2 hours. Hopefully the Patriots can continue their undefeated streak and take it to the Superbowl in 2 weeks. This game is going to be tough though no doubt about it. The Patriots are going to need a big day from Wes Welker and hopefully Randy Moss can improve on last weeks quiet game. The defense needs to key on LT and try to prevent the big play to Vincent Jackson. I see the Patriots coming out as your AFC champion by the score of 38-24.