It was reported on ESPN that Kraft is ashamed of his team because of the cheating and the complaints from other teams and coaches about the running up of the scores and cheap shots that have brought to his attention. Wow N.E. is so innocent yet their owner is ashamed and feels their championships are being tarnished.

:jester:

It was reported on ESPN that Kraft is ashamed of his team because of the cheating and the complaints from other teams and coaches about the running up of the scores and cheap shots that have brought to his attention. Wow N.E. is so innocent yet their owner is ashamed and feels their championships are being tarnished.

When, Where? I've never heard that (other than he said he was disappointed after the camera thing) and there is no current source on ESPN to vouch for this. I think you're reaching bro.

If you're more concerned with hating another team than rooting for your own, there are issues there.

As far as this cheating bullshit, put it to rest. The camera thing happened. People aren't happy. So they go out to prove they don't need it by crushing everyone they play. People aren't happy. Fuck people. Play football.

Someone's always gonna bitch.

No seriously, what's up roy? The Pats still taking heat for that video taping incident?

Oh i get it, Roy don't like the Pats. :popcorn:

When, Where? I've never heard that (other than he said he was disappointed after the camera thing) and there is no current source on ESPN to vouch for this. I think you're reaching bro.

If you're more concerned with hating another team than rooting for your own, there are issues there.

As far as this cheating bullshit, put it to rest. The camera thing happened. People aren't happy. So they go out to prove they don't need it by crushing everyone they play. People aren't happy. Fuck people. Play football.

Someone's always gonna bitch.

D.O. talkin' some smack! Go D.O. Go D.O.


I did trip out though, when Brady went back into the game in the 4th quarter against Miami. He ended up scoring 50 fantasy points but i got the last laugh in the end.

No seriously, what's up roy? The Pats still taking heat for that video taping incident?

At this point it's just one of those.... :beatdeadhorse: situations

D.O. talkin' some smack! Go D.O. Go D.O.


I did trip out though, when Brady went back into the game in the 4th quarter against Miami. He ended up scoring 50 fantasy points but i got the last laugh in the end.

As far as the smack talking. I've tried to stay out of Patriots debates... because honestly, as weird as it sounds, them being this good is sort of uncomfortable to watch. I like close games. I like to be nervous watching my team play. Domination is anticlimatic.

As far as Brady returning that game. That was 100% a message being sent internally to Matt Cassel. It was all about telling him, listen, garbage time doesn't mean garbage play. Get your head out your ass or you'll be gone.

It was reported on ESPN that Kraft is ashamed of his team because of the cheating and the complaints from other teams and coaches about the running up of the scores and cheap shots that have brought to his attention. Wow N.E. is so innocent yet their owner is ashamed and feels their championships are being tarnished.

Talk about bullshit.

The so-called "analysts" said that they came to that conclusion by watching Kraft's body language as the Patriots continued their dominance. Because he wasn't hugging his wife when we scored our 52nd point they tried to make it into a story. LOL

Keep searching, I'm sure you'll come up with something soon enough. :gojerkit:


As far as Brady returning that game. That was 100% a message being sent internally to Matt Cassel. It was all about telling him, listen, garbage time doesn't mean garbage play. Get your head out your ass or you'll be gone.

Exactly, if people would look at the situation, they would see that while Brady was in after Cassell through a pick... Guitierrez (our 3rd stringer) warmed up, and came in the next series.

did they really need to score 52 points, I mean c-mon. Brady (as much as I love him as a QB) should have been out the game in the 4th quarter, what if something went wrong and Brady got/gets hurt, the Patriots season would be over, I say don't run up the score for one thing cause it is bullshit to do it anyway and when winning big the STAR QB should be out the game. (GO BLUE BABY!!!)

Talk about bullshit.

The so-called "analysts" said that they came to that conclusion by watching Kraft's body language as the Patriots continued their dominance. Because he wasn't hugging his wife when we scored our 52nd point they tried to make it into a story. LOL

Keep searching, I'm sure you'll come up with something soon enough. :gojerkit:



Exactly, if people would look at the situation, they would see that while Brady was in after Cassell through a pick... Guitierrez (our 3rd stringer) warmed up, and came in the next series.
lol i love getting you pats fans all riled up. hey killa, i'll bet you the pats don't win the superbowl this season

Winning really tarnishes championships roy good call. The pats should win the superbowl and it makes it will make it even sweeter because of all the haters

Winning really tarnishes championships roy good call. The pats should win the superbowl and it makes it will make it even sweeter because of all the haters

your championships are already tarnished buddy. you think bill belicheat just strarted cheating this season than your crazy

Arent tarnished to me or any other Patriots fans. Its enjoyable becoming the monster of the NFL simply due to the cry babies that look for something new to complain about week after week. Joe Gibbs didn't think it was bad sportsmanship. He knows guys are paid to score and guys are paid to defend. The Patriots just happen to be much better at scoring and defending than the teams they have been playing so shitty teams fans complain.

your championships are already tarnished buddy. you think bill belicheat just strarted cheating this season than your crazy

If we cheated for a long time.. than your team and the rest of the idiots around the league didn't do a very good job of catching us.

Tarnished? Like I said when it came out, I haven't heard shit about "Spygate" except a quick mention of it on occasion. Go drink your haterade, and as I said enjoy your romo.

Also, to everyone saying "Brady could get hurt". Well, you should be ecstatic we are taking this so-called "risk". Worry about your own team putting up points, and stopping us... instead of worrying about how many we put up on you.

If we cheated for a long time.. than your team and the rest of the idiots around the league didn't do a very good job of catching us.

Tarnished? Like I said when it came out, I haven't heard shit about "Spygate" except a quick mention of it on occasion. Go drink your haterade, and as I said enjoy your romo.

Also, to everyone saying "Brady could get hurt". Well, you should be ecstatic we are taking this so-called "risk". Worry about your own team putting up points, and stopping us... instead of worrying about how many we put up on you.



are we still on the cheating thing ?????fuck.....I thought the running up of the score woulda been the hot topic now-a-days

haha apparently cheating is pulled out of peoples ass when their argument gets pwnt like when bigbadroy had to resolve to calling belichick belicheat. I'm sure he'd take Wade Phillips and Romo over Belichick and Brady though because they are classless cheaters.

haha apparently cheating is pulled out of peoples ass when their argument gets pwnt like when bigbadroy had to resolve to calling belichick belicheat. I'm sure he'd take Wade Phillips and Romo over Belichick and Brady though because they are classless cheaters.

it's not pulled out of anyone's ass. it's pulled right from new englands sidelines. i would take romo and wade over a bunch of cheaters. atleast are success is legit

our success is legit as well. we didnt cheat against your cowboys and we pummelled them. success also is championships not a good start in a shitty nfc.

our success is legit as well. we didnt cheat against your cowboys and we pummelled them. success also is championships not a good start in a shitty nfc.

yet the pats play in the worst division in football. so wandy,killa, how many pages you think this thread will go by time the season is over? my guess is 13 pages

Yes the pats play in the worst division in football but a terrible Bills team almost upset your precious Cowboys. Oh well we'll just focus on the rest of the season no need to argue we have different opinions and mine is Tom Brady MVP and Patriots 4th Superbowl of the decade.

fuk the pats!! fuk all new england teams lol

cheaters!!

Saying you hate the Pats and New England teams.... makes sense, you're apparently from New York.

Cheaters.... Fuck you, try something origonal.

It was reported on ESPN that Kraft is ashamed of his team because of the cheating and the complaints from other teams and coaches about the running up of the scores and cheap shots that have brought to his attention. Wow N.E. is so innocent yet their owner is ashamed and feels their championships are being tarnished.

So I'm listening to WEEI today, and they play a clip of Tom Brady being interviewed, and he says "As Mr. Kraft said to me, if they're complaining that we're scoring too many points, that's a good problem to have."

Hmmmmmmmmmm, weird... That sounds nothing like what you said.

So I'm listening to WEEI today, and they play a clip of Tom Brady being interviewed, and he says "As Mr. Kraft said to me, if they're complaining that we're scoring too many points, that's a good problem to have."

Hmmmmmmmmmm, weird... That sounds nothing like what you said.

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Ok, cool... makes sense

Rational debate is not your game. I bow out gracefully.

Ok, cool... makes sense

Rational debate is not your game. I bow out gracefully.

read the fucking thread before posting man. and don't comment on the vid lol

I've read the thread. Same tired arguement. When refuted with rational arguement, it's either cheating lines or "I hope someone takes a cheapshot" lines.

I just figure it's time to bow out now that I've realized you don't bring substance to the table and let the other guys keep arguing with you.

Have fun.

I've read the thread. Same tired arguement. When refuted with rational arguement, it's either cheating lines or "I hope someone takes a cheapshot" lines.

I just figure it's time to bow out now that I've realized you don't bring substance to the table and let the other guys keep arguing with you.

Have fun.

lol once again don't comment on the vid if you read the thread you would see a post by me saying "i luve getting you pats fans all riled up" after i posted that. as to the cheapshot remark, why don't you comment on the vid. is that vid enough substance brung to the table?

D.O > bigbadroy by Pats pwntership.

D.O > bigbadroy by Pats pwntership.

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pats r a bandwagon team

pats r a bandwagon team

Look at my location... It's not bandwagoning when they're your local team.

pats r a bandwagon team

You should of told me that when I watched every game when they were terrible. We are seemingly all from Massachusetts you clown.

doesn't really matter how GOOD the pats are........... in week 14 they will lose their FIRST game. Sointenly, Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk.

Hahaha Curleys the man but the Pats are great I am predicting Sunday 41-28 Patriots although obviously the Colts are superbowl champs. What a huge game.

look i provide video evidence to a patriot* cheapshot and you pussies just avoid it. :owned:

Not for nothing, but if you slow down a football play like that, you're removing the actual speed of the game. With that play at full speed, there's nothing to whine about* because it's just a guy hustling to the QB.

*While I say there would be nothing to whine about, we all know you would anyway.

You can take individual plays from EVERY team, slow them down and call them cheapshots.

Just don't forget your team's safety and his cheap tackling tactics caused the horsecollar tackle to be banned from the league.

Wasn't a cheap shot. Losman is back playing again its not a big deal at all. Football is football if a 300+ pound lineman is pushing full force against another big man he can't just stop right away. Vince accidentally fell into his leg on that and he was not suspended or anything or penalized. Fuck off Pats are the best. They will prove this again tomorrow with a big W over the Colts.

Not for nothing, but if you slow down a football play like that, you're removing the actual speed of the game. With that play at full speed, there's nothing to whine about* because it's just a guy hustling to the QB.

*While I say there would be nothing to whine about, we all know you would anyway.

You can take individual plays from EVERY team, slow them down and call them cheapshots.

Just don't forget your team's safety and his cheap tackling tactics caused the horsecollar tackle to be banned from the league.

i see killa is the only one out of you 3 pats fans who knows football. wilfork jumped into losman and threw his elbow into his knee. the horsecollar rule was legal until Roy broke T.O.'s leg. it's not even a rule in college. so that's a bad arguement.

Wasn't a cheap shot. Losman is back playing again its not a big deal at all. Football is football if a 300+ pound lineman is pushing full force against another big man he can't just stop right away. Vince accidentally fell into his leg on that and he was not suspended or anything or penalized. Fuck off Pats are the best. They will prove this again tomorrow with a big W over the Colts.

hahahaha take off the homer glasses

i see killa is the only one out of you 3 pats fans who knows football.

at least u realized i pwnt you numerous times. :sifone::sifone::sifone:

at least u realized i pwnt you numerous times. :sifone::sifone::sifone:

lol hey you know more than they do. plus i love that Rampage hl you made

WAR COLTS!!!

i see killa is the only one out of you 3 pats fans who knows football. wilfork jumped into losman and threw his elbow into his knee. the horsecollar rule was legal until Roy broke T.O.'s leg. it's not even a rule in college. so that's a bad arguement.

I love how instead of actually refuting my points (this was the ONLY one you even bothered to address) you either ignore it and post a video (or play the cheater card again) or now just say I don't know football.

I'm amused how you can try to infer anything about my football knowledge from about 5 or 6 posts that you couldn't refute anyway. I just want you to put yourself into the body of a 350 pound man, running at full speed to get to the QB, fighting past another 300 pound man, and stop yourself before you hit that QB. Sure slow motion is nice for hindsight arguements, but when you take out the real life speed and the massive size of these guys, then you can make of it whatever you want.

You're clearly a joke and a troll. Actually take two seconds and read your arguements and you'll realize (That's probably just a pipe dream) that you don't have much of an arguement and you're just trolling for a reaction. At least next time bring something more to the table.

I just feel bad for the Cowboys... Romo for nearly $70 million.
:suicide: if I was a 'Boys diehard.

WAR COLTS!!!

no disrespect to you Bluntbro but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right.

I just feel bad for the Cowboys... Romo for nearly $70 million.
:suicide: if I was a 'Boys diehard.

you don't think Romo is worth it?

you don't think Romo is worth it?



no one is worth it.

no one is worth it.

lol what are you talking about?

lol what are you talking about?



the Money....................... no one is worth that much to play a game NO ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Period.

Tom Brady is worth it but Tony Romo is not. Romo is a fuckin retard cmon. He boned up that play last year to end their season then he throws pick after pick against the Bills. Simply put the guy isnt that good. He can play around with shitty NFC teams but against the AFC he'll get tooled on. The guys a Romo.

Tom Brady is worth it but Tony Romo is not. Romo is a fuckin retard cmon. He boned up that play last year to end their season then he throws pick after pick against the Bills. Simply put the guy isnt that good. He can play around with shitty NFC teams but against the AFC he'll get tooled on. The guys a Romo.



I will repeat myself................ " NO ONE" Is worth that much to play a fucking game. not Brady, not Ben, not Homo, err I mean Romo. not Manning, not NO ONE.

you don't think Romo is worth it?

No, I don't.

It isn't that he is a bad QB, he is certainly very solid. It is the fact that you guys got FUCKED by waiting until mid-season to sign him. I honestly believe that RIGHT NOW is the worst time the franchise could of taken to sign him.

Previous to the season, everyone had high hopes, but a 6 or 7 year, $49 million dollar contract would of sufficed. I believe that he has played his best football in the first half of the season, and I would be very surprised if he kept up these statistics. Now, if he does keep up these stats and keep the team rolling, I guess I was wrong... I just think that by the end of the season, Romo will have faced a little bit more of reality.

That said, I have to disagree with Axeman. These players are worth a LOT more than their actual play may merit. These players help the league solidify billion dollar television contract, teams solidify million dollar sponsorships and bring millions of eyes to these networks every week. I think in a huge market, the QB of Dallas will produce a hell of a lot more than $67 million dollar revenue in the next 6 years.

Romo might be pretty good, but paying him in the vicinity of Brady, Manning and Palmer is crazy IMHO.

EDIT: LET'S GO PATRIOTS!!!

Romo making a truly clutch play:

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I was getting so nervous that those bogus interference calls were going to be too costly and be too hard to come but they held it together this week. What a good game.

No, I don't.

It isn't that he is a bad QB, he is certainly very solid. It is the fact that you guys got FUCKED by waiting until mid-season to sign him. I honestly believe that RIGHT NOW is the worst time the franchise could of taken to sign him.

Previous to the season, everyone had high hopes, but a 6 or 7 year, $49 million dollar contract would of sufficed. I believe that he has played his best football in the first half of the season, and I would be very surprised if he kept up these statistics. Now, if he does keep up these stats and keep the team rolling, I guess I was wrong... I just think that by the end of the season, Romo will have faced a little bit more of reality.

That said, I have to disagree with Axeman. These players are worth a LOT more than their actual play may merit. These players help the league solidify billion dollar television contract, teams solidify million dollar sponsorships and bring millions of eyes to these networks every week. I think in a huge market, the QB of Dallas will produce a hell of a lot more than $67 million dollar revenue in the next 6 years.

Romo might be pretty good, but paying him in the vicinity of Brady, Manning and Palmer is crazy IMHO.

EDIT: LET'S GO PATRIOTS!!!



ok I am glad someone disagrees with me, now IMHO why do you think the players help bring in the TV contracts ??? the contracts will be there with or without the players, the sponsorships will always be there with or without the players, and Billions of eyes watch the Networks with or without Football. if the players were making.... (Hypothetically) Brady was making 35 million over the next two years your gonna watch the game right ??? now say he is making 500,000 for the next two years, your still gonna watch right ??? so to close my argument up all I'm saying is these guys are not GOD or even close to it. People will watch football and bring in the Money for the networks and sponsers with or without these people making ungodly amounts of money to play a game. not to say the least that these guys get money for commercials, TV shows that they appear on and to say a few words for the like's of Nike, Reebok, Addidas, ect, ect, ect, ect.

If you pay for great players then sponsors are going to pay more, if your team is winning behind a guy like Brady your ticket prices will go up with little complaining and T.V. deals are more for a team like the Patriots compared to a team like the 49ers. Just like in baseball where the Sox have a big TV deal with NESN where as I'm sure the Devil Rays make little money. They did overpay for Romo but as sad as it is to say he could easily take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl to lose to an AFC team and the terrible NFC. War Patriots!

ok I am glad someone disagrees with me, now IMHO why do you think the players help bring in the TV contracts ??? the contracts will be there with or without the players, the sponsorships will always be there with or without the players, and Billions of eyes watch the Networks with or without Football. if the players were making.... (Hypothetically) Brady was making 35 million over the next two years your gonna watch the game right ??? now say he is making 500,000 for the next two years, your still gonna watch right ??? so to close my argument up all I'm saying is these guys are not GOD or even close to it. People will watch football and bring in the Money for the networks and sponsers with or without these people making ungodly amounts of money to play a game. not to say the least that these guys get money for commercials, TV shows that they appear on and to say a few words for the like's of Nike, Reebok, Addidas, ect, ect, ect, ect.

It's called market value. Your question is reaching.

Brady gets paid so much because he helps the franchise despite his large paycheck. If we didn't pay him this, another team would say "Wow, he can help us bring in giant revenue by winning". These players are absolutely worth it. Check out the Falcons, they don't have Mike Vick and their home games are being blacked out because noone is buying tickets. Exactly..

I could continue on and on about how these guys are easily worth it to these franchises, but it would be redundant considering the fact it is obvious.
The NFL is the highest revenue league by far in the U.S. and they actually get paid an average of 1/2 a million dolllars less than your average EPL Futbol player. If you don't think Tom Brady is worth $10 million to the Patriots a year, you are insane. Tickets, merchandise, TV ratings etc. etc.

ok I am glad someone disagrees with me, now IMHO why do you think the players help bring in the TV contracts ??? the contracts will be there with or without the players, the sponsorships will always be there with or without the players, and Billions of eyes watch the Networks with or without Football. if the players were making.... (Hypothetically) Brady was making 35 million over the next two years your gonna watch the game right ??? now say he is making 500,000 for the next two years, your still gonna watch right ??? so to close my argument up all I'm saying is these guys are not GOD or even close to it. People will watch football and bring in the Money for the networks and sponsers with or without these people making ungodly amounts of money to play a game. not to say the least that these guys get money for commercials, TV shows that they appear on and to say a few words for the like's of Nike, Reebok, Addidas, ect, ect, ect, ect.

Plus you have the matter of, if the league is brining in this huge amount of money, it would basically end up in the pocket of the guys that own these teams. Eventually the unions would say.... these players are putting their bodies on the line for this league, and they aren't even making a % of what these owners were getting.

I agree with what your getting at, that athletes are overpaid for playing a game, and that no one is really worth 67 million dollars, or will they ever accomplish 67 million dollars worth of work. Unfortunately, as MMAsterkillah brought up, fair market value for the guys that do put their bodies on the line for this game that rakes in so much money is to pay them boat loads of money.

At the end of the day I'd rather see the athletes making it, who are putting their bodies on the line than some rich exec. That's the thing we've sort of run into with the UFC, and guys getting paid 3 and 3 and no union in sight to mention that these guys are getting hosed.

No, I don't.

It isn't that he is a bad QB, he is certainly very solid. It is the fact that you guys got FUCKED by waiting until mid-season to sign him. I honestly believe that RIGHT NOW is the worst time the franchise could of taken to sign him.

Previous to the season, everyone had high hopes, but a 6 or 7 year, $49 million dollar contract would of sufficed. I believe that he has played his best football in the first half of the season, and I would be very surprised if he kept up these statistics. Now, if he does keep up these stats and keep the team rolling, I guess I was wrong... I just think that by the end of the season, Romo will have faced a little bit more of reality.

That said, I have to disagree with Axeman. These players are worth a LOT more than their actual play may merit. These players help the league solidify billion dollar television contract, teams solidify million dollar sponsorships and bring millions of eyes to these networks every week. I think in a huge market, the QB of Dallas will produce a hell of a lot more than $67 million dollar revenue in the next 6 years.

Romo might be pretty good, but paying him in the vicinity of Brady, Manning and Palmer is crazy IMHO.
EDIT: LET'S GO PATRIOTS!!!

what qbs do you think are better than Romo other than the ones in bold?

what qbs do you think are better than Romo other than the ones in bold?

That's not really my point, and that is a very tough question that I'm not even going to take my time to answer at this point. He got paid to be a franchise player, when I don't think he is one... whether other teams overpaid for their QBs should be irrelevant to your Cowboys' front office.

It's called market value. Your question is reaching.

Brady gets paid so much because he helps the franchise despite his large paycheck. If we didn't pay him this, another team would say "Wow, he can help us bring in giant revenue by winning". These players are absolutely worth it. Check out the Falcons, they don't have Mike Vick and their home games are being blacked out because noone is buying tickets. Exactly..

I could continue on and on about how these guys are easily worth it to these franchises, but it would be redundant considering the fact it is obvious.
The NFL is the highest revenue league by far in the U.S. and they actually get paid an average of 1/2 a million dolllars less than your average EPL Futbol player. If you don't think Tom Brady is worth $10 million to the Patriots a year, you are insane. Tickets, merchandise, TV ratings etc. etc.



Bro, my Question is not reaching, it's a cold hard fact, even if these guys weren't making all the money that they do there still would be football. atleast D.O understands what I am saying. ALL I'm saying is that these guys do not need to make that much money to bring in the fans , the fans will come to the stadiums and spend their money to watch their Hero's in profesional sports, no if"s and's or Butt's. period. if Brady was making 500,000 the people would still flock in to see him play.

That's not really my point, and that is a very tough question that I'm not even going to take my time to answer at this point. He got paid to be a franchise player, when I don't think he is one... whether other teams overpaid for their QBs should be irrelevant to your Cowboys' front office.

is that from your knowledge of all the great patriot qbs?..... o wait

is that from your knowledge of all the great patriot qbs?..... o wait

Yeah, I have no absolutely no talent in scouting/evaluation of players except Patriots.

You suck bigbadroy, you ask pointless shit and continue with your garbage when you don't really contribute to the thread in a good way. Go make a thread about your beloved Cowboys where we can discuss all the Cowboys financial issues and questions for next season.

Yeah, I have no absolutely no talent in scouting/evaluation of players except Patriots.

You suck bigbadroy, you ask pointless shit and continue with your garbage when you don't really contribute to the thread in a good way. Go make a thread about your beloved Cowboys where we can discuss all the Cowboys financial issues and questions for next season.

you said he doesn't deserve top qb money like brady,peyton and palmer. so i asked well other than those qbs who do you think is better than Romo. than you didn't answer but give your opinion that you don't think he's a franchise qb with no reasons.

1. Brady
2. Manning


3. Palmer

4. Roethlisberger
5. Favre
6. Bulger ( great with Martz )
7. Romo

In the future I am also expecting Vince Young and Phillip Rivers to be better than Romo. But Brady cheats right Bigbadroy? He should probably be put behind Romo because of this. If you don't like Pats :stfu: and GTFO

1. Brady
2. Manning


3. Palmer

4. Roethlisberger
5. Favre
6. Bulger ( great with Martz )
7. Romo

In the future I am also expecting Vince Young and Phillip Rivers to be better than Romo. But Brady cheats right Bigbadroy? He should probably be put behind Romo because of this. If you don't like Pats :stfu: and GTFO

wrong..........

this to be correct.

Brady
Manning
Big Ben Roethlisberger
Favre
Palmer
Romo

wrong..........

this to be correct.

Brady
Manning
Big Ben Roethlisberger
Favre
Palmer
Romo

that looks about right except Romo has better numbers than farve this year

that looks about right except Romo has better numbers than farve this year

yup you are absolutly right, but Favre has been in the league far too long and Romo is just starting out. give your Boy another year or two and I would place him up there even further

yup you are absolutly right, but Favre has been in the league far too long and Romo is just starting out. give your Boy another year or two and I would place him up there even further

i was talking about qbs this season but i hear ya. hey axe you see harrison and hines lay out ed Reed last night?

you said he doesn't deserve top qb money like brady,peyton and palmer. so i asked well other than those qbs who do you think is better than Romo. than you didn't answer but give your opinion that you don't think he's a franchise qb with no reasons.

I said he doesn't deserve to be paid like them, correct. He doesn't.

You asked who else is better, and I don't really care... but those 3 guys are for sure. I wouldn't pay him anywhere near what I paid those 3 guys. Besides those 3 guys, I don't see anyone right now who I would sign to a large, long-term contract like that.

I don't need to analyze him for you, you can have your opinion, I'll have mine... but he doesn't have much potential (due to physical capabilities) and they paid him at the wrong time.

I said he doesn't deserve to be paid like them, correct. He doesn't.

You asked who else is better, and I don't really care... but those 3 guys are for sure. I wouldn't pay him anywhere near what I paid those 3 guys. Besides those 3 guys, I don't see anyone right now who I would sign to a large, long-term contract like that.

I don't need to analyze him for you, you can have your opinion, I'll have mine... but he doesn't have much potential (due to physical capabilities) and they paid him at the wrong time.

you don't even know what the fuck your talking bout. your just going off of the big names you hear on tv. manning and brady, i'll give you those but palmer is overrated and hasn't been the same since his injury. Romo went 6-4 in his 1st season and a large part of the 4 losses was our defense giving up over 30 points a game in december. had seattle beat in the playoffs and dropped the hold(which he shouldn't have been doing being the starting qb) that ended in a loss. the media and everybody thinks he won't be able to get over it yet he turns around and has his team at 7-1 in his 1st year starting. he is on pace for 40 tds and over 4,000 yards. now you tell me why he doesn't deserve franchise qb money?

you don't even know what the fuck your talking bout. your just going off of the big names you hear on tv. manning and brady, i'll give you those but palmer is overrated and hasn't been the same since his injury. Romo went 6-4 in his 1st season and a large part of the 4 losses was our defense giving up over 30 points a game in december. had seattle beat in the playoffs and dropped the hold(which he shouldn't have been doing being the starting qb) that ended in a loss. the media and everybody thinks he won't be able to get over it yet he turns around and has his team at 7-1 in his 1st year starting. he is on pace for 40 tds and over 4,000 yards. now you tell me why he doesn't deserve franchise qb money?

I actually like Romo. I think he's a solid young QB. However I think a big question for him is finishing. He didn't even play a complete season last year, and he clearly wore down and his performance suffered down the stretch. (This is one of the reasons I think pro bowl voting comes WAY too early.)

If anything though, it is a matter of, you need to do it over a longer period of time than half the games he played in last year and a little over half a season this year. I know he's a restricted FA, but really, they aren't letting him go anywhere. Hey, good on him for getting the deal (which is slightly larger than a more proven Bulger got) but to me it was like they waited until he reached his peak value this season, and then paid him. They'd have saved about 20 million if they did it last offseason, and if they waited until this offseason, they'd have at least seen him go 16 plus games.

I actually like Romo. I think he's a solid young QB. However I think a big question for him is finishing. He didn't even play a complete season last year, and he clearly wore down and his performance suffered down the stretch. (This is one of the reasons I think pro bowl voting comes WAY too early.)

If anything though, it is a matter of, you need to do it over a longer period of time than half the games he played in last year and a little over half a season this year. I know he's a restricted FA, but really, they aren't letting him go anywhere. Hey, good on him for getting the deal (which is slightly larger than a more proven Bulger got) but to me it was like they waited until he reached his peak value this season, and then paid him. They'd have saved about 20 million if they did it last offseason, and if they waited until this offseason, they'd have at least seen him go 16 plus games. i don't think jerry jones wanted to wait till the end of the season incase Romo got away. i think jerry wanted to show Romo that he trusts him. we have been through 8 different qbs since troy left(9 including Romo who's jersey number is #9 lol) and jerry has seen enough to not go looking for #10. idk i think he's quickly becoming a top qb in the league and will be for a lil while. were gonna find out this year if he is a finisher or not. hopefully he is a finisher lol

If they wanted to keep him, there was a 0% chance he could leave. He's a restricted FA, which means they can match any offer he'd be tendered.

With the last few posts by bigbadroy I realize he isn't a very knowledgable football fan but is just trying to troll about the Pats and overrates Rony Tomo. What was it 6 picks against the Bills?

you don't even know what the fuck your talking bout. your just going off of the big names you hear on tv. manning and brady, i'll give you those but palmer is overrated and hasn't been the same since his injury. Romo went 6-4 in his 1st season and a large part of the 4 losses was our defense giving up over 30 points a game in december. had seattle beat in the playoffs and dropped the hold(which he shouldn't have been doing being the starting qb) that ended in a loss. the media and everybody thinks he won't be able to get over it yet he turns around and has his team at 7-1 in his 1st year starting. he is on pace for 40 tds and over 4,000 yards. now you tell me why he doesn't deserve franchise qb money?

I'm done with you, you are an idiot.
I know more football in my sack than you will ever know and everyone who actually knows me, knows I know football.

Palmer hasn't been the same since the injury? No shit, but he still deserved the contract when it was signed and he showed that when healthy he is top 3 QB. This year CIN is fucked, so whatever... but I'd take Palmer over Romo 8 days a week.

Go ahead, just look at the stats and go sign guys with good stats... if only being a GM were that easy, right?
Look at Daunte Culpepper, is he way worse now than he used to be? I don't think so. I mean he isn't the same, but he certainly isn't THAT different of a player.
He probably sucks because A) He has different coaching with different schemes B) Different talent around him C) Different scenario. Put Culpepper in Dallas, and will be be as good as Romo? No, certaily not. But having T.O., 2 starting caliber RBs, a great TE, a strong line etc. is a reason.

Whatever, its a done deal... you can enjoy it for years to come.

With the last few posts by bigbadroy I realize he isn't a very knowledgable football fan but is just trying to troll about the Pats and overrates Rony Tomo. What was it 6 picks against the Bills?

ok mr. "pats>all" you don't bring anything to the discussion. 5 picks and 1 fumble lost yet he put us in position to win the game , which we did.

I'm done with you, you are an idiot.
I know more football in my sack than you will ever know and everyone who actually knows me, knows I know football.

Palmer hasn't been the same since the injury? No shit, but he still deserved the contract when it was signed and he showed that when healthy he is top 3 QB. This year CIN is fucked, so whatever... but I'd take Palmer over Romo 8 days a week.

Go ahead, just look at the stats and go sign guys with good stats... if only being a GM were that easy, right?
Look at Daunte Culpepper, is he way worse now than he used to be? I don't think so. I mean he isn't the same, but he certainly isn't THAT different of a player.
He probably sucks because A) He has different coaching with different schemes B) Different talent around him C) Different scenario. Put Culpepper in Dallas, and will be be as good as Romo? No, certaily not. But having T.O., 2 starting caliber RBs, a great TE, a strong line etc. is a reason.
Whatever, its a done deal... you can enjoy it for years to come.

peyton manning has 2 probowl recievers a probowl tightend a great rb and a great o-line. palmer has 2 probowl wrs, a good rb and a decent oline. so are you saying it's because of all the talent these qbs around them they are also overrated? what's your point here? you seem like you judge a qb in comparison to Tom Brady which isn't the best way to judge a qb. I put brady in a class with only Joe montana and i believe when his career is over Brady will be the greatest qb to ever play the game. so if that's your thinking your not gonna see too many good/great qbs

peyton manning has 2 probowl recievers a probowl tightend a great rb and a great o-line. palmer has 2 probowl wrs, a good rb and a decent oline. so are you saying it's because of all the talent these qbs around them they are also overrated? what's your point here? you seem like you judge a qb in comparison to Tom Brady which isn't the best way to judge a qb. I put brady in a class with only Joe montana and i believe when his career is over Brady will be the greatest qb to ever play the game. so if that's your thinking your not gonna see too many good/great qbs

Peyton Manning led his team in College and proved to be the real deal. Peyton Manning is 6'6" prototypical QB with a much stronger arm than Romo. Peyton Manning is far more technically sound as well. Please don't compare them, and I can't stand Peyton.

Carson Palmer won the Heisman trophy while Romo was at Eastern Illinois, and Palmer probably has the strongest arm in the NFL (at least top 3). His mechanics have been fine tuned and he is also 6'5 and thick as fuck. Romo does have Football IQ over Palmer which is evident whenever you watch either guy play, but Palmer has the slim chance to be an all-time great (especially before the injury) because of his physical attributes.

I don't base all QB's on Tom Brady, but I am very skeptical about handing out Tom Brady money to someone who doesn't merit it. If you are getting GUARANTEED $31 million from me, than I better be sure as hell convinced that even if you DON'T have all these weapons you can manage and win a football game.

You have to remember, it isn't these guys job to just retain these players for whatever the guy wants. It is their job to make sure they are in position to improve their teams over long periods of time. If you are happy as a Cowboys fan with the deal, all power to you, but financially it was not handled in the best interests of the organization.

I don't think I can expand upon this any more (well I could, but I'm wasting my time).
I think Romo is a serviceable player and certainly a quality starter, but all comparisons to all-time greats like Brett Favre and the immediate leap to being paid like the game's best has me very skeptical of the Dallas Cowboys front offices' tactics.

EDIT: and just so you don'y say I'm just a cowboys hater, I think Marion Barber was the best running back on the Univesity of Minnesota in the past few years, and I think he is one of the better backs in the NFL due to his intensity and intangibles.

i was talking about qbs this season but i hear ya. hey axe you see harrison and hines lay out ed Reed last night?

Dude, I was laughing my ASS off, really gave him a good shot.

i was talking about qbs this season but i hear ya. hey axe you see harrison and hines lay out ed Reed last night?

I know what you were saying. the Only reason i put Favre ahead of your boy is cause he's Farve. #'s really don't mean squat to him(so he says).

you don't even know what the fuck your talking bout. your just going off of the big names you hear on tv. manning and brady, i'll give you those but palmer is overrated and hasn't been the same since his injury. Romo went 6-4 in his 1st season and a large part of the 4 losses was our defense giving up over 30 points a game in december. had seattle beat in the playoffs and dropped the hold(which he shouldn't have been doing being the starting qb) that ended in a loss. the media and everybody thinks he won't be able to get over it yet he turns around and has his team at 7-1 in his 1st year starting. he is on pace for 40 tds and over 4,000 yards. now you tell me why he doesn't deserve franchise qb money?



I have to agree with ya on the Palmer thing.

With the last few posts by bigbadroy I realize he isn't a very knowledgable football fan but is just trying to troll about the Pats and overrates Rony Tomo. What was it 6 picks against the Bills?



everyone has a bad game, even your precious Brady has bad games
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Not 6 pick games against the Bills. Maybe Brady has had a bad game or two throwing to bums like Reche Caldwell but with this receiving core I don't see him struggling at all.

Not 6 pick games against the Bills. Maybe Brady has had a bad game or two throwing to bums like Reche Caldwell but with this receiving core I don't see him struggling at all.


I totally agree, Brady had shit WR's for like ever. now that he has some good ones he's like unstoppable, till week 14 at least.

MMAsterkillah why for you do that??? you gonna do it with these two also ???

dont worry it doesnt affect ur post count... just easier to read

Not 6 pick games against the Bills. Maybe Brady has had a bad game or two throwing to bums like Reche Caldwell but with this receiving core I don't see him struggling at all.

you do realize this is his 1st full season right? not to mention the fact he still put us in position to win the game........which we did

I wouldn't be playing the "1st full season" card. Not after you were saying he deserves to be paid as a franchise QB. Stick to the put them in position to win the game card. It's a much more sound arguement.

dont worry it doesnt affect ur post count... just easier to read



I'm not really worried about post count, I was just wondering why you combined them, now I understand.

I'm not really worried about post count, I was just wondering why you combined them, now I understand.

Cool man, my bad.

I do it to tidy up some of the threads if it has absolutely no affect on the content.

Cool man, my bad.

I do it to tidy up some of the threads if it has absolutely no affect on the content.




yeah I understand, your doing your job as Moderator and I can respect that.

Bye Week and things are looking great.

We would also have the 4th pick in the NFL draft if the season ended today, and the Niners seem to be in a downward spiral heading into tonight's game against the Seahawks.

Did you happen to read Bill Simmon's article this week? It's perfect. You should check it out.

Also in his picks in the side column, He picked The Patriots (-22) over Bye Week. I had a good laugh at that.

Did you happen to read Bill Simmon's article this week? It's perfect. You should check it out.

Also in his picks in the side column, He picked The Patriots (-22) over Bye Week. I had a good laugh at that.

No, I haven't seen it, I'll probably go read it now so thanks for the heads up. The Sports guy is certainly entertaining.
Anyways, check out my post about Manning not being clutch in the "Peyton Manning" thread, it basically describes what sets Brady apart.

can anyone stop Tomzilla? lol
http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/tomzilla.htm

can anyone stop Tomzilla? lol
http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/tomzilla.htm

lol that's hilarious

good post. repped

lol that's hilarious

good post. repped

ive watched it several times already and can't stop laughing. joe gibbs screams like a girl lol brady eats Romo and T.O. just ditches him lol

lmfao, thats some funny shit, notice there was no Steelers in there ??? guess that means that they will stop Tomzilla.

Pats will crush the Steel Curtain. Too many offensive weapons for the Steelers to cover.

In another blowout the Pats beat the Bills 56-10. Moss had 4 td's in the first half. Adalius Thomas put down 2.5 sacks and Ellis Hobbs scored a defensive TD. Next Week the Pats will go to trial with the ESPN gang for running up the score on the Philadelphia Eagles. War Bradefuck MVP

Explanation for the average performance: My friend "Bad Luck" Tommy was at the game. His first Pats game in as long as I can remember. I called him in the 3rd quarter (actually I had Wandy4Life do it) and told him to leave the game. He didn't so I am just happy we escaped with a victory.

We always laugh at the movie Celtics Pride when they tell the guy to leave because the Celts start stinking it up once he arrives.

On a serious note, though... I was very surprised with the way Feeley played and Belichick was truly outcoached last night, which barely ever happens. Andy Reid ran a spread offense and kept defensive backs off balance and the O-Line gave Feeley time to sit back and deliver passes. I really hope our secondary can step it up in the coming games, especially CB Ellis Hobbs and S Rodney Harrison, both who have been struggling in coverage.